hahahahaha!!! :1orglaugh

that guy is stupid :2 cents: :disgust fiddy running illegals

You're saying only people that were BORN here qualify as being Americans? What about people that are Americans legally by Nationalization and immigration, those are not real Americans?

Exactly. If people are abusing the welfare system then fix the welfare system. Stop pretending it's an immigration problem.

Dude, I didn't even start singling out a race by any stretch of the imagination. A country yes. Mexico. Not a race a country. Notice I didn't mention China, cause however they do it they do it under the cover and don't try to deplete our system. The only time you know Chinese are here are when they are successful and they operate on their own network.

But again, I'm just pointing out the obvious, and just to note something I live in LA and I love Mexicans, especially the women, but that's the border country causing these immigration problems. I think most Mexican Americans should be more upset than whites cause I don't want their toilet cleaning jobs so they aren't my competition, but hopefully you get my meaning somewhat.

I'm just rambling here and not trying to be offensive or specific.

Actually I said etc. covering those things, but I would argue them... if you want to have that debate next.

Dude, why don't you just turn around, drop your pants, spread your ass cheeks and give it up to everyone who wants it? If you will let them all stay at your house I have no fucking problem with it. You can sponsor. Seriously.

We have homeless too, can they stay with you?

There's this one asshole I have to step over and have a conversation with every morning and I think he was born here, but since you want to take in refugees, don't be like Angelina Jollie. Do it for the country that made you first.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh new niche "illegal violators"

Illegals can't take advantage of the welfare system - but a huge part of the 30 million illegals do use our medical system, and don't pay for it... use our roads, services, etc but don't pay taxes.

That's what's broken about it... not the actual systems.


Anyway - the issue is illegal immigrants are crossing into our Country, murdering Americans, raiding homes, robbing them, and destroying our lands as they pass through by the millions every year. They are costing our people, cities, and states millions in resources that it doesn't have the money to pay for.

It finally reached a point that the States had to take more action.

You're not being offensive but what Im arguing against is the means, not the end. Let's say hypothetically that the 20 years from now, Canada becomes a third world country (sorry to all by Canadian brethren for bringing you into this lol) and Northern States had a big problem with Canadian illegals, an influx of illegal drugs coming in from Canada and a spike in violence, how do you propose states like Minnesotta, North Dakota, NY, etc go about enforcing a similar law? That's what Im debating against, not the law, but the methods of enforcement.

Didn't Australia start out as a prison colony and don't they have stringent immigration laws that don't let even AMERICANS become citizens. Why don't they get bashed on?

I love aussies by the way, just to add that in not for points. :thumbsup

I'm curious how this new bill will affect the amount of illegals in the ER rooms, etc.

That would definitely be a bonus to this bill.

I would say white people shooting white people in this Political Correct environment would be no problem thus Bosnia/Serbia, but now they want to make the southern border a racial issue. And believe me I sympathize with the drug cartel problem down there, but the fact that you have one is the reason I don't want your people in my country LOL!@

P.S. unless you have the top notch drugs. Then you can stay and my house and I'll marry your sister and all problems solved.

Okay, see, I'm a civil rights patriot too and a business man. WHAT AN AMERICAN!

SEXUAL ORIENTATION? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? Race is protected FAR more ...I pay fucking taxes and can't even get married (and I don't give a shit what you call it...just give me my fucking due, know what i mean?).

And, like Kristin said, it's also about lazy Americans who'd rather collect welfare. Who's gonna do these jobs? Work at Mikky D's or clean a shit hole? Most of these folks just want to work and send money home...

I dunno, the whole thing is just fucked up. And we're all talkin about this instead of finding ways to fix the G-D economy.

I told Kristin, used to be all Arizonans cared about were women and whiskey. On that note, it's just about time for me to call it a day. My woman and my Makers are waitin on me :winkwink:

-L

Quoted for truth! :thumbsup

The largest number of unemployed people and the largest age group looking for a job is 16-18 year olds.

We have far more than 30 million people "looking" for a job... without having to care about the lazy bastards that don't want a job.

Truth???

It's 4 o'fuckin'clock.

Damn are you guys hiring?

What im also trying to say is that this is part of a bigger problem with the system. We go from one extreme to another. For example, let's take 9/11 when alot of things changed in this country...

We go from airline companies being able to outsource airline security to the cheapest (and in most cases least qualified) bidder in the past to setting up Homeland Security and you can't even have a bottle of water or toothpaste. We go from airlines trying to squeeze in as many flights as possible to increase their profits to having to show up 3 hrs ahead of time at the airport. We go from complete freedom of privacy to the rights of government to be able to wire tap you, enter your property without proper warrants and detain you without representation.

I see this in financial reform now as well, we go from 50 years of deregulation and a financial free-for-all to having people decide what bonuses a CEO or executive is entitled to, but that's a whole nother argument..

And now we go from zero immigration reform or policy to racial profiling. I guess there is no middle ground, forethought or moderation, we live on extremes, thats my biggest gripe..

I guess you haven't really been keeping up at all....

We have federal immigration laws that have been enforced for a long time. We have had corrections in the law, new parts of the wall put up, old parts corrected, laws to allow local police/sheriff to be called in, laws/orders for national guard, we have detection systems/cameras, motion things, it's illegal to hire them for business or home/pay them, towns have pulled together/resources/funds, we have the minute men, and the list goes on and on for the last 30 years.

The wall has to cover over 1/3 of the U.S. and a distance pulled straight that is longer than LA to NY City, with costs that the border states can't cover and the federal level is ignoring.

Saying we haven't been doing anything about it, haven't made reform, new policies, before the States were FORCED to go this far, is a bit crazy.

You have a lot of things in here that have absolutely NOTHING to do with the Southern Border Problem. And that's probably the problem. People are always trying to work all the other bullshit in.

Well, how ineffectual and sad is that then? The fact that we have and can't fix it?

Right, and the federal gov't SHOULD have done something more about it, but for reasons Im unaware of, political, financial, legal, or whatever, it didn't happen or it didn't work as intended, and now AZ had their hand forced.

The Fed is also doing something about it... AZ and Fed are coming out with new laws.

And that's also how the Constitution works... the States actually have the power, the State has to do this first.

They just showed a video where some of the Hispanic people were throwing things at the police. I am sorry but that is messed up. I hope Sheriff Joe goes down there and busts people. It is sad that he is one of the only people that actually enforces the laws in this state. ICE is a fucking joke. If Obama doesn't like this, then he should do his job and secure the border. He picked the worst possible idiot to be Secretary of Homeland Security. Janet Napolitano didn't do anything to secure the AZ border and I don't see her doing anything to secure the US border.

That depends on what you think could correct it... I don't see anything that the Fed level can do to correct it other than enforce the laws more than we already do and give the States more power - which is what is happening.

No im just making an example of extremes, the southern border problem seems to be another example of extremes, similar to others, or maybe not as extreme as TheDoc pointed out, but hopefully you get my point, the system, on various issues/topics, etc from the federal level downwards, needs to be fixed.

Ok im not an attorney but how does this work when there is a federal immigration law on the books and the state makes another law on top of it? Doesn't that cause even more issues than it fixes?

My great state will let nuts like you marry!

That depends on what changed... but the State has the end power, always. Like pot laws, federal wise its illegal - however the State can make it legal. But the fed could still bust you for pot, it's the Fed prosecuting you, not the State.

However the AZ laws aren't anything that steps on the Fed's toes. Giving the local law enforcement more powers can only be decided at the State level.

Well, if you don't think smuggling drugs and contraband isn't a real problem you're probably profiting off it and that's secondary to the real issue of coming to this country with no fucking business or right to do so? That's the issue and there is nothing extreme about it.

they mirrored the fed law so that there police had something at the local level to deal with it as federal agents were not

States should have to right to protect their own citizens if the feds won't do it for them, the same way the feds should come in and protect citizens the states won't for whatever reasons.

Key words would be CITIZENS, AMERICAN CITIZENS. Do not back me into a fucking corner is what I am asking. I have no home to go to. I live here. Get out of my fucking face.

Kinda follow that, but - Huh?....

you keep going over the same thing, and you're missing my point. I do think it's a problem, but I dont think the way they're going about is right, that's all, and it will not solve the problem and will cause a bunch of new ones.

It's pretty simple. You think you're going to come here and fuck this country up and sneak back home after making your money. So don't try to label the people who are trying to stop you as racists. They are protecting the borders better than the federal government. I'm sure they would do the same thing if Canada were illiterate drug smuggling peasants at the North. That just isn't a problem up there.

How do you solve the actual problem? The core problem is Mexico is a 3rd world shit hole. We can't correct that problem.

So how do we correct this, other than make damn sure our border is secure and make damn sure it's a total pain in the ass for any illegal to be here?

No you keep making sure I point out the problem without even a semblance of a solution!

I'm serious. It took balls to sign that law but will take even more balls to enforce it. Start with the group surrounding the Capital. Screen them and load those in the bus who need to be.

A law has been made so lets get the ball rolling while a bunch of them have delivered themselves to the capital. Spend dollars and resources at a later date or scoop them up while they are in front of you now? Which makes more sense and sends the stronger message?

Exactly, you make it worse for them to be here than in their third world shit hole and then they finally make their own country better or we go to war.

End of problem and a solution.

I don't think the people are racist... personally I support them going in and raiding areas of the Cities that they know are mostly Illegals. Here that is only going to be Mexicans - other places it will be Asians.

It is what it is...

Ah I gotcha now..

I'm still wondering why we don't have a wall/barrier like they have around Guantanamo... that would damn sure keep the illegals out or at least stop them from coming in.

and i'm a fucking democrat!

Drastic times = drastic measures.

Everybody wants change in this country but most people pussyfoot around the situations instead of FIXING them.

Yes, it's gonna piss people off but those involved shouldn't be here in the first place since they didn't follow the law.

Try sneaking through Customs/Immigration the next time you take an International trip and see how they treat you. In this country we provide them watering holes, maps, shoes, medical, education, jobs.......

And when you put it like that, I feel bad, but their own countries should care about them this much so I'm 100% in agreement.

Everybody loves Australia. Do they put up with this shit? I'm just curious.

time 4 change

I dont have solution, but I dont think this is the right one either. I have not read the actual law but what's gonna happen to an illegal? They go to prison? There's more tax dollars being spent. They get deported? Big deal they'll be out in a few weeks and will to sneak back in again as they do right now. People who 'look' hispanic will get questioned, harassed, arrested, get ready for a bunch of civil rights lawsuits, let alone if someone cries out police brutality was involved. There are close to 300k illegals in AZ someone else said, how many more law enforcement officials will need to get hired and will that even be enough? What about the DA's office to deal with all this. And so on..I hope Im wrong, I hope it works, but I see a big can of worms..

Does Australia have a shithole to the south? LOL.

I guess time will tell, you think it will make our borders more secure and curb illegal immigration, I dont. Like I said above, time will tell and I hope I'm wrong and I hope it does not bring on even more problems without even solving the first one to begin with.

Tucson's South side is full of illegals. :(

Well, if you say ROMPERSTOMPER (Russel Crowe), you know they have an immigration problem.

I live in Los Angeles too, and I think you're heart is bleeding for the wrong people, not naturally born or legally immigrated Mexicans who will always be conflicted, but don't be like Angelina Jollie. Adopt American black babies. We have enough of them being abused. Fuck Africa! You didn't make your money from there. Give back to the city and the state and the country that made you.