RebelR

If you like windows and don't want to change then stay PC. If you are up for a change, and just want things to work simply, try Mac. I have found that quite a few people that heckled Mac owners for years have tried it and liked it. I wouldn't consider myself very tech savvy, and I know people that are, that find Mac restrictive. But for the rest of us who just want to fire up the laptop in the morning and work without issues, Mac is great.

It's funny, as people are talking about viruses, I have a Macbook (used Mac since 1995) my partner has an HP PC. Both purchased at the same time. His has already been back once for repair, and right now is being restored for having a virus. Mine has never had an issue. He heckles me all the time "ooh.. I guess the mighty Mac doesn't have that problem" I just smile and say "guess not" I also have a 10 yr old Emac at home that has never once had a problem other than having to upgrade RAM.

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tony286

I must be special I have never gotten a virus on a windows box. The reason macs dont get viruses is not because they are special its because there arent enough of them if your goal is to spread something. But their numbers keep climbing you will see more and more.

Colmike9

Viruses get on them, but don't run since they're meant for Windows. If you can hack Linux, you can hack a Mac..

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helterskelter808

It's not just because there are less Macs that there are less viruses, but also because OSX is more secure, presumably in large part because it's based on the (Mach) Unix kernel. Also most malware is probably just script kiddies making variations of existing (Windows) 'viruses'.

Macs do get 'viruses' (trojans/malware) though, which is why Apple dropped their claim that Macs are virus free.

Colmike9

The first 'virus' that was on Macs besides isolated incidents was when I was working there and they downgraded it to technically 'just a script in iTunes' but then more came along and they eventually dropped that claim

Messing with other Macs on a network is easy, too, with sudo chmod 775 / and a few other commands

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candyflip

I'm having a garage sale and just sold an 2009 21'' iMac for $650 - guy didn't even try to talk me down. Might come back for the $500 2008 Macbook Pro.

Both of these have been sitting collecting dust. Was suprised to see how much people were buying and selling them for on Craigslist.

Gotta like a machine that holds keeps some value. Even if it's just perceived value to the buyer.

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mattyboy

Ive used adobe premier on pc for years. How is it on a mac?

Sunny Day

Once you go MAC, you never go back

Oh where have you heard a similar quote?

I totally love my MACs. As i said, there are a couple of programs no MAC guy has realized he'd make money, by creating a MAC program similar to the Windows equivalent. I even talked to a guy who did a Windows program, he was "what's MAC?"

I'm not even asking for a free copy. I just need a working program you'll make millions off of and all you can say say is "Huh." Even begged a MAC software specialist.

Sunny Day

Why is it my Windows Office QuickBooks 97 works better than any newer Windows version or ANY MAC version?
No matter what QB says, you can't upgrade. I worked for a CPA firm, we had to have every version of QB on our computer to do year-end reports/taxes, as QB will only recognize a specific issue of QB.
QB for MAC, total joke.

Business opportunity. Write some great MAC programs.

2MuchMark

I only play with premiere and am no way any kind of a power user. It seems to work well though.

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SmutHammer

Not true, I don't use apple products, but when I chat with people about shooting video's I use yahoo messinger, if they are using an apple product photosharing, and transferring files doesn't work. and sending these things through email is a headache, considering if you run an add looking for guys to shoot, you get tons of replies. you may only use one or two of them. So I always tell them msg me later using a Pc computer "when having so many replies you have to go with the easiest way possible" It's kinda funny, I seen a commercial on Tv that says people with iphones get laid more. Not here they don't....lol

other than that, and flash, I don't know of anymore problems, but like I said, I don't use apple products, So I wouldn't know.

qwe

played with mac at friends house not sure what the hype is all about... only thing I liked is screen quality but still sucks compare to dell 30s

L-Pink

I've got a mac pro for work and an imac for web use. Love it and it looks ok in my living room.

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Sunny Day

Had to wake up in the middle of the night, drive 60 miles, as my son got a Windows virus He had a term paper due the next morning, for his masters degree. Of course you can't download an upgrade to any antivirus program. as they know that you'll do that. So you have to use a CD, DVD or flash with a clean copy of the antivirus to clean the machine.
Mac & Linux may someday get viruses and will quickly take care of the problem. Windows is too busy trying to sell me Office Jan 2012, oh wait, Office Feb 2012, oh wait, Office March 2012....... oh wait, Office April 2012.

Redrob

Mac = expensive pc with 1/3 the software at 2x the $$.

Sunny Day

I have to explain to the Queen of Garage Sales what Macs look like. (She's to busy with crap). Now I know where to get an iMac. Having a Homer DUH moment. And when I say Queen of Garage Sales, I'm surprised she hasn't come home with a Ferrari for a couple hundred dollars.

NETbilling

That is one of the reasons why Macs run so well. The hardware is specifically designed, put together and tweaked to run with the OS and visa versa. I see it everyday at NETbilling, where we have more than 50 Windows PCs and Macs running in our office.

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johnnyloadproductions

I run mac and pc.

One thing that was really upsetting was upgrading from "snow leopard" to "Lion" and breaking a lot of the programs, including parallels that had windows running.
The iCal (calendar) integration in with mountain lion is priceless.

MPGdevil

If it is because you are tired of Windows have you tried Ubuntu or Linux Mint?
I only tried Mint briefly but it looked pretty nice.

DamianJ

It's Mac. Not MAC. When you capitalise it it changes the meaning very specifically, viz:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address

DamianJ

Please post comparative hardware that is 1/2 the cost.

NickBaer

Or a MacMini for half the price - add your own monitor and keyboard.

An HDMI monitor for under $200.

New MacMinis you can upgrade RAM yourself, without secret tools.

MPGdevil

Mac Pro (12-core)

CPU: Two 3.06GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon
Memory: 64GB (8x8GB) 1333MHz DDR3 ECC R-DIMM SDRAM
Harddrive 1: 512GB solid-state drive
Harddrive 2: 1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
Display: Apple LED Cinema Display (27" flat panel)

Total: $10,348.00

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PC (12-core)

Motherboard: EVGA Classified SR-2 270-WS-W555-A2 LGA 1366 Intel 5520 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HPTX - $430.00
CPU: 2 x Intel Xeon X5675 Westmere-EP 3.06GHz LGA 1366 95W Six-Core Server Processor - $2875
Memory: CORSAIR Vengeance 64GB (8 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 - $440.00
Harddrive 1: OCZ Vertex 4 VTX4-25SAT3-512G 2.5" 512GB SATA III MLC SSD - $500.00
Harddrive 2: Western Digital VelociRaptor WD1000DHTZ 1TB 10000 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" - $270.00
Graphics: SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready - $160
Display: Dell UltraSharp U2711 Black 27" HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor with PremierColor - $850.00
PSU: SILVERSTONE ST1500 1500W ATX 12V 2.3 & EPS 12V SLI Ready 80 PLUS - $300.00
Case: COOLER MASTER COSMOS II RC-1200-KKN1 Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - $320.00

Total: $6145.00

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Not exactly half the price but still $4000 saved.
OR you could build a pc which is actually up to date and still save $1500.


PC Sandy Bridge (16-core)

Motherboard: EVGA Classified SR-X 270-SE-W888-KR LGA 2011 Intel C606 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HPTX - $650.00
CPU: 2 x Intel Xeon E5-2690 Sandy Bridge-EP 2.9GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 2011 135W 8-Core Server Processor - $4080.00
Memory: Kingston 64GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 ECC Registered Server Memory - $750.00
Harddrive 1: OCZ Vertex 4 VTX4-25SAT3-512G 2.5" 512GB SATA III MLC Internal SSD - $500.00
Harddrive 2: Western Digital VelociRaptor WD1000DHTZ 1TB 10000 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" - $270.00
Graphics: EVGA GeForce GTX 680 Classified 4GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support - $660.00
Display: Dell UltraSharp U3011 30" LCD Monitor - $1220.00
PSU: SILVERSTONE ST1500 1500W ATX 12V 2.3 & EPS 12V SLI Ready 80 PLUS - $300.00
Case: COOLER MASTER COSMOS II RC-1200-KKN1 Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - $320.00


Total: $8750.00

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The Apple store hardware prices are such a ripoff.
Some people think OSX is worth that price though. Each to his own.

DamianJ

So, if you don't buy the RAM from apple (as no one would) and you get comparable montiros, and if you buy a premade PC from Dell rather than building it yourself, how does it work out then?

Oh yeah, the same.

Nice one for trying though.

helterskelter808

It's not his fault Apple won't allow you to build your own. 2x the price was an obvious exaggeration to make a point, but it turns out you're paying 1.7x the price. Pat yourself on the back.

2MuchMark

You may have just made our point. I'm going on 4 years now with my iMac and there's no reason to change. Also, the hardware alone should not be the only deciding factor. Other factors could be:

- Windows is just not that good of an operating system anymore.

- Technical problems require you to make many phone calls or do lots of digging to get to the actual manufacturer.

- Most items in PC's are OEM, meaning the company you bought the machine from will not support you. You have to go to find the company of the specific faulty item to get support.

- Windows too is the OEM version, meaning Microsoft will not provide you with support unless you pay for it. (Crazy!)

Of course you could go with a brand name like HP and save money buying it from Best Buy, but guess what. They almost always come loaded-down with dozens of pre loaded programs that all load on boot and all sit in ram and slow down your brand new "fast" machine. Don't think Best Buy or HP will help you remove all that shit either.

Mac users aren't trying to beat you up over this issue. I have been a PC/Windows guy forever. Mac for the money is simply better. Mac's :

- Are fast
- Work perfectly. I mean perfectly. I really mean perfect-leeeee.
- Have great, fast, really really fast, support from Apple. 1 Call. 1 Website. Fast.
- Seem to have better designed software. You can drag and drop anything to anything almost.
- Make networking a snap.
- Talk to my other devices. My Macs talk to my iphone and my apple TV. I can share music with Tracy. I can start a movie on my mac, continue watching on my iphone, and finish watching on Apple TV. I can add a new appointment in my calendar and it updates my iphone calendar instantly, wirelessly, effortlessly.

How easy Macs are to use is years ahead of how each a windows pc is to use.

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Why would they though? It wouldn't save the consumer much money, but it would cost Apple alot more in support. Plus quality control would drop too.

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Once you go mac, you never go back.

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If you don't have a Mac you're either:

1. Too old
2. Too broke
3. Mentally retarded
4. DVTimes

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Depends on what you plan on using it for, if it is just to surf the net, save your money. If it is for editing...it is a must have

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SmutHammer

I don't see one thing that mac can do better than a Pc.

I have zero, ummm wait? yup ZERO problems with my built Pc.

RebelR

I used to be the support staff for my parents (who are not tech savvy at all, Mom barely knows where the power button is and loses the cursor frequently) and had to field the weekly tech questions about why their computer does this, or wont do that, or getting some weird error message, or Dad tried to install some program and now something won't work. So when it came time for them to buy a new computer, I suggested that they go with a Mac. The only time I get questions now are for Printer/ISP issues. It's saved me a lot of time, and their Mac is now 6 years old and it's basically for surfing the net, skyping and printing photos.

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I bought a Dell years ago and right after I got all my stuff loaded on it, the fan on the graphics board start making an annoying ticking noise, probably from a bad bearing. I called Dell about it and they told me I had to return the entire computer to get it fixed.

They turned into a shit bag company. The sales guys are all English speaking Americans but the after sale guys are anything but. You have to pay a premium to get US customer care. No thanks! I'm done with PC's.

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MPGdevil

I doubt everyone buy the RAM elsewhere. I'd be surprised if it is even 20% of the ibuyers know they are being fooled. The whole Apple idea is you buy a full package that just works.

Not sure what you mean by comparable monitors. In my sample I simply picked a monitor equal to the Apple Cinema Display.

About premade PC's only my very first was premade. I have built my own computers for about 10 years now. It is not necessarily cheaper but I get the quality I am after, and a PC that is not preinstalled with all sorts of crap.

Not that I would ever buy one, but just for the fun of it I tried to configure a HP workstation, to see what I would be able to have for the same price as the Mac Pro listed in my other post.






With the 20% eCoupon code the total price is $10,749 vs $10,348 for the Mac Pro.

A quick compare:

Mac: 2 x 3.06GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon (12 cores)
HP: 2 x Intel Xeon E5-2650 20M Cache, 2.00 GHz (16 cores)
Difference: New-gen 16-core Xeon cpu vs old 12-core

Mac: 64GB of DDR3-1333 SDRAM (8x8)
HP: 128GB of DDR3-1600 SDRAM (16x8GB)
Difference: Double up on memory

Mac: 512GB solid-state drive + 1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s hard drive
HP: 300GB solid state drive + 2 x 600GB 15k RPM SAS
Difference: Smaller SSD but better 2nd drives

Mac: ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
HP: NVIDIA Quadro 5000 2.5GB
Difference: Dated ATI card vs proffessional high-end 3D card (card is $1750 at Newegg)

Mac: Apple LED Cinema Display (27" flat panel)
HP: HP Promo ZR30w 30-inch S-IPS LCD Monitor
A tad bigger screen but no real difference.


One can do their your own conclution, but I am sure most not wearing iGlasses can see Apple do their utmost to take peoples money.

MPGdevil

Really? Most say Windows 7 is the best version MS made so far. Haven't been much bad press about Windows 7.

- Fast as in faster than better PC hardware?

- Perfect-leeeee?









No.
No problems.
Perfect-leeeee Macs.

There are problems with Apple products just as with PC's.
Apple probably have a advantage over discount PCs sold but they are definitely not perfect. For the same money you can build your own quality machine - with much better specs.

2MuchMark

In my personal opinion, Mac OS/X is better than Windows. It starts faster, is much more reliable, never crashes. I never ever get a "blue screen of death".

I still use Windows 7 on my PC and on our Accounting mac machine (running Parallels). Windows 7 is excellent, I agree. I still think OS/X is better. I am speaking from experience as I use both.


No, just Fast. You can't compare hardware speeds because the hardware is not the same. The only true way to compare is if all hardware is exactly the same.




No, I said runs PERFECTLY (FOR ME). I can't speak for others. Of course there will always be issues with any hardware and software. What I am saying is that I have virtually no problems with mine. The only problem I had was getting 2 iMac27's to work as a single desktop. A single phone call to Apple had the solution for me in less than 5 minutes. *That* is service, and that is peace of mind.

No. No problems for me. MEEEEEE. I am speaking for myself, MPGdevil. Do you own a Mac? Are you speaking from experience? I have both PC's and Macs.

Alright. You are losing out on a product that you might actually like by closing your mind off to it. Thats too bad.

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helterskelter808

Presumably the "great, fast, really really fast, support from Apple" is just people phoning up to say how their Macs are working perfect-leeeeee.

2MuchMark

I'm sure you're right. Better stick with a PC then.

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Fair enough. Operating system is a matter of prefference. I have not tried OSX so I can't compare. In your previous post you just gave the impression that Windows is no longer a good OS, and by that I disagree. Not saying there are no better alternatives, but it gets the job done.
Last time I experienced a BSOD was using Windows 2000 at school, and maybe once or twice with Windows XP. No problems with either Vista or Windows 7 so far.


"Mac for the money is simply better." were your words.
Sure it may be fast. If I was to use my computer for 3D/CAD or any heavy hardware dependent work, I would choose to build my own PC though with newer and better (faster) cpu, memory and graphics for the same price.
You should be able to compare render times between the two systems.
For most daily work you would not notice any difference though.


Glad to hear you have no issues with your Mac. It just sounded like you were generalising.
There are more PC users with problems compared to Mac because the number of users are about 9:1. Having PC problems isn't necessarily a reason to chose Mac though.

No I do not own a Mac and have not tried OSX. I might like it but I doubt I will ever end up with one. Partly because of their prices (I think they screw over their customers), and partly because I have always loved to build my own systems. Every summer I upgrade my PC with new hardware, so I need the flexibility.


Maybe. Apple have to lower their prices to begin with though.

I have owned both the first iPad and iPhone3 GSM. I was impressed with both since it was my first experience with a tablet and smart phone. Last year I then wanted to try an Android device and bought the Samsung Galaxy S2, and suddenly the iOS looked static and boring to me. A lot of more options to personalize the phone and the whole UI experience was as fluid as my iPhone.

At the end of the year I will most likely buy a Windows Phone 8 and a Windows Surface Pro tablet. A lot of people think the interface is ugly, mock Microsoft and hope they fail.
I like trying out new things and just the opposite I hope they get success. The more competition the better for all us consumers, whatever it is iOS, Android or Windows.