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signupdamnit 01-15-2011 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Slutboat (Post 17846837)
Don't like him then fight back bitches, buncha fuckin schoolgirls.

That's what many of us have been doing for a long time. :2 cents:

Barefootsies 01-15-2011 09:33 AM

The POWA of the Dark Side
 
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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 17846824)
You actually take pride in being the complete and utter douche that you've shown yourself to be from day one.


DWB 01-15-2011 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 17846768)
I agree but I'm not convinced that the money is coming from the industry itself. Nathan says otherwise but I wonder who is really behind the scenes as you go higher up.

Don't be shocked when Boris and Vlad pop up somewhere within AVN. :2 cents:

signupdamnit 01-15-2011 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17846845)
I suspect that you are never going to know all that you want to know or even all that they own. It appears to me that their plans are to eat the little dogs until they are the largest dog on the block so it will probably become more and more difficult to avoid doing business with them...providing one intends to stay in the adult business world.

In addition many if not most of the existing companies started with shady practices and many if not most still have shady practices. I can not keep track of all of them so I really don't try to...but there are some companies that I will not do business with as I become aware of them...or the assholes involved with them.

I am only an affiliate and I only dabble with websites to occupy my time as I am retired...so I don't depend on any of it for a living...so none of it is of any real import to me.

I think there's a good chance of more government intervention into their activities but that's just my opinion because I get the feeling they are dirty. I also believe there's a good chance of them being successfully sued for their lax repeat offender policies. I believe there may potentially be some other damaging things which could come out in discovery as well. I think it's a matter of time. Again this is just my opinion. Even if none of the above happens, the industry changes. Laws and procedures change. The game might one day be up.

Django 01-15-2011 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17846533)
They first fucked the content producers,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a content producer.

Then they fucked the program owners,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a program owner.

Then they took all the traffic,
and I didn't speak up because I didn't deal in traffic.

Then they started fucking me,
and by that time no one was left to speak up so I had to go back to flipping burgers.


Barefootsies 01-15-2011 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17846753)
If getting business done means fucking everyone else in the business over and stealing from them

You mean like.....

1. Pre-Checked Cross Sales?
2. Banging Credit Cards?
3. Selling Customer Data?
4. Fucking Over Affiliates?
5. Merchant Account/MID Bouncing Scams?
6. Financing Hollywood Movies with Client's Funds?
7. Installing Scumware
8. Shaving

Oh right. We were talking about ONLY Brazzer's in this discussion. Not fucking over customers, affiliates, or more than a decade's worth of other bullshit that has went on in this industry.

My bad.
:upsidedow

woj 01-15-2011 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17846568)
Yep. Business is business.
:2 cents:

:thumbsup

topnotch, standup guy 01-15-2011 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17846860)
You mean like.....

1. Pre-Checked Cross Sales?
2. Banging Credit Cards?
3. Selling Customer Data?
4. Fucking Over Affiliates?
5. Merchant Account/MID Bouncing Scams?
6. Financing Hollywood Movies with Client's Funds?
7. Installing Scumware
8. Shaving

Oh right. We were talking about ONLY Brazzer's in this discussion. Not fucking over customers, affiliates, or more than a decade's worth of other bullshit that has went on in this industry.

My bad.
:upsidedow

And if you're cool with sucking Fabian's dick, you must have been fine with most, if not all, of the above.

Next.
.

Slutboat 01-15-2011 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17846844)
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels

Seriously, who is going to purchase a company right after the feds just froze 5.3 million dollars of that companies money?

Either no one, or a ex-programmer who just happened to be sitting on a cool 100 million. Which of course, according to all the programmers I know, is a usual amount to be sitting on for that profession. "Programming pays!" they all say as they party on their giant yachts while pouring Cristal over naked Cuban bitches as they dance to Biggie Smalls.

Bottom line is, I fucked up. I should have been a programmer. :2 cents:

really? you thinks Fabians background as a programmer has any bearing on what he has the ability to do right now? Or that 5.3 Mil chump change would slow his drive for aquisitions? He's the fucking Borg DWB, you will be assimilated.

Barefootsies 01-15-2011 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 17846894)
And if you're cool with sucking Fabian's dick

Sorry princess. I do not think I made mention of your apparent homosexual obsession.

Next.
:pimp

fris 01-15-2011 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17846800)
Actually I misread your post...but I suspect that the seizure is probably why ManSef started selling assets to ManWin but I also suspect there are some legal structuring that still involves the top echelon of ManSef...but I do not know that it should matter to anyone other than those involved in the structuring. The fact is ManWin exists...and all of the whining on this board is not going to change that.

and the fact that no bank in mtl wanted to deal with mansef had anything to do with it?

DWB 01-15-2011 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17846860)
You mean like.....

1. Pre-Checked Cross Sales?
2. Banging Credit Cards?
3. Selling Customer Data?
4. Fucking Over Affiliates?
5. Merchant Account/MID Bouncing Scams?
6. Financing Hollywood Movies with Client's Funds?
7. Installing Scumware
8. Shaving

Oh right. We were talking about ONLY Brazzer's in this discussion. Not fucking over customers, affiliates, or more than a decade's worth of other bullshit that has went on in this industry.

My bad.
:upsidedow


The industry is full of scum, but none of them have done the damage these dick heads have done.

Regardless of everything in your list, as shitty as it is, consumers would have always paid for porn in one fashion or another. Unless of course, someone gave them all the porn in the world for free. You simply can't recover from that. Not ever.


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Originally Posted by woj (Post 17846872)
:thumbsup

Hey WOJ, you're a programmer. A damn good one. Honest question: Would you say it is typical for a programmer to be in possession of 100+ million dollars?

will76 01-15-2011 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17846844)
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." - Joseph Goebbels

Seriously, who is going to purchase a company right after the feds just froze 5.3 million dollars of that companies money?

Either no one, or a ex-programmer who just happened to be sitting on a cool 100 million. Which of course, according to all the programmers I know, is a usual amount to be sitting on for that profession. "Programming pays!" they all say as they party on their giant yachts while pouring Cristal over naked Cuban bitches as they dance to Biggie Smalls.

Bottom line is, I fucked up. I should have been a programmer. :2 cents:

I hear all of the fun is being the "front man". You get all of the attention and get to pretend you own the company and everyone blows you for it. When in reality it is someone else's money which who knows what shady / illegal activities said money was generated from. Every "operation" needs a good front man.

Bryan G 01-15-2011 10:15 AM

Yes I would. Bitching about manwin is not going to do shit. Just get on with it and make yourself money and stopping moaning about shit you can't change.

Barefootsies 01-15-2011 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17846899)
Regardless of everything in your list, as shitty as it is, consumers would have always paid for porn in one fashion or another. Unless of course, someone gave them all the porn in the world for free.

You mean like torrents? Rapidshare? Sharing forums? TGPS? YouTube? Google images?

Among others right?
:upsidedow

lazycash 01-15-2011 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17846860)
You mean like.....

1. Pre-Checked Cross Sales?
2. Banging Credit Cards?
3. Selling Customer Data?
4. Fucking Over Affiliates?
5. Merchant Account/MID Bouncing Scams?
6. Financing Hollywood Movies with Client's Funds?
7. Installing Scumware
8. Shaving

Oh right. We were talking about ONLY Brazzer's in this discussion. Not fucking over customers, affiliates, or more than a decade's worth of other bullshit that has went on in this industry.

My bad.
:upsidedow

I like DWB, but he's being a bit hypocritical. When all of the I$ bullshit was going on (most on that list), he spent months here backing them up because they had bought content from him for years and his good buddy Glenn wouldn't possibly do something like he was being accused of. Even after dozens of affiliates across multiple boards came forward and said they hadn't been paid, even after people posted proof they had their cards banged by them and how they were involved in shady cross selling, DWB continued lambasting anyone here who spoke out against I$. Just sad that it took them eventually fucking over DWB for him to realize all of those early on affiliate claims were valid.

Caligari 01-15-2011 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17846860)
You mean like.....

1. Pre-Checked Cross Sales?
2. Banging Credit Cards?
3. Selling Customer Data?
4. Fucking Over Affiliates?
5. Merchant Account/MID Bouncing Scams?
6. Financing Hollywood Movies with Client's Funds?
7. Installing Scumware
8. Shaving

Oh right. We were talking about ONLY Brazzer's in this discussion. Not fucking over customers, affiliates, or more than a decade's worth of other bullshit that has went on in this industry.

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/1...dysdoingit.jpg

Nathan 01-15-2011 10:24 AM

One day someone will release details about the past 4 years and everyone thinking of conspiracy theories here and elsewhere about me and Manwin will feel utterly stupid and realize that they really had no clue about M&A transactions, the power of understanding business and financing and the importance of having good advisors, both legally and financially.

Regarding the secret service stuff, maybe the reason I bought Mansef assets regardless is: 1) I bought assets, not Mansef itself, and 2) I know more about the secret service seizure than is publically available knowledge? Maybe, just MAYBE in a deal of this size, I would have looked at the exact circumstances to the seizure, the reasoning to it?

All you conspiracy people think too small, you think no-risk, you will never get anywhere big in this industry...

To each their own...

Barefootsies 01-15-2011 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 17846914)
One day someone will release details about the past 4 years and everyone thinking of conspiracy theories here and elsewhere about me and Manwin will feel utterly stupid and realize that they really had no clue about M&A transactions, the power of understanding business and financing and the importance of having good advisors, both legally and financially.

Regarding the secret service stuff, maybe the reason I bought Mansef assets regardless is: 1) I bought assets, not Mansef itself, and 2) I know more about the secret service seizure than is publically available knowledge? Maybe, just MAYBE in a deal of this size, I would have looked at the exact circumstances to the seizure, the reasoning to it?

All you conspiracy people think too small, you think no-risk, you will never get anywhere big in this industry...

To each their own...


Nathan 01-15-2011 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17846918)

I'm flattered, I guess... lol...

woj 01-15-2011 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy (Post 17846899)
Hey WOJ, you're a programmer. A damn good one. Honest question: Would you say it is typical for a programmer to be in possession of 100+ million dollars?

It's not typical for sure, but possible, look at Bill Gates or the facebook guy, both programmers that made some smart business moves and are now worth Billions...

Barefootsies 01-15-2011 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 17846909)
I like DWB

As do I. He's top notch.
:thumbsup

fris 01-15-2011 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 17846914)
One day someone will release details about the past 4 years and everyone thinking of conspiracy theories here and elsewhere about me and Manwin will feel utterly stupid and realize that they really had no clue about M&A transactions, the power of understanding business and financing and the importance of having good advisors, both legally and financially.

Regarding the secret service stuff, maybe the reason I bought Mansef assets regardless is: 1) I bought assets, not Mansef itself, and 2) I know more about the secret service seizure than is publically available knowledge? Maybe, just MAYBE in a deal of this size, I would have looked at the exact circumstances to the seizure, the reasoning to it?

All you conspiracy people think too small, you think no-risk, you will never get anywhere big in this industry...

To each their own...

it has been stated before if you even own anythign of manwin and just are a PR guy to spin things whatever way they want you to.

Nathan 01-15-2011 11:09 AM

Fris, people state all kinds of crap... if you ask our Public Relations Manager she would tell you for sure that if I am a PR guy, I SUCK AT IT... If this was about spin, I would definitely not be the one doing it...

Its Saturday evening, this is fun while I watch TV with my kid.

will76 01-15-2011 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 17846914)
One day someone will release details about the past 4 years and everyone thinking of conspiracy theories here and elsewhere about me and Manwin will feel utterly stupid and realize that they really had no clue about M&A transactions, the power of understanding business and financing and the importance of having good advisors, both legally and financially.

Regarding the secret service stuff, maybe the reason I bought Mansef assets regardless is: 1) I bought assets, not Mansef itself, and 2) I know more about the secret service seizure than is publically available knowledge? Maybe, just MAYBE in a deal of this size, I would have looked at the exact circumstances to the seizure, the reasoning to it?

All you conspiracy people think too small, you think no-risk, you will never get anywhere big in this industry...

To each their own...

How much money did you have in 2000 ? My memory is a little bad but weren't you working for John Albright not too long ago???

So you really want everyone to believe you have made 100's of millions of dollars and are the sole owner of manwin?

How much are you worth now?

theking 01-15-2011 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 17846968)
Fris, people state all kinds of crap... if you ask our Public Relations Manager she would tell you for sure that if I am a PR guy, I SUCK AT IT... If this was about spin, I would definitely not be the one doing it...

Its Saturday evening, this is fun while I watch TV with my kid.

I have no problem believing what you say you are but for whatever their reasons some do not want to believe that you are anything other than a spokesman...because for whatever their reasons they do not believe you had the money to invest in acquiring the assets of ManSef. You identify yourself as a partner...Managing Partner...maybe it would be helpful to you (providing you even care...if I was in your position I would not care) to state how many partners there are...unless stating the number of partners would violate some kind of company policy.

DWB 01-15-2011 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slutboat (Post 17846895)
really? you thinks Fabians background as a programmer has any bearing on what he has the ability to do right now? Or that 5.3 Mil chump change would slow his drive for aquisitions? He's the fucking Borg DWB, you will be assimilated.

Of course not, that was sarcasm. I'd put my money on either Russian mafia money or something else involving shady Russians which I won't discuss here because I'd probably get sued for doing so. Either way, shady Russians are involved.

But then again, I'm just a simple tranny pornographer so I could be totally wrong and he legally programmed his way to 100 million buckaroos. Considering that is the most logical explanation, and the one they want us to believe, we should all just go along with it and keep the Borg off our ass.

However, I do know this... once a thief, always a thief.

DateDoc 01-15-2011 11:38 AM

Yes, because if it is true we will be able to embed tube8 movies! Duh!!!

SmokeyTheBear 01-15-2011 11:38 AM

most people likely will unless they change it. gfy has needed an upgrade for awhile , then again if it isn't broke why fix it. some things just seem silly like the only videos you can embed are non-industry related videos

Brujah 01-15-2011 11:46 AM

I just heard that Will76 works for Manwin.

tony286 01-15-2011 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17847009)
How much money did you have in 2000 ? My memory is a little bad but weren't you working for John Albright not too long ago???

So you really want everyone to believe you have made 100's of millions of dollars and are the sole owner of manwin?

How much are you worth now?

After that he worked for the exceo ibill after ibill went down the tubes. He was fabian back then not nathan he came on here telling about one of those boxtop porn tv things the company name escapes me. I just remember chasing them around gfy asking for my fucking money ibill owed me

will76 01-15-2011 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 17846968)
Fris, people state all kinds of crap... if you ask our Public Relations Manager she would tell you for sure that if I am a PR guy, I SUCK AT IT... If this was about spin, I would definitely not be the one doing it...

Its Saturday evening, this is fun while I watch TV with my kid.

Ok "managing partner" errr front guy. I took the 5 mins to use GFY search. This is what I found:

Nathan/Fabian leaves Too Much Media / NATS 12-8-2006

So what, you got 1/3 of a share and bought out then released an affiliate program on 2-27-2007 Nathan (formerly with TMM/NATS) releases new Amateur Flash Portal!

To 7-16-2010 Manwin Official Statement re acquisition of Brazzers

So you want people to believe you went from being a part owner (1/3) of Nats that ended in Dec 2006 to starting your own affiliate program in 2007 to just 3 years later buying 100 million dollar companies.... and that you are not just a front man... :1orglaugh

will76 01-15-2011 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 17847031)
I just heard that Will76 works for Manwin.

no, but all this manwin talk got me hungry, think I am going to have one of these for lunch:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OCPM7p8pQW...00/manwich.jpg

Coup 01-15-2011 12:01 PM

never stopped much of anyone when they skinned the joint, doubt it would have much of an impact if they owned it.

Nathan 01-15-2011 12:06 PM

theking,

there is no benefit of me stating anything more than I am already stating... The term "Managing Partner" comes as a lose translation of "Geschäftsführender Gesellschafter" which is a german term for a company owner that is also managing the day to day of the company. Because there are plenty of people that own a company and employ a CEO. (As I do for Manwin Canada and my european business). That people somehow associate with the term "Managing Partner" that there must be other "non-managing" partners to me is just funny and shows how little people know about true business. I am not going to change my title just because someone on GFY builds a conspiracy theory around it...

Regarding the money comments, I am not here to teach anyone how to invest and make money. People need to learn how deals like this work.

theking 01-15-2011 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 17847068)
theking,

there is no benefit of me stating anything more than I am already stating... The term "Managing Partner" comes as a lose translation of "Geschäftsführender Gesellschafter" which is a german term for a company owner that is also managing the day to day of the company. Because there are plenty of people that own a company and employ a CEO. (As I do for Manwin Canada and my european business). That people somehow associate with the term "Managing Partner" that there must be other "non-managing" partners to me is just funny and shows how little people know about true business. I am not going to change my title just because someone on GFY builds a conspiracy theory around it...

Regarding the money comments, I am not here to teach anyone how to invest and make money. People need to learn how deals like this work.

I understand and agree that there is not any benefit to you...what I do not understand is why you respond to me or anyone else on this board.

RycEric 01-15-2011 12:13 PM


Nathan 01-15-2011 12:13 PM

theking, saturday evening, nothing better to do... it's fun... sometimes..

you will notice that 99% of my posts are done on the weekends or holidays.

tony286 01-15-2011 12:15 PM

Anytime Ive dealt with a managing partner there were always other partners. If they were just the owner then they wouldnt need the term partner attached to it. They would be just owner.

DWB 01-15-2011 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17846905)
You mean like torrents? Rapidshare? Sharing forums? TGPS? YouTube? Google images?

Among others right?
:upsidedow

While forums are a serious issue, the others are not.

A torrent user is a certain type of user, you're not going to convert those guys. They don't pay for anything.


Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 17846909)
I like DWB, but he's being a bit hypocritical. When all of the I$ bullshit was going on (most on that list), he spent months here backing them up because they had bought content from him for years and his good buddy Glenn wouldn't possibly do something like he was being accused of. Even after dozens of affiliates across multiple boards came forward and said they hadn't been paid, even after people posted proof they had their cards banged by them and how they were involved in shady cross selling, DWB continued lambasting anyone here who spoke out against I$. Just sad that it took them eventually fucking over DWB for him to realize all of those early on affiliate claims were valid.

Fucking Christ, here we go again. I will say this one last time because I like you.

1) I was under contract with them BEFORE anything bad about them ever came out. I had no idea what they were doing or what was about to happen.

2) I said all along that I did not have a problem with cross sales so long as they were somewhere visible on the page. Just the same as I don't have a problem with fine print when you sign any other contract. If you refuse to read it, that is your problem. Not mine.

3) I also said all along that until I see the wrong doing with my own eyes, I would not follow the mob without proof.

4) I used my OWN credit card THREE TIMES and TWO MORE TIMES with a card not in my name and guess what... to date NOT A SINGLE CHARGE other than the original sign up charge.

5) During the time of my contract, towards the end of it, I did find out about them doing other shady things and it has nothing to do with anything you think it does. Then as soon as my contract was up, I would not renew it and DMCA'd the entire site I had with them and to date it is still offline. I severed all ties and to date have not spoken to any of them.

6) As I said, I do not follow a mob. I am not a lemming. I am my own man who makes my own decisions based on FACTS. Not hearsay, not mob rule, not on what will make me popular, but on real facts that I see for myself. Until I saw what I needed to see, I had no choice but to think otherwise. I know some companies who will set out to destroy others in this very manner, by bad PR. I'm not falling for that and it is a shame so many of you do.

7) Still, where is the proof of a card being banged and prove to me it was banged and they didn't just miss a cross sale. Prove it. I said it back then and NOT ONE PERSON did it, and that was to screen record the entire sign up and cancel process for everyone to see. Record it all. Then when extra charges came, everyone could see it who's fault it was. Did anyone do it? No. They just cried and said their card was banged. Yet mine never was, and I'd love to sit here right now and tell you they banged the hell out of it, but I can't. So you have to wonder about those who joined and those making posts and what their motive was. "Proof" is not a credit card statement. Proof would have been a recorded sign up and cancel. No one ever did it, even after I begged them to do it so they could show me that I was in the wrong. Why do you think that is?

8) Glenn is still part of I$, don't let anyone tell you different. The dumb fucks never terminated my sever account with them and until just recently I had access to EVERYTHING they were working on and Glenn still had to approve everything while in Colombia. They have a folder just for him and everything goes through it along with notes and everything else. You would not believe the shit they kept on their servers. Idiots.

9) I've done deals with shady people before and I'm sure I will again. Everyone has. It's impossible to work in this business and not deal with someone shady at some point. Shit runs downhill and EVERYONE is connected to dirt bags and is doing business with them in one way or another.

So please, go fuck yourself. You have no idea what the circumstances were. And to date, I still have never been banged by them. :2 cents: But if you dumb asses could have see past those god forsaken cross sales so many of you lost sleep over, you may have stumbled onto something much, much worse. But the mob can never see past the first idiot leading the group, so I guess I can't blame any of you for being short sided.

So now I'm a hypocrite because I did some content deals with people who ended up later on being crooks while I bust Manwin's balls for stealing my content and profiting from it? :1orglaugh So be it. A hypocrite I am then. That's a hell of a lot better than a lemming and not being able to find out the truth on my own.

You know... you could all mob up in typical idiot GFY fashion and blame all of the tubes and everything else shitty on me. You could base it all on things I said about I$ in the past. I would expect nothing less from you ass hats.


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