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Dirty F · 02-13-2012, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by VS brad

For those who like to cut to the chase: there was in fact a problem as the OP mentioned, we have fixed it and will only resume sending emails once it passes some additional QA + testing.

My parents taught me at a young age that when you fuck up; admit and address it. Looks like that rule applies in this case.

Description

We have four types of emails in our system: registration, triggered, automated and promotional. The first is obvious, triggered are based on user requests (like online notifications), automated are designed to get customers re-engaged with the products and the promotional emails give customers details on our discounts, etc.

In this case 3 out of 4 worked flawless, but an unhandled exception in the promo mailer logic was causing some white label customers to receive Flirt 4 Free branded emails because Flirt 4 Free is the default.

Details

Branding is of utmost priority for us and we sincerely apologize for disrupting the continuity of the white label branding in this case.
Sales tracking works regardless of domain or sitekey. We only email customers with accounts, so even in cases where the user saw a Flirt 4 Free branded email the original affiliate still received credit.

Going Forward

As stated, we?re fixing the programming issue and testing before re-activating. Our next promotional mailing is later this week and it will be fully ready by that time.
We?re going to reach out to the affected customers personally to work to address any branding confusion issues.

Our sincerest apologies that this happened. I?m happy that the sales tracking worked as designed, but very empathic to the issue of branding. We?ve worked hard to build a very solid white label system and obviously failed to achieve perfection in this case. Good lesson and one that we will certainly learn from in the future.

Internally we?re also going to make some changes. I think the Sales Department did what they were supposed to do in the correspondence with the OP; but we could and should have asked for more examples in that email exchange as it would have pointed the programmers directly to the problem (just as it did this morning). Another good lesson.

If anyone has any questions or follow-up concerns I will try to visit this thread later this afternoon and am available via email at brad at vs dot com and or you can call our office to speak with myself or Matt or Jeff in sales (818-880-9021).

Sincerely,

Brad

Damn. That's a lot of bullshit in 1 post. Grats.

Paul Markham · 02-13-2012, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

So what changed?

You got fired.

bean-aid · 02-13-2012, 12:49 AM

How do the people that sent traffic *know* sales were tracked even to flirt4free?

From a programming response would be great. So is it username, cookies, etc.

And btw... This industry doesn't sleep 2cent

Tjeezers · 02-13-2012, 01:28 AM

I emailed them in the summer last year, regarding the email send without a tracking in it, I received a roughly 2-3 days after that nothing was wrong and I was not updated on the fact they track it all. I was highly surprised to see that my returning spenders have been missing since that time, and the account is nearly dead. My email went to that red head ginger guy, and he was not so amused about the tone in my email also, what you want, when someone steals your clients, it is end of the show. Anyway, they still get a few K clicks a week from SE`s, and my white label is actually a joke now.

All White label runners are fucked, but he, VS fights for privacy, they have shit in one hand, gold in the other, it just does not make sense.

My White labels elsewhere are being tracked fine, even the promo emails, all tagged and all tracked. VS you can go fuck yourself by paying off 1 webmaster with a amazon ticket and hoping this thread would die so other WL runners never notice. EU just wakes up, get your chest wet

Roald · 02-13-2012, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Failed

Yeah, they sent me an apology letter and a $250 amazon gift card. I guess that's what my work was worth over the years. What a joke.

Just wondering did you accept it?

plsureking · 02-13-2012, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Tjeezers

I emailed them in the summer last year, regarding the email send without a tracking in it, I received a roughly 2-3 days after that nothing was wrong and I was not updated on the fact they track it all. I was highly surprised to see that my returning spenders have been missing since that time, and the account is nearly dead. My email went to that red head ginger guy, and he was not so amused about the tone in my email also, what you want, when someone steals your clients, it is end of the show. Anyway, they still get a few K clicks a week from SE`s, and my white label is actually a joke now.

VS you can go fuck yourself by paying off 1 webmaster with a amazon ticket and hoping this thread would die

man you got robbed

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Dirty F · 02-13-2012, 05:06 AM

So what is the conclusion? That they've been scamming webmasters for years?

InfoGuy · 02-13-2012, 05:30 AM

Knowing that VS has been allegedly poaching WL customers, will those of you using VS WLs and who have regular customers, continue with your existing VS WLs or are you going to close your VS WLs, use a different sponsor and take the risk that your existing customers will leave?

Failed · 02-13-2012, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

Just wondering did you accept it?

Of all the things you could add here as an affiliate of theirs as well. I know you're a big dog and probably get treated much better than everyone else at the lower levels, but I thought just maybe you would still remember what it was like to be the little fish and actually speak out here a bit about the situation.

Anyway, to answer your question, it came in a fedex envelope, I opened it, laughed, and then gave it to my mom the next day. She liked it much more than I did.

Failed · 02-13-2012, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

So what changed?

What changed? Haven't you read the thread? What changed is I discovered F4F was stealing our white label customers. What changed is I started doing this full-time in the beginning of January and could actually pay attention to what I was doing instead of just a glimpse between work, school, and other obligations. What changed was I stopped believing the bullshit you were being fed and then shitting on the affiliates to feed us.

Failed · 02-13-2012, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy

Knowing that VS has been allegedly poaching WL customers, will those of you using VS WLs and who have regular customers, continue with your existing VS WLs or are you going to close your VS WLs, use a different sponsor and take the risk that your existing customers will leave?

I'll be moving to another sponsor. I've already moved my gay labels. My straight ones are going in a week or so. There isn't any risk of losing customers because they've all been stolen by F4F already. The white label might as well been a redirect to F4F.

Roald · 02-13-2012, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Failed

Of all the things you could add here as an affiliate of theirs as well. I know you're a big dog and probably get treated much better than everyone else at the lower levels, but I thought just maybe you would still remember what it was like to be the little fish and actually speak out here a bit about the situation.

Anyway, to answer your question, it came in a fedex envelope, I opened it, laughed, and then gave it to my mom the next day. She liked it much more than I did.

no no dont get me wrong, just wondering if you accepted it as I would not in your situation.

And please, I do understand your frustration. Branding is what we focus on a lot here at FreeOnes so I would be very pissed too as I can completely understand.

So no, I am not defending VS here. They fucked up and even admitted it.

Failed · 02-13-2012, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

no no dont get me wrong, just wondering if you accepted it as I would not in your situation.

And please, I do understand your frustration. Branding is what we focus on a lot here at FreeOnes so I would be very pissed too as I can completely understand.

So no, I am not defending VS here. They fucked up and even admitted it.

I did take that wrong then, I apologize. I'm glad you understand, it's definitely frustrating.

VS_Jeff · 02-13-2012, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You are correct.

I'm sure they will fix the problem.

Yes, the programmers fixed the problem within hours of knowing about it. All of the users that were sent promotional emails we still tracked under the affiliate and he still received and will continue to receive commission for the users that he referred. The problem was not a "stealing" or a "poaching" thing, it was a branding issue for camboytoys.com, a brand that gets 0 monthly searches for it or any verbiage related to that site.

We sent a gift card to the affiliate because although this issue didn't change anything in regards to his brand, we try to treat our affiliates with respect no matter how big or small.

Failed · 02-13-2012, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by VS_Jeff

Yes, the programmers fixed the problem within hours of knowing about it. All of the users that were sent promotional emails we still tracked under the affiliate and he still received and will continue to receive commission for the users that he referred. The problem was not a "stealing" or a "poaching" thing, it was a branding issue for camboytoys.com, a brand that gets 0 monthly searches for it or any verbiage related to that site.

We sent a gift card to the affiliate because although this issue didn't change anything in regards to his brand, we try to treat our affiliates with respect no matter how big or small.

Wow, you're either a liar or incredibly misinformed. The screenshots and the email that tipped off your programmers came from my white label of camgirlssex.com which gets search engine traffic and has resulted in over 50 sales per month. Granted, I'm not huge, but that could be in result of you STEALING every referred customer from ALL white label domains.

Fucking scumbag

porno jew · 02-13-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Failed

Wow, you're either a liar or incredibly misinformed. The screenshots and the email that tipped off your programmers came from my white label of camgirlssex.com which gets search engine traffic and has resulted in over 50 sales per month. Granted, I'm not huge, but that could be in result of you STEALING every referred customer from ALL white label domains.

Fucking scumbag

sucks but if you don't like them don't use them. simple.

Failed · 02-13-2012, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

sucks but if you don't like them don't use them. simple.

I'm done with them. It will be a week or less and my last white label will be moved. It's just the point of it all that pisses me off. Especially now that this VS rep comes here and flat out lies.

PornMD · 02-13-2012, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

They fucked up and even admitted it.

IMO there's a difference between admitting a one-off fuckup and admitting that it's been fucked up for years. It's good they admitted it was fucked up and fixed it, but they still haven't addressed Failed's indication that it's been like this for years. A $250 Amazon card would be an awfully cheap way to try and bury this issue after they've gained lord knows how much from it.

Failed · 02-13-2012, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PornMD

IMO there's a difference between admitting a one-off fuckup and admitting that it's been fucked up for years. It's good they admitted it was fucked up and fixed it, but they still haven't addressed Failed's indication that it's been like this for years. A $250 Amazon card would be an awfully cheap way to try and bury this issue after they've gained lord knows how much from it.

And now they come here and flat out lie. Add insult to injury. This is Video Secrets everyone!

Failed · 02-13-2012, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by VS_Jeff

Yes, the programmers fixed the problem within hours of knowing about it. All of the users that were sent promotional emails we still tracked under the affiliate and he still received and will continue to receive commission for the users that he referred. The problem was not a "stealing" or a "poaching" thing, it was a branding issue for camboytoys.com, a brand that gets 0 monthly searches for it or any verbiage related to that site.

We sent a gift card to the affiliate because although this issue didn't change anything in regards to his brand, we try to treat our affiliates with respect no matter how big or small.

It's right here in this thread, the screen shots. Flat out lies!

Dirty F · 02-13-2012, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by VS_Jeff

Yes, the programmers fixed the problem within hours of knowing about it.

Because nobody knew this was going on for at least a year, right?

Did Paul work on your magical join links or what?

VS_Jeff · 02-13-2012, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Failed

It's right here in this thread, the screen shots. Flat out lies!

I didn't say that you get no traffic, you do and we pay you for the referrals. I said that many people search the term "Nike" (a brand), nobody searches for "cam boy toys" or any variation because it is not a brand like you are trying to make it seem it is.

This issue meant that a small percentage of the users were sent F4F promo emails. In order for the user to not be attributed to you, they would have to purposely create a new account with new identity, with a new cc, a new address, AND get through our fraud department. It would be very difficult for our system to "steal" any customers and not pay you for them.

Failed · 02-13-2012, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by VS_Jeff

I didn't say that you get no traffic, you do and we pay you for the referrals. I said that many people search the term "Nike" (a brand), nobody searches for "cam boy toys" or any variation because it is not a brand like you are trying to make it seem it is.

This issue meant that a small percentage of the users were sent F4F promo emails. In order for the user to not be attributed to you, they would have to purposely create a new account with new identity, with a new cc, a new address, AND get through our fraud department. It would be very difficult for our system to "steal" any customers and not pay you for them.

Hey, genius, this isn't about cam boy toys, this is about the white labels, all 3, that you stole my customers from. You can't come into a thread that has actual proof and lie your way out of it.

*Edit, camgirlssex.com has been indexed over 80,000 times and had a pr of 2, just down to 1.
camboyschat.com is on page 2 of google when searching for "cam boys" and was on page 1.

Failed · 02-13-2012, 12:18 PM

Not only that, what about every other white label owner out there trying to build a brand? What do you tell them, there brand isn't worth shit either?

HighlyIntoxicated · 02-13-2012, 02:54 PM

back to the front page.

adultforum · 02-13-2012, 03:29 PM

VS got caught with the cat in the bag

) kitty kitty

Adraco · 02-13-2012, 03:42 PM

A very sneaky way to steal from affiliates, after all, how many try to join their own stuff? As far as I understand, joining yourself is allowed with some sponsors, as long as you tell them after the test is done and the sale is removed/cancelled. Sextronix comes to mind as one who allows its webmasters to test join anytime and for any reason, as long as you tell them afterwards.

KillerK · 02-13-2012, 04:44 PM

Great work Failed.

You should get a MEDAL!

Vendzilla · 02-13-2012, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Failed

What changed? Haven't you read the thread? What changed is I discovered F4F was stealing our white label customers. What changed is I started doing this full-time in the beginning of January and could actually pay attention to what I was doing instead of just a glimpse between work, school, and other obligations. What changed was I stopped believing the bullshit you were being fed and then shitting on the affiliates to feed us.

Like Samuel Clemens, I don't lie, I have no use for it. If you want to continue to slander me, have the balls to say it to me in person. A lot of my old accounts are still contacting me for help. Because I helped them! Like you yourself have said!

I worked with you to make an improvment in the WL, that's the only thing we have worked together on, You were not my account, so if you want to call me names for that,. bring it asshole! I see a big future for someone that calls people that work with them names!!!

I'm done with you, putting you on ignore. I have a problem being attacked by someone that I helped and even admitted to me helping you. What a fucking asshat!

plsureking · 02-13-2012, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Failed

Wow, you're either a liar or incredibly misinformed. The screenshots and the email that tipped off your programmers came from my white label of camgirlssex.com which gets search engine traffic and has resulted in over 50 sales per month. Granted, I'm not huge, but that could be in result of you STEALING every referred customer from ALL white label domains.

Fucking scumbag

what he said was your brand is not important to them, so they sent emails to your customers under their own brand to strengthen their own brand name. its not right, but that is what he said - twice. lol

MORE/EDIT: it would be like me requiring PornCMS customers to keep a PornCMS logo in the header of their sites and our brand name in their titles, emails, and all site branding. its a pretty fucked up way to do business, but in their mind, they are the sponsor and you are just an affiliate. they don't see you as a reseller.
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Paul Markham · 02-14-2012, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Like Samuel Clemens, I don't lie, I have no use for it. If you want to continue to slander me, have the balls to say it to me in person. A lot of my old accounts are still contacting me for help. Because I helped them! Like you yourself have said!

I worked with you to make an improvment in the WL, that's the only thing we have worked together on, You were not my account, so if you want to call me names for that,. bring it asshole! I see a big future for someone that calls people that work with them names!!!

I'm done with you, putting you on ignore. I have a problem being attacked by someone that I helped and even admitted to me helping you. What a fucking asshat!

So you never said that piracy sites were affiliates and then changed it to VS bought space?

So you now admit VS buy advertising on piracy sites giving away recorded porn. Nice when V.

Adraco · 02-14-2012, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

... I worked with you to make an improvment in the WL, that's the only thing we have worked together on, You were not my account ...

I have no part in this at all, but do find it peculiar that if one, for example you, would work for an affiliate program, being the big name announced on the board (having one of the most royal email addresses I've ever seen!) and stuff, then I find it a bit disturbing that one would care if one was your account or not.

Take TopBucks for example, Sly is my account manager. Should I ever need to ask Kristin something, she WILL respond and she WILL solve my problem. Same as Nastydollars, whomever I happen to contact, WILL help me out, being their account or not.

To even bring that up as an argument, that "I only help if you're my account, those are the only ones I care for" is a strange way to perceive one owns job, reputation and most importantly the firm or brand one is working for.

Now, you mentioned that you DID in fact help out, so noted. From the affiliate point of view, I would say that's what I would expect you to (given that what was asked for was reasonable and beneficial to both).

Not here to criticize you or how you work, and most importantly not interested to pick a fight. I just find it very peculiar how one would bring up such a thing, to tell an affiliate "I don't have to do this for you, because you are not my account".

Failed · 02-14-2012, 04:39 AM

Vendzilla has me on ignore, consider the debt paid VS

Failed · 02-14-2012, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by plsureking

what he said was your brand is not important to them, so they sent emails to your customers under their own brand to strengthen their own brand name. its not right, but that is what he said - twice. lol

MORE/EDIT: it would be like me requiring PornCMS customers to keep a PornCMS logo in the header of their sites and our brand name in their titles, emails, and all site branding. its a pretty fucked up way to do business, but in their mind, they are the sponsor and you are just an affiliate. they don't see you as a reseller.
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To be honest, I'm not here looking for money. I didn't even expect the gift card. I just want to move on from this company and their dishonest ways of doing business. The only thing I wanted from this thread was to bring all of the information I had to other affiliates. Which I think has been done, so I'm satisfied.

But, Vendzilla comes in and calls me a drama queen, the VS reps come in and flat out lie about the damage they've done to affiliates, and it makes me angry to see that a company and it's reps past and present, still continue their dishonesty after proof has been presented. They use my lowest performing domain as an example to show how this wasn't damaging from their point of view. Well forget my domains, what about everyone else's? That's what this is about, all the white labels they stole from, ALL.

Anyway, I hope they keep coming here and bumping the thread. If I owned VS I would tell Jeff and even contact Vendzilla and let them know the best thing they could do is just shut the hell up. Thankfully, they don't

porno jew · 02-14-2012, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So you never said that piracy sites were affiliates and then changed it to VS bought space?

So you now admit VS buy advertising on piracy sites giving away recorded porn. Nice when V.

seriously learn to fucking read.

candyflip · 02-14-2012, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Adraco

I have no part in this at all, but do find it peculiar that if one, for example you, would work for an affiliate program, being the big name announced on the board (having one of the most royal email addresses I've ever seen!) and stuff, then I find it a bit disturbing that one would care if one was your account or not.

Take TopBucks for example, Sly is my account manager. Should I ever need to ask Kristin something, she WILL respond and she WILL solve my problem. Same as Nastydollars, whomever I happen to contact, WILL help me out, being their account or not.

To even bring that up as an argument, that "I only help if you're my account, those are the only ones I care for" is a strange way to perceive one owns job, reputation and most importantly the firm or brand one is working for.

Now, you mentioned that you DID in fact help out, so noted. From the affiliate point of view, I would say that's what I would expect you to (given that what was asked for was reasonable and beneficial to both).

Not here to criticize you or how you work, and most importantly not interested to pick a fight. I just find it very peculiar how one would bring up such a thing, to tell an affiliate "I don't have to do this for you, because you are not my account".

It probably has a lot to do with why he's no longer working for them anymore. Remember, it was only a week or so ago that his ass was fired.

plsureking · 02-14-2012, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Failed

To be honest, I'm not here looking for money. I didn't even expect the gift card. I just want to move on from this company and their dishonest ways of doing business. The only thing I wanted from this thread was to bring all of the information I had to other affiliates. Which I think has been done, so I'm satisfied.

yea i dont know how deep or far this goes, but it could be the latest major scam uncovered in porn. this time of course the scam was on the affiliates not customers. i hope it keeps getting bumped and i hope other WL affiliates for VS and other companies check their stats. VS makes a shitload of money. there was no reason to steal from affiliates.

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Vendzilla · 02-14-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Adraco

I have no part in this at all, but do find it peculiar that if one, for example you, would work for an affiliate program, being the big name announced on the board (having one of the most royal email addresses I've ever seen!) and stuff, then I find it a bit disturbing that one would care if one was your account or not.

Take TopBucks for example, Sly is my account manager. Should I ever need to ask Kristin something, she WILL respond and she WILL solve my problem. Same as Nastydollars, whomever I happen to contact, WILL help me out, being their account or not.

To even bring that up as an argument, that "I only help if you're my account, those are the only ones I care for" is a strange way to perceive one owns job, reputation and most importantly the firm or brand one is working for.

Now, you mentioned that you DID in fact help out, so noted. From the affiliate point of view, I would say that's what I would expect you to (given that what was asked for was reasonable and beneficial to both).

Not here to criticize you or how you work, and most importantly not interested to pick a fight. I just find it very peculiar how one would bring up such a thing, to tell an affiliate "I don't have to do this for you, because you are not my account".

WTF is your point? He wasn't my account and I worked with him, does this escape you? Need hooked on phonics or something? He's a whiny bitch that if he didn't get his email answered at 9 pm, he posted on GFY about it at 9:05 pm.

Failed · 02-14-2012, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

WTF is your point? He wasn't my account and I worked with him, does this escape you? Need hooked on phonics or something? He's a whiny bitch that if he didn't get his email answered at 9 pm, he posted on GFY about it at 9:05 pm.

This is the Vendzilla and Video Secrets mentality. Bring an issue to light that other affiliates should be aware of and you're "a whiny bitch."

Good luck finding a job

DEA · 02-14-2012, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

WTF is your point? He wasn't my account and I worked with him, does this escape you? Need hooked on phonics or something? He's a whiny bitch that if he didn't get his email answered at 9 pm, he posted on GFY about it at 9:05 pm.

a few points were made.

1. Failed tried to point out this "Oopps E Daisy" problem a few months back and nothing happend.

2. Once he pointed out the problem on gfy..suddenly not only do the parites resposible reply but they come up with a great excuse why this happend and then send Failed a $250 gift card as a STFU thank you note

3. You got pissy and acted like you were doing a favour for helping out an affiliate that wasnt actually making YOU money ..then call him a whiney bitch for?..for poitning out VS is in theory taking affiliate join emails to send out freebies in an attempt to hijack future earnings from the affiliate.

4. you got fired.

just sayin

EDIT..you got fired and got pissy at Failed because in reality if he didnt expose this problem here and you didnt open your mouth about it..you would probably still have a job...in your eyes..Failed is the reason you wont be getting a paycheck on friday ;)

TarPy · 02-14-2012, 12:12 PM

I'll weigh in on a few things.

"Cam Boy Toy" is a brand, people do google strange domains
I appreciate that you feel the affiliate is being dramatic, but it's a pretty serious error. At best, it shows a major failure to do some basic testing before you made a system live to people, at worst deliberate fraud.
At this point, you're expecting us to "trust" the way you say your system works, and people getting credit for joins with no links on them, etc. This would be more believable if you had been quicker to respond to the affiliate's initial problem e-mails.
When you fuck up, don't belittle your affiliate. It's unbecoming.
We're evaluating white labels, and Failed has given me some things to consider, and some tests to run on all of our partners before we select one. I believe this was his goal.

Bugs happen, but "bugs" are also used to cover a lot of "fraud" so the suspicion is fair.

Vendzilla · 02-14-2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FORGOTMYSCREENNAME

a few points were made.

1. Failed tried to point out this "Oopps E Daisy" problem a few months back and nothing happend.

2. Once he pointed out the problem on gfy..suddenly not only do the parites resposible reply but they come up with a great excuse why this happend and then send Failed a $250 gift card as a STFU thank you note

3. You got pissy and acted like you were doing a favour for helping out an affiliate that wasnt actually making YOU money ..then call him a whiney bitch for?..for poitning out VS is in theory taking affiliate join emails to send out freebies in an attempt to hijack future earnings from the affiliate.

4. you got fired.

just sayin

EDIT..you got fired and got pissy at Failed because in reality if he didnt expose this problem here and you didnt open your mouth about it..you would probably still have a job...in your eyes..Failed is the reason you wont be getting a paycheck on friday ;)

Failed went to the boards before contacting the program.

He has a history of it.

He's just here for the drama, business is not conducted that way.

Vendzilla · 02-14-2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FORGOTMYSCREENNAME

a few points were made.

1. Failed tried to point out this "Oopps E Daisy" problem a few months back and nothing happend.

The problem he went to the forums last month was taken care of. It was explained to him. This is a new one, try to keep up. He waited 5 minutes after he sent the email before whinning to GFY. That was about commisions, try to keep up asshole. He didn't even bother contacting the program this time.,

Failed · 02-14-2012, 02:45 PM

I have emails dating back to January about this situation. Keep lying and making yourself and the program that use to employ you look bad.

st0ned · 02-14-2012, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TarPy

I'll weigh in on a few things.

"Cam Boy Toy" is a brand, people do google strange domains
I appreciate that you feel the affiliate is being dramatic, but it's a pretty serious error. At best, it shows a major failure to do some basic testing before you made a system live to people, at worst deliberate fraud.
At this point, you're expecting us to "trust" the way you say your system works, and people getting credit for joins with no links on them, etc. This would be more believable if you had been quicker to respond to the affiliate's initial problem e-mails.
When you fuck up, don't belittle your affiliate. It's unbecoming.
We're evaluating white labels, and Failed has given me some things to consider, and some tests to run on all of our partners before we select one. I believe this was his goal.

Bugs happen, but "bugs" are also used to cover a lot of "fraud" so the suspicion is fair.

Well said.

signupdamnit · 02-14-2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

The problem he went to the forums last month was taken care of. It was explained to him. This is a new one, try to keep up. He waited 5 minutes after he sent the email before whinning to GFY. That was about commisions, try to keep up asshole. He didn't even bother contacting the program this time.,

And 3 or 4 months ago I remember him sitting here and vehemently defending VS when many affiliates were trashing them. As I recall he was claiming that he was making good money with VS. It's ridiculous to say that he is out to get VS for no reason because that's just not true based on the evidence and common sense. It's almost never good in the short term for an affiliate to break relations with a sponsor who is performing. It's not something that most of us do lightly because it can severly hurt us in the short term. However it's just like anything else in that once you catch someone being shady or cheating chances are they will do it again so you have to. You learn that with experience.

But even if I dismissed this incident and all the past things I have heard about VS based on the responses of the VS reps and yourself I wouldn't be caught dead promoting VS as an affiliate.

Vendzilla · 02-14-2012, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

And 3 or 4 months ago I remember him sitting here and vehemently defending VS when many affiliates were trashing them. As I recall he was claiming that he was making good money with VS. It's ridiculous to say that he is out to get VS for no reason because that's just not true based on the evidence and common sense. It's almost never good in the short term for an affiliate to break relations with a sponsor who is performing. It's not something that most of us do lightly because it can severly hurt us in the short term. However it's just like anything else in that once you catch someone being shady or cheating chances are they will do it again so you have to. You learn that with experience.

But even if I dismissed this incident and all the past things I have heard about VS based on the responses of the VS reps and yourself I wouldn't be caught dead promoting VS as an affiliate.

Thats your desicion, I don't have any issues with them. You would think I would

I do have issues with those that attack openly without talking to the program first. He has a history of this, last time was because of somethng in the TOS he didn't understand. End result, he makes money with the program. I've seen his stats, yet shows all the disrepect I would expect of a 3rd grader that ran short of his Ritalin medications.

itx · 02-14-2012, 11:22 PM

Thanks for make this public, I'm gonna check the other sponsors too that I'm using with WL. Great work.

Paul Markham · 02-15-2012, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

WTF is your point? He wasn't my account and I worked with him, does this escape you? Need hooked on phonics or something? He's a whiny bitch that if he didn't get his email answered at 9 pm, he posted on GFY about it at 9:05 pm.

You lied about pirates being affiliates and then it was bought space, probably lied about the time running out as well. So why should anyone believe you when you say you or VS did not know about this?

And it's up to a program to make sure their affiliates are getting the money they have worked for. If this were me everyone would be flaming and rightly so.

Failed · 02-15-2012, 03:56 AM

Oh Vendzilla, enough with the lies. I was in contact with the program about these issues since January. I thought I was being lied to so I did some investigating on my own which then proved I was being lied to. After I had proof and knew Video Secrets was flat out lying to me, I brought it to the boards to warn other affiliates and expose the lie.

You keep saying that going to the boards makes me a whiny little bitch, a drama queen, and that this is no way to do business. What is a good way of doing business? Lying to affiliates, stealing from affiliates, and expecting them not to open their mouths and warn other affiliates?

Call me all the names you want, just keep doing it in this thread so it gets back to page 1. I'm happy to accept all of your insults as long as 1 more affiliate gets to read this thread.

02-13-2012, 01:28 AM	#104
Tjeezers Webmaster Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: BP4L - NL/RO Posts: 16,556	I emailed them in the summer last year, regarding the email send without a tracking in it, I received a roughly 2-3 days after that nothing was wrong and I was not updated on the fact they track it all. I was highly surprised to see that my returning spenders have been missing since that time, and the account is nearly dead. My email went to that red head ginger guy, and he was not so amused about the tone in my email also, what you want, when someone steals your clients, it is end of the show. Anyway, they still get a few K clicks a week from SE`s, and my white label is actually a joke now. All White label runners are fucked, but he, VS fights for privacy, they have shit in one hand, gold in the other, it just does not make sense. My White labels elsewhere are being tracked fine, even the promo emails, all tagged and all tracked. VS you can go fuck yourself by paying off 1 webmaster with a amazon ticket and hoping this thread would die so other WL runners never notice. EU just wakes up, get your chest wet __________________ Enroll in the SWAG Affiliate Asian Live Cam Program and get 9 free quality linkbacks from my network! Wanna see how old school I am? Look at this! All my Cam Review Sites are here!

02-13-2012, 05:30 AM	#108
InfoGuy 80/20 Rule Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,051	Knowing that VS has been allegedly poaching WL customers, will those of you using VS WLs and who have regular customers, continue with your existing VS WLs or are you going to close your VS WLs, use a different sponsor and take the risk that your existing customers will leave? __________________ Support American Heroes \| How Bad is My Batch? \| Vaccine Deaths & Adverse Reactions \| Free Speech Coalition \| <WARNING> ePayService / Guerra Capital, INC / MTACC payments \| Flirt4Free Fucks their Affiliates \| Don't do business with piece of shit Andy Alvarez from Webmaster Central / VR3000, who said: "If it was up to me, they would have shot all 30,000 of those country loving shitheads"

02-13-2012, 03:29 PM	#126
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02-13-2012, 03:42 PM	#127
Adraco Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2009 Location: Onboard an airplane around the globe Posts: 3,734	A very sneaky way to steal from affiliates, after all, how many try to join their own stuff? As far as I understand, joining yourself is allowed with some sponsors, as long as you tell them after the test is done and the sale is removed/cancelled. Sextronix comes to mind as one who allows its webmasters to test join anytime and for any reason, as long as you tell them afterwards. __________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The truth is not affected by the beliefs, or doubts, of the majority.

02-14-2012, 12:12 PM	#141
TarPy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 758	I'll weigh in on a few things. "Cam Boy Toy" is a brand, people do google strange domains I appreciate that you feel the affiliate is being dramatic, but it's a pretty serious error. At best, it shows a major failure to do some basic testing before you made a system live to people, at worst deliberate fraud. At this point, you're expecting us to "trust" the way you say your system works, and people getting credit for joins with no links on them, etc. This would be more believable if you had been quicker to respond to the affiliate's initial problem e-mails. When you fuck up, don't belittle your affiliate. It's unbecoming. We're evaluating white labels, and Failed has given me some things to consider, and some tests to run on all of our partners before we select one. I believe this was his goal. Bugs happen, but "bugs" are also used to cover a lot of "fraud" so the suspicion is fair. __________________ Not Working

02-13-2012, 12:49 AM	#103
bean-aid So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: the land of woke sleuths Posts: 16,493	How do the people that sent traffic know sales were tracked even to flirt4free? From a programming response would be great. So is it username, cookies, etc. And btw... This industry doesn't sleep 2cent

02-13-2012, 05:06 AM	#107
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	So what is the conclusion? That they've been scamming webmasters for years?

02-13-2012, 12:18 PM	#124
Failed Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,301	Not only that, what about every other white label owner out there trying to build a brand? What do you tell them, there brand isn't worth shit either?

02-13-2012, 02:54 PM	#125
HighlyIntoxicated Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 542	back to the front page.

02-13-2012, 04:44 PM	#128
KillerK Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,406	Great work Failed. You should get a MEDAL!

02-14-2012, 04:39 AM	#133
Failed Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,301	Vendzilla has me on ignore, consider the debt paid VS

02-14-2012, 02:45 PM	#144
Failed Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,301	I have emails dating back to January about this situation. Keep lying and making yourself and the program that use to employ you look bad.

02-14-2012, 11:22 PM	#148
itx Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 969	Thanks for make this public, I'm gonna check the other sponsors too that I'm using with WL. Great work.

02-15-2012, 03:56 AM	#150
Failed Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,301	Oh Vendzilla, enough with the lies. I was in contact with the program about these issues since January. I thought I was being lied to so I did some investigating on my own which then proved I was being lied to. After I had proof and knew Video Secrets was flat out lying to me, I brought it to the boards to warn other affiliates and expose the lie. You keep saying that going to the boards makes me a whiny little bitch, a drama queen, and that this is no way to do business. What is a good way of doing business? Lying to affiliates, stealing from affiliates, and expecting them not to open their mouths and warn other affiliates? Call me all the names you want, just keep doing it in this thread so it gets back to page 1. I'm happy to accept all of your insults as long as 1 more affiliate gets to read this thread.