Fabian has been caught out talking bullshit over and over again. Even a basic question like how many toilets in the office caught him out.

He has a site that lives off piracy. Even though Youtube removes all clips of serial offenders he gives up bullshit about talking to his lawyer. Then can't tell us the outcome. And won't remove pirated content from repeat offenders.

He said Brazzers spend as much on a porn scene as Vivid, or was it Wicked? I've seen the content and that's clearly not true. Or he's paying well over the odds. Or Vivid are producing crap content these days.

He told me in an email that the sites retention is the highest in the industry. How does he know? Based on what I saw I doubt it. The content is nothing special that would keep people as members. Many sites have better.

He ridiculed my estimate for floor space. Then saw where I could confirm my estimate and changed his mind. In all my years of dealing with office installations the boss knew how many people he employed and the size of the offices. He clearly doesn't.

On a thread about conversion ratios Brazzers support rep said that if you work with them that can improve ratios. 10%, 50% or 100%? From what others posted their ratios would need to improve far far better. The way the rep was talking it sounded like they had a magic button to press. Maybe it was Fabian posting as the bullshit meter was off the scale.

I have no idea of the real size of Manwin. And neither does anyone else. Because we've had nothing solid, except the posts of a person who clearly makes mistakes when posting.

arock10. It was a good question and one anyone who works in the office would know.

Aren't we all fucking pimps? :pimp

I have always been aware how clueless you are about almost every subject you have talked about...but I was not aware that you are also a fruitcake.

Bullshit.

Yeah paul, lol.. you kick ass..

here is your tiny toilet flaw:

1) I do not work in Manwin Canada office, I live in Europe. I go there once every few months.
2) I have no idea how many toilets are in the lady's room... and I am not goign to ask someone such a stupid q...
3) We have 3 floors, you think I have some reason to go to the toilet on each floor?

Freak...

Regarding the other crap:
1) I tell you as much or as little about whatever the heck I want, we are not a public company, we have no reason to tell you more
2) Everyone likes different content, you clearly do not get that, do we spend a lot on it: yes; might we spend too much: also yes, but we do so to keep our producers as happy as possible. They clearly make more money than you do though ;)
3) I did not change my mind on floor space, I still think 17.25sqm is extreme, we have 14sqm per person counting everything, but I would not count everything and did not know how much you did count either... I calculated our amount based on the docs I have and get to 14 as I said (and we still have empty spots scattered around the floors, so it would be even lower when 100% filled)
4) we spend a ton of money on affiliates each month, accept it or do not, see if I care
5) You just do not get that I am neither the CEO of Manwin Canada nor do I work in that office 100% of my time, that part seems really really hard for you to get. I own the company. The difference is not that hard to grasp.

Not to defend the piracy... but Youtube did NOT do a very good job for several years. They even got sued over it, several times. Only after YEARS of working on the technology, did they reach the level they are at today. And.... the law says all that is required of Youtube (or any tube) is that they 'attempt' to improve filtering. Not stop it today, tomorrow, or next week... just 'attempt' to improve on it.

I knew my office space was about 18k sq feet, I couldn't tell you exactly what it was, I can't even tell you exactly what it cost us each month - I know it was about $25k a month, but not the exact amount. I know we had male and female bathrooms, I couldn't tell you how many stalls we had, at that I NEVER used those bathrooms, I had my own. Unless someone recently told me, I couldn't tell you how many staff we had and normally I didn't know the names of a few people.

The best part... I didn't have to know any of it. I just had to ask the person thats job was to know.

And your floor estimate was stupid - Nathan didn't build the damn building.



And really... who cares if Manwin is 5m a year, 510 or 500 million a year? It makes no difference.

It is quiet apparent that in his old age someone has turned his pilot light off. He is now not only clueless but is also loony.

lol, ok. I am sorry. I use words that are too big for you to understand. I will try to keep it simpler and not use confusing things like sarcasm or wit too since I know you have difficulty with it.

Try this Hippocrate76:

See Hippocrate76 spam cams.
Cams make money.
See Cam companies accused of shaving models.
All cam companies get accused of shaving.
Shaving is bad.
See Hippocrate76 not care. Hippocrate76 makes money with cams.
Hippocrate76 likes money. Hippocrate76 does not care if he is called a hippocrate.
Everyone else is bad. Everyone else is wrong
Hippocrate76 is good. He is right. You are wrong.

:321GFY:321GFY:321GFY

You are still pathetic for starting such a whiny little bitch of a thread. No way around that; and taking shots at my writing style or whatever is not only not going to change that fact - it is going to prove that you are just a sniveling, catty, whiny, whimpering, snide, persnickity, little pussywillow.

Go find a new sandbox crybaby :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

And you never use the toilets. :1orglaugh

The same toilet access would be on every floor. That's how they build office blocks. :winkwink:

As for content, I was not judging it on the style. I was judging it on the ability of the shooters to shoot decent porn, on how individual it is and your comment about how much you spend. I would judge no more than $2k a scene. It's dull repetitive, faked and poorly shot.

Want me to upload some of the scenes I downloaded from Brazzers?

As for your shooters earning as much as we did. More bullshit and if you had a clue about the porn industry you would know it. No custom shooter for the Internet gets or got $3,000 for a solo girl scene. That was the norm for us.

Bullshit meter off the scale again.

Really? I find that unbelievable.

That's called demand.... Far more girls willing to strip down today than 20-30 years ago, thus the prices are lower.

A good big dick gay scene will still cost at least $5k today and it cost $5k+ back 15 years ago too. It's just as hard to find a hung big dick guy today as it was 15 years ago.

Paul, you prove you're clueless over and over again.. its rather funny.. its rather sad that you continue saying the same crap although PLENTY of other people are saying you are wrong, and most of them are people that do not particularly like Manwin.

You can claim how often you want that our content sucks, if it does or not in your eyes does not matter anyway! What matters is that our members love it!

No, that's called supply :winkwink:

Paul, I dislike the shady side of their business model as much as you, but honestly man... toilets?

I used to have an office in the USA for a non-porn business. I paid people to run every aspect of it. While I knew numbers and made the final calls, I trusted those running it to take care of everything else. I couldn't tell you anything about the office other than where it was and that I was paying for it. Ran it that way for 10 years and that was how I liked it. I sold the business and it's still running today, 20 years later, and the new owner probably couldn't tell you anything about the office either.

If Nathan is the head honcho over there, he would have too much on his plate to worry about toilets and minor details. He pays others for that. You can't micro manage everything and continue to grow. I don't know if he is who he says he is or not, but if he is, I would expect him NOT to know those little details.



:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I'm ashamed to admit, I agree with you.


Of all the debates one could have regarding Manwin... toilets. :1orglaugh

really... thank god. You had me worried there for a minute. I wasn't sure if you would continue to post or not. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:upsidedow

LOL you post all of that and say I am the one who is "whiny"... :warning:helpme:upsidedow:1orglaugh idiot....


Who is this fucking moron??? Comparing ALL Cam sites of being "accused" of shaving vs tube sites being involved with illegal content.

Come on Far-L you making yourself look like an idiot here. Everyone knows that you blow the illegal tube sites because you need all of their traffic to stay in business. But to say that all cam sites shave???? lol.

paul maybe you will have more luck selling this:

http://www.affiliatescout.com/online-bathrooms.html

follow your bliss.

I dont care...

Mr Markham, it is pretty common that you delegate work, responsibilities and authority in mid-size companies.

Even if it is evident that Alzheimer's is slowly setting in and you prefer to rage about the number of toilets in some Canadian office building, it should not be that hard to understand that a company owner and/or CEO could not possibly be expected to micro-manage every aspect of a business.

300 Manwin Rumours :pimp

Or was that the number of toilets? :1orglaugh

This thread gets better each time I return! :thumbsup

man always win :)

Welcome back, have a manwich with a beer :drinkup

Here is everything you need to know about Far-L:








There you have it, pornhub does no wrong and Far-L approved. Actually he has no proof that they ever did anything wrong and doesn't know why everyone is picking on them so much.... blahahahaha what a fucking idiot.

i've got a fever, and the only cure, is more toliets. gotta have more toliets fellas.

it amazing you keep passing this bald face lie about and claim it as true

i produced a link of a video that was still up even though the entire account was suspended for "copyright infringement"

undeniable proof that youtube doesn't remove all the videos when they suspend an account

youtube covers their ass better than anyone, they don't take down shit unless they have someone else to blame, weather it be a law (kiddie porn, killing cats) or a valid dmca take down notice.

as i pointed out dmca safe harbor doesn't give immunity for taking down content it only gives transactional immunity for infringing. the liability for a false takedown is only transfered to the person making the takedown notice.

if youtube was to take down the videos without getting a notice there would be no one to transfer the liablity to, and therefore it would be on their shoulders.

youtube is not stupid they would accept that that why i could find an example of an account being suspended and still have a video left up still getting hits.

you having a shitty day ?? :Graucho

Agreed :2 cents:

Paul,

Do you think they have single flush or duel flush? I'm about to reno my washroom and wonder whats best.


http://livegreenstlouis.files.wordpr...07/08/toto.jpg

rofl YOU GUYS

"john" is going to be "pissed".

:2 cents:

I actually prefer cow bells.

i will the point again

TOS do not supercede the LAW

you tried to argue that nat could take down the content/ban a user for any reason because they said they could in the tos.

and i addressed that point before

eharmony got sued and lost because they banned gay people from their site, (by not allowing male seeking male.women seeking women signups) they even had a legitimate reason they had no idea 49 points of compatibility that worked for straight people would apply for gay people and it was not cost effective to test it out for only 10% of the population

even financial viability was not a valid defense against descrimination laws

bottom line if youtube was to remove all the videos i post , i would point to the one example of the video staying up and ask the question why is a white person videos allowed to stay up when their account was banned and they would lose and would pay out just as much damages as if they had said they did it because i was a hahahahahaha

bottom line nothing you are pointing to changes the fact that youtube does not remove the videos when they delete an account

they only take down the videos that have a violation that has been logged, weather that be a legally justified internal tos condition, a law or dmca takedown notice.

everything else stays up. and dscrimination laws guarrentee that example has to be universally applicable rule.

Seriously? I mean come on, what the hell is this dribble bullshit?

Unlike eharmony, all Youtube would have to do is prove where they left up one colored persons video, and your case would be lost. It's not like eharmony, not at all, even a tiny bit, not even if you twist it.

P.S. Youtube DOES delete the videos on banned accounts, otherwise my West Edmonton Riot videos from several years back would still be on Youtube. The first time, they just deleted the video, the second time they took down everything.

It isn't any different. I know you need help understanding so I will explain it and hopefully I won't use any words that you find too difficult.

You make blanket accusations against people that you have no proof against. Cam companies typically have similar unfounded accusations made against them. By reason of association you are "sucking the dick" of the cam companies who may or may not be taking advantage of affiliates and models, profiting off their intellectual property (performing on cam) without due compensation.

Post proof that you are not helping those folks get burned.

Post proof of tube content you know is "illegal". I am sure Pink Visuals would've loved to have it when they went after the tubes, but oh well... never too late right?

Post proof that you are not just a whiny little bitch. Oh, that's right... you started this thread so you already incriminated yourself there. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

BS. Your "proof" was the one and only movie by that uploader. If there were only one movie, removed for copyright reasons, then there couldnt be any movies left for you to "prove" what you claim :error

For safe harbor, learn it:

1. Repeated infringers must be booted.
2. "Good reasons to believe so" is legally justification to remove all movies (and generally required to keep safe harbor)
3. You won´t lose safe harbor for deleting content, stating the deletion is for any/other reason than infringements (DMCA also point this out)

Could not have said it better myself. Hopefully you never catch on to the fact that you are helping more than hurting me with all your tirades. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Thanks BRO!

Amazing, this threat keeps in top forever. I propose is made a specific area of GFY about Manwin debates, and ban these from main thread? :)

The photographer no more gets $3000 per solo maybe (I don't know how much Brazzers, RK or others pays for one), but some cam girls and their "studio boss" if any, can get in some cases more then $3000 per few hours (the time you needed for custom shoot) due to crazy tips or whales who pay $8+ a minute for hours - in certain cam sites. Of course I am talking of 50 out of 1000 models who are online in these cam sites, so 950 models do $50 per day only - is not an average but a top. But still that's lots "solo content" who is "shoot for internet" which is paid $3000+ from dozens of "producers".
Photographer is middlemen who is kicked out by the independent model, or, there's a studio guy in place of photographer - some my studio guys are photographers too.

BTW In what years $3000 was the norm? Solo girl scene was under $1000 for czech content providers around year 2000 and there was no tubes yet. Actually it was in 2003 that I decided to move from prerecorded content to live cams. I simply noticed in 2003 what you say now in 2011: prerecorded content pays so lower unless you work for a brazzers or rk or met-art or so, which can't hire everyone, like not all actors make $$.

I had your same concern, then what I done (but in 2003, not 2011) is I add in photo studios some good internet line, connect the videocam to pc's and put the girls online, first in existing cam sites then I built my cam sites too. Others who was in photo shooting changed style or customers or adapted in some way, I can't believe everyone who done photo shoots is now unemployed, they all must do $$ in some way.

You complain that by doing exactly the same of 1990's job, you no more do the same money, which is true (I agree with you, whatever the reason is tubes or not), but then what is the point? You say the whole world it should change rather than yourself to adapt? Let you have the magic power to let Manwin close all the own tube sites and join some Church due to mystical idealism. Let a dozen other tube companies do the same. Let the rapishare, hotfile etc. trading sites be all jailed for some Iran or North Korea laws that may be implemented worldwide. Let the interpol go arrest people using torrent p2p client form their personal homes. Do you really think this would be enough to have 1990's back completely? Actually there's so much amateur (so legal and legitimate) material around, and now there's even free legal live sex in sites like cam4 and myfreecams (and I will launch one of those live tube soon too), so you should also make illegal to just show pussy unless you're shoot by a content provider, this is again North Korea or Iran.

I think it is easier to write a book on history of porn, then when it comes to contemporary business, to make other considerations.

Actually I still cry for Commodore 64 and Amiga computers being out of market, I was doing very well there and everyone known and respected me, in another thread some old guys cry about how BBS's and IRC #Efnet it was cool, but that's history and not today's business, is just old times to talk about, and history material.
Sure I am not still using a Commodore Amiga, no more in BBS's or IRC channels, and not blaming Microsoft(manwin) or Bill Gates(Nathan?) for having caused all the bad of the universe. As well as I am not organizing shoot of content for launch teen sites anymore, altough someone does still so managed to adapt in some way, an dI cooperate with them by put live cam teens in their member area and it all works well for all of us.