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Old 05-31-2010, 07:31 PM   #351
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i already gave you the true spelling of kindergarten and other pearls of wisdom you skipped over

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Old 05-31-2010, 07:32 PM   #352
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i don't get the big strategy honestly.. the jewish population controls the government, now.

In 60 years they're going to be a small minority in that country.. so if they're planning on moving away from the democracy model, this all makes sense

but if they aren't, why are they ostracizing everyone they can against the nation created?

Turkey is either one of the few, if not only, Arab country in the region allied to them
I recommend Jack Bernsteen's online book it was written in 1985 and he was killed by teh mossad a little later, but he pretty much spilled the beans about Israel and the Future of america if it didn't wake up.

Very Very Short Read

Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel.

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i already gave you the true spelling of kindergarten and other pearls of wisdom you skipped over

i'm tapped out dude
Yup, you corrected my spelling, I ridiculed you further with evidence, you made up a bunch of shit and passed it off as fact, I guess mission accomplished
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Syria, Lebanon say flotilla attack can lead to war

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Syrian President Bashar al?Assad and Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri said on Monday that Israel?s attack on a flotilla of aid bound for Gaza threatens to ignite a war in the region.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/syria-le...ad-to-war.html



Turkey Kicks It Up a Notch
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Well, now Israel has done it. They have actually provoked Turkey to the point that they may start a war over this incident massacre:

Turkey has threatened Israel with unprecedented action after Israeli forces attacked an aid vessel, killing 10 peace activists headed to Gaza.
Israel said 10 people died while those on the ship said at least 15 were killed.

A shocked world has responded with outrage. Turkey recalled its ambassador to Israel and warned of unprecedented and incalculable reprisals.

Two Turkish activists were reported to be among those killed in the flotilla. Ankara warned that further supply vessels will be sent to Gaza, escorted by the Turkish Navy, a development with unpredictable consequences.

Israel has sounded an alert throughout the country fearing rocket attacks by Hezbollah in Lebanon.

If Turkey is promising to send new supplies with naval escort, then we're headed for an epic showdown between two of Americas closest allies. I don't think Obama is getting too much rest and relaxation this Memorial Day.

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2010/5/31/145745/341
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Yup, you corrected my spelling, I ridiculed you further with evidence, you made up a bunch of shit and passed it off as fact, I guess mission accomplished
not that i'm going to waste any time looking, but i'm reasonably sure you haven't stated any facts at all
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Syria, Lebanon say flotilla attack can lead to war

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Syrian President Bashar al?Assad and Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri said on Monday that Israel?s attack on a flotilla of aid bound for Gaza threatens to ignite a war in the region.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/syria-le...ad-to-war.html



Turkey Kicks It Up a Notch
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Mon May 31st, 2010 at 02:57:45 PM EST

Well, now Israel has done it. They have actually provoked Turkey to the point that they may start a war over this incident massacre:

Turkey has threatened Israel with unprecedented action after Israeli forces attacked an aid vessel, killing 10 peace activists headed to Gaza.
Israel said 10 people died while those on the ship said at least 15 were killed.

A shocked world has responded with outrage. Turkey recalled its ambassador to Israel and warned of unprecedented and incalculable reprisals.

Two Turkish activists were reported to be among those killed in the flotilla. Ankara warned that further supply vessels will be sent to Gaza, escorted by the Turkish Navy, a development with unpredictable consequences.

Israel has sounded an alert throughout the country fearing rocket attacks by Hezbollah in Lebanon.

If Turkey is promising to send new supplies with naval escort, then we're headed for an epic showdown between two of Americas closest allies. I don't think Obama is getting too much rest and relaxation this Memorial Day.

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2010/5/31/145745/341
ahh the big picture.

Turkey is a part of Nato, if i recall
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12 or so miles yes?
Your talking about the Contiguous zone - according to international law. However, this is commonly extended to a minimum of twenty-four miles, and in some cases can be pretty much be anything the host country so decides. You know, because when dealing with international laws, you want to be as fucking vague as possible.

Seems to me that in this area the zone is anything the host country so decides. I tried to find something specific to Israel, but of course I couldn't.
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Those of who you support Israel, Rochard and theking and the likes of you, simply condone the murder of innocent people.

More than that you condone the murder of aid workers.

Nothing you say matters, you are monsters and filth and on any moral spectrum anywhere you rank just below rapists who let their victims live. Just remember that, and keep thinking to yourselves that you are good people, you ignorant scum.
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so what is your thoughts on Somalia then?
Okay, that's just plain stupid. In fact, I'll call you a fucking idiot for that comment.

There is a staggering difference between a bunch of criminals getting into a boat and kidnapping people, ships, and cargo for ransom compared to a a very strong government navy warship ordering a ship running a blockade to stop.
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Okay, that's just plain stupid. In fact, I'll call you a fucking idiot for that comment.

There is a staggering difference between a bunch of criminals getting into a boat and kidnapping people, ships, and cargo for ransom compared to a a very strong government navy warship ordering a ship running a blockade to stop.
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Israel's propaganda machine FAIL - raw video of IDF firing on ships before boarding:



""In what could be a serious blow to Israel's narrative on the killing of at least nine humanitarian activists making their way to Gaza through international waters, raw video by an Al Jazeera producer, who was filming during the raid, appears to provide evidence that the IDF opened fire on the flotilla even before boarding it."
I'm sorry - did I miss it? Because I didn't see anyone firing on anything. If I missed it, point out the time frame and I'll watch it again.

But it's pretty much pointless isn't it? A warship ordered another ship to stop. After asking nicely, I'm sure they changed their tone, maybe sent a warship in closer as a warning, and then maybe fired across the bow - the international signal for ships at sea to stop. (Similar to a warship dropping two grenades overboard as a signal to submerged submarines to surface.) After that, pretty much all bets are off.

It's like a car chase. The police order the car to stop, and if he doesn't, they start to take action against the car. Eventually force is used - and further force if required after the car has stopped. In this case, you can't ram boats against boats.

I'm sorry, no matter how you slice it, these people were ordered to stop by a warship, refused, and paid the price. Then when they were boarded they attacked them. Fuck that. They got what they deserved.
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Okay, that's just plain stupid. In fact, I'll call you a fucking idiot for that comment.

There is a staggering difference between a bunch of criminals getting into a boat and kidnapping people, ships, and cargo for ransom compared to a a very strong government navy warship ordering a ship running a blockade to stop.
sorry i am trying to better understand your position.

from what you're saying here, it's bad for criminals to do this for money, but ok for governments trying to make political statements against peace activists?
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I'm sorry - did I miss it? Because I didn't see anyone firing on anything. If I missed it, point out the time frame and I'll watch it again.

But it's pretty much pointless isn't it? A warship ordered another ship to stop. After asking nicely, I'm sure they changed their tone, maybe sent a warship in closer as a warning, and then maybe fired across the bow - the international signal for ships at sea to stop. (Similar to a warship dropping two grenades overboard as a signal to submerged submarines to surface.) After that, pretty much all bets are off.

It's like a car chase. The police order the car to stop, and if he doesn't, they start to take action against the car. Eventually force is used - and further force if required after the car has stopped. In this case, you can't ram boats against boats.

I'm sorry, no matter how you slice it, these people were ordered to stop by a warship, refused, and paid the price. Then when they were boarded they attacked them. Fuck that. They got what they deserved.
you missed it

and next time this happens, and it'll be soon, the isrealis can fire at turkish warships before they board whatever flotilla goes in

and hell, now there won't be any searches at all.
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Those of who you support Israel, Rochard and theking and the likes of you, simply condone the murder of innocent people.

More than that you condone the murder of aid workers.

Nothing you say matters, you are monsters and filth and on any moral spectrum anywhere you rank just below rapists who let their victims live. Just remember that, and keep thinking to yourselves that you are good people, you ignorant scum.
I don't support Israel. I could care less about Israel. I could care less if Israel is gone in the morning. I have family members that live in the Middle East, not far from where this is going down, and I can only count one Jewish friend who isn't really that much Jewish.

Everyone is stunned that a country attacked what is being called an innocent ship carrying humanitarian aid. I don't see it like that. I see this as a criminal action. Their intention was to run the blockade, they were warned not to, and then failed to obey international law when a warship ordered them to stop.

Newsflash - if you take a large ship and sail it from Bermuda to the United States, ordered to stop by the US Coast Guard, and refuse.... Well, at that point, shots are going to be fired. This is just common sense.
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Newsflash - if you take a large ship and sail it from Bermuda to the United States, ordered to stop by the US Coast Guard, and refuse.... Well, at that point, shots are going to be fired. This is just common sense.
Newsflash - if you take a large ship and sail it from Bermuda to Mexico in International waters, and ordered to stop by the US Coast Guard, and you refuse.... Well, at that point, US Coast Guard has no leg to stand on. This is just common sense.
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is this somehow subliminally relevant to the topic at hand? if not, no big deal. if so awesome!
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In less than 1 hour the UN Security Council chairmanship changes to a different country. TURKEY
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I don't support Israel. I could care less about Israel. I could care less if Israel is gone in the morning. I have family members that live in the Middle East, not far from where this is going down, and I can only count one Jewish friend who isn't really that much Jewish.

Everyone is stunned that a country attacked what is being called an innocent ship carrying humanitarian aid. I don't see it like that. I see this as a criminal action. Their intention was to run the blockade, they were warned not to, and then failed to obey international law when a warship ordered them to stop.

Newsflash - if you take a large ship and sail it from Bermuda to the United States, ordered to stop by the US Coast Guard, and refuse.... Well, at that point, shots are going to be fired. This is just common sense.
Maybe shots would be fired - warning shots, and shots to disable the ship. But as soon as you're boarding a boat in international waters and shooting people on board then what you're doing isn't ok - no matter what. Shame on you man, those were humanitarian aid workers not fucking dogs, you can't just KILL people because they crossed an imaginary line that you set, it's not right.

What were the alternatives? Disabling the ship, waiting until the ship landed and having people there to arrest them, boarding the ship in large numbers and taking the people into custody that way. Even fucking pirates don't kill people on boats, pirates, and they manage to take over boats. This is one of the most advanced armed forces in the world and their commandos can't take a beating with some plastic chairs and metal rods in full body armor? Oh please. Beating them up, disabling the boat, arresting them and putting them through court are all reasonable but killing them? Killing aid workers that are trying to do nothing more than help some people in need...you're saying that that is ok? Come on man, all decency morals and ideals aside you really think killing them was a proportionate reaction to the threat that these humanitarians posed?
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Maybe shots would be fired - warning shots, and shots to disable the ship. But as soon as you're boarding a boat in international waters and shooting people on board then what you're doing isn't ok - no matter what. Shame on you man, those were humanitarian aid workers not fucking dogs, you can't just KILL people because they crossed an imaginary line that you set, it's not right.

What were the alternatives? Disabling the ship, waiting until the ship landed and having people there to arrest them, boarding the ship in large numbers and taking the people into custody that way. Even fucking pirates don't kill people on boats, pirates, and they manage to take over boats. This is one of the most advanced armed forces in the world and their commandos can't take a beating with some plastic chairs and metal rods in full body armor? Oh please. Beating them up, disabling the boat, arresting them and putting them through court are all reasonable but killing them? Killing aid workers that are trying to do nothing more than help some people in need...you're saying that that is ok? Come on man, all decency morals and ideals aside you really think killing them was a proportionate reaction to the threat that these humanitarians posed?
someone told me so i feel obligated to inform you

making sense around here isn't welcome
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is this somehow subliminally relevant to the topic at hand? if not, no big deal. if so awesome!
There was no tie-in initially, but I guess it could mean something, somehow.

How about - if Israel was home to cute little dogbirds it would be a place worth saving. If not, then, well, fuck em!


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How about - if Israel was home to cute little dogbirds it would be a place worth saving. If not, then, well, fuck em!
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sorry i am trying to better understand your position.

from what you're saying here, it's bad for criminals to do this for money, but ok for governments trying to make political statements against peace activists?
Honestly, yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. Criminals are criminals. But when a government uses a military force it's considered "proper" and legal.

If Canada sends a hit team into Mexico to kill someone, that's illegal. But if Canada invades Mexico with their army and kills tens of thousands, well, that's perfectly legal.

Kind of fucked up, isn't it?
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Newsflash - if you take a large ship and sail it from Bermuda to Mexico in International waters, and ordered to stop by the US Coast Guard, and you refuse.... Well, at that point, US Coast Guard has no leg to stand on. This is just common sense.
Your wrong. If it comes within a certain range of the United States and is suspected of carrying drugs, the United States has every right to stop that ship under international law.
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How are they innocent? Are they innocent in the way that drug dealers off the coast of Florida are innocent when they are boarded by force?

They refused to stop and submit to an inspection. That's international law and Israel's right. When they refused, they became criminals.



they weren't carrying illegal drugs, they had humanitarian aid to give Civilians, thats the difference.

the reason You're defending this shame is, maybe You have sympathy to Israel.

if that was Iran or an Arab country most likely You weren't be saying those things.
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Maybe shots would be fired - warning shots, and shots to disable the ship. But as soon as you're boarding a boat in international waters and shooting people on board then what you're doing isn't ok - no matter what. Shame on you man, those were humanitarian aid workers not fucking dogs, you can't just KILL people because they crossed an imaginary line that you set, it's not right.

What were the alternatives? Disabling the ship, waiting until the ship landed and having people there to arrest them, boarding the ship in large numbers and taking the people into custody that way. Even fucking pirates don't kill people on boats, pirates, and they manage to take over boats. This is one of the most advanced armed forces in the world and their commandos can't take a beating with some plastic chairs and metal rods in full body armor? Oh please. Beating them up, disabling the boat, arresting them and putting them through court are all reasonable but killing them? Killing aid workers that are trying to do nothing more than help some people in need...you're saying that that is ok? Come on man, all decency morals and ideals aside you really think killing them was a proportionate reaction to the threat that these humanitarians posed?
I don't understand your point. They could have disabled the ship by what - firing on it and taking it out? That only works in the movies.

And even if they could disable it, then what? Try to board then? Wait until it sinks? Wait until they surrender? Wait until another ship came to rescue them?

They ordered the ship to stop in accordance with international law, the ship refused, and it was boarded under force.

Your calling them "aid workers" and I'm calling them criminals who intentionally violated a blockade, opposed the Israeli Navy, and then attacked them as they boarded the ship. They violated international law - the law of the sea (which is a treaty as gay as it sounds) and refused to stop when ordered to do so. I'm not sure what your parents taught you when you were a kid, but your captain of a ship and a warship orders you to stop, you fucking stop. If not, you get shot at.
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last time an international humanitarian boat came to visit us....

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last time an international humanitarian boat came to visit us....

http://www.globaljihad.net/view_page.asp?id=1349
NIce to see an israeli here, I watched the movie defamation the other day, found it facinating.
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U sure that wasn't a ship from america to israel? Israel is the king of false flags ya know.
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I don't understand your point. They could have disabled the ship by what - firing on it and taking it out? That only works in the movies.

And even if they could disable it, then what? Try to board then? Wait until it sinks? Wait until they surrender? Wait until another ship came to rescue them?

They ordered the ship to stop in accordance with international law, the ship refused, and it was boarded under force.

Your calling them "aid workers" and I'm calling them criminals who intentionally violated a blockade, opposed the Israeli Navy, and then attacked them as they boarded the ship. They violated international law - the law of the sea (which is a treaty as gay as it sounds) and refused to stop when ordered to do so. I'm not sure what your parents taught you when you were a kid, but your captain of a ship and a warship orders you to stop, you fucking stop. If not, you get shot at.
International law is not stop when I tell you to stop, it is if you are in someone elses waters and you defy them then they can stop you - not kill you.

Yes they could have boarded the ship, arrested everyone on board with non-lethal force.

Why not man?
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U sure that wasn't a ship from america to israel? Israel is the king of false flags ya know.
I think I'm pretty sure with this one...

but you know what happens when one of these ships come in without searching?



Have you ever thought what you can do in 15 seconds? That's the amount of time I have to collect my two kids, my 8 months pregnant and myself to find a shelter before we get hit...



So, yes... I am very sorry that the operation yesterday went bad, I really am. Did you know that the marine soldiers stormed the boat with Paintball guns as their main weapon, having a real sidearm gun only as backup? The real guns fired only after an extremist managed it somehow to take the gun from a soldier and fire at him - only than the soldiers fired back with real guns...
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I think I'm pretty sure with this one...

but you know what happens when one of these ships come in without searching?



Have you ever thought what you can do in 15 seconds? That's the amount of time I have to collect my two kids, my 8 months pregnant and myself to find a shelter before we get hit...



So, yes... I am very sorry that the operation yesterday went bad, I really am. Did you know that the marine soldiers stormed the boat with Paintball guns as their main weapon, having a real sidearm gun only as backup? The real guns fired only after an extremist managed it somehow to take the gun from a soldier and fire at him - only than the soldiers fired back with real guns...
Honestly nothing you can say will change my mind. Especially this kind of stuff.

What do you expect when you bulldoze their houses, kill their relatives, put them into refugee camps. Only the jews can twist this around and call the people who try to fight back terrorists. Not all jews, cause some are actually against the existence of israel.
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Honestly nothing you can say will change my mind. Especially this kind of stuff.

What do you expect when you bulldoze their houses, kill their relatives, put them into refugee camps. Only the jews can twist this around and call the people who try to fight back terrorists. Not all jews, cause some are actually against the existence of israel.
I won't argue about that, all I'm telling is my side of the story... I don't bulldoze anybody, and don't kill any relatives... I don't twist around anything. All I try to do is raise a family, trying to give my kids a good education.

I'm sure that the solution to the current crappy situation won't come from violence and there has to be done something to change things around here in the middle east. But my biggest fear was that they IDF would let the ships arrive without any inspection of the contents...

As I see it things went terribly wrong last night, and that's not how it was planned and was supposed to go... This could have had a better end ...
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I won't argue about that, all I'm telling is my side of the story... I don't bulldoze anybody, and don't kill any relatives... I don't twist around anything. All I try to do is raise a family, trying to give my kids a good education.

I'm sure that the solution to the current crappy situation won't come from violence and there has to be done something to change things around here in the middle east. But my biggest fear was that they IDF would let the ships arrive without any inspection of the contents...

As I see it things went terribly wrong last night, and that's not how it was planned and was supposed to go... This could have had a better end ...
nice that your kids get a chance of a good education

the people that died in that 'terrible night' were trying to win the same right for other people your country is responsible for.

as a taxpayer that gives your country money, i suggest you look into that.
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Those of who you support Israel, Rochard and theking and the likes of you, simply condone the murder of innocent people.

More than that you condone the murder of aid workers.

Nothing you say matters, you are monsters and filth and on any moral spectrum anywhere you rank just below rapists who let their victims live. Just remember that, and keep thinking to yourselves that you are good people, you ignorant scum.
Maybe you missed it but I have stated multiple times that I am not a big fan of Israel...sport.
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Who keeps posting this stupid shit on here?!

Idiot troll, get lost douche!

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it boils down to this.

If the arabs put down their weapons there will be no more killing and war.
If the israelis put down their weapons there will be no more israel.


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I think I'm pretty sure with this one...

but you know what happens when one of these ships come in without searching?


Have you ever thought what you can do in 15 seconds? That's the amount of time I have to collect my two kids, my 8 months pregnant and myself to find a shelter before we get hit...

So, yes... I am very sorry that the operation yesterday went bad, I really am. Did you know that the marine soldiers stormed the boat with Paintball guns as their main weapon, having a real sidearm gun only as backup? The real guns fired only after an extremist managed it somehow to take the gun from a soldier and fire at him - only than the soldiers fired back with real guns...
Israel starts these fights, everyone firing rockets into Israel is defending themselves most of the time. Why can't you understand that? Do you feel sorry for a bully that goes up and starts slapping people around when someone stands up for themselves? This is Israel starting the fights, breaking the cease fires and bringing this on themselves. What should people do as their relatives get killed, sit there and wait? They've tried that, and Israel is the one that attacks first after these waits. Israel attacks first. Do you get it?
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Maybe you missed it but I have stated multiple times that I am not a big fan of Israel...sport.
Oh I'm sorry I didn't research your views throughout your board career. I meant Israel in this situation. You clearly support them, sport. Don't be mad that you can't get around my arguments, maybe the right thing to do is change your stance on things before finding a pet name for me!
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it boils down to this.

If the Arabs put down their weapons there will be no more killing and war.
If the Israelis put down their weapons there will be no more Israel.
Right, because Israel and their allies aren't the ones responsible for the vast, vast, vast majority of the violence that goes on around the world.

If Arabs put down their weapons then the US would come in and invade, take their land and their oil leaving their country in shambles. It's happened. Don't be silly.

Wake up and get your head out of your ass dude.
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Oh I'm sorry I didn't research your views throughout your board career. I meant Israel in this situation. You clearly support them, sport. Don't be mad that you can't get around my arguments, maybe the right thing to do is change your stance on things before finding a pet name for me!
No where have I stated that I support them in this situation...what I have stated is I understand why they do what they do...and why they did what they did in this situation. Understanding does not equal support. I will not change my stance...thank you very much.
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Christ, recently Spain and London train stations were bombed and they still send minimal troops to Afghanistan.
the UK has 10,000 troops in afghanistan and has had troops their since the start of the war. that's hardly minimal considering we had quite a few troops in iraq also.
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