Brujah

In light of the coupons not working (removed by author?), and Magic Member affiliates not being notified, etc... maybe it's not such a good choice anymore. An open source or free product with multiple developers might be more stable.

I found this review article listing quite a few.
http://winkpress.com/membership-plugin/

Maybe S2Member is the right one to go with. I'd hate to get stuck with Magic Member if it has a flaky developer, and then this time next year it's gone.

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Voodoo

I agree! No More Magic Members! Down with Magic Members! Let's burn their house down!

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harvey

well, this can apply for ANY existing script in the market. Personally, I think the ongoing support and development of a script comes with success. And this is where Magic Members is stronger: they sell like hotcakes, so why kill the golden egg hen? Again, who knows. Maybe they make a lot of money and decide to join a cult, but it will be always a chance with any script

Besides, there are basically 2 WP membership plugins for adult: Magic Members and Your Members. Everything else is catered to mainstream, so unless you're going to use it for a mainstream site, S2 is of no use. Same for most (if not all) other plugins listed in that page

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Brujah

I'm curious why they made this move too. Maybe it's temporary? Is it encoded? Does it call home? If not, it may still be worth looking into.

I'd be using it for a mainstream site but others are using for their adult site. Why do you say it isn't ready for adult? It has an API so should be extendable.

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CyberHustler

http://www.yourmembers.co.uk/ FTW

harvey

I mean by default it doesn't have any CC processor that allows adult. If you are able to extend it by yourself, then yes, you can use it (anyway, there's more than just an API to connect WP with a CC, all processors are different)

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Brujah

I'd be interested in taking a look at any specific processor you're looking to integrate, just to see if I could get it working.

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RazorSharpe

MagicMembers is or was using Yourmembers code base (perhaps with their own enhancements?):

http://www.yourmembers.co.uk/engine-license/

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Brujah

Nice, I didn't realize that. I looked and saw one of the YM guys saying that MM is based on a very old code base, with a few extra payment services.

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RazorSharpe

You should give me a domain for that info ... you can push to be fabulous as usual - haha

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i like magic members, that and wishlist member

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Hello all, my name is Tim I'm the technical director at Coding Futures the people who make Your Members.

Don't worry I'm not here to pimp our wares though if you do have any questions do let me know and I will try to answer them.

What I did want to do is quickly explain the Magic Member connection. As you may or may not know Magic Members is run by a lovely pair of guys over in Turkey. Unfortunately when they started they didn't actually have a product or understand what licenses were, so just "acquired" software paid someone on oDesk to put a new skin on and resold it Magic Members (Your Members), Magic Locker (Your Minder) and Magic Affiliate (wp-affiliate) were born. Unfortunately this had a couple of major drawbacks for them 1) it pissed of the original developers, 2) they had no idea how the software worked and so had even more annoyed customers.

Anyway upshot is we sort of forced them to cough up and pay a license fee to use Your Members codebase they reneged on the deal ultimately. Since then they have "modified" it and with each iteration it has become less like the original. It's worth saying they licensed our Your Members 1.4.5 codebase (and then screwed it up) the current version of Your Members is YM11.0.8. Needless to say while they may have common heritage Magic Members and Your Members are very different.

If anyone has any questions, queries let me know

RazorSharpe

Hi Tim,

Do you guys have plans to introduce other biller options like ccbill, epoch, verotel, vxsbill, that are widely used by the adult community?

Cheers ...

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HTMwrestling

I could've sworn the paid version of s2member had CCBill. There's mention of it on the forums but can't find it on the main site, unless I'm missing it.

http://www.s2member.com/forums/topic...l-eot-problem/

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CIVMatt

Whats the script that is for WP and works on the model of letting you put up a post of public content and then has the "to see more" where if you're a member you can see the rest of the content, works with ccbill?

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tnash

We already support CCBill and Zombaio and are looking at Verotel though they are less then helpful.

RazorSharpe

Why not skip over Verotel and look at Epoch and VXSBill - those two will be MORE than helpful.

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tnash

We have looked at Epoch in the past of the top of my head I can't remember why we didn't do the implementation other then customers were focusing on CCBill and Zombaio. I have added VXSBill onto our feature request board and we will go reach out to them see if we can get some developer docs and a test account to work with.

Esinem

YourMembers would be fantastic if it worked! Does anyone actually have YourMembers and Zombaio passing data reliably? My interface has deteriorated to the extent that I have to constantly activate members manually. It seems the link is dropping data in 'Extra' field, so some users come up as 'Unknown' as the membership package is missing. So-called Premium Support have got nowhere in over two months and they suspect it affects all users. Meanwhile, a couple of key staff have left, their telephone number has been removed from the site and the support forum has been "undergoing maintenance" for over a week...

I'm wondering if I need a proper grown up solution or whether there's another Wordpress plugin that I could use instead with Zombaio that won't involve a massive amount of work? Whilst I have around 6,000 registered members, I have only a handful of paying members with full access to the more bandwidth hungry material.

I currently only have 4 lengths of paid membership (full access), free members (limited access) and unregistered who have even less access. The only extra code used is the [private] tags either side of protected content.

Suggestions for a reliable solution, ideally with Zombaio integration, most welcome.

tnash

Just to mention the phone number hasn't been removed from our site (though we did change it in October) though it has always been for pre sales and a separate dedicated support number for enterprise customers. While in the past customers have tried to use the number to get phone support we tend to politely point them elsewhere, as such and given we have numerous contact methods we have made it less prominent but it is still there just not on every page. Interesting the number of presales calls has not gone down, but the number of support calls has, and we have had a large increase in live chats.

Also just to correct the forums are not down for maintenance exactly, we just enabled maintenance mode, their is a explanation in the box with a link to blog post detailing the issue (which as I have less then 30 posts it won't let me post here) but for those interested it's the latest post on the blog (at least for the next couple of hours)

For the benefit of everyone else, who has not been following our 5 page threads (especially as our forums are down, so you can't see it!) and emails the issue which is effecting several customers is we make use of the extra data field to pass information about the package (subscription) the user is on through Zombaio. Your Members needs this information to determine what to do with the user. In some cases this information is not passed back, normally it's when the user log's in or interacts with Zombaio more then plonking in card details, initially we thought this was just related to cascade billing issues and then if different login details were used but it seems more widespread and while a couple of months ago only one user had issues it now seems more and more users are being caught up in it. This is also not just effecting YM sites but a couple of our competitors as well and appears to have started with the launch of the postback URL changes.

We have also just put out a possible "hack" which relies on us looking at duration and price, that in some situations might work as a fix (We have literally sent the email to known Zombaio customers, so have no feedback yet on the results)

Ultimately if we cannot fix the issue, we will have no choice but to drop Zombaio not something we want to do, in such a scenario we need to find a suitable replacement and are in discussions with several gateways about how to handle migrations if we were to recommend people support them. Putting in alternatives however takes time and any time you have to deal with other companies it naturally leads to delays. YM12.2 should see Epoch support for the first time, and if it's out of beta VXSBill implementation (though we have reservations about putting another membership platform solution, given the issues we have had recently with both CCBill and Zombaio) unfortunately for those following this thread will know we had issues just getting someone to talk to us at Verotel and that remains the case.

Unfortunately switching Membership platforms is not simple as it should be, something we recognise and while we make data portability a priority it's still a pig for any reoccurring payments to migrate across.

For those who did want to migrate from any system, ironically Zombaio would be one of the easiest to do as the package data is stored on Zombaio as well as the membership site. However given the issues above, the only real guaranteed system to work 100% with Zombaio currently is Zombaio own membership software or a system built specifically for Zombaio such as wp-zombaio for WordPress (written by an ex YM staffer, while he was working on Your Members) Software like this will work brilliantly on small paying sites it obviously lacks the features of YM but was built specifically for Zombaio for those people who just need the very basics as it simply replicates their CGI-Script.

Finally for those who are having issues with Your Members and Zombaio the way to get help is via [email protected]

Esinem

Whether it's appearance is related to my post or just a coincidence I cannot say but finally it seems YourMembers have come up with a limited work around that sounds like it should be OK for me as my requirements are very basic. I just hope it works since if I had hair I would have torn it out long ago.

I'm not entirely sure why YM needs Zombaio to send back what package a user is on. That is entered into YM when a membership is created. I'm no software guru but I would have expected it to only need to know the payment was successful as it should know everything else already. No doubt there are other factors at work that are beyond me.

Apart from the Zombaio issue, YM seems to be a good package and capable of some very clever stuff. However, you need to be prepared to roll your sleeves up and get your hands dirty to really make it sing and dance. You can get basic membership flows set up for a small nominal fee but it seems you can't get much more custom work done by them. I was hoping to pay for some consultancy and further development but no luck. They did however suggest an ex-employee who works for himself now but I have held off due to the Zombaio problems.

Does anyone have experience of Zombaio's own membership system?

I'll report back on the success of the fix.

Esinem

Sadly, the YourMembers work around doesn't appear to make any difference and I am still having to activate members manually after around 3 months wait so far.

A further issue with my system is that once a member expires, they cannot re-join as their email is flagged as in-use. Given YM were paid to set up the membership flow, this glaring mistake seems like a massive sales prevention aid. It would have made more sense if it said "Hello again, welcome back. I remember all your details and have reactivated your membership" instead of "Sod off, you're barred".

I was encouraged by the good feedback to trial PornCMS and it has a lot to commend it. Can any users assure me it doesn't suffer the same interfacing problems YM has with Zombaio and that it has retained its reputation?

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Kolargol

Why dont you do 2 wp installs and traditional htaccess/htpasswd setup?

Esinem

Due to the pain of juggling Wordpress plugins, server-side stuff, the Zombaio link etc. I am very much warming to a 1-stop (aka 1 butt to kick if it doesn't work) hosted solution. The less cocking around with IT the better, there are more profitable/fun things to do with my life.

sigurman

Nice info here, thanks.

I am also thinking in installing two traditional WP's, one in public and other in private for members. Anyone made this before?

Esinem

YourMembers and Zombaio are still not working for me :-( According to CodingFutures it works elsewhere but given I use it in the most basic manner ([private] tags only), it seems odd they can't solve my problem and it should only affect me.

I think I'm going to have to dump it. PornCMS seems the way to go for me, unless anyone has any reason why this might be a terrible idea.

hellboy78

yourmembers is gone as wordpress plugin for adult...

zero support.........or......better......

you buy it....then you see that ccbill is not working....ask for support and Tim treat you as idiot....and suspend your support.....

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