Cutting 12 Billion from Food Stamps

[Vendzilla]

How the government is screwing up the economy
so they are taking away 12 billion from food stamps to pay for 26 billion to fund state aid, some say to give a gift to the unions
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...s-fund-m-jobs/

http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2010...ch-get-richer/

Maybe if the present administration didn't fuck up everything with Obamacare, this wouldn't have happened

Almost every health insurance company is raising the cost of premiums in America to help cover the cost of changes because of Obamacare, like insuring children till the age of 26. That cost is passed on to us and the employers that we work for, unless we're self employed, then it's just us. That extra cost of every employee is I believe keeping the economy from bouncing back. That's why employers can't afford to hire new people and why we have a stagnant unemployment rate. Less people working, means less people paying taxes that pay for the government. Less money paid to the government, means they have to raise taxes to support the government, which means less money for everyone that pays taxes, so more people, including the poor have to pay taxes. Less money made, means even less money in the economy, yet the government continues to grow and expand it's power.

Someone please explain to me how this can work?

[Amputate Your Head]

Great plan. Fuck the people that need it the most.

[IllTestYourGirls]

I can not believe how incompetent this fucking admin is. I am all for cutting government programs but this one would have been the last on the list. Fucking food stamps? Seriously?

I bet those people getting food stamps cut are really happy about that vacation Queen Obama went on.

[CamWithAstarte]

Wow thats somthing thats going to look bad.

[The Dawg]

Complain.

Complain.

Complain.

Complain.


There, I just helped you make your next 4 threads.

[marketsmart]

This is good news... When the pain gets great enough, change will happen...

At some point people will wake up and start paying more attention to what their govt is doing to them...

I hope more of these social programs are cut..



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[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

This is good news... When the pain gets great enough, change will happen...

At some point people will wake up and start paying more attention to what their govt is doing to them...

I hope more of these social programs are cut..



.

This is exactly what I keep telling everyone around here (IRL), all this shit is good. The system needs a fucking enema in a bad way. So yeah.... let them keep fucking the people that are barely eating as it is. Cut even more programs.

[_Richard_]

"prompting some Democrats to cringe at the notion of cutting back on one necessity to pay for another. The federal assistance program currently helps 41 million Americans."

i wonder if you could cut something from the military budget in order to feed your poor and educate your children at the same time

[Vendzilla]

It's ok, we're blaming Bush on this right?

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

It's ok, we're blaming Bush on this right?

Fuck Bush. Fuck Obama too. I blame government in general, across the board.

[Tom_PM]

Unemployment benefits only leads to lazy people who dont want to work anymore.

.therefore....

Food Stamps only lead to lazy people who dont want to buy food anymore.

So obviously this is something that Republicans support, right? I mean.. fuck those lazy bastards living off your dime.. right?

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

"prompting some Democrats to cringe at the notion of cutting back on one necessity to pay for another. The federal assistance program currently helps 41 million Americans."

i wonder if you could cut something from the military budget in order to feed your poor and educate your children at the same time

No joke.

We can't even keep the fucking food stamp program alive yet somehow we are going to expand "free" health care to 10s of millions. We are FUCKED

[Sly]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

"prompting some Democrats to cringe at the notion of cutting back on one necessity to pay for another. The federal assistance program currently helps 41 million Americans."

i wonder if you could cut something from the military budget in order to feed your poor and educate your children at the same time

They are working on cutting some military budgets, too. Everything is getting cut.

Congressman Obey was complaining that the administration's first suggestion to fund the State Aid bill was to cut the food stamp program. Teachers unions vote more often and have more money to contribute than the poor.

What I'm really curious about is whether or not the teachers got help from the Fed with or without concessions. If there was concessions and the Fed still needed to kick in... not ideal, but okay... if there were no concessions, that's not okay at all.

[GotGauge]

Honestly if the programs were Policed, the amount of Fraud that can be caught would prob pay for (people policing the programs) and LOTS of other things!

I think it is a bad move to JUST Cut a program like this, the scammers will always win.

Lets try to CUT some politicians, Ear Marks, BS Programs, Helping other countries, and the list goes on.

[brassmonkey]

hahahaha!!!

[GotGauge]

Originally Posted by amputate your head

fuck bush. Fuck obama too. I blame government in general, across the board.

exactly!
it is the politically correct society, the society of entitlement that is now present!
Get what you can get, screw everyone else! -- lots of peoples thinking from Rich to Poor!

[Sly]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Unemployment benefits only leads to lazy people who dont want to work anymore.

.therefore....

Food Stamps only lead to lazy people who dont want to buy food anymore.

So obviously this is something that Republicans support, right? I mean.. fuck those lazy bastards living off your dime.. right?

Aside from complaining about Republicans... you don't find it a little strange to cut food stamps in order to pay for teachers (and other things of course)?

The whole thing just seems very strange.

[GotGauge]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

"prompting some Democrats to cringe at the notion of cutting back on one necessity to pay for another. The federal assistance program currently helps 41 million Americans."

i wonder if you could cut something from the military budget in order to feed your poor and educate your children at the same time

Yes, Bring ALL Troops Home, let the World do it's own thing.
It is time to circle the wagons!

[Vendzilla]

The amount that Congress spends to avoid legislating on empty stomachs is more than enough to make taxpayers sick to theirs.

In just nine months spanning late 2009 and early 2010, the House spent $2.6 million on food and beverages for members and staff, according to the Sunlight Foundation's House Expenditure Reports Database. That figure includes $604,000 just for bottled water, showing that Congress is not just hungry but thirsty, too.

Leading the rush to the taxpayer-funded trough was Democrat Gregorio Sablan, the Northern Mariana Islands' first-ever House delegate, who topped the list of big spenders on food at $23,457. Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., led the catering charges, accounting for $7,536 of the House's $397,000 total tab.

And too often it wasn't merely subsistence grub on the menu. The House Committee on Foreign Affairs spent $35,824 -- all in one shot -- with a company that helps run a gourmet D.C. restaurant for celebrity chef Wolfgang Puck. And confirming that Congress and pork go together, the House spent $10,673 with barbecue restaurants.

It's gluttony, Capitol Hill-style. And it rightly sticks in the craws of taxpayers who pay for their own food and drink.

[BlackCrayon]

not long ago on here certain members wanted to get rid of welfare and food stamps. now those people think its bad they are being cut.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Unemployment benefits only leads to lazy people who dont want to work anymore.

.therefore....

Food Stamps only lead to lazy people who dont want to buy food anymore.

So obviously this is something that Republicans support, right? I mean.. fuck those lazy bastards living off your dime.. right?

Maybe if we didn't have Obamacare, we'd have more jobs, then the senate wouldn't have to keep extending unemployment benefits

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

The amount that Congress spends to avoid legislating on empty stomachs is more than enough to make taxpayers sick to theirs.

In just nine months spanning late 2009 and early 2010, the House spent $2.6 million on food and beverages for members and staff, according to the Sunlight Foundation's House Expenditure Reports Database. That figure includes $604,000 just for bottled water, showing that Congress is not just hungry but thirsty, too.

Leading the rush to the taxpayer-funded trough was Democrat Gregorio Sablan, the Northern Mariana Islands' first-ever House delegate, who topped the list of big spenders on food at $23,457. Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., led the catering charges, accounting for $7,536 of the House's $397,000 total tab.

And too often it wasn't merely subsistence grub on the menu. The House Committee on Foreign Affairs spent $35,824 -- all in one shot -- with a company that helps run a gourmet D.C. restaurant for celebrity chef Wolfgang Puck. And confirming that Congress and pork go together, the House spent $10,673 with barbecue restaurants.

It's gluttony, Capitol Hill-style. And it rightly sticks in the craws of taxpayers who pay for their own food and drink.

Isn't that all within their individual office budgets though? I believe they get X amount of money for office expenditures each year. If they want to spend it on bottled water, that's their choice, so long as they don't ask for more.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

not long ago on here certain members wanted to get rid of welfare and food stamps. now those people think its bad they are being cut.

Who thought that?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Sly

Isn't that all within their individual office budgets though? I believe they get X amount of money for office expenditures each year. If they want to spend it on bottled water, that's their choice, so long as they don't ask for more.

thats an excuse? Are you kidding me?

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Maybe if we didn't have Obamacare, we'd have more jobs, then the senate wouldn't have to keep extending unemployment benefits

How does Obamacare translate to less jobs? I know you like to blame the guy for everything V, but I don't get it. You're saying if his healthcare bill hadn't passed we'd all be working and enjoying the good times again?

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Maybe if we didn't have Obamacare, we'd have more jobs, then the senate wouldn't have to keep extending unemployment benefits

That is pretty much fact at this point. Companies are sitting on the largest money supply in history and businesses are scared shitless to hire because no one really knows what Obamacare is all about and do not know what other job killing bills they will pass in the next 2 years.

Now they are paying off teachers unions by taking food out of the mouths of the poor.

[kristin]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

I can not believe how incompetent this fucking admin is. I am all for cutting government programs but this one would have been the last on the list. Fucking food stamps? Seriously?

I bet those people getting food stamps cut are really happy about that vacation Queen Obama went on.

You ever been in line behind someone who uses food stamps? Do you know how many people abuse it? I worked in the grocery store cashing people's steaks, brand name everything, as well in CS where I had to give people their food stamps.

I think if they have to cut back, this is one area they can do it. Make the guidelines stricter and you'll weed out the shitty ones.

They can do this with WIC too. (Women, Infant, Children) I remember one chick got on it and told me to go get on it as well cause they don't check your income. I make pretty decent money, I can afford cereal, milk and cheese for my kids. But yet another person abusing it because they can. There are no checks and balances on these types of programs anymore.

One state that has strict Food Stamps, Daycare help, etc - Texas.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

thats an excuse? Are you kidding me?

An excuse for what?

I've seen figures like that before. I saw something about Nancy Pelosi and her flower expenditures. This article went on and on and on about how Nancy spent all of this money on flowers. It ended up being one semi-basic bouquet for $100 a week that came out of her office discretionary budget. So instead of spending $100 a week on paper, yes, she chose to add some flowers to her office to make it look nice. So what?

Put things in perspective and complain about real issues. You are complaining about 435 members of Congress and their staffs (what are we talking, five people at least?) spending $2 million in what... four months? So that's $500 a month, spread out between 435 congressmen (plus staff) which comes down to a little over $1000 a month. Break that down and we had $250 a week to cover office drinks, maybe some snacks, some water, food for guests, etc. etc. That's nothing.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

How does Obamacare translate to less jobs? I know you like to blame the guy for everything V, but I don't get it. You're saying if his healthcare bill hadn't passed we'd all be working and enjoying the good times again?

You didn't read the opening post did you?

Originally Posted by kristin

You ever been in line behind someone who uses food stamps? Do you know how many people abuse it? I worked in the grocery store cashing people's steaks, brand name everything, as well in CS where I had to give people their food stamps.

I think if they have to cut back, this is one area they can do it. Make the guidelines stricter and you'll weed out the shitty ones.

They can do this with WIC too. (Women, Infant, Children) I remember one chick got on it and told me to go get on it as well cause they don't check your income. I make pretty decent money, I can afford cereal, milk and cheese for my kids. But yet another person abusing it because they can. There are no checks and balances on these types of programs anymore.

One state that has strict Food Stamps, Daycare help, etc - Texas.

They need reform, last time that was done was 1994 and it needs it again, when illegal aliens get on it, it's a problem, but cutting to pay out to the powerful unoins is not an answer

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by kristin

You ever been in line behind someone who uses food stamps? Do you know how many people abuse it? I worked in the grocery store cashing people's steaks, brand name everything, as well in CS where I had to give people their food stamps.

Yes I have. I worked at a large grocery store in HS and my fiance managed convenient stores that had a location next to section 8 housing. I know it is abused. but it is damn hard to abuse. What needs more restrictions is the cash that people get from the government.

Foodstamps you can only buy food with, cash you can buy anything. So the parent goes into the store buys mac and cheese for the kids dinner then uses "their cash side" of their food stamp card to buy cigs and booze.

We need to stop that.

Things we could have cut.

1) IRS
2) Military
3) DOE
4) CIA
5) FBI
6) Congressional office budgets


Not in any oreder

[Slappin Fish]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

It's ok, we're blaming Bush on this right?

When somebody blames Bush around here it is usually only a reaction to you blaming Obama

They do so not so much to blame Bush as to point out your double and triple standards.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Sly

An excuse for what?

I've seen figures like that before. I saw something about Nancy Pelosi and her flower expenditures. This article went on and on and on about how Nancy spent all of this money on flowers. It ended up being one semi-basic bouquet for $100 a week that came out of her office discretionary budget. So instead of spending $100 a week on paper, yes, she chose to add some flowers to her office to make it look nice. So what?

Put things in perspective and complain about real issues. You are complaining about 435 members of Congress and their staffs (what are we talking, five people at least?) spending $2 million in what... four months? So that's $500 a month, spread out between 435 congressmen (plus staff) which comes down to a little over $1000 a month. Break that down and we had $250 a week to cover office drinks, maybe some snacks, some water, food for guests, etc. etc. That's nothing.

What company did you work for last that had those benefits in bad economic times, when companies are suffering, things get cut back. Companies that gave out safety awards had to stop that because the government taxed them on it.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Yes I have. I worked at a large grocery store in HS and my fiance managed convenient stores that had a location next to section 8 housing. I know it is abused. but it is damn hard to abuse. What needs more restrictions is the cash that people get from the government.

Foodstamps you can only buy food with, cash you can buy anything. So the parent goes into the store buys mac and cheese for the kids dinner then uses "their cash side" of their food stamp card to buy cigs and booze.

We need to stop that.

I have a friend that buys foodstamp cards from people selling them $.50 on the dollar. LOL. I suppose I shouldn't laugh... but that's one way people get around it.

Not a clue how to avoid it either.

[kristin]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Yes I have. I worked at a large grocery store in HS and my fiance managed convenient stores that had a location next to section 8 housing. I know it is abused. but it is damn hard to abuse. What needs more restrictions is the cash that people get from the government.

Foodstamps you can only buy food with, cash you can buy anything. So the parent goes into the store buys mac and cheese for the kids dinner then uses "their cash side" of their food stamp card to buy cigs and booze.

We need to stop that.

Yeah, that drove me fucking nuts. Here I'll pay for all this food with stamps then this order is my cigs, beer, and of course - National Enquirer and Soap Opera Digest.

And of course a stop at the lotto machine on the way out.

Good point on the cash side.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

That is pretty much fact at this point. Companies are sitting on the largest money supply in history and businesses are scared shitless to hire because no one really knows what Obamacare is all about and do not know what other job killing bills they will pass in the next 2 years.

That is the biggest lie/spin the right has been telling in years! It is total bullshit!

When a company needs to expand, due to increased sales or demand, it will do so, regardless if it is Obama in office, or whoever.

They are not hiring because they are not in need of hiring - otherwise they ABSOLUTELY would!

What a stupid ass spin!

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

What company did you work for last that had those benefits in bad economic times, when companies are suffering, things get cut back. Companies that gave out safety awards had to stop that because the government taxed them on it.

I would rather cut a few billion dollars from the military than worry about $2 million. But hey, that's just me...

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

When somebody blames Bush around here it is usually only a reaction to you blaming Obama

They do so not so much to blame Bush as to point out your double and triple standards.

Same could be said about the liberals not having anything to point out thats good about the current administration falling back on the BLAME BUSH rhetoric

[kristin]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

The amount that Congress spends to avoid legislating on empty stomachs is more than enough to make taxpayers sick to theirs.

In just nine months spanning late 2009 and early 2010, the House spent $2.6 million on food and beverages for members and staff, according to the Sunlight Foundation's House Expenditure Reports Database. That figure includes $604,000 just for bottled water, showing that Congress is not just hungry but thirsty, too.

Leading the rush to the taxpayer-funded trough was Democrat Gregorio Sablan, the Northern Mariana Islands' first-ever House delegate, who topped the list of big spenders on food at $23,457. Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., led the catering charges, accounting for $7,536 of the House's $397,000 total tab.

And too often it wasn't merely subsistence grub on the menu. The House Committee on Foreign Affairs spent $35,824 -- all in one shot -- with a company that helps run a gourmet D.C. restaurant for celebrity chef Wolfgang Puck. And confirming that Congress and pork go together, the House spent $10,673 with barbecue restaurants.

It's gluttony, Capitol Hill-style. And it rightly sticks in the craws of taxpayers who pay for their own food and drink.

You should really quote or give source to what you are gonna copy.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_693801.html

[TampaToker]

good and hopefully they will cut it some more

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

That is the biggest lie/spin the right has been telling in years! It is total bullshit!

When a company needs to expand, due to increased sales or demand, it will do so, regardless if it is Obama in office, or whoever.

They are not hiring because they are not in need of hiring - otherwise they ABSOLUTELY would!

What a stupid ass spin!

More expenses in hiring due increases in health insurance puts a damper on hiring and expanding.
Now if the Tax cuts go away, it will get worse

[Tom_PM]

Originally Posted by Sly

Aside from complaining about Republicans... you don't find it a little strange to cut food stamps in order to pay for teachers (and other things of course)?

The whole thing just seems very strange.

Whats strange about it? Some people realise that the children need an education. Others dont give a fuck if every teacher in america was fired right before the november elections since they perceive it as good strategy. How do you expect me or anyone to make real replies to this shit thats so transparent? Forget it.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

That is the biggest lie/spin the right has been telling in years! It is total bullshit!

When a company needs to expand, due to increased sales or demand, it will do so, regardless if it is Obama in office, or whoever.

They are not hiring because they are not in need of hiring - otherwise they ABSOLUTELY would!

What a stupid ass spin!

I strongly disagree. I know plenty of private investors that are sitting on very safe investments right now and nothing else, they aren't willing to risk at all because things are so uneasy right now. It's not just healthcare... its all sorts of stuff all wrapped up into one uneasy bundle.

Our industry is a pretty good example of this. There are plenty of people with money sitting around, but they aren't spending it. Most see the future of our industry being very shaky, even "dying." Instead of trying out new projects and investing that money, they just sit and wait. In the past, people were willing to shell out money for traffic, sites, programming, designs as soon as it came in because they felt comfortable predicting what the future holds.

Companies don't hire just because people are "needed." They hire to test out new products, to do new research, to try new experiments. That's the kind of hiring we could use right now. Not until these people feel somewhat safe will they start doing that.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by kristin

You should really quote or give source to what you are gonna copy.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_693801.html

Actually, it's on several blogs and news sources, that's not where I got it

[Sly]

Originally Posted by kristin

You should really quote or give source to what you are gonna copy.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_693801.html

Nine months... that drops us down to around $500 per office for drinks and snacks. Yeh... I will officially say I have no problem with any congressman spending $500 of their discretionary budget on drinks and snacks.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Whats strange about it? Some people realise that the children need an education. Others dont give a fuck if every teacher in america was fired right before the november elections since they perceive it as good strategy. How do you expect me or anyone to make real replies to this shit thats so transparent? Forget it.

so we're going to teach them to not be hungry?

the transparency is that this is about the teacher union

[TheDoc]

Thank god not every health insurance company is raising rates due to this bullshit reason. Of course, they all raise rates over time, for no real reason other than to increase profits so people keep investing. Not really hard to figure out why starting a gov healthcare plan of some type, even if it's your foot in door for now, is extremely logical.

And to explain it... it's called cutting the fat out of the program, something that should be done. Lots of people are over paid on food stamps, if you have any income at all you should only get a percentage of food stamps, and almost all of them buy bullshit they don't need, so damn sure have money to spare.

And this is just one of many things that been cut, along with many States making cuts. And yes, they need to do more but in the end the size of Government is reducing right in front of your face and you're bitching about it.

[kristin]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Actually, it's on several blogs and news sources, that's not where I got it

You still got it from a source, meaning not your original work. It was not paraphrased or put in your own words, straight up copy and paste.

Should still be quoted or linked up.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Thank god not every health insurance company is raising rates due to this bullshit reason. Of course, they all raise rates over time, for no real reason other than to increase profits so people keep investing. Not really hard to figure out why starting a gov healthcare plan of some type, even if it's your foot in door for now, is extremely logical.

And to explain it... it's called cutting the fat out of the program, something that should be done. Lots of people are over paid on food stamps, if you have any income at all you should only get a percentage of food stamps, and almost all of them buy bullshit they don't need, so damn sure have money to spare.

And this is just one of many things that been cut, along with many States making cuts. And yes, they need to do more but in the end the size of Government is reducing right in front of your face and you're bitching about it.

You could also argue that by letting some of the less than average teacher go, we're cutting the fat
How many illegal aliens are on food stamps?

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

That is the biggest lie/spin the right has been telling in years! It is total bullshit!

When a company needs to expand, due to increased sales or demand, it will do so, regardless if it is Obama in office, or whoever.

They are not hiring because they are not in need of hiring - otherwise they ABSOLUTELY would!

What a stupid ass spin!

You must not know one business owner. I talk to them every day. Mutli million dollar business owners. And no companies do not need to expand if they do not want to.

If you do not know how much an employee is going to cost, or how much more in taxes you are going to have to pay it freezes your hiring. Perfect example of that is a hospital near where I live has put a 100% freeze on hiring. They are in bad need of hiring but can not because of many factors.

Its not spin its fact, get your head out of the sand.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by Sly

I strongly disagree. I know plenty of private investors that are sitting on very safe investments right now and nothing else, they aren't willing to risk at all because things are so uneasy right now. It's not just healthcare... its all sorts of stuff all wrapped up into one uneasy bundle.

Our industry is a pretty good example of this. There are plenty of people with money sitting around, but they aren't spending it. Most see the future of our industry being very shaky, even "dying." Instead of trying out new projects and investing that money, they just sit and wait. In the past, people were willing to shell out money for traffic, sites, programming, designs as soon as it came in because they felt comfortable predicting what the future holds.

Companies don't hire just because people are "needed." They hire to test out new products, to do new research, to try new experiments. That's the kind of hiring we could use right now. Not until these people feel somewhat safe will they start doing that.

And a 4% to 5% tax change on the upper income brackets will change that scenario? Give me a break!