Arizona
 

what do you think will she sign the bill? at 1 30 pm we will find out. i think she should sign it and we'll work out the kinks. I saw yesterday they had mexican flags wtf.

This has the state in an uproar.

I think she's gonna do nothing which thus makes the bill good to go.

It's gonna get crazy down here ... especially the closer to the border you get. We are about 30-45 minutes from the Nogales border in Tucson.

I think she will sign the bill. One thing I don't get is, I thought it was already illegal to be in the states if you entered illegally? Personally, I hope she signs it :thumbsup

On another note, you have to love the signs some of these people are carrying..."We Have Rights".
If you aren't a US citizen and are here illegally, then you have no rights in the country :2 cents:

im a obama supporter but after he said Arizona is fullish thats crossing the line :2 cents: that should have been at the top of his list securing the border. put up or shut up obama :mad:

Question is, does Arizona or California have the bigger illegal immigrant problem? Live in LA, visited AZ quite a few times, it's above even.

If you break it down per capita, I bet Arizona does, but that's just my guess.

i dont live in cali

I think she will sign the bill.

Now I want some good Mexican food.

Macayo's Restaurant the best but i like pancho's as well hmm theres a place on mohave and 16th street you go west towards 7th street in a white building they have the stuff :pimp

We were discussing Macayo's and Chino Bandido yesterday.

Agreed. :thumbsup

The point isn't illegals, the point is how the fuck can a cop tell the difference between a brown skinned American and a brown skinned Mexican.

Basically the bill allows cops to presume that all brown people are illegals until they prove differently.

if your native to arizona hit a home depot or the land fields i speak spanish and can understand better than i speak i can tell right away :1orglaugh

Doesn't matter who they stop, they should ask for ID, if you don't produce it the burden is on you to prove who you are and that your allowed to be there. Americans are not just white and lots of immigrants are white as well. different parts of the country have different immigrant issues. Ask everyone you pull over if they are legal all they have to do is produce proper ID

hell we are the most laxed country in the world when it comes to immigration in every other country I have been to you don't show ID you go to jail. In many countries you carry your passport if your visiting so you can prove your there legally or have your visa stamp. In Jamaica they asked me to go get my passport to prove my identity same in Berlin Germany. Why cant we do this in the USA? If it helps solve a problem then it should be asked

behh I don't like Macayo's at all :( I love Cafe Poca Cosa, that's my favorite place here in Tucson. Also Blanco and El Charro Cafe I visit often as well. If you want authetic Sonoran Mexican food, then El Güero Canelo is the place to go imo. Yeah interesting to see what happens today, we were just at the border a few days ago, we had to cross into Mexico and drop off our permit that was about to expire. My family was freaking out since there is all this crazy stuff going on, but the place was completely dead.

Becoming a US citizen needs to be incentivised.

the bill will be signed!!

I believe the law targets all illegals. There are other nationalities that are here illegally and they are not all dark complected.

Where in the bill did it mention brown people?

And so it begins ....

Don't play stupid.

I'd suggest to stop listening to fears of what might happen, and observe what does actually happen before judging anything.

You know a poll reported to have been recent from down there said something like half of legal latin immigrants supported the bill. Polls are polls, so cant put too much into it, but it sure wasn't 0, and no it wasn't 100.. but not EVERYone is going to riot or something scary.



Oh, and of COURSE mostly latino's will be carded! Thats not anything but geography.

their still waving mexican flags time for them to go home.

Thank god someone corrected the Maycayo's post. =)

fixed that 4u :winkwink:

This is the one Fed Issue I disagree with. It should only be a federal issue if you are handling the problem and certain states like Texas, CA, NM, and Arizona have to deal with this on levels the feds just don't seem to care about.

yeah well all that under the table stuff fucked up the state :2 cents: well may be a riot at the capitol :helpme

We had a day without a Mexican in California and it just cleared up the freeways. They'll never pull that shit again.

Plus now people WILL do those jobs they claimed Americans wouldn't do, without a doubt!

civil rights attorneys in AZ are going to have a field day with this..

As an immigrant I support this move.

You too.

thats just a last ditch effort to hide the illegals time to clean this shit up! :thumbsup

there just mirroring a federal law already in place. There just are no feds in AZ enforcing it.

Aren't rights some thing a higher authority has to back up?

I see it as they are doing a job that employers are not willing to pay a fare wage to do.

Exactly and they should have to pay the normal or higher fare. I'll bet cleaning shit holes could get a lot more lucrative if asshole weren't here willing to do it for nothing.

Bill Maher doesn't like it cause he doesn't want to have to pay minimum wage to have his car parked.

im no attorney but this sounds unconstitutional on a number of levels and I think this may cause some conflicts of pre-emption when it comes to US state vs Federal law.

That was the problem though - too many Americans wouldn't take the job, they would have preferred to be on welfare. I think I know more white people taking advantage of the system in AZ than Mexicans... more because they can too.

And it's not minimum wage anymore either, people want ridiculous salaries and benefits ... hell we even see it in adult. Affiliate manager X wants $100k/year, doesn't want to generate sales to get it, just wants the title and the money. Welp, guess what? I'll hire the guy who will take $22k/year plus commission.

I see both sides and there isn't one side to blame. Americans brought a lot of this on ourselves and the gov't didn't think it would ever get this out of control.

I agree with you, it can be looked at as supply and demand.

The problem with America is it's a whorehouse that no one respects and people who are born here have to deal with. Civil Rights was a great gimmick just like manifest destiny to get people to come here and populate the country, but if you want those same freedoms now, I'd be eyeing Antartica! Or maybe The Moon.

How long before INS buses start lining up around the capital and loading people on them?

America started doing that to itself in the Reagan Era and it died down for like a half a day and then picked right up again. Anyway, you should not be coming here trying to steal my kids job. It's that simple. Fuck civil rights unless it applies to me and my and yes you should get more benefits for being born here and maybe even more for having to come here legally and pass all those tests and everything.

The death threats have started to roll in ... they closed offices today at noon.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_549795.html

They should have done it in Downtown LA during the marches but they didn't have the balls. I can't believe the disregard the Feds have for American born citizens that have no where else to go. They are backing their own people into a corner.

Most great historical Americans were not born here. And civil rights dont just protect people's race, they also protect gender, religion, sexual orientation, age and gender. You're saying those are all a gimmicks?

And for the record, I dont have a problem with such laws, what I have a problem with is the means of enforcement.

I say if you really care about those things, you need to fix your own country and not run here for the benefits of one created by bloodshed against a world empire at the time.

And then on top of that to piss all over the sons and daughters of the people who created it.

And YOUR kid may be responsible and take a job that's a job. I was a cashier, worked at the food booths at Six Flags, had a shitty telemarketing job, etc. But I worked.

Now I know people here in Arizona who REFUSE to work, they would rather be on the system. My favorite is the guy who was laid off telling me he's gonna go back to school - not to further himself or get another job - no, to stay on unemployment longer. (If you are in school, your unemployment never runs out I guess.)

It goes both ways, in western NY they are having farming issues because the large farming corporations hired a bunch of illegals and have now run the family farmer out of business. There were plenty of folk willing to farm, but that was taken away from them for lower wages and more productivity.

I'm going to go back to what I said before. Fix your own fucking country. This one isn't really as great as you might think it is after you get here. It's like going West from East to be a movie star and finding out you have to do porn.

Difference is you're an American. I don't care if you're black or white or yellow or a mix, if you were born here or etc. you're an American. Don't fuck this country up anymore than it already is. Don't drag in your long lost cousins and what not. It's that simple.

People here would take jobs if there were jobs to take and it's bullshit to think they wouldn't. Of course kids have to be inspired. This country has been raped long enough by it's own fucking people more so than anyone else, but you need to start bleeding on your own soil and fixing things for this global overhaul that's supposed to make us all equal.

I saw the capitol building is surrounded with police and I am sure the sheriff's brigade is on standby or on the way.

I might take a ride downtown to see it first hand....

So by that argument, what about all the Americans who abuse the welfare system and sit on their ass all day? They're benefiting from a broken system as well. As they say, don't hate the player, hate the game. You're not gonna fix a broken system by singling out a single race..