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European Lee 12-18-2004 07:18 AM

I Could Shave You Even Though We're Using NATS
 
Anyone wanna take some bets on whether this statement is true or not? :Graucho

I guarantee its possible to shave even when using the NATS affiliate system :thumbsup

Regards,

Lee

Roald 12-18-2004 07:19 AM

I shaved my head this morning

Roald 12-18-2004 07:19 AM

we don't use NATS though

Napolean 12-18-2004 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
Anyone wanna take some bets on whether this statement is true or not? :Graucho

I guarantee its possible to shave even when using the NATS affiliate system :thumbsup

Regards,

Lee

you can shave with any software doesnt matter what you use :winkwink:

its all about how you mod it yourself, nothin too complicated

Manowar 12-18-2004 07:22 AM

PBucksJohn would probably disagree, seeing as his company made it.

European Lee 12-18-2004 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Napolean
you can shave with any software doesnt matter what you use :winkwink:

its all about how you mod it yourself, nothin too complicated

Okay let me re-phrase the comment..

I can shave you even if we use NATS without modifying the software.

Regards,

Lee

Twe Russ 12-18-2004 07:24 AM

I believe it can be done.

European Lee 12-18-2004 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twe Russ
I believe it can be done.
I KNOW it can be :Graucho

Regards,

Lee

Roald 12-18-2004 07:25 AM

did you shave your balls today?

Twe Russ 12-18-2004 07:25 AM

manipulating it? :Graucho

pradaboy 12-18-2004 07:48 AM

I bet you could, it's all about trust not software options :2 cents:

TMM_John 12-18-2004 08:33 AM

I'm not familiar with you using our product. If you are and you attempt to fuck with the numbers you'll be loosing your liscense. Enjoy.

Manowar 12-18-2004 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
I'm not familiar with you using our product. If you are and you attempt to fuck with the numbers you'll be loosing your liscense. Enjoy.
:thumbsup

European Lee 12-18-2004 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
I'm not familiar with you using our product. If you are and you attempt to fuck with the numbers you'll be loosing your liscense. Enjoy.
So does that mean you are agreeing that it is possible to shave using NATS?

Just want to clarify your position on that :)

Regards,

Lee

Gasper 12-18-2004 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
Okay let me re-phrase the comment..

I can shave you even if we use NATS without modifying the software.

Regards,

Lee

What would you like to shave first? Cock, balls, head? :Graucho

xclusive 12-18-2004 08:42 AM

So you are activly looking for ways to make programs shave so that you can rip off webmasters? Not shocking...

European Lee 12-18-2004 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xclusive
So you are activly looking for ways to make programs shave so that you can rip off webmasters? Not shocking...
Im not actively looking for anything lol

Common sense dictates that any program using any affiliate script can shave at any time they like.

Its not exactly brain surgery, you just have to spend all of 30 seconds to think about how it can be acheived if you felt the need to do so.

Regards,

Lee

TMM_John 12-18-2004 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
So does that mean you are agreeing that it is possible to shave using NATS?

Just want to clarify your position on that :)

Regards,

Lee

Everyone has a different defination of "shaving".

Some people consider going into the database and zero'ing out everyone's sales "shaving". Is this possible with NATS? Yes. But not so easily and we make it as difficult as possible. You can always fuck with the database or rewrite your DNS every 20 minutes or something. Of course that's possible. That's not shaving using NATS. That's shaving around NATS.

I've answered this question a million times. We have never said it is IMPOSSIBLE to shave for a program running NATS. We have said that there is NO SHAVE FEATURE in NATS unlike some softwares out there who decided to make it as easy as possible. We have also taken a very strong stance against it in that any program we find trying to fuck with the #s behind the affiliates back will loose their liscense and be taken to court.

You can always fuck with things. It's the internet. It's the point of us making it as hard as possible instead of as easy as possible as some others have chosen in the past. And also our stance against it should we ever find someone trying to manipluate the software.

Again, I don't recall ever working with you, so if you're associated with one of our clients, who is it?

I don't know who you are and I don't know why you decided it was a great idea to bust my balls on a Saturday morning, but it's been noted.

- Jesus Christ - 12-18-2004 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
I don't know who you are and I don't know why you decided it was a great idea to bust my balls on a Saturday morning, but it's been noted.
Hes a gay attention whore. :2 cents:

TMM_John 12-18-2004 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
Hes a gay attention whore. :2 cents:
LOL, that much I knew.

European Lee 12-18-2004 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
Everyone has a different defination of "shaving".

Some people consider going into the database and zero'ing out everyone's sales "shaving". Is this possible with NATS? Yes. But not so easily and we make it as difficult as possible. You can always fuck with the database or rewrite your DNS every 20 minutes or something. Of course that's possible. That's not shaving using NATS. That's shaving around NATS.

I've answered this question a million times. We have never said it is IMPOSSIBLE to shave for a program running NATS. We have said that there is NO SHAVE FEATURE in NATS unlike some softwares out there who decided to make it as easy as possible. We have also taken a very strong stance against it in that any program we find trying to fuck with the #s behind the affiliates back will loose their liscense and be taken to court.

You can always fuck with things. It's the internet. It's the point of us making it as hard as possible instead of as easy as possible as some others have chosen in the past. And also our stance against it should we ever find someone trying to manipluate the software.

Again, I don't recall ever working with you, so if you're associated with one of our clients, who is it?

I don't know who you are and I don't know why you decided it was a great idea to bust my balls on a Saturday morning, but it's been noted.

Thanks for the clarification :thumbsup

For the record though, without even having seen how NATS works i can tell you that no matter how advanced the script itself is, you dont have to touch ANYTHING on the scripting side of things to be able to shave signups.

Ill let you figure out the 'how then' though :)

Regards,

Lee

bigdog 12-18-2004 08:48 AM

it's too eary for drama on a saturday

TMM_John 12-18-2004 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
Thanks for the clarification :thumbsup

For the record though, without even having seen how NATS works i can tell you that no matter how advanced the script itself is, you dont have to touch ANYTHING on the scripting side of things to be able to shave signups.

Ill let you figure out the 'how then' though :)

Regards,

Lee

I gave you two ways in my post to go around it. It's not something impossible to figure out. You could unplug the sever and put another one in it's place twice a week. There are always ways to go around things. Our stance on it is what makes us different.

TMM_John 12-18-2004 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigdog
it's too eary for drama on a saturday
Sadly some people on this board have nothing better to do.

TMM_John 12-18-2004 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
Thanks for the clarification :thumbsup

For the record though, without even having seen how NATS works i can tell you that no matter how advanced the script itself is, you dont have to touch ANYTHING on the scripting side of things to be able to shave signups.

Ill let you figure out the 'how then' though :)

Regards,

Lee

Also, "put up or shut up" applies here. I can go around all day making claims I can fly or that I just bought Microsoft. Your words are words alone until you have something to back them up with.

xclusive 12-18-2004 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
Im not actively looking for anything lol

Common sense dictates that any program using any affiliate script can shave at any time they like.

Its not exactly brain surgery, you just have to spend all of 30 seconds to think about how it can be acheived if you felt the need to do so.

Regards,

Lee

Don't you think the stand up thing to do if you were stand up and email or ICQ John about a possible issue in the program if there is one so that nobody can shave? If it wasn't fixed then you should come to the board to warn people...

European Lee 12-18-2004 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
I gave you two ways in my post to go around it. It's not something impossible to figure out. You could unplug the sever and put another one in it's place twice a week. There are always ways to go around things. Our stance on it is what makes us different.
Why complicate things?

Just add some additional HTML / PHP code to a tour page.

Thats a much easier way to do it :2 cents:

Actually, to be fair, this isnt just true of NATS, its true of any affiliate script, whether they have been provided by a billing processor or by a third party company or even custom programmed.

Regards,

Lee

European Lee 12-18-2004 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
Also, "put up or shut up" applies here. I can go around all day making claims I can fly or that I just bought Microsoft. Your words are words alone until you have something to back them up with.
See my post above :thumbsup

Php incudes ;)

Regards,

Lee

European Lee 12-18-2004 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xclusive
Don't you think the stand up thing to do if you were stand up and email or ICQ John about a possible issue in the program if there is one so that nobody can shave? If it wasn't fixed then you should come to the board to warn people...
But its not an issue in the program, its an issue in EVERY program.

Regards,

Lee

TMM_John 12-18-2004 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
Why complicate things?

Just add some additional HTML / PHP code to a tour page.

Thats a much easier way to do it :2 cents:

Actually, to be fair, this isnt just true of NATS, its true of any affiliate script, whether they have been provided by a billing processor or by a third party company or even custom programmed.

Regards,

Lee

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

If you only had half a clue the checks and balances built in to detect that at points.

Move along. Obviously you were just in need of some attention this morning.

Also, I will be checking with all of our clients monday to see if you are associated with any of them.

If you are using NATS or working for someone who does please let me know. If you are not then please refrain from stating "We're Using NATS".

TMM_John 12-18-2004 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xclusive
Don't you think the stand up thing to do if you were stand up and email or ICQ John about a possible issue in the program if there is one so that nobody can shave? If it wasn't fixed then you should come to the board to warn people...
This is an example of nothing more than someone who needs some attention first thing in the morning. Some people thrive on "GFY Drama".

brand0n 12-18-2004 08:57 AM

so why not quit being sucha cocksucker (had to get 1 of those in) and tell them how you fucked up the soft so they can fix it?

just an idea.

Regards,

b

TMM_John 12-18-2004 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by brand0n
so why not quit being sucha cocksucker (had to get 1 of those in) and tell them how you fucked up the soft so they can fix it?

just an idea.

Regards,

b

That's called being mature and professional. Apparently our friend here would rather run to GFY with grand "claims" to get some sig views.

Dalai lama 12-18-2004 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
I'm not familiar with you using our product. If you are and you attempt to fuck with the numbers you'll be loosing your liscense. Enjoy.
:thumbsup

European Lee 12-18-2004 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
If you only had half a clue the checks and balances built in to detect that at points.
So you are saying it is not possible to use php includes to return a different page at any given time to strip the tracking section of the affiliates id on a tour page?

You might want to speak to your programmers to confirm this before you end up talking out of your ass any more :)

The simple fact is, no matter what type of affiliate software a sponsor uses, whether it be nats, mpa or, an ibill, ccbill or epoch linking code, it is possible to change the pages that surfers are presented with specifically not to include any typ of affiliate tracking.

Of course i realize this screws with your whole marketing plan for nats but the reality of it is, the method i mentioned above is a reality.


Regards,

Lee

some_idiot 12-18-2004 08:59 AM

Well duh!

You can pull just about any kind of crap you want in htaccess
rules before apache even hands the surfer off to scripts.

...do you want to get caught doing it though.

European Lee 12-18-2004 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by brand0n
so why not quit being sucha cocksucker (had to get 1 of those in) and tell them how you fucked up the soft so they can fix it?

just an idea.

Regards,

b

Perhaps you missed my post above stating this isnt just a nats issue? It is true on ANY type of affiliate based tracking.

Regards,

Lee

TMM_John 12-18-2004 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
So you are saying it is not possible to use php includes to return a different page at any given time to strip the tracking section of the affiliates id on a tour page?

You might want to speak to your programmers to confirm this before you end up talking out of your ass any more :)

The simple fact is, no matter what type of affiliate software a sponsor uses, whether it be nats, mpa or, an ibill, ccbill or epoch linking code, it is possible to change the pages that surfers are presented with specifically not to include any typ of affiliate tracking.

Of course i realize this screws with your whole marketing plan for nats but the reality of it is, the method i mentioned above is a reality.


Regards,

Lee

You should give reading what I wrote a try. Might make you look like less of an idiot.

Can you do that? Yes.

Will we eventually catch wind of it and terminate your liscense? Yes.

European Lee 12-18-2004 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by some_idiot
Well duh!

You can pull just about any kind of crap you want in htaccess
rules before apache even hands the surfer off to scripts.

...do you want to get caught doing it though.

Dont know about getting caught doing it becase the fact remains we wouldnt do it at all.

I just wanted to point out that putting faith blindly in a program because of th type of affiliate script they are using is crazy at best.

Regards,

Lee

TMM_John 12-18-2004 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by European Lee
Perhaps you missed my post above stating this isnt just a nats issue? It is true on ANY type of affiliate based tracking.

Regards,

Lee

Yet you chose to claim you're using NATS in your topic to get more attention? I'm flattered.


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