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brassmonkey 04-24-2010 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17072077)
That does not make any sense- "Profiling is illegal-Out side of that, if you look the profile". ...

You do realize people from other countries become citizens everyday here?- So now if they drive in AZ a regular beat cop can question their citizenship. The law is flawed and will be overturned in the SC. It's just a matter of time. :2 cents:

well action needs to take place if hispanics dont like it they scream hitler, profiling, racism its time to go home! :mad:

TheDoc 04-24-2010 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17072077)
That does not make any sense- "Profiling is illegal-Out side of that, if you look the profile". ...

You do realize people from other countries become citizens everyday here?- So now if they drive in AZ a regular beat cop can question their citizenship. The law is flawed and will be overturned in the SC. It's just a matter of time. :2 cents:

Profiling is illegal... ie: Mexican walking down the street and you stop them for no reason.

And like myself in Canada, when they did an inspection - I was the guy that didn't sound Canadian. Was it racial profiling? No - but they profiled me.

I have a friend from S. America and he lives here, not as a citizen but legal... and if he breaks the law like anyone else he will be asked for his ID - and his citizenship won't come into question because he can produce an ID - an illegal can't.

If he is standing in the mall with his wife and they profile him, they're going to get sued. If he is standing with a bunch of dudes in a back ally, late at night - he should get profiled.

And even if profiling happens - the person will have an ID if they are legal - by law... I say they raid S. Tucson and clear the place out, then move to the next city.

tony286 04-24-2010 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17072075)
Shit loads of companies have been busted for illegal immigrants across the Country and in Arizona.. Some CEO's have went to jail, been fined and at times been totally shut down.

The chicken factory doesn't hire them, the chicken farmer does and they have laws that allow that in many states.

really ceo's went to jail. Name four

TheDoc 04-24-2010 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 17072089)
really ceo's went to jail. Name four

Why would I ever care to remember who got arrested or followed up with the court cases? A quick google search should return results for ya though, it's a rather common thing.

When you harbor/hire illegals, it's a federal crime. before the state violations. They happen in every state, several throughout the year in far more than just the chicken industry.

Some states make it harder than others of course...

HandballJim 04-24-2010 09:37 PM

Its time the U.S. starts thinking about its own country for a change. With 10% of the country jobless they should take a page from Japan. The Japanese government figured a way to help their own citizens get work. They told their large Brazilian population to go back to Brazil we do not need your work services anymore....and paid them to leave the country. They also had to sign documents that they will not return. A while back Japan needed cheap labor and opened its doors to Brazil.

So load those buses and send them back home and put Americans back to work. Also export several other races who suck the blood out of our social services that are here illegal. It's not just Mexicans, you have Guatemalans, Dominicans, El Salvadorians, Nigerians, Haitians, Chinese, etc.

Just so you know any illegal immigrant can become legal if they join the U.S. Military and do their service to our country.

Nikki_Licks 04-24-2010 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17072072)
Profiling is illegal... it's really not that hard to understand.

And illegal is illegal! What doesn't anyone understand about that.
The bottom line is they are breaking the laws of this country and if they don't like it, pack their stinking asses up and take their fucking families back to the shit hole they came from!

HandballJim 04-24-2010 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17072113)
See it's never this simple. Those Illegals have kids here that are Americans....... :2 cents:

I hear you, just today I was playing Handball with a bunch of them...

HandballJim 04-24-2010 09:50 PM

Japan Pays Foreign Workers to Go Home

TheDoc 04-24-2010 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17072101)
First of all this is not Canada. Second, a State ID/DL does not confirm you're a Citizen.

"If he is standing with a bunch of dudes in a back ally, late at night - he should get profiled."- No, No he/They should not. If he's not breaking a law standing anywhere at anytime!

..... Although I do enjoy our thread debates I now believe you were never in law enforcement and thankful you're not now if you were..because you are nothing more then a fascist tool.

It's still not profiling, even if it happened in American.

Yes, a DL issued by the state does confirm citizenship/residence....among other things. You do not have to carry your papers with you. It takes days to get a new DL - it takes MONTHS to get a new green card. That's why you get an ID.

If everyone is standing around doing nothing, a cop would or wouldn't say anything - equally before or after this law - that's what you missed. And if he happened to question as to why they are standing in a back ally late at night - he is fully in his legal rights.


As per the other thread, and this one - you clearly do not understand the laws.

TheDoc 04-24-2010 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17072113)
See it's never this simple. Those Illegals have kids here that are Americans....... :2 cents:

The parents should have thought of that when they broke the law several times over. Maybe they should have went home and taken the kid with them? Then after a period of time they wouldn't have been citizens. But nope, they break the law, don't think of the kids, and screw everyone over - great illegals to have the country..

Nikki_Licks 04-24-2010 09:58 PM

I also heard that this dirt bag commander in chief wants to see if Arizona is breaking any laws so he can have the ruling changed.
I think the State of Arizona should file a law suit against the shit bags in Washington for breaking the law by not securing the borders...after all it is their job and as usual they love to turn a blind eye to the overwhelming growing problem of illegal immigrants.

On another note, there has always been a law on the books to pull anyone over for reasonable suspicion. It is not our fault the majority of illegal immigrants are mexican as they seem to be the only people bitching about the new law because it is "THEIR" people who are breaking the law that are here illegally and it is "THEIR" people that have caused this whole issue to be where it is today, not us citizens.
Like I have said a 100 times....they have no rights here, if they don't like it in the U.S., get the FUCK OUT!!!

HandballJim 04-24-2010 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks (Post 17072143)
Like I have said a 100 times....they have no rights here, if they don't like it in the U.S., get the FUCK OUT!!!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh that will never happen they have a free ride here, not saying some don't work hard but they would be starving in their own country.

The people who live upstairs from me are Mexican and play loud music 24/7. I complained to my management office, they called them up and asked them to lower their music...and they complained back and said we are paying rent here we can do what we want.

I am looking to move to a better area with a good school district, but currently paying cheap rent so you got to put up with people who don't give a fuck about anybody but themselves.

BIGTYMER 04-24-2010 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 17068449)
They can't just stop and question you for no reason. They are not going to harass and arrest you because you look hispanic. People always cry out police brutality, it is like crying wolf. Illegals are a huge problem and not just the ones from Mexico. There are a lot of illegals from South and Central America here as well. It is worth it to hire more law enforcement. The crime rate from illegals is crazy and they like to run to Mexico after they commit crimes. Some state needed to take a stand. I hope more states will follow.

I'm in Tucson and its been bad here for a long time and it seems to be only getting worse. I'm all for this law!

BIGTYMER 04-24-2010 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks (Post 17072143)
I also heard that this dirt bag commander in chief wants to see if Arizona is breaking any laws so he can have the ruling changed.
I think the State of Arizona should file a law suit against the shit bags in Washington for breaking the law by not securing the borders...after all it is their job and as usual they love to turn a blind eye to the overwhelming growing problem of illegal immigrants.

On another note, there has always been a law on the books to pull anyone over for reasonable suspicion. It is not our fault the majority of illegal immigrants are mexican as they seem to be the only people bitching about the new law because it is "THEIR" people who are breaking the law that are here illegally and it is "THEIR" people that have caused this whole issue to be where it is today, not us citizens.
Like I have said a 100 times....they have no rights here, if they don't like it in the U.S., get the FUCK OUT!!!

AMEN! :thumbsup

TheDoc 04-24-2010 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17072154)
..and for a time there I took you serious. It is LAW now that if any illegal aliens have a child in this country it is a US citizen. But this means little to a guy like you because you only want to debate/enforce LAWS that favor your fascist agenda. :2 cents:

Clearly you have no idea what a fascist is but think the word sounds cool.

If you're born here and your parents are not citizens, and you leave and do not return here to live here again before some time frame passes, you're not a citizen.

Those illegal people should have left, thus they shouldn't be allowed here kids or not.

JaneB 04-25-2010 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BIGTYMER (Post 17072163)
I'm in Tucson and its been bad here for a long time and it seems to be only getting worse. I'm all for this law!



It is bad here too. I am all for this law. Also no one can call me a racist for supporting this since I am Hispanic. News flash to some of the people posting in here. We do not all have dark hair, dark eyes and really dark skin. It is pretty racist to assume all hispanics are dark. :2 cents:

escorpio 04-25-2010 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17070983)
The amount of money it costs for troops and the amount of troops it would take to police a border with no wall would cost far more than several walls being built, very quickly

Are you sure? Do you have figures to back up your assertion?
Where do you live? How many smugglers do you know? Have you ever heard them say "oh no! What if they build a wall!?"
Trust me when I tell you a wall would be ineffective. No one is worried about a wall.

escorpio 04-25-2010 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 17072081)
well action needs to take place if hispanics dont like it they scream hitler, profiling, racism its time to go home! :mad:

One of the solutions would be to stop paying negroes to breed and force their lazy asses into the workforce.
What's the difference between a negro and a Mexican?
Mexicans will break the law to get a job...negroes break the law to avoid getting jobs.

brassmonkey 04-25-2010 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 17072462)
One of the solutions would be to stop paying negroes to breed and force their lazy asses into the workforce.
What's the difference between a negro and a Mexican?
Mexicans will break the law to get a job...negroes break the law to avoid getting jobs.

guess you havent been seeing all the home invasions and your dumb if you thinking hispanics working here illegally is ok. and you think hispanics dont break the law :1orglaugh id bet you would think different if they used your i.d.

TheDoc 04-25-2010 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 17072459)
Are you sure? Do you have figures to back up your assertion?
Where do you live? How many smugglers do you know? Have you ever heard them say "oh no! What if they build a wall!?"
Trust me when I tell you a wall would be ineffective. No one is worried about a wall.

We have a wall now and it is not ineffective, it just isn't perfect... it moves them 'exactly' how it was designed, just parts need more.

Yes I'm sure - the wall has a set price. The troops cost money every day they are here, it's not free to put 1,000's of troops and what you want, 10,000's of troops along the border and everything else... War zones costs a hell of a lot more than a wall.

Being that you can't logically put troops across our full border in the first place... the front is extremely large, the cost, man power, equip problems, water issues, fuel issues, would be just day 1. That's before they over take some Americans land.

You can however, use a wall, natural walls-borders-water ways, to force the mass majority into a funneled area. Then you can focus your man power, supplies, use less of everything and then you only have to monitor the other zones and not fully man them.


I live about 30-45 north of the border.

Vendzilla 04-25-2010 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 17072052)
Again until I see them take the Ceo of the chicken factory in handcuffs then they are serious until then its all a show.
I wasn't clear sorry. The Sarge is an American Citizen who is fighting for his country and they ask for papers .he wigs out about it and the trouble starts. US citizens can be asked for papers.if they look like the profile.

Ever been to different country? I've been to several, this is the only country I haven't been asked for ID just for standing there. Being asked for ID is something a cop can do anyway, so if you have no green card, say bye bye

brassmonkey 04-25-2010 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17072676)
Ever been to different country? I've been to several, this is the only country I haven't been asked for ID just for standing there. Being asked for ID is something a cop can do anyway, so if you have no green card, say bye bye

well its come to a point in AZ you ask or watch all the taxes paid crumble. jenet napalitano fucked this state up and she didnt keep her word to secure the border. Its just wrong that wilcox and that tucson congressman (Raul Grijalva this fucker is a traitor boycott az :mad: )

smutnut 04-25-2010 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 17072462)
One of the solutions would be to stop paying negroes to breed and force their lazy asses into the workforce.
What's the difference between a negro and a Mexican?
Mexicans will break the law to get a job...negroes break the law to avoid getting jobs.

I am a white negro and I take offense to this!

Vendzilla 04-25-2010 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 17072696)
well its come to a point in AZ you ask or watch all the taxes paid crumble. jenet napalitano fucked this state up and she didnt keep her word to secure the border. Its just wrong that wilcox and that tucson congressman (Raul Grijalva this fucker is a traitor boycott az :mad: )

Trust me, california is worse, we have Pelosi and Boxer and probably more illegal aliens, it cost the state millions every year

smutnut 04-25-2010 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17072851)
Trust me, california is worse, we have Pelosi and Boxer and probably more illegal aliens, it cost the state millions every year

Yeah, but they'll clean your toilet for a buck and think you're doing them a favor. Bill Maher can get his lawn mowed for like a nickel and a half! :1orglaugh

brassmonkey 04-25-2010 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 17072864)
Yeah, but they'll clean your toilet for a buck and think you're doing them a favor. Bill Maher can get his lawn mowed for like a nickel and a half! :1orglaugh

yeah the big issue is the employers are benefiting because they pay less and they dont have to insure a full time employee. damn thats cheap wonder nickel and a half :1orglaugh :helpme

jimmy-3-way 04-25-2010 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 17072252)
It is bad here too. I am all for this law. Also no one can call me a racist for supporting this since I am Hispanic. News flash to some of the people posting in here. We do not all have dark hair, dark eyes and really dark skin. It is pretty racist to assume all hispanics are dark. :2 cents:

What the hell are you talking about?

What do you mean "it's bad"? What is bad? I defy you to name 5 'bad' things that are caused in Tempe by illegal aliens.

brassmonkey 04-25-2010 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmy-3-way (Post 17073141)
What the hell are you talking about?

What do you mean "it's bad"? What is bad? I defy you to name 5 'bad' things that are caused in Tempe by illegal aliens.

go to 35th ave and van buren and park by church's chicken and walk around there :helpme its bad id say 99.9% illegal :1orglaugh ( if your hair turns white dont blame me.)

sexdatesj 04-25-2010 07:00 PM

I live in AZ, I am FUCKING HAPPY we have this law! It's not meant for just MEXICANS.. its meant for anyone! IT already is a CRIME to be in the USA illegally, so finally we can enforce the fucking laws at the POLICE Level.. HERE HERE!

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE LAWS _ CHANGE THEM!

IF YOU DON'T LIKE ARIZONA - MOVE THE FUCK TO CALIFORNIA where
the DEMOCRATIC PUSSIES ALLOW THE STATE TO BE FUCKED UP BEYOND BELIEF!

My 2cents, BORN AND RAISED IN CALIF and LIVING IN AZ FOR THE PAST 4 YEARS!
So, I have the RIGHT to bitch and complain :)

sexdatesj 04-25-2010 07:04 PM

Thank god we have sheriff joe!

brassmonkey 04-25-2010 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sexdatesj (Post 17073882)
I live in AZ, I am FUCKING HAPPY we have this law! It's not meant for just MEXICANS.. its meant for anyone! IT already is a CRIME to be in the USA illegally, so finally we can enforce the fucking laws at the POLICE Level.. HERE HERE!

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE LAWS _ CHANGE THEM!

IF YOU DON'T LIKE ARIZONA - MOVE THE FUCK TO CALIFORNIA where
the DEMOCRATIC PUSSIES ALLOW THE STATE TO BE FUCKED UP BEYOND BELIEF!

My 2cents, BORN AND RAISED IN CALIF and LIVING IN AZ FOR THE PAST 4 YEARS!
So, I have the RIGHT to bitch and complain :)

the game is over illegals cant hide anymore did u see that mc donalds bust in mesa the manager was an illegal working here since 1996 :helpme and i bet she has kids in school tax free :mad:

escorpio 04-26-2010 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17072595)
We have a wall now and it is not ineffective, it just isn't perfect... it moves them 'exactly' how it was designed, just parts need more.

Yes I'm sure - the wall has a set price. The troops cost money every day they are here, it's not free to put 1,000's of troops and what you want, 10,000's of troops along the border and everything else... War zones costs a hell of a lot more than a wall.

Being that you can't logically put troops across our full border in the first place... the front is extremely large, the cost, man power, equip problems, water issues, fuel issues, would be just day 1. That's before they over take some Americans land.

You can however, use a wall, natural walls-borders-water ways, to force the mass majority into a funneled area. Then you can focus your man power, supplies, use less of everything and then you only have to monitor the other zones and not fully man them.


I live about 30-45 north of the border.

Where do you get this stuff? It reads like something written by BP trying to make themselves sound effective or some contractor with a vested interest in seeing a wall built.

escorpio 04-26-2010 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 17072556)
guess you havent been seeing all the home invasions and your dumb if you thinking hispanics working here illegally is ok. and you think hispanics dont break the law :1orglaugh id bet you would think different if they used your i.d.

The worst home invasion in the border region was perpetrated by Minutemen. They shot a nine year old girl in the face and killed her father.
I didn't say hispanics working here illegaly is okay, I just understand why it happens.
Where did I say hispanics don't break the law?
My brother had his ID stolen...by a white guy.

Negroes cause more crime and commit more welfare fraud than Mexicans.

brassmonkey 04-26-2010 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 17074430)
The worst home invasion in the border region was perpetrated by Minutemen. They shot a nine year old girl in the face and killed her father.
I didn't say hispanics working here illegaly is okay, I just understand why it happens.
Where did I say hispanics don't break the law?
My brother had his ID stolen...by a white guy.

Negroes cause more crime and commit more welfare fraud than Mexicans.

if you say so its time 4 the illegals to leave :)

mrjoint 04-26-2010 03:36 AM

I wish law makers here in California would pull their head out of their ass and pass a law like this. Ask anyone who is here legally, they don't have a problem showing an ID. Only fucking illegals who has a problem.

Actually Mexicans who are here legally hate illegals more than anyone else. because its they who have to deal with most of these crap because of the illegals.

brassmonkey 04-26-2010 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mrjoint (Post 17074474)
I wish law makers here in California would pull their head out of their ass and pass a law like this. Ask anyone who is here legally, they don't have a problem showing an ID. Only fucking illegals who has a problem.

Actually Mexicans who are here legally hate illegals more than anyone else. because its they who have to deal with most of these crap because of the illegals.

it will need 2 be at at a federal level their dug in cali's ass

TheDoc 04-26-2010 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 17074427)
Where do you get this stuff? It reads like something written by BP trying to make themselves sound effective or some contractor with a vested interest in seeing a wall built.

From your statement, you don't actually live here...

From Texas to Cali, the local news and papers have been reporting what business owners and land owners have been saying for years. Who do you think helped push the legislation to complete the wall, add to it, expand it? The people along the border - now why would they do that for 10+ years if it didn't work?

Come on... this isn't 5th grade math or anything.

stephane76 04-26-2010 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by kristin (Post 17067643)

It goes both ways, in western NY they are having farming issues because the large farming corporations hired a bunch of illegals and have now run the family farmer out of business. There were plenty of folk willing to farm, but that was taken away from them for lower wages and more productivity.

that reminds me back in the 80's, the INS was granting (permanent) green cards to any foreigner willing to work in the farming industry

Tom_PM 04-26-2010 08:16 AM

Any arrests yet? The way the fear mongers talk, the cops should have 10's of thousands of racially profiled families and kids in giant pens by now.

Maybe all the fear talk is just wrong.

jimmy-3-way 04-26-2010 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by sexdatesj (Post 17073882)
My 2cents, BORN AND RAISED IN CALIF and LIVING IN AZ FOR THE PAST 4 YEARS!
So, I have the RIGHT to bitch and complain :)

Right there's a much bigger problem with Arizona than Mexicans, IMO.

brassmonkey 04-26-2010 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kristin View Post

It goes both ways, in western NY they are having farming issues because the large farming corporations hired a bunch of illegals and have now run the family farmer out of business. There were plenty of folk willing to farm, but that was taken away from them for lower wages and more productivity.
problem with that is their not paying taxes and therefore their sqauting on the the system taking out and not putting in and on top of that wiring the earnings to their native country tax free :helpme

brassmonkey 04-26-2010 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 17075071)
Any arrests yet? The way the fear mongers talk, the cops should have 10's of thousands of racially profiled families and kids in giant pens by now.

Maybe all the fear talk is just wrong.

its a last ditch reminds me of the iraq war when they said they were winning the war :1orglaugh i backed obama im starting to change my mind about him :mad:

Tom_PM 04-26-2010 08:46 AM

I seriously wouldnt take anything Obama said on this to heart, because he's smart enough to know that he had to say SOMETHING. And misguided is perhaps the least offensive least divisive word he could have chosen. For all we can really read into it, we have no idea if Obama personally supports or opposes it. He doesnt need to say anything more in order to get congress to write up a bill. But he couldnt just avoid speaking about it completely or that would've been the dominant story; "president ignores questions on new arizona law" lol.

brassmonkey 04-26-2010 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 17075160)
I seriously wouldnt take anything Obama said on this to heart, because he's smart enough to know that he had to say SOMETHING. And misguided is perhaps the least offensive least divisive word he could have chosen. For all we can really read into it, we have no idea if Obama personally supports or opposes it. He doesnt need to say anything more in order to get congress to write up a bill. But he couldnt just avoid speaking about it completely or that would've been the dominant story; "president ignores questions on new arizona law" lol.

from what i heard his legal team is reviewing the new law

brassmonkey 04-26-2010 08:59 AM

200 running illegals

LoveSandra 04-26-2010 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 17067371)
the bill will be signed!!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

brassmonkey 04-26-2010 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by LoveSandra (Post 17075536)
:)

man that avatar scares me :helpme

brassmonkey 04-26-2010 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17075343)
thanx brass

sell that toe shit somewhere else :disgust

sexdatesj 04-26-2010 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 17073947)
the game is over illegals cant hide anymore did u see that mc donalds bust in mesa the manager was an illegal working here since 1996 :helpme and i bet she has kids in school tax free :mad:


Yup.. I know what you mean. I fired my Gardners already.. they cannot provide me
with REAL INFO.. so CYA LATER!

brassmonkey 04-26-2010 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sexdatesj (Post 17075579)
Yup.. I know what you mean. I fired my Gardners already.. they cannot provide me
with REAL INFO.. so CYA LATER!

yeah dont get caught employing illegals :)


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