will76

1. I love seeing you exposed for who you are.
2. I love seeing you acting like a child.
3. I love seeing you waste so much time on me.

now please carry on....

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will76

But Farrell was doing business with Pornhub before "you" bought the site. And Farrell said it was all lies and no one had any proof that the previous owners ever uploaded content to pornhub themselves. So it must be true, that the previous owners couldn't have done it...

Then answer me this... so they launched a tube site with no videos and the first couple surfers to hit a site with no videos, helped them out and went out and stole a bunch of content and uploaded it to pornhub for them.

Day 1: site empty
Day 2: first surfer hits empty site, and instead of leaving "he" uploads tons of content...

suuurrrrreee. I believe that. All of that stolen content that was on these sites from the very first couple days, that wasn't the site owners filling it up with content so they could launch that was the first couple surfers hitting the site and felt sorry for them because they didn't have any videos up so they helped them out.

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DWB

It's too late to try to catch anyone now. Everyone came to the fight too late. They should have jumped on it as soon as it started and they would have caught many of them red handed.

I honestly don't know if any large tube is doing this today or not, but they all started that way and based their business on flat out theft of everyone's content, including yours and mine. Now they have all the traffic, they don't have to break the rules anymore. It was a very well executed plan.

But to be fair, many pay sites stole content back in the day to get started then went legit later. Dog Fart comes to mind. The difference is, they didn't destroy everyone's business along the way. What they did was small in comparison to what has taken place now. But... they did go legit and all of that is forgotten. Now the tubes have done the same thing and have reputable people like yourself vouching for them to legitimize their existence. And it works because people have short memories. In just a little while longer, no one will even remember them as being bad and will be paying them to load their videos.

It's a strange business.

And for what it's worth, if I had uploaders in various parts of the world who were paid to steal videos and upload to my tubes, how would you catch them? How could anyone ever catch them? You couldn't. It is impossible. If anyone does have their own uploaders these days, they are not all sitting in the same office with ties to a company. They are well spread out. It is impossible to catch them this way. And though no one can prove it, this is the only logical explanation for uploaders who are loading 1000s of videos within such a short amount of time. I've done the math on some of these uploaders and they have to be uploading 18 hours a day, every day, for months straight. And that doesn't even count stealing the videos. Who can do this every day, for months on end, if it's not their job? In some cases, they have been uploading for 2 years straight!

At some point common sense has to step in and shine the light on the obvious.

I know you disagree with this, and that's OK. No need to debate it more, just chiming in with a little common sense. Neither of us can prove anything going either direction, however, it doesn't hurt to look back to see where they came from to get a better idea of who you're dealing with.

Nathan

will76, are you really this stupid?

You know, although this is a hard thing to grasp, there is actually a way to buy licenses to content and upload it to your sites and let others watch it...

It's a rather complicated concept for a cam-guy, I get that, but its not THAT hard...

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Nathan

DWB, if you hold a grudge forever, even after someone else owns the site, then so be it, it would be annoying to do business with you either way if you are this unforgiving... can't help it...

There are other possible reasons for what you see btw, I am not going to sit here and explain them to you though since you won't believe it anyway, so useless waste of time... and that's me saying that, who seems to waste time on here all the time..

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Juicy D. Links

I gotta read this thread from the start seems like a juicy thread

DWB

We both know what happened in the past and I know you can not comment on it. I wouldn't expect you to. It's easier just to say... Mansef did all the dirty work and Manwin reaps all the rewards.

Regarding what is happening today, who knows man. You guys have some extremely busy users. But to be totally honest, I'm not that concerned about WHO is loading it anymore. I'm past that. I'm more concerned about removing it and trying to prevent others from stealing my latest updates.

will76

ah right, so the people they "bought" content from where the same ones bitching that they content was stolen and listed on their site....

Surely if it was all purchased content someone could say who they bought from. Tube sites these days... sure 99% of them are either using sponsor's approved content or they buying content... you know why, because content is so fucking cheap now it is practically given away... you know why it's so cheap because the tube sites who stole so much content 3-4 years ago and killed sales for pay sites which then killed the content producers. Who wants to spend so much money producing "exclusive content" just to have it all , full length on a tube site 10 mins later for the world to see for free.

I know all of this is complicated for a front man, so if you need me to slow it down for you just let me know.

Find me 1 content producer who sold his content back in 2007 with a license for a tube site to then take all of that content and put it all up full length in public areas... LOL license like that didn't exist back then. Now the content guys will do that because they need sales and dont care any more but that didn't happen back in 2007.

Also, you really expect people to believe that a tube site would pay thousands of dollars so they could launch their site "legit" when their whole model is focused on stolen content??? Why wouldn't they just let the "users" upload it all for free, why would they pay tons of money to get a lot of content and the ability the license to be able to give it all away full length in non members area when they could get it all for free. Are you really that fucking stupid ?

So lets see what we learned in this thread so far....

Nathan thinks all tube sites started off with purchased content and Farrell thinks all cam sites shave.

congrats top the winners....

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Roald

Will, really I used to like your posts and read them with joy and all but fuck man lately you sound like a broken (Paul M.) record. Really what do you want to achieve with this? You want to hear him say they uploaded content themself, that they bought AVN, that they are behind the assassination of JFK?

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will76

i originally started this thread to see what other people think and if they would continue to post on GFY.

If they bought AVN, (which bought GFY) yeah I would like to know that.

JFK is dead, oh shit... who is going to fill in for him with the "50" spot posts....

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Roald

You should really put your time and energy in your projects or whatever it is you do. After 9 pages its getting a bit same same don't you think ;)

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DWB

I wouldn't say it's holding a grudge, it's more like not forgetting who you're dealing with and where everyone came from.

Fool me once....

Like it or not, you inherited some of Mansef's bad reputation. You can't just do an owner swap and all is forgiven, then expect everyone to pretend nothing ever happened. Most of the people will forget soon enough, but that day hasn't come yet.

DWB

Mark this day down on your calender because it won't happen again, but....

Nathan is correct. At least for Pornhub, they (Mansef) did license a shit load of content for that site. I know this for fact because they tried to license mine and I know others who sold them a license for a lot of DVDs.

They (Mansef) just happened to also be uploading stolen content at the same time.

theking

This is what he does...he doesn't have a business and doesn't have any known projects. The couple I ever knew about ended up failing and I think they are not even online anymore...but I could be mistaken.

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Have you thought about getting these for your employees, to increase production and not worry with the number of toilets.

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Far-L

lol, thanks... I felt just like Natalie Portman's character at the end of "Black Swan" when I was writing it.

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RycEric

I'd love to know where the licensing came from this site.
http://www.pornhubhentai.com/

Agent 488

like everyones hands are clean. the same people who defended and ended up justifying more traffic being sent to a credit card raping organization are posting in this thread. gimme a fucking break.

as an aside, if you can't figure out why some non-manwin person would flood the tubes with movies just shows how clueless you are. go sell shoes or something.

Far-L

Kissing?

No, we prefer to go straight to anal fisting. That is what true love is all about, right?

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Agent 488

plenty of sites are using pornhub in their site name, does not mean they are manwin. you should know that.

RycEric

Did I say manwin? I said I'd love to see where the licensing came from.

Far-L

Funny... couldn't you have just quoted what I actually said instead?

I said we had no difficulties getting our stuff removed promptly therefore they were never an issue that we needed to press further. Live with it. Quit whining about it.

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will76

I believe you. I am obviously wrong about them buying content to launch the site. Who did they buy from? All the content people I talked to and bought from even as recent as 2 years ago would go ape shit if you posted the full length content you bought (err licensed) from them. And I even asked for license to allow clips to be displayed for longing that a couple minutes and it sounded like none of them wanted to do it. Now, its different obviously, curious to see who the content guy was back in 2007 who was cool with letting people display full length scenes in public areas.

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will76

all cam sites shave eh?

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Half man, Half Amazing

238 strikes and you're not out? Exactly how many infringements are users given before they are considered repeat infringers Fabian?

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theking

He did not say that...now did he?

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leave me out of this

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arock10

so, 9 pages. are the manwin rumors true?

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looky_lou

I think they are.

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ShellyCrash

Fabian is never going to pony up and come clean, but regardless we all know what the company was built on.

At this point the conversation has become almost like trying to pull the beard off a mall santa. You can pester, poke and prod him all day but he's never going to admit he's not santa claus, and to what avail- everyone knows he's paid to play pretend anyway.

I guess it's up to Will how long he wants to taunt him.

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Nathan

DWB, of course, I would never expect people to forgive and forget everything. I had a choice to buy this or not and I chose to do so, that it has a certain impact with some people, is completely normal.

My continuous posting here is obviously helping though since even you have stepped away from the continuous conspiracy nut job logic you were representing just a few months ago... I can actually discuss things with you in a logical manner without you going of on some freaky conspiracy campaign...

Many others here I simply ignore, since they only talk gibberish bullshit...

Anyway, I will continue to post here, and at some point more and more people will believe me and accept that I own this... even if they do not understand how I did it.. Good thing being, that I have no need to explain it to anyone...

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DWB

One thing to keep in mind is that when they license content, it's usually in bulk. Lots of content. I know they went to various DVD studios and made deals for many of their titles to use across their sites.

Keep in mind, this was a while ago and well before the shit hit the fan so to speak so most of the studios had no idea who they were licensing to at that time and really how it was going to be used, and those who did needed the money as the DVD industry has been in serious decline for several years now. And of course, some studios will whore out their content to ANYONE, like Combat Zone. And given the current state of things in porn valley, most of them would continue to license to them as they desperately need any money they can get. But I'm sure, regardless of their desperation, there was a LOT of face palming going on inside some of the studios once they figured everything out.

So while there are countless content producers who did get ripped off, there are a handful of large studios who more or less gave them the keys to their library. And you also have to think, it's not just PornHub or their other tubes, they also have MovieBox.com, which has something like 40,000+ licensed scenes.

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theking

So...you are saying they Mansef had the ability to seed their tube sites with their own content...using their own uploaders...before they launched the sites? Which means that stolen content could in fact have been uploaded by users and not their own uploaders?

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omgt

this is right,
if you look at the archive of pornhub, all the first few videos are/were short (i.e. 1 minute) videos (which was very long at the time)
but these were obviously uploaded by the owners, i.e. (wait till it gets some decent traffic then we'll add some longer ones - as it was climbing up the serps for "porn" for a while) its impossible that every uploader would only upload 1 minute videos

omgt

theres more here :-


"Also the way their user profile system works is that as you sign up you are given a number in the order that you signed up. Dice is user #30, Pornhub Parties is 490,000 something. So just outta curiousity, I decided to see who was #1, #2, etc.

#1 is a user named “dwarakanath” So I decided to go look at some of the 1200+ videos that this guy has uploaded. I decided to check out his earliest uploads. All of them have affiliate code links on them…for….wait for it…..Brazzers. Even though the clips are not even Brazzers movies! Apparently dwarakanath helps run the site as well, as he left this comment on another profile:"

http://takedownpiracy.com/2010/01/co...nd-tube-sites/

cam_girls

Thanks for the useful info!

shade001

I came to this thread pretty late but yeah, I'd keep posting here if Manwin owned the forum. GFY has never been known for integrity or business ethics since I've been an adult webmaster and I hardly expect better in the years to come.

19teenporn

Of course i would. I don't give a fuck who owns the board.

Also i don't hate others just cause they are successfull