Sorry, one last thing.

we're in English means we are. He did quote the threads actual title.

Three things come from this thread:

1. Joel Raes once again is shown to be a liar and a cheating sack of shit.

2. The guys at Nats seem to be doing something worthwhile for program owners and for webmasters.

3. Lee is still an idiot - and anything that he is related to should be kept as far away as possible, as he states:

Hey guys

This is Matt from Wildcash.com

We use NATS and it rocks.

We totally support NATS's no shave stance and its good for the programs who use it.

If a program owner is going to start up a program and plan on shaving affilates to make their money TRUST ME they won't be signing up with NATS cause NATS states that they will turn your license off if they catch you and eventually they will if its happening.

Other programs you know can easily add global shaves, special affialte shaves whatever they want and very advanced custom shaving thats hard to detect. http://www.pibcash.com/ had a pretty advanced shaving system I logged in and saw it. The great thing about promoting NATS programs is that you know they DON'T have an advanced custom system they wouldn't be so stupid to try to shave on an affilate software that threatens lawsuits & turning off their licenses if caught shaving. If they wanted to shave they would buy an affilate program that gives them source code and then have their programmers write in the custom shave code.

So Lee's point of weather its possible or not is bullshit IMO. It might be possible somehow some way but if your a immoral shit who wants to shave affilates you sure as hell won't bother trying to get around NATS's system, its just not worth the risk.

NATS runs perfectly for us right now, I highly suggest using NATS

anything European Lee is involved with is now shit in my book. I haven't seen such an obnoxious repetitive shit since sexedu got banned.

He's so oblivious he could be a bot.

I think you stated that you use NATS on the topic heading.

Naturally, those who read this thread can make the safe assumption that you use NATS.

interesting

He's the same guy who stated his site retained at 95% before it was a month old.

Nothing like a little sensationalistic posting, Lee.....time for GA to rein you in again.

And, don't bother attacking me....I'm done with this thread.

John,

You and Nathan shouldn't be talking about being professional and mature. If you are so professional than why are we paying for an advertising slot that you declined to advertise on since one of our employees was a moderator there. This woman was going through some tough times and we thought we would go ahead and help her due to your childish act. So don't go around talking about being mature ;) Also I congratulated you on NATS back in the summer, you saw it but declined to accept it. Real professionals you and Nathan are. :1orglaugh

Now back to this subject of NATS being shave proof and don't sit there and try to say you guys haven't ever said that or implied it. You have done this for the past 6 months. In the beginning only a handful confronted you on it. Now that has been determined that programs can shave when using nats, you are backing off on that statement and saying it is almost impossible and if you do we will catch you.

That's BULLSHIT :) I could have something made in one day that would clearly allow NATS merchants the ability to shave. I will never do this because it is something I firmly stand against. I have done so since 1998 and will continue to do so as long as I am alive. I do not go around though telling people you CANNOT shave using my solutions. You can shave with or without my solutions and you will always be able to do so. If I catch you, you'll be using someone else I can guarantee you that.

What you have done is left a false sense of security with everyone using NATS. Telling them that it is shaveproof and they could promote their program that way. Most do, here is a few old posts I had bookmarked. I have the urls if anyone needs them.

Thread 1.

Lensman: quote:Originally posted by papichulo
Which one has a RAZOR feature?

No shave possible with NATS, can't speak for the rest.

Thread 2.

angeleyes: It's not possible to shave with NATS and the owners, no matter how much money offered will not build in that feature either. I have first hand knowledge of this.

These posts was months ago as I haven't been on GFY for about 4 or 5 months now. I actually came here because of an error I got from a program using NATS,


So I come over to gfy for the first time in a VERY VERY long time and once I complete this post I will not come back probably for another several months. We don't have to play the petty little games and refuse to do so. We have focused on making money and giving our customers what they need in order to run a successful affiliate program, which is why I am in business in the first place.

Before I go, here is another post others may be interested in (it was on another board so I can't post the url):

angeleyes: It's not possible to shave with NATS and the owners, no matter how much money offered will not build in that feature either. I have first hand knowledge of this.
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makefuckingmoney: I believe the NATS guy admitted it was possible to shave them.

So to say its not shaveable is misleading

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

fthylmann: Where did I admit its possible to shave? You pointed out multiple ways you think its possible to "shave" by handling the postback, and I told you why every single one of them is not an effective way to do it out of various reasons.

Fabian Thylmann
Too Much Media LLC
NATS - Next-generation Administration & Tracking Software

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

makefuckingmoney: my point is that it IS shaveable..while it doesnt have built in shave functions, any programmer could filter the postback VERY easily.

and thats a fact jack!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

fthylmann: Do you even listen?

Filtering the postback _DOES NOT HELP_ It would just DELAY us getting the data. We would get the sale info and import it between 15 minutes and 24 hours later, depending on the biller and the time of day.

Blocking postback data does NOT HELP.

I have enough of this constant back and forth, if you do not read what I write, so be it. There is no way to shave in NATS and noone has given us any explanation or description of how he would add shaving externally which WORKS. Now THAT is a fact. If anyone can think of a way to do shaving, feel free to suggest it, and I will tell you why it does not work, just like I told MFM 3 times now (even if he does not listen).

I have said multiple times, and I will say so again, we have MANY systems in place in NATS to prevent shaving. And we will be adding new ones when we ourself (or others) figure out ways to circumvent any. We have not yet found any ways to do so.

Enough about this...


__________________
--
Fabian Thylmann
Too Much Media LLC
NATS - Next-generation Administration & Tracking Software

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahaha=

That about sums up what you have been telling the adult community for the past six months. Don't sit there and try to say you haven't. Your insulting some of the posters intelligence.


Since I have spent an hour this morning reading this thread, digging up old threads and showing some of the facts. For those of you who want an alternative to the HIGH PRICED nats program that your currently using, we will sell you our software for a 1.00. We'll call it the "$1.00 you can shave with nats EASILY sympathy sale."

You must be currently using NATS and truly interested in switching. People looking to just peek at or copy our code will be dealt with. For those that do switch, it will be kept private. We will not rub it in nats noses by using your brand name. I will have enough satisfaction in knowing I am taking away money they would otherwise be earning :Graucho

I had actually planned on doing this months ago but declined not to because of it being so childish. Since I have spent the time this morning making the post I might as well make it a worthwhile one. :winkwink:

I'll probably go ahead and make sure the thread is bumped up tomorrow morning. Other than that, you can contact me via ICQ or email. It will be another couple of months before coming back here.

You can view a demo of our newest release at: http://taboorevenue.com/page/demo

It has cascading billing, content management,multiple site management and is a solid solution used by thousands worldwide. Definitely worth a 1.00 :) For others considering using NATS, we will offer you a sale (for a limited number of copies) as well. We'll maybe charge you 2.00 :) You'll need to show use where you have been in contact with them regarding their solution. Other than that, that's it :)

For some that might not have heard of us, we have been providing quality affiliate tracking solutions since 1997. AffiliateZone.com was our first website: http://web.archive.org/web/199812030...liatezone.com/

We now provide tracking solutions to various Fortune 500 companies and scaled back on promoting some of our adult solutions. So when I saw I could have something made in a days time that would enable someone to shave EASILY using nats. It's because I know what I am talking about ;)

John, Nathan, be careful as to who you try to piss on in the future, they may very well piss on you instead. :1orglaugh

Craig Belcher
craig at tabootracking dot com

I didn't "decline" an advertising spot on RatedHot. I told Marsha (who I have been paying for years for something else she does for me) that I felt weird advertising in a place where one of our competitors is a moderator. Nothing wrong with that in my book.

Making a comment like this on your part is completely fucked up. You have no idea of the history Marsha and myself have. I have helped her out far more than you ever will when she needed it. So please don't go and drag people's personal situations around and use them as bargaining chips. You have no clue what you're talking about and it's completely fucked up to try to even bring that up to us.


The rest of your post is full of "hahahahahahahha" and shit and I can't make much of it out. I'll try to decipher it but I doubt I'll have much luck.

It seems you're quoting what Fabian has said. I can't make most of it out in any type of choronological or understandable order. What I can make out was him stating you couldn't shave WITH nats. There is no shaving with NATS. What is being brought up here is that program owners can still be shady and do things around NATS. And I've stated my views on that.

Your post is completely unprofessional, ununderstandable and full of threats and insults. I'll leave it at that.

You feeling the need to jump in here and advertise your product speaks volumes.

Just deciphered more of your post. Seems you're offering to "discount people" who are considering NATS. Pretty desperate.

Perhaps you're only pissed we just moved someone off your system to ours and not vice-versa.

You're old news and unprofessional.

Damn i rememebr you guys saying *It is not possible to shave with NATS*


Now you are covering it up and saying *It is not possible to shave WITH NATS, but its possible while using NATS*

Everyone who has half a brain knows that you guys were aggresively marketing your shit as a *NO shave solution.. You made webmasters believe that it was 100% impossible for any program using NATS to shave....

This statement is false however.. and now you covered it up and said that there is no shave option in NATS..

..

deleted it.

Being in this biz for about 8 years now, there is one thing I know beyond all doubt: You get what you pay for, and 1.00 doesn't buy anything worth having.

Dude, your point is lost. If you did do this, the affiliates would notice it right away. If you deleted sales the postback would recover them from the billers. You lost. No affiliate program is shaving with NATS or while using NATS. If you want to post one that is, and you can prove it, I am sure their license will no longer be valid. If you can't do this, then just shut up. Talking to you is really annoying. You have been a GFYDonkey.com recipient for the entire year.

does this include shaving my balls?

alot to read here,
No software can claim that it is impossible to shave using them. period. Nats I will admit has excellent software and I've heard nothing but great things. I have watched over the last few months as the have agressively used the "no shave" using nats
as a sales tactic and attacked other competitors for having a feature something we all know "some" program owners wanted.
The offer for $1.00 software IMO is ridiculous, but I cant say what goes thru anyones mind. I can tell you this, there are Other options to Nats, we have never claimed to be perfect nor would we, but I can say our affiliate software has all a program owner needs and we're currently running a holiday special.


See our Offer:

:thumbsup

Good post :)

Just to clarify we have marketed NATS has having no shave feature, which it does not. Other software has in the past and I'm sure there are softwares out there which still do. Whether or not a program owner wanted it does not make it right for a software company to build it in for them.

The $1.00 thing made me laugh also, I can't imagine what kind of support they will be providing for $1.

Wether or not you can shave with nats it's still the best affilate software out there for the money. Nats got people scared, maybe they should raise their prices a bit so their competition can compete with them.

I thought that thing was NADS not NATS.

As stated earlier in the thread, you get what you pay for.
Anyone buying software for $1.00 either is broke or doesnt give a shit about support. From what I can see Nats and Mpa both are
relatively expensive if bought outright, but you do get what you pay for. The affiliate software field will in future im sure have more competition which in turn is good for the program owners.
More competition, lower costs etc. We being new in the game have tried to build software that meets the clients needs and offer several options to make even the smallest program owner able to purchase/rent the needed software to run his/her program. This along with the special we're running allows another option for program owners to look at.
:)
See our Offer:

:thumbsup

Raven,

I dont know why im even replying to you but as im sure a lot of people can tell you and your husband are nothing but scam artists who rip people off.

What the real reason you were both fired from EC? Was it something to do with the THOUSANDS of dollars you bilked from Steve at every tradeshow without being able to provide receipts?

Why do you think Gary and I have very little to do with you and wont give you the time of day at the shows?

Im done with you.

Regards,

Lee

Bingo :thumbsup

Regards,

Lee

this thread is so lame

Hi Nathan,

Quick question- you never addressed the .htaccess and mod_rewrite/mod_perl examples questioned in this thread. It appears companies host their own dns/domain - so how would nats efficiently audit traffic redirection on the inbound surfer- the hit could still show up in nats i assume, just under the wrong id.

Thanks in advance-

as an affiliate....

ive had no luck with nats....

either....the programs ive used havent set them up right, or they are shaving, or..... i dont know.... but the sales have not added up... and i and im not impressed so far....

they mau be great for paysite owners, but if affiliates arent making sales.... forget about them continuing to advertise. You might make some sales off them at first, but they will stop advertising REAL QUICK!

I'm sure your traffic repsents everyone's including the numerous people who have said ratios are much better once a program switches to NATS. If you feel you need to blame the affiliate software for your traffic not converting you need to take a long look at why you're in this business. Someone could always buy NATS and setup shitty sites with it. A few programs and your traffic don't represent the whole industry.

I'm not technical enough to answer your question in that regard. However, read the thread, we've said a # of times that of course things can be fucked with. I can send you checks for wrong amounts too. We can't prevent everything, what we can do is take a strong stance against it unlike many in this business and if we catch someone trying to do something we can take action against it. Not encourage it as some have done. That's the point we've been trying to make.

gay webmaster BASH

how fitting

Very good post:
No software company can ensure what a sponsor does. Period.
If his traffic isnt converting that could be any number of things
( IE: design, wrong niche, shitty content etc etc )
What we as software providers can do is ensure that Everything is done from OUR end to see that If you try to shave or fuck with the code in any manner, you will eventually be caught and have your Liscence revoked. Period.
What specific programs/sponsors do is up to them, we just have to have as many checks in place as we can to assure Quality.


Need Affiliate software? 10% get it now:
:thumbsup

John,

We don't have to sale our software for a 1.00 or a 1000.00 to anyone on this board. If you had read the post you would have seen why I was doing it. We have bigger fish to fry that you.

My whole post was to point out just how you have been touting nats as being shave proof.

If others want to use your software because of false advertising you feeding them, we have no problem with that. This thread by Lee was to point out that you can shave with nats, and easily at that. His not the only one saying this. I'm not going to go back through this thread and count all the other people that has pointed out what you have obviously been telling everyone. Which is lies.

I've already spent too much time on this and need to get back to work.

Before you go, you never did reply directly to my post other than:

Just deciphered more of your post. Seems you're offering to "discount people" who are considering NATS. Pretty desperate.

Perhaps you're only pissed we just moved someone off your system to ours and not vice-versa.

Let me pull out the part I like most and could you comment as to why Fabian would make such a statement like this if you hadn't been advertising your solution as shave proof?

BEGIN THREAD:

angeleyes: It's not possible to shave with NATS and the owners, no matter how much money offered will not build in that feature either. I have first hand knowledge of this.


makefuckingmoney: I believe the NATS guy admitted it was possible to shave them.

So to say its not shaveable is misleading


fthylmann: Where did I admit its possible to shave? You pointed out multiple ways you think its possible to "shave" by handling the postback, and I told you why every single one of them is not an effective way to do it out of various reasons.

Fabian Thylmann
Too Much Media LLC
NATS - Next-generation Administration & Tracking Software


makefuckingmoney: my point is that it IS shaveable..while it doesnt have built in shave functions, any programmer could filter the postback VERY easily.

and thats a fact jack!

fthylmann: Do you even listen?

Filtering the postback _DOES NOT HELP_ It would just DELAY us getting the data. We would get the sale info and import it between 15 minutes and 24 hours later, depending on the biller and the time of day.

Blocking postback data does NOT HELP.

I have enough of this constant back and forth, if you do not read what I write, so be it. There is no way to shave in NATS and noone has given us any explanation or description of how he would add shaving externally which WORKS. Now THAT is a fact. If anyone can think of a way to do shaving, feel free to suggest it, and I will tell you why it does not work, just like I told MFM 3 times now (even if he does not listen).

I have said multiple times, and I will say so again, we have MANY systems in place in NATS to prevent shaving. And we will be adding new ones when we ourself (or others) figure out ways to circumvent any. We have not yet found any ways to do so.

Enough about this...


__________________
--
Fabian Thylmann
Too Much Media LLC
NATS - Next-generation Administration & Tracking Software

END THREAD.

I hope you can read it a little better now. Now you might be able to explain it.

Your going to sit there and say that you or others (we) have never said you couldn't shave with nats :1orglaugh

You should go on the road :)

Again if we were desperate we would be in banging heads with you everyday. We are not going to do that because

1. We don't need too.
2. We will not stoop as you low as you have stooped in promoting your product. Period.

Remember this, what comes around goes around my friend and you'll get yours one day.

I'm outta here for probably another 4 months.

To all the other GFY's I haven't seen and talked to.

Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

See you in 4 months!

Sorry I had edited it to fix a few typos and remove the what comes around statement. I felt it sound to much like a threat. Here is how it should have looked with some bold TYPE so John could read easier.

John,

We don't have to sale our software for a 1.00 or a 1000.00 to anyone on this board. If you had read the post you would have seen why I was doing it. We have bigger fish to fry that you.

My whole post was to point out just how you have been touting nats as being shave proof.

If others want to use your software because of the false advertising you have been feeding them, we have no problem with that. This thread by Lee was to point out that you can shave with nats, and easily at that. He is not the only one saying this. I'm not going to go back through this thread and count all the other people that has pointed out what you have obviously been telling everyone. Which is lies.

I've already spent too much time on this and need to get back to work.

Before I go, you never did reply directly to my post other than:

[QUOTE]
Just deciphered more of your post. Seems you're offering to "discount people" who are considering NATS. Pretty desperate.

Perhaps you're only pissed we just moved someone off your system to ours and not vice-versa. [/QOUTE]

Let me pull out the part I like most and could you comment as to why Fabian would make such a statement like this if you hadn't been advertising your solution as shave proof?

BEGIN THREAD:

angeleyes: It's not possible to shave with NATS and the owners, no matter how much money offered will not build in that feature either. I have first hand knowledge of this.


makefuckingmoney: I believe the NATS guy admitted it was possible to shave them.

So to say its not shaveable is misleading


fthylmann: Where did I admit its possible to shave? You pointed out multiple ways you think its possible to "shave" by handling the postback, and I told you why every single one of them is not an effective way to do it out of various reasons.

Fabian Thylmann
Too Much Media LLC
NATS - Next-generation Administration & Tracking Software


makefuckingmoney: my point is that it IS shaveable..while it doesnt have built in shave functions, any programmer could filter the postback VERY easily.

and thats a fact jack!

fthylmann: Do you even listen?

Filtering the postback _DOES NOT HELP_ It would just DELAY us getting the data. We would get the sale info and import it between 15 minutes and 24 hours later, depending on the biller and the time of day.

Blocking postback data does NOT HELP.

I have enough of this constant back and forth, if you do not read what I write, so be it. There is no way to shave in NATS and noone has given us any explanation or description of how he would add shaving externally which WORKS. Now THAT is a fact. If anyone can think of a way to do shaving, feel free to suggest it, and I will tell you why it does not work, just like I told MFM 3 times now (even if he does not listen).

I have said multiple times, and I will say so again, we have MANY systems in place in NATS to prevent shaving. And we will be adding new ones when we ourself (or others) figure out ways to circumvent any. We have not yet found any ways to do so.

Enough about this...


__________________
--
Fabian Thylmann
Too Much Media LLC
NATS - Next-generation Administration & Tracking Software

END THREAD.

I hope you can read it a little better now. Now you might be able to explain it.

Your going to sit there and say that you or your employees (which is: we) have never said you couldn't shave with nats :1orglaugh

You should go on the road :)

Again if we were desperate we would be in banging heads with you everyday. We are not going to do that because

1. We don't need too.
2. We will not stoop as you low as you have stooped in promoting your product. Period.

I'm outta here for probably another 4 months.

To all the other GFY's I haven't seen and talked to.

Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by taboo_dude
Sorry I had edited it to fix a few typos and remove the what comes around statement. I felt it sound to much like a threat. Here is how it should have looked with some bold TYPE so John could read easier.

John,

We don't have to sale our software for a 1.00 or a 1000.00 to anyone on this board. If you had read the post you would have seen why I was doing it. We have bigger fish to fry that you.

My whole post was to point out just how you have been touting nats as being shave proof.

If others want to use your software because of the false advertising you have been feeding them, we have no problem with that. This thread by Lee was to point out that you can shave with nats, and easily at that. He is not the only one saying this. I'm not going to go back through this thread and count all the other people that has pointed out what you have obviously been telling everyone. Which is lies.

I've already spent too much time on this and need to get back to work.

Before I go, you never did reply directly to my post other than:

Quote:

Just deciphered more of your post. Seems you're offering to "discount people" who are considering NATS. Pretty desperate. Perhaps you're only pissed we just moved someone off your system to ours and not vice-versa. [/QOUTE] Let me pull out the part I like most and could you comment as to why Fabian would make such a statement like this if you hadn't been advertising your solution as shave proof? BEGIN THREAD: angeleyes: It's not possible to shave with NATS and the owners, no matter how much money offered will not build in that feature either. I have first hand knowledge of this. makefuckingmoney: I believe the NATS guy admitted it was possible to shave them. So to say its not shaveable is misleading fthylmann: Where did I admit its possible to shave? You pointed out multiple ways you think its possible to "shave" by handling the postback, and I told you why every single one of them is not an effective way to do it out of various reasons. Fabian Thylmann Too Much Media LLC NATS - Next-generation Administration & Tracking Software makefuckingmoney: my point is that it IS shaveable..while it doesnt have built in shave functions, any programmer could filter the postback VERY easily. and thats a fact jack! fthylmann: Do you even listen? Filtering the postback _DOES NOT HELP_ It would just DELAY us getting the data. We would get the sale info and import it between 15 minutes and 24 hours later, depending on the biller and the time of day. Blocking postback data does NOT HELP. I have enough of this constant back and forth, if you do not read what I write, so be it. There is no way to shave in NATS and noone has given us any explanation or description of how he would add shaving externally which WORKS. Now THAT is a fact. If anyone can think of a way to do shaving, feel free to suggest it, and I will tell you why it does not work, just like I told MFM 3 times now (even if he does not listen). I have said multiple times, and I will say so again, we have MANY systems in place in NATS to prevent shaving. And we will be adding new ones when we ourself (or others) figure out ways to circumvent any. We have not yet found any ways to do so. Enough about this... __________________ -- Fabian Thylmann Too Much Media LLC NATS - Next-generation Administration & Tracking Software END THREAD. I hope you can read it a little better now. Now you might be able to explain it. Your going to sit there and say that you or your employees (which is: we) have never said you couldn't shave with nats :1orglaugh You should go on the road :) Again if we were desperate we would be in banging heads with you everyday. We are not going to do that because 1. We don't need too. 2. We will not stoop as you low as you have stooped in promoting your product. Period. I'm outta here for probably another 4 months. To all the other GFY's I haven't seen and talked to. Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

I thought you didn't care. If you don't care why are you getting so worked up about things.

See you in 4 months!

edit: I'm not taking the time to reply to you. You post incoherrent things. Your posts are full of pieces of things thrown together out of context in a mishmash of ununderstandable text. Your posts are full of typos and screwed up grammer. I'm not going to sit here and argue with you either, I've done it a # of times in this thread already and you seem very stubborn and stuck up (for what I don't know) so you'll never listen to anything anyone has to say.

So, I'll see you in 4 months! Enjoy your holidays!

Modify the sign up page so it carries code sometimes and sometimes not.

Something tells me you didn't read the entire thread. I'm not typinging it over and over again.

No worries John. Apology accepted.

I shaved my anus today and then Juicy D Links petetrated it with his circumsized penis :(

Okay Sparky... Care to comment on your 'checks and balances' now that J+A have caught you out too?

Regards,

Lee

bump for the info