Here is the deal, atleast in AZ. If you work in a FAST FOOD restuarant and you CANT SPEAK FUCKING ENGLISH AT ALL.. your 99.9% confirmed to be ILLEGAL!

I went to a McDonalds.. the fucking manager couldnt even say THANK YOU!

Nope, I am glad JANET NOPALITANO IS GONE, but she is gonna fuck shit up far worse now that she runs Homeland Security.

I am all about everyone being equal, DO IT THE RIGHT WAY! My family did when
they fled WWII and came here from Hungary. They became citizens.

I was born here.

yep instead of getting a green card they use some citizens # which they know is illegal which means jail time i think they need a tent city in mexico where they go and do their time not in our jails :2 cents:

Something like 726,000 anchor babies are born in the US every year
Average cost of a baby delivery is $10,000
that's over 7 billion dollars a year spent in hospitals on illegal aliens
More if there are complications, so the cost is easily over 10 billion a year
And we send aid to Mexico?

PHOENIX ? The conflict over a sweeping crackdown on illegal immigration in Arizona intensified Monday as vandals smeared refried beans in the shape of swastikas on the state Capitol's windows.

More protests were planned Monday after thousands gathered this weekend to demonstrate against a bill that will make it a state crime to be an illegal immigrant in Arizona.

Opponents say the law will lead to rampant racial profiling and turn Arizona into a police state with provisions that require police to question people about their immigrant status if they suspect they are here illegally. Day laborers can be arrested for soliciting work if they are in the U.S. illegally, and police departments can be sued if they don't carry out the law.

But supporters of the law, set to take effect in late July or August, say it is necessary to protect Arizonans from a litany of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. Arizona is home to an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants.

Gov. Jan Brewer, who signed the bill on Friday, argues Arizona must act because the federal government has failed to stop the steady stream of illegal immigrants and drugs that move through Arizona from Mexico. She is scheduled to speak about the issue Monday at a Tucson hotel.

The law has revved up the national debate, drawing the attention of the Obama administration and Congress. Obama has called the new law "misguided" and instructed the Justice Department to examine it to see if it's legal.

The new law makes it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally. Immigrants unable to produce documents showing they are allowed to be in the U.S. could be arrested, jailed for up to six months and fined $2,500.

Arizona officers would arrest people found to be undocumented and turn them over to federal immigration officers. Opponents said the federal government can block the law by refusing to accept them.

Democratic Rep. Raul Grijalva asked the federal government not to cooperate when illegal immigrants are picked up by local police.

State Sen. Russell Pearce, the Republican who sponsored the legislation, said it's "pretty disappointing" that opponents would call on the federal government to refuse to cooperate with Arizona authorities.

"It's outrageous that these people continue to support law breakers over law keepers," Pearce said Sunday.

Grijalva and civil rights activists promised to march in the streets and invite arrest by refusing to comply with the law. Police said the protests Sunday were peaceful and there were no clashes.

"We're going to overturn this unjust and racist law, and then we're going to overturn the power structure that created this unjust, racist law," Grijalva said.

U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., called on Obama to live up to a campaign promise to pass immigration reform. Gutierrez is one of the nation's loudest voices calling for comprehensive immigration reform that would create a pathway to citizenship for the millions of illegal immigrants now in the United States.

"Our message today is: 'Mr. President we listened, and we came out in record massive numbers to support you,'" he said. "We need you to support us today."

The law has drawn support from many in Arizona who are fed up with the many problems brought on by illegal immigration.

"If I go to another foreign country, if I go to Mexico, I have to have papers," said Bill Baker, 60, who took time off work at a downtown Phoenix restaurant to sell umbrellas and Mexican and American flags to the largely Hispanic crowd of protesters. "So I don't feel there's anything particularly harsh about the law."

Supporters have dismissed concerns about profiling, saying the law prohibits the use of race or nationality as the sole basis for an immigration check. Brewer has ordered state officials to develop a training course for officers to learn what constitutes reasonable suspicion that someone is in the U.S. illegally.

Current law in Arizona and most states doesn't require police to ask about the immigration status of those they encounter, and many police departments prohibit officers from inquiring out of fear immigrants won't cooperate in other investigations.

The March 27 shooting death of rancher Rob Krentz on his property in southeastern Arizona brought illegal immigration and border security into greater focus in the state. Authorities believe Krentz was killed by an illegal border crosser.


lines are being drawn fuckin racist are jumping in i figured that would happen but we need to be steady on reform and weed the racist out this is economic not racial.

Racial Profiling is just an inapplicable buzzword in this thing. And people need to realise it before real debate can happen.

Racial Profiling is when it just so happens that 90 out of 100 "random" stops are black drivers in a mostly white population.

Racial Profiling is when you say "we need to crack down on public monument picture taking" and then 9 out of 10 stops are asian people.

It's CLAIMING something as reason and USING a racial stereotype in actual practice.

I think we should just NUKE Arizona! I've fucking had it!

Cali has the most of any state.

# 1 California: 2,209,000
# 2 Texas: 1,041,000
# 3 New York: 489,000
# 4 Illinois: 432,000
# 5 Florida: 337,000
# 6 Arizona: 283,000
# 7 Georgia: 228,000
# 8 New Jersey: 221,000
# 9 North Carolina: 206,000
# 10 Colorado: 144,000


http://www.statemaster.com/graph/peo...gal-immigrants

Arizona has nowhere near what Cali deals with.

Az is the issue cali is in a later stage new mexico 2 :helpme :1orglaugh

I was responding directly to this question:

"Question is, does Arizona or California have the bigger illegal immigrant problem? Live in LA, visited AZ quite a few times, it's above even."

Cali has double the illegals Texas has, that should say a lot.

Texan's carry guns, LMAO

so do most cali folk i roll with.

"I never cruise LA without a gun in my lap" :thumbsup

After I get my concealed carry for louisiana and move back to cali i will get concealed permit there too. The only reason I dont have concealed permit now is because here in NOLA we dont need it to ride around in car with firearm. Vehicle is extension of home and guns are welcome in any home.

Don't Nuke LA just yet! Give me a heads up!

im not worried about cali :1orglaugh shit im trying to take care of my hood :pimp

Problem is that now all your cochroaches are heading to CALI

hmm maybe we should try to organize something that includes the border states im brain storming right now :winkwink:

You are a moron if you don't think the suburbs of Phoenix have issues from illegals. Like the illegals keep all the crime in Phoenix only. Criminals never break the law in suburbs. :eyecrazy:eyecrazy

I think he means the home invasions that have been happening around the valley. Pretty scary stuff. They even break in with people home.

there was a serial rapist in tempe/mesa border his victims were teen girls 13-16 he is an illegal

hehe home invasions are when someone is home, otherwise its just breaking and entering ;)

LOL that is true. I just think that is so scary. You are in your house minding your own business and someone kicks in your door and robs you.

their raiding the houses where illegals are holding thousands i think if they are working here illegally all money and property are turned over to the state just like a drug dealers stuff. it was gained illegally :2 cents:

well if your stacking the paper(money) and dont take it to a bank u get robbed

There was also the Baseline Killer and the serial shooters. They killed people in Phoenix, Tempe, and Mesa.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseline_Killer

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2007/07/...6771185923657/

Depends. Some of the home invasions were in very wealthy areas. Even if they don't have cash around, they have nice stuff. I remember in Scottsdale, they stole the man's Porsche.

WTF are you talking about???? The Baseline Killer and the shooters are all Americans.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh yeah

he was in chandler my mistake

Apr 4, 2010 ... Illegal alien known as "Chandler Rapist" receives 168 year sentence nice deal he done raping kids

Question for you Doc..you say 'shit loads of companies have been busted for illegal immigrants'. Do you have proof of that? From what I know/heard, in 2008 Arizona passed a law that REQUIRED business to register and use E-verify right? Less than 10% of Arizona businesses have registered. Why is noone upholding and enforcing that law? Why didnt Brewer & co go out and call out these businesses, fine them, jail them, close them down, etc? I'll tell you why, because Brewer and all politicians in AZ won't stand up to one of the biggest sources of this problem in AZ, because they need their votes and campaign contributions and god forbid they alienate them...

So again, to me it's like dealing with the effect but not the cause which has been the jist of my argument about this law and the system as a whole..

well they dont reveal them all theres some rule their going by. that was annouced a few days ago and yes the list is pretty big there was a article in the arizona republic but they didnt list them

you're talking about a list of companies in AZ that have hired illegals since the law passed in 2008?

yes a list companies audited by the authorities and illegals were found working there

Interesting, I'd love to hear how many actual businesses get fined or shut down and how many ceo's go to jail.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/val...rison_sent.php jesus christ! and also there was a place i think it was called the sub shop on 19th ave & indian school its been closed due to hiring illegals never to open again

Great..I hope more will follow, im glad im not the only one:

"ICE efforts targeting employers continued through this summer, which only seems fair considering all the illegal immigrants being deported these days. If undocumented workers themselves are a problem, it stands to reason the people who hire them are the root cause of that problem -- and should face consequences."

But unfortunately:

"Some worksite enforcement has occurred locally due to the state's employer sanctions law. But that has resulted only in the jailing of Hispanic employees, not their bosses. In fact, the state's law doesn't mandate jail time for employers in violation."

Seriously man, fuckers like this should not be allowed anywhere. Fucking had it.

Actually, I know Rep. Grijalva personally and he's a great guy. He's actually got a backbone and stands up for what he thinks is right.

hes trying to hurt my home its time for him to lose his position.the things they are saying is making it worse. dont spend the illegal earnings that are tax free :helpme 190 days till the election. wonder if voters will side with him saying boycott their state :winkwink:

He'll probably be re-elected in a landslide. Tucson/Nogales is full of Mexicans and liberals. Last election he pulled in like 65% of the votes. They love him down there and with good reason.

yeah tax free $$$$ freaking economic leaches

now wait till night time and cruise north phoenix in that shit :helpme be sure to film everything :1orglaugh

I have 29 years experience on the border. I am very familiar with the area and smuggling.

LOL @ a mayate bitching about crime and welfare fraud

Many illegal immigrants pay up at tax time

NASHVILLE ? The tax system collects its due, even from a class of workers with little likelihood of claiming a refund and no hope of drawing a Social Security check.
Illegal immigrants are paying taxes to Uncle Sam, experts agree. Just how much they pay is hard to determine because the federal government doesn't fully tally it. But the latest figures available indicate it will amount to billions of dollars in federal income, Social Security and Medicare taxes this year. One rough estimate puts the amount of Social Security taxes alone at around $9 billion per year.

more - http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/...ntstaxes_N.htm

are you here legally? do you have papers? :1orglaugh mayate

http://www.trackdayshots.com/posthos...eakEnglish.gif

you sound crazy because their using social security #'s not assigned to them!! their here illegally! :helpme

Yes, I am here legally. Born in Seattle.

Yes, I have papers.
http://www.mr-bills.com/images/Ziog%...w%20buring.jpg

I speak English better than you, chango.

You have a problem with people paying billions of dollars they will never get back into Social Security?

"Paycheck withholding collects much of the federal tax from illegal workers, just as it does for legal workers."

It's totally logical that a huge part of "illegal workers" have taxes withheld "ie: they aren't actually paying" - The majority that actually work, used a stolen ss number or a legal family members number. So the company actually pays the taxes for them and they just sign the paper at the end of the year. However, the illegal is yet again breaking another law, several of them actually.

Naturally some working illegals will pay into the voluntary tax fund, which they should. I'm cool with that but it doesn't mean it's a free ticket to stay here.

Not saying paying entitles them to stay here, just pointing out the "they don't pay into the system" accusation is not well founded.
I am an advocate of more sales taxes and less income taxes. Sales taxes are hard to get around.