Come on John... don't be so arrogant.. You know as well as i do, GIGO. That simple law makes shaving very easy regardless of what software one uses.

So just to clarify..

It is possible to shave if we did in fact use NATS?

However if you somehow found out about it, you would terminate our license?

Regards,

Lee

Nats is the latest 'fad' in the industry, just as mpa was several months back, i could quite easily have used any affiliate script name in the thread topic, the fact still remains though, shaving is possible irrespective of the affiliate script being used.

You can debate the issue all you like, it doesnt change the fact it is truth.

Regards,

Lee

I have no idea what GIGO is. And also, you're missing the point. I've said you can put things around NATS to fuck with the #s, of course you can. I have NEVER MADE THE CLAIM THAT YOU CAN'T. We simply keep our eyes 100% open for it. Have things in place to watch for it. And have very strict penatlies should someone be caught doing so.

You people need to stop going over and over the same point again after I address it. I'm getting tired of typing the same thing over and over again becuase people don't read it.

Again and again and again and again.

I have never said it's impossible.

Move along and get your attention from someone else please.

Yes, as I said you could change your DNS every 20 minutes. You could swap servers every hour. You could not send checks, etc.

And yes, in a heart beat they would.

I'm done with this thread. It's a Saturday morning and believe it or not I have things to do.

I've stated our standing 30 times in this thread alone. If you don't get it by now you never will.

Enjoy your day everyone.

Okay thanks.

Although i still dont understand why someone would want to do something as complicated as changing their DNS every 20 minutes when it is as simple as adding a .php include to a tour page.

Ah well, i guess it takes all sorts.

Regards,

Lee

If you were a dog, you would chase your tail all day long. You really enjoy going in circles.

Good bye.

Garbage In Garbage Out. Its a pun of FIFO (First In First Out) or a Queue vs LIFO (Last In First Out) aka a Stack.

Anyway, I am not trying to bust your balls. But a false sense of security is far worse then no security at all.

Shaving happens, and no amount of checks and balances could ever stop it. As long as a system works on decisions based on information from an outside source the logic can be cracked.

I do commend your efforts to curb shaving, don't get me wrong. I am very passionate about coding, and appreciate anyone who puts their blood sweat and tears into a project.

:thumbsup

Agreed and that was the point i was ultimately making :)

Regards,

Lee

Nice reply, POST WHORE !

if it is true of every program, why put one programs name in the title of the thread? Might fuck up their reputation for no reason.

Evan

Because it was the first program that came to mind while i was writing the thread title.

Plus, nats really is the hype of the industry right now, just like in 6-12 months time a different program will be.

Regards,

Lee

The NATS Crew run a tight ship!

I am thrilled to be using it :thumbsup


NATS does not suppor this option unless you
fuck with the coding or something.

I am willing to be that 90% of the sponsors
that pay PER SIGNUP and offer more then $35 a
join are shaving :winkwink:

Partnership is coming back faster then the Polar Express!

I was wondering why you were arguing with a THIEF.

He is a scumbag that only deserves to be reminded to pay what he owes.

Didn't his last sig sponsor demand he take their brand outta his sig before the month was up?

European Lee = Lying thief, and he admitted it in the BlueDesignStudios thread a while back

I got to agree with the trust issue. I personally love my affiliate system. I self coded it and it is very customizable to my system and affiliates needs. I know EXACTLY how it works and can easily add anything as needed.

Now on that note, my partner wants to move to NATS because "people trust it and it will bring in webmasters." I know dam well I don't rip anyone off. My current webmasters know this too. I don't think paying 700 a month for a system that does EXACTLY what mine does, with extra shit I don't need, and the customization that makes mine nice, is worth it.

I know dam well I can easily edit databases and shave my affiliates using NATS. If I wanted to, all I have to do is change the Epoch post back database to show sales under other affiliates and you will be "Shaved." I would NEVER rip off people because they make me my money.

I really hate fucktard attention whores.
I really do.

Fucking idiot.

The false sense of security point made me want to reply to this thread. This whole "we make it harder, etc." marketing approach along with open battles with the owners of MPA3 doesn't seem right. I'm sure there are individuals with the similar mind set of PIBCASH (known thief's) who'll try to bank on the fact that webmasters may actually believe "anyone who uses NATS can't shave". I know NATS owners throw in lines saying "but we never said it couldn't be done" etc. but these words seem to come a little too late. Also, all these claims of "oh, we'll take away you license, etc." .. well how about putting into effect the same policy when sponsors go the extra step themselves and say "We are using the NATS affiliate system and cannot modify your stats." .. allowing that should be a crime in itself.

I liked NATS when they camed out, but to be honest I don't like the way they promote their product. MPA fucked up and made a shave feature, yes, it was a stupid fault. But Im tired of hearing about it in every "NATS" thread, that they don't made shaving that easy like "some other" company.

Same here.

But that's the pure truth. Plain and simple.

Aye.

MPA2 is and was a joke!

I lost money, had fucked up ratio's lost databases and
I had PHP problems almost every day! We crashed more
times in a month then I can even remember.

We lost MORE webmasters due to FUCKED up ratios
when we used MPA2.

Once we switched to NATS, bette ratio's, more money
and happier webmasters! BEST OF ALL, WE HAVE NOT CRASHED
ONCE AS A RESULT OF NATS!


You do that math!

:winkwink:

Didnt your right hand man quit and then told everyone how you shave at like 40%? I dont think mpa was the reason you lost webmasters.

LOL! Now thats a great.:glugglug

HA.. if that were the case then I would not have any bills
or credit card debt.:1orglaugh

No, we had 2 regular employees quit and move back
to Calif. 1 of them was pissed cuz' I refused to pay him
commissions when he gave me 1 days notice and left
me hanging. ( this was 15 months ago )

I later agreed and paid him since he was a long time friend.

Thats why hiring friends is BAD BUSINESS!

My right hand guy still works with me.

But you have had some technical issues with nats :2 cents:

http://www.gamediacorp.com/nats.jpg

You might want to actually click your sig once in a while:1orglaugh

Regards,

Lee

damn didn't know partnership programs are in the in thing now

Thats a config or mysql issue you fucktard.

You two are repeating the same things over and over. Time for Lee to STFU.

That is a mysql issue, not a NATS issue. You are grabbing for desperate things now, I don't know why you feel the need to attack NATS.


However, even thought it is not a NATS issue we can not reach joel but we are on his server looking to fix it :) It seems that mysql is not running at all, but myisamchk is so it appears as if his host is trying to do something with mysql. We are on top of it and it will be fixed shortly.

THAT is the kind of service NATS provides it's clients.

I've reached Joel's host. One of his harddrives became full and they are moving the MySQL data to another partition.

It will be back up shortly.

NOT a NATS bug. Not a software issue. Lee, you need to stop making the assumptions and throwing accustations around.

The problem will be resolved shortly even though Joel is not around and it's a saturday afternoon. NATS takes care of our customers.

good for you yerapeein lee

It's *not* a NATS issue.

Are partition filled up and my host XXXWEBHOSTING.com is
fixing it now.

It's a database issue that we already knew about.

Thanks John.. my host spotted the problem prior
to any of us knowing :winkwink:

XXXWEBHOSTING has alerts installed to let them know
if something is wrong before it gets out of hand.

I have been with them since 1997, there is a reason for that.

Joel from Boobdollars.com was repeatedly shut down using MPA2 due to non payment of his rent fees.

I believe we shut him down 5-6 times during the course of him being an MPA2 client for non-payment and let him slide for months when repeated promises to pay us kept on being made.

After the last time we shut him off for non-payment he moved away from using MPA2. I would too if I was Joel - he could not afford having Mansion Productions shut off his MPA2 anymore.

This is not a unique occurrence with MPA2 clients that this happens. But Joel was one of the worst. He is a liar and I have all the communication with him in emails and ICQ if anyone doubts my word on this.

That is all I should need to say about the above comments from Joel the ex-MPA2 affiliate program owner that does not pay neither for his affiliate program rent fees nor his affiliates. PS. (http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...02#post6092102)

I would stay away from Boobdollars.com no matter what affiliate program software he use.

As for Nats - they seem to have a good program going for them and I wish them all the luck in this industry with clients like Joel and Boobdollars.com

:2 cents:

For a minute there I thought you were actually not going to take a stab at us. :(

I think he was taking a stab at Boobdollars, not you John ;)

European Lee, you're an idiot who keeps saying the same idiotic thing over and over no matter what response you get. The very definition of a pain in the ass.

Oystein is good people without a dishonest bone in his body. John and Fabian from NATS are two of the smartest, most practical problem-solving programmers I've run across in this industry. European Lee is an attention whore.

If I mistook him I appologize :)