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RadicalSights · 05-14-2011, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Didn't you get an xbiz nomination once for designer of the year?

I did too.. who cares?

that's meaningless stuff. You can tell a bunch of people to just add your URL there and bam your nominated.

cherrylula · 05-14-2011, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Typical GFY bitches?

Uhuh.

Are you refusing to buy .xxx too BP? Boneprone.xxx looks so tough.

CaptainHowdy · 05-14-2011, 06:15 AM

Commercial break ...

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RadicalSights · 05-14-2011, 06:20 AM

their advertising rates a super high.. I was going to buy some ad space once and laughed at them when I heard what they wanted. I might as well have just burned the $ instead.

cherrylula · 05-14-2011, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

You seem to suffer from the belief you think that GFY represents the adult industry as a whole. It doesn't. There are literally hundreds of companies that advertise in their trade you never would know about if your rely on GFY for your information. Many never post here.

OMG Barefootsies don't let the cat out of the bag!

Many of us still around here worked in adult long before we even posted on this board. I worked in adult for almost 7 years before ever posting here. (97-02).

But I will say what Lensman did with this board is true genius. However all these years later it is more of a curse to those of us still here for actual business. I come here daily and learn new things all the time.

I guess the trolls are entertainment. Like gerbils keeping the wheels warm and in motion while the rest of us either work or rest. The downside is they think *this* place where we post messages is somehow the core of the adult industry. It's like thinking Myspace is going to get you a record deal with Universal opening up for U2 at Lollapalooza.

AdPatron · 05-14-2011, 09:23 AM

I'd like another break please....

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Commercial break ...

End of commercial break ...

.... that was good. Back to the show.

Alprazolam · 05-14-2011, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by C H R I S 2.0

Great post... I must say....

get back in the fucking shadowy corner you hide in now scum bag. there are many here that are going to make sure that you do not deliver your agenda.

will76 · 05-14-2011, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Maybe next time you could fit a few more double and triple negatives into a single sentence.

Actually, that goes to show what little you know & talking out of your ass on this one.

Many of the companies buying ad space in XBIZ are not even represented on forums or GFY. You seem to suffer from the belief you think that GFY represents the adult industry as a whole. It doesn't. There are literally hundreds of companies that advertise in their trade you never would know about if your rely on GFY for your information. Many never post here.

This is one of the things that always makes me laugh about people who do not bother to read the trades, or go to any of the conferences, and talk like they have the pulse of this industry and the companies within it.

You are really out of touch with many of the things going on with the bigger companies. While you are worrying about tubes every day in the latest Paul Markham dead horse thread, arguing about politics, and the color of Obsama's skid marks after being shot. Real business is getting done. A lot of it never even gets mentioned on the forums.

The boards in general are way behind what is actually going on, and most of the topics focus all of their time and energy on is not even on the radar of those paying for ad space in XBIZ. If you rely on GFY to keep up with all of the changes, and innovations going on within this industry, you are clueless.

I doubt the pontificating of Will76 and Paul Markham on GFY about tube sites, industry conspiracies, and their thoughts on life, are keeping Larry Flynt or Steve Hirsch up at night. At best, the small fries and piss ants will be out of this industry, leaving it to the conglomerates who actually have money. Brazzer's is a prime example of a company not hurting for business as easy shown by their different big dollar acquisitions.

Anyway, I will leave you to it Markham Jr.. Like many threads, you've made up your mind and will fight endlessly about it with long Gettysburg address opinions. Enjoy.

Hey Champ, lets back the truck up. You avoided everything I said and instead went on a tangent about me thinking GFY represents all of adult, some shit how I am like Paul, that I don't know what I am talking about because I don't get their actual mag etc... What the fuck does that have to do with anything.

Obviously when you know you are wrong you go on the attack and start talking about unrelated things.

Lets back that truck up Hoss and start over and have you stick to the subject at hand.

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I would say it's more realistic that they will be one of the last viable companies standing in the next 12-24 months when adult is a ghost town. But I suppose time will tell, as it always does, in such things.

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Originally Posted by will76

that makes no sense. Isn't the majority of their revenue based on ad sales??? If Adult is a ghost town then how in the fuck they still going to be in business? no one left to read their shit or buy ads from them. Or do they do business that we don't know about, have a stake in .xxx or something like that ? If its all based on the adult community to read their shit (provide traffic source / venue so they can then try to sell ads to adult companies) then they in a lot of trouble if there is few people left in the adult community (ghost town) to read their shit and buy ads from them.

You said that Xbiz will be "one of the last viable companies standing in the next 12-24 months when all of adult is a ghost town."

That is the only thing I was commenting about. Not that I think gfy represents all of adult, whether or not I get their magazine or wtf Paul thinks. It's pretty fucking simple champ. Explain to me this with out all of your bull shit and spin. WHY DO YOU THINK XBIZ will be one of the last businesses standing and will be so viable? WHY? Unless I am missing something here and you would like to explain it to me, they make money from the adult industry, from readers and people who buy ads from them. If they are one of the last companies standing and all of adult is a ghost town (your words) then that makes no sense. Who is going to be reading their shit and buying ads from them to keep them in business.

Balls back in your court Spin master, would love to see you stick to the subject and answer the fucking question, Champ.

will76 · 05-14-2011, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Many of the companies buying ad space in XBIZ are not even represented on forums or GFY. You seem to suffer from the belief you think that GFY represents the adult industry as a whole. It doesn't. There are literally hundreds of companies that advertise in their trade you never would know about if your rely on GFY for your information. Many never post here.

Just so we crystal clear on this part...

I know there is a ton of people who don't post here that is in the adult industry. The vast majority of the industry doesn't post here or even read GFY. Thanks for pointing that out captain obvious. No idea where you came to the conclusion that I thought otherwise.... Hoss. Don't forget you are the one that said " all of adult being a ghost town" and I was commenting on that, the entire industry, not GFY. moron.

will76 · 05-14-2011, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula

OMG Barefootsies don't let the cat out of the bag!

Many of us still around here worked in adult long before we even posted on this board. I worked in adult for almost 7 years before ever posting here. (97-02).

But I will say what Lensman did with this board is true genius. However all these years later it is more of a curse to those of us still here for actual business. I come here daily and learn new things all the time.

I guess the trolls are entertainment. Like gerbils keeping the wheels warm and in motion while the rest of us either work or rest. The downside is they think *this* place where we post messages is somehow the core of the adult industry. It's like thinking Myspace is going to get you a record deal with Universal opening up for U2 at Lollapalooza.

Mo, I also was in the industry for several years before I posted here. I started in 99, didn't even know what a forum was till I stumbled across ynot in 2003.

Barefootsies · 05-14-2011, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

Hey Champ let's back the truck up

Lets back that truck up Hoss .

It's pretty fucking simple champ.

Champ.

Repeating the same paraphrased sentence in a single post,... twice.

Chief/champ/Hoss reference count in a single post,... four.

Posting back to back like a dog with a bone, reinforcing my previous statement.

Thank you for proving my point. The pleasure was mine.

will76 · 05-14-2011, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Repeating the same paraphrased sentence in a single post,... twice.

Chief/champ/Hoss reference count in a single post,... four.

Posting back to back like a dog with a bone, reinforcing my previous statement.

Thank you for proving my point. The pleasure was mine.

Ah so its ok for you to sound like an idiot and call people retarded names like Hoss, Champ, etc... all the time but I do it and you take offense lol.

I'll be nice to you and dumb it down so you can stop avoiding the question, which is actually getting pretty sad, you said:

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I would say it's more realistic that they will be one of the last viable companies standing in the next 12-24 months when adult is a ghost town. But I suppose time will tell, as it always does, in such things.

Instead of trying to insult me, pick a fight with me, put words in my mouth, avoid the question, why don't you explain why you think Xbiz is such a viable company and will be one of the last companies in business when the rest of adult becomes a ghost town?

Barefootsies · 05-14-2011, 06:29 PM

Bait the trap, reel will76 in like a fish....

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Originally Posted by will76

Ah so its ok for you to sound like an idiot and call people retarded names like Hoss, Champ

Simply because I point out your repetition in a single post I am offended?

**throws head back and cackles with insane glee**

It just makes me laugh when you lower yourself to "my level".

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Originally Posted by will76

I'll be nice to you and dumb it down

Says the king of repetition, and double and triple of negatives. Maybe next time slip in this little gem, "I ain't got no...". You can use it as follows, "I ain't got nothing better to do on a Saturday night...".

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Originally Posted by will76

Instead of trying to insult me, pick a fight with me

Why is that? Would that be because I asked you if you actually read, or received the XBIZ trade mag? Or because I pointed out your logic, or lack there of, was flawed? Maybe it was that I pointed out many of the companies who advertise in their trade do not have a GFY presence?

woj · 05-14-2011, 07:25 PM

You are right, the future doesn't look too bright for them, but if anything they will probably get bought out, not actually go out of biz...

RonC · 05-14-2011, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornless

That's my next prediction. I nailed it with epassporte, too fucking predictable.

Pornless I am suprised by this post.

In MY OPINION which is not worth that much. I am pretty sure my post count is below 100 so I qualify for a newbie. I have been EXTREMLEY impressed by how xbiz has Created an industry magazine, then created 2 VERY successful trade shows. Then created the BEST INTERENT related AWARdS show EVER. This last years show was truly Hollywood style. I WAS VERY proud to be at involved in the show and really felt like the Adult INTERENT side of the business had be recognized. I see all the numbers and people say that the adult internet side is dying. But I can tell you for a fact that CCbill will do more processing this year than any year EVER. I don?t know numbers but I would guess that XBIZ will do the Same. So before you decide to count Alex and Moe out it would think twice MY TWO CENTS

Ron Cadwell
CEO
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CCbill.com
Cavecreek.com

GonZo · 05-14-2011, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RonC

Pornless I am suprised by this post.

In MY OPINION which is not worth that much. I am pretty sure my post count is below 100 so I qualify for a newbie. I have been EXTREMLEY impressed by how xbiz has Created an industry magazine, then created 2 VERY successful trade shows. Then created the BEST INTERENT related AWARdS show EVER. This last years show was truly Hollywood style. I WAS VERY proud to be at involved in the show and really felt like the Adult INTERENT side of the business had be recognized. I see all the numbers and people say that the adult internet side is dying. But I can tell you for a fact that CCbill will do more processing this year than any year EVER. I don?t know numbers but I would guess that XBIZ will do the Same. So before you decide to count Alex and Moe out it would think twice MY TWO CENTS

Ron Cadwell
CEO
______________
CCbill.com
Cavecreek.com

Circle the wagons.

alias · 05-14-2011, 08:02 PM

Xbiz people are working hard, the magazine is good.

baddog · 05-14-2011, 08:26 PM

There is more to adult than the Internet and video, XBIZ covers them all. As far as an XBIZ poll being the reason .XXX passed, posts on GFY were cited as well. As far as opinions of XBIZ.net and/or XBIZ.com being the polar opposite of GFY, this surprises you?

No two boards that I can recall were ever like another. They all have their own personalities.

2MuchMark · 05-14-2011, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy

I wont even read stories published by XBIZ these days, and no longer visit the site.

Vote with views guys.

Too bad. If you care about your own business you should be reading and learning everything you can. The more skill you learn, the better your business can be.

2MuchMark · 05-14-2011, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

Oh I just remembered they give out stupid awards that are meaningless and most people will piratically suck their cock to get nominated.

I really hope people stop messing around with their stupid awards, its a big joke they playing on you. The award means total shit yet all of you people fly the banners (awards) on your sites and on here and give them lots of free traffic. congrats on getting played.

If companies still care about their awards in the future I think I will be skipping over those companies and doing business with someone else.

I would tend to disagree with you. The XBiz awards are the biggest (only?) award and ceremony that covers online entertainment, innovation and technology. Companies like CCBill and Segpay won because let's face it, they deserve it. They are always on top of their game. In the video chat category, MFC beat us and Video Secrets this year. No surprise, they are really good at what they do.

Winning an Xbiz award is very good for business. Our sales went up over 200% since we won ours. Customers even told us that they choose us over our competitors because of the Xbiz award.

There's even a little something more. If you know that you have a chance of being nominated or winning, it gives you a little personal kick in the butt to try harder in your business and to make your product as good as it can be. An award is a nice target to reach for.

2MuchMark · 05-14-2011, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RonC

Pornless I am suprised by this post.

In MY OPINION which is not worth that much. I am pretty sure my post count is below 100 so I qualify for a newbie. I have been EXTREMLEY impressed by how xbiz has Created an industry magazine, then created 2 VERY successful trade shows. Then created the BEST INTERENT related AWARdS show EVER. This last years show was truly Hollywood style. I WAS VERY proud to be at involved in the show and really felt like the Adult INTERENT side of the business had be recognized. I see all the numbers and people say that the adult internet side is dying. But I can tell you for a fact that CCbill will do more processing this year than any year EVER. I don?t know numbers but I would guess that XBIZ will do the Same. So before you decide to count Alex and Moe out it would think twice MY TWO CENTS

Ron Cadwell
CEO
______________
CCbill.com
Cavecreek.com

Well said Sir Ron. Well said.

will76 · 05-14-2011, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Why is that? Would that be because I asked you if you actually read, or received the XBIZ trade mag? Or because I pointed out your logic, or lack there of, was flawed? Maybe it was that I pointed out many of the companies who advertise in their trade do not have a GFY presence?

What in the hell does GFY have to do with Anything???

You said xbiz was a viable company and would be one of the last ones standing in ADULT. Not on GFY, but all of adult. Why do you keep mentioning that xbiz has a lot of adult advertisers that don't post on GFY. I never said or implied otherwise. I think any idiot would know that is a fact and it has nothing to do with anything here.

You are such a little pussy. You make one simple statement on here that xbiz is some great company that is going to out last all of adult, when adult is a ghost town xbiz will still be going strong. I simply said that I disagree and ask you why you think that and you go and get all fucking stupid and out in left field with your responses... by replying back with retarded shit like " but but did you get a copy of the xbiz mag!" and " dumbass not all companies in adult post on GFY". My god you are fucking stupid with those responses as they have nothing to do with anything.

Continue to dodge the question and I will continue to point out how you are a fucking idiot until you answer it with some intelligence and not all the pussy footing around, chump.

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Originally Posted by baddog

There is more to adult than the Internet and video, XBIZ covers them all. As far as an XBIZ poll being the reason .XXX passed, posts on GFY were cited as well. As far as opinions of XBIZ.net and/or XBIZ.com being the polar opposite of GFY, this surprises you?

No two boards that I can recall were ever like another. They all have their own personalities.

Polls on GFY were not cited and polls here would not have been used because it was 90% against.

the xbiz poll was a HUGE factor and ONLY thing they pointed to as evidence that the sponsoring community was in favor of .xxx

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Originally Posted by **********

I would tend to disagree with you. The XBiz awards are the biggest (only?) award and ceremony that covers online entertainment, innovation and technology. Companies like CCBill and Segpay won because let's face it, they deserve it. They are always on top of their game. In the video chat category, MFC beat us and Video Secrets this year. No surprise, they are really good at what they do.

Winning an Xbiz award is very good for business. Our sales went up over 200% since we won ours. Customers even told us that they choose us over our competitors because of the Xbiz award.

There's even a little something more. If you know that you have a chance of being nominated or winning, it gives you a little personal kick in the butt to try harder in your business and to make your product as good as it can be. An award is a nice target to reach for.

So they pick the big, popular companies and give them awards. The awards are meanlingless and a scam. They are giving out stupid awards so people like you get all jacked up about them, put the banners on your site and feed them back free traffic.

After the way they have acted with the dot xxx stuff I am surprised you people still would want anything that xbiz is apart of.

Mark your sales didn't go up because you won an xbiz award. You sales went up, and you happened to win a xbiz award. I can promise you the two events are not related and it was just a coincidence. I am sure there are a 100 other factors that are more likely to have caused your sales to go up.

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Originally Posted by GonZo

Circle the wagons.

Yeap! the same shit was being said for Mr. Mallick before the shoe dropped. I am not surprised.

NETbilling · 05-14-2011, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

I like this kind of attitude. Wish I was more like that myself.

Thanks much!

JFK · 05-15-2011, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

What in the hell does GFY have to do with Anything???

You said xbiz was a viable company and would be one of the last ones standing in ADULT. Not on GFY, but all of adult. Why do you keep mentioning that xbiz has a lot of adult advertisers that don't post on GFY. I never said or implied otherwise. I think any idiot would know that is a fact and it has nothing to do with anything here.

You are such a little pussy. You make one simple statement on here that xbiz is some great company that is going to out last all of adult, when adult is a ghost town xbiz will still be going strong. I simply said that I disagree and ask you why you think that and you go and get all fucking stupid and out in left field with your responses... by replying back with retarded shit like " but but did you get a copy of the xbiz mag!" and " dumbass not all companies in adult post on GFY". My god you are fucking stupid with those responses as they have nothing to do with anything.

Continue to dodge the question and I will continue to point out how you are a fucking idiot until you answer it with some intelligence and not all the pussy footing around, chump.

Polls on GFY were not cited and polls here would not have been used because it was 90% against.

the xbiz poll was a HUGE factor and ONLY thing they pointed to as evidence that the sponsoring community was in favor of .xxx

So they pick the big, popular companies and give them awards. The awards are meanlingless and a scam. They are giving out stupid awards so people like you get all jacked up about them, put the banners on your site and feed them back free traffic.

After the way they have acted with the dot xxx stuff I am surprised you people still would want anything that xbiz is apart of.

Mark your sales didn't go up because you won an xbiz award. You sales went up, and you happened to win a xbiz award. I can promise you the two events are not related and it was just a coincidence. I am sure there are a 100 other factors that are more likely to have caused your sales to go up.

Yeap! the same shit was being said for Mr. Mallick before the shoe dropped. I am not surprised.

and the XBIZ Mr Negativity Award goes to ............................

adultchatpay · 05-15-2011, 12:44 AM

even Nostradamus predicted this

$tandaman · 05-15-2011, 09:29 AM

I can concur what Mark is saying that winning(and even being nominated for a) xbiz award increases your exposure, and leads directly to new sales. While i can't comment on xbiz's financial position, as i am not in the know, i can attest to our successful campaign for AdultCentro in participating in Xbiz advertising, and shows.

As Ron said, Xbiz was created on a blank slate, when Alec had no prior experience of publishing (i know of) and when Xbiz came out i really thought they were crazy trying to compete with AVN, who was #1 by all standards at the time, but i think they have successfully carved a piece of market for themselves. I subscribe and read all xbiz news, because i want to stay on top of what's going on in the industry, and the news that come out of the Xbiz seem to be more up to date then they are from AVN (as far as online is concerned) at the moment.

I think having more then 1 Trade magazine/powerhouse is healthy, and is positive for the industry, because it leads to innovation.. we all know what happens when there is a monopoly, as it was defacto with avn/internext, and we saw where that ended up.. they became lazy and stagnant and were in the gutter until Theo and Panos came in to shake things up.

So time will tell what will happen with Xbiz, but i think if they were to go out of biz, it would only hurt our industry as a whole, so i won't be rooting for that.

2intense · 05-15-2011, 09:39 AM

bye bye

will76 · 05-15-2011, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JFK

and the XBIZ Mr Negativity Award goes to ............................

Oh yeah yeah!! I am so excited!!! I want to thank the adult industry for nominating me and voting me as #1. This is such an honor! I am so excited. I can't want to put my award in my sig. My sales will triple now!!

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Originally Posted by $tandaman

I can concur what Mark is saying that winning(and even being nominated for a) xbiz award increases your exposure, and leads directly to new sales. While i can't comment on xbiz's financial position, as i am not in the know, i can attest to our successful campaign for AdultCentro in participating in Xbiz advertising, and shows.

As Ron said, Xbiz was created on a blank slate, when Alec had no prior experience of publishing (i know of) and when Xbiz came out i really thought they were crazy trying to compete with AVN, who was #1 by all standards at the time, but i think they have successfully carved a piece of market for themselves. I subscribe and read all xbiz news, because i want to stay on top of what's going on in the industry, and the news that come out of the Xbiz seem to be more up to date then they are from AVN (as far as online is concerned) at the moment.

I think having more then 1 Trade magazine/powerhouse is healthy, and is positive for the industry, because it leads to innovation.. we all know what happens when there is a monopoly, as it was defacto with avn/internext, and we saw where that ended up.. they became lazy and stagnant and were in the gutter until Theo and Panos came in to shake things up.

So time will tell what will happen with Xbiz, but i think if they were to go out of biz, it would only hurt our industry as a whole, so i won't be rooting for that.

you people who win their awards really do drink the kool-aid. Kind of like the people who blew Sleazy after he did an ambush interview for them. I guess the saying is true, show someone a little flattery they will blow you. Thankfully, I don't want anyone here to blow me lol.

merina0803 · 05-15-2011, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Alprazolam

get back in the fucking shadowy corner you hide in now scum bag. there are many here that are going to make sure that you do not deliver your agenda.

vsex · 05-15-2011, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RonC

But I can tell you for a fact that CCbill will do more processing this year than any year EVER. I don?t know numbers but I would guess that XBIZ will do the Same.

Ron Cadwell
CEO
______________
CCbill.com
Cavecreek.com

Hey Ron,
Just curious, do you mean CCbill will do more processing overall than any year ever or more processing on the Adult side than any year ever? Just want to be clear on what you meant.

Thank you.

merina0803 · 05-15-2011, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RonC

Pornless I am suprised by this post.

In MY OPINION which is not worth that much. I am pretty sure my post count is below 100 so I qualify for a newbie. I have been EXTREMLEY impressed by how xbiz has Created an industry magazine, then created 2 VERY successful trade shows. Then created the BEST INTERENT related AWARdS show EVER. This last years show was truly Hollywood style. I WAS VERY proud to be at involved in the show and really felt like the Adult INTERENT side of the business had be recognized. I see all the numbers and people say that the adult internet side is dying. But I can tell you for a fact that CCbill will do more processing this year than any year EVER. I don’t know numbers but I would guess that XBIZ will do the Same. So before you decide to count Alex and Moe out it would think twice MY TWO CENTS

Ron Cadwell
CEO
______________
CCbill.com
Cavecreek.com

xxx bromance

Atticus · 05-15-2011, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JFK

and the XBIZ Mr Negativity Award goes to ............................

I think it's more like the 'XBIZ Stating the fucking obvious award'

I'm also curious on how XBIZ will be one of the last adult companies standing when the adult industry is a ghost town. They are a trade publication and trade show company that depends on the health of the industry to survive. If they are one of the 'last viable adult companies left' in this ghost town who is going to be placing the ads in their publications or going to their shows?

And it's pretty obvious XBIZ helped to pass .XXX with a bogus poll citing industry wide support. The only question that has yet to be answered (and not denied either) is what does XBIZ and Helmy receive for their support?

It's also obvious that The XBIZ awards are one giant circle jerk. 10-20 companies get nominated in a single category. Wonder why? Because if only 3-5 were nominated only 3-5 sites would run the prestigious XBIZ official nominee badge and advertise XBIZ for free. It's one big ass-lick-athon which is fine but let's not go around pretending it's not.

$5 submissions · 05-15-2011, 03:48 PM

Any timeline to this prediction?

JustDaveXxx · 05-15-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by merina0803

xxx bromance

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-15-2011, 04:33 PM

Is it gettin hot in here?

nikki99 · 05-15-2011, 05:54 PM

I hope not, they seems to be nice people more than avn

Vendzilla · 05-15-2011, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Maybe next time you could fit a few more double and triple negatives into a single sentence.

Actually, that goes to show what little you know & talking out of your ass on this one.

Many of the companies buying ad space in XBIZ are not even represented on forums or GFY. You seem to suffer from the belief you think that GFY represents the adult industry as a whole. It doesn't. There are literally hundreds of companies that advertise in their trade you never would know about if your rely on GFY for your information. Many never post here.

This is one of the things that always makes me laugh about people who do not bother to read the trades, or go to any of the conferences, and talk like they have the pulse of this industry and the companies within it.

You are really out of touch with many of the things going on with the bigger companies. While you are worrying about tubes every day in the latest Paul Markham dead horse thread, arguing about politics, and the color of Obsama's skid marks after being shot. Real business is getting done. A lot of it never even gets mentioned on the forums.

The boards in general are way behind what is actually going on, and most of the topics focus all of their time and energy on is not even on the radar of those paying for ad space in XBIZ. If you rely on GFY to keep up with all of the changes, and innovations going on within this industry, you are clueless.

I doubt the pontificating of Will76 and Paul Markham on GFY about tube sites, industry conspiracies, and their thoughts on life, are keeping Larry Flynt or Steve Hirsch up at night. At best, the small fries and piss ants will be out of this industry, leaving it to the conglomerates who actually have money. Brazzer's is a prime example of a company not hurting for business as easy shown by their different big dollar acquisitions.

Anyway, I will leave you to it Markham Jr.. Like many threads, you've made up your mind and will fight endlessly about it with long Gettysburg address opinions. Enjoy.

You're right, you can post on every forum and hit most of the conventions and read the trades and still not have a full grasp of what's going on. I have a client that doesn't post anywhere and you have probably never heard of him, yet your jaw would hit the floor if you knew how much traffic he moves every day.

What people read on the forums is just a snapshot of whats going on, reading the hardcopy of xbiz every month will educate you a lot more.. Did I mention I'm on the cover of XbizWorld for April? LMAO

will76 · 05-15-2011, 10:08 PM

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I think it's more like the 'XBIZ Stating the fucking obvious award'

I'm also curious on how XBIZ will be one of the last adult companies standing when the adult industry is a ghost town. They are a trade publication and trade show company that depends on the health of the industry to survive. If they are one of the 'last viable adult companies left' in this ghost town who is going to be placing the ads in their publications or going to their shows?

thank you. And that is all I was saying to barefootsie idiot. Basic common sense. It doesn't add up. But his reply was " There is more to the adult industry than GFY" and " but but but did you get a copy of their hard mag?"

WTF that matters or has to do with anything I don't know. But like I said, and you said too, they rely ON the adult industry for viewers and advertisers. With out viewers there is no value for the advertisers. And with no viewers and no advertisers (adult is a ghost town) then how in the fuck they going to stay in business much less be one of the last viable companies??? And t hat is the way things are heading right now. If your business model relies on ad dollars from adult companies you in a world of hurt as so many companies are either going out of business or cutting back on expenses.

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And it's pretty obvious XBIZ helped to pass .XXX with a bogus poll citing industry wide support. The only question that has yet to be answered (and not denied either) is what does XBIZ and Helmy receive for their support?

It's also obvious that The XBIZ awards are one giant circle jerk. 10-20 companies get nominated in a single category. Wonder why? Because if only 3-5 were nominated only 3-5 sites would run the prestigious XBIZ official nominee badge and advertise XBIZ for free. It's one big ass-lick-athon which is fine but let's not go around pretending it's not.

I concur 100%, nice to see other intelligent people on here who can pick up on common sense and see past all of the bullshit. Surprisingly enough, most people don't get it.

drx · 05-15-2011, 10:11 PM

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Barefootsies · 05-15-2011, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You're right.

What people read on the forums is just a snapshot of whats going on, reading the hardcopy of xbiz every month will educate you a lot more..

Summed up nicely, and so spot on.

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Did I mention I'm on the cover of XbizWorld for April? LMAO

I did indeed.

carzygirls · 05-15-2011, 10:55 PM

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Pornless I am suprised by this post.

In MY OPINION which is not worth that much. I am pretty sure my post count is below 100 so I qualify for a newbie. I have been EXTREMLEY impressed by how xbiz has Created an industry magazine, then created 2 VERY successful trade shows. Then created the BEST INTERENT related AWARdS show EVER. This last years show was truly Hollywood style. I WAS VERY proud to be at involved in the show and really felt like the Adult INTERENT side of the business had be recognized. I see all the numbers and people say that the adult internet side is dying. But I can tell you for a fact that CCbill will do more processing this year than any year EVER. I don?t know numbers but I would guess that XBIZ will do the Same. So before you decide to count Alex and Moe out it would think twice MY TWO CENTS

Ron Cadwell
CEO
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CCbill.com
Cavecreek.com

I just got a wood reading that... mispelled, passionate, who cares what you were saying... point is it was real.

Now all you need to do is fire PaulK for going into clients join forms and single handily changing them for the worse without notification and totally biased as he let other "bigger" clients get away with the same ;)

jimmycooper · 05-16-2011, 12:00 AM

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I doubt it. They provide a superior product in their trade mag compared to the others. Who knows what all they have cooking under the hood. But they certainly do not appear to be hurting for money.

I would say it's more realistic that they will be one of the last viable companies standing in the next 12-24 months when adult is a ghost town. But I suppose time will tell, as it always does, in such things.

Well said.

AdPatron · 05-16-2011, 05:55 PM

My thinking if 5 years till they're completely gone, hopefully shorter.

Atticus · 05-16-2011, 07:38 PM

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Well said.

Maybe you can answer the question for us then, since the person you quoted has avoided it.

How will XBiz be one of the last viable companies standing when adult is a 'ghost town' in 12-24 months? They are a trade publication and show organizer that depends on the health of the industry to survive. Who's going to buy ad space in their publication or sponsor the shows or attend for that matter?

I know it's fun to blindly ass kiss but please tell me what I'm missing. Where will their revenue come from and what do they do besides the trade mag and shows?

will76 · 05-16-2011, 08:52 PM

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Well said.

Really and *WHY* do you think so?

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Originally Posted by Atticus

Maybe you can answer the question for us then, since the person you quoted has avoided it.

How will XBiz be one of the last viable companies standing when adult is a 'ghost town' in 12-24 months? They are a trade publication and show organizer that depends on the health of the industry to survive. Who's going to buy ad space in their publication or sponsor the shows or attend for that matter?

I know it's fun to blindly ass kiss but please tell me what I'm missing. Where will their revenue come from and what do they do besides the trade mag and shows?

He wont, he will probably come back with something lame like " but did you get a hard copy of the mag". Maybe we need the hardcopy of the mag and a special decoder pen to stay on the same level of these guys in the "in".

But seriously, apparently the people who think that bullshit do so because they think Xbiz is "cool" or something. Obviously none of them can give an intelligent reason to explain WHY they think they will still be IN business when everyone else in adult goes OUT of business.

Fletch XXX · 05-16-2011, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You're right, you can post on every forum and hit most of the conventions and read the trades and still not have a full grasp of what's going on.

will76 · 05-16-2011, 08:59 PM

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6 lines of text in your sig, congrats on breaking the rules chump.

Barefootsies · 05-16-2011, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

Really and *WHY* do you think so?

will76 · 05-16-2011, 09:18 PM

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ah they have a big bone, well it is all clear now. Fuck I know I should have known that, when all of adult is a ghost town and xbiz is still in business and kicking ass it will be because of their big bone. Sorry noob mistake on my part. Thanks for clearing that up champ.

GAMEFINEST · 05-16-2011, 09:23 PM

xbiz for life...

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05-14-2011, 07:25 PM	#64
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05-15-2011, 09:29 AM	#76
$tandaman Pimping 8EZ Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: New Jersey Posts: 3,528	I can concur what Mark is saying that winning(and even being nominated for a) xbiz award increases your exposure, and leads directly to new sales. While i can't comment on xbiz's financial position, as i am not in the know, i can attest to our successful campaign for AdultCentro in participating in Xbiz advertising, and shows. As Ron said, Xbiz was created on a blank slate, when Alec had no prior experience of publishing (i know of) and when Xbiz came out i really thought they were crazy trying to compete with AVN, who was #1 by all standards at the time, but i think they have successfully carved a piece of market for themselves. I subscribe and read all xbiz news, because i want to stay on top of what's going on in the industry, and the news that come out of the Xbiz seem to be more up to date then they are from AVN (as far as online is concerned) at the moment. I think having more then 1 Trade magazine/powerhouse is healthy, and is positive for the industry, because it leads to innovation.. we all know what happens when there is a monopoly, as it was defacto with avn/internext, and we saw where that ended up.. they became lazy and stagnant and were in the gutter until Theo and Panos came in to shake things up. So time will tell what will happen with Xbiz, but i think if they were to go out of biz, it would only hurt our industry as a whole, so i won't be rooting for that. __________________ CentroProfits.com - Make money with 3000+ Models! ModelCentro.com - Multiple award winning hosted CMS designed to run solo model sites, with affiliate program built in. Launch your model site in 24 hrs or less! FanCentro.com - Premium social network for SWs & Fans!

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