Look at your sig, then speak monkeyboy. =)

Lol, so now Im digging up dirt? I thought it wasnt you? I thought you didnt do it?

My god, you have a compulsive lying problem...

Cant wait till the 3 webmasters that use you pop on saying you havent paid...

Oh no, we cant reach him, he has no phone # listed, his whois is all fake!

Yes people, its time to promote a program where the owner is a compuslive liar, proven spammer and scammer, and has no way to reach him in any facet. =)

Its like money in the bank.

Im done with you here little boy... post all ya want... Everyone see's ya as a fuckin scammin little prick. =)

Peace

you have some proof to back that up kid?

all my contact info is on my contact page.
I have alot more than 3 webmasters promoting me.. and they have all been paid.
scammer? how so drew?
spammer? yeah maybe.. so what?

All true and I agree completely. I suppose i'm trying to be an optimist by saying that shaving exists so webmasters pushing programs have to work knowing that and choose sponsors wisely. Hell, it existed and was well known back in 1998-99, they heyday of internet porn. Back then I didn't run any site, just pushed other people's sites and I remember many sponsors claiming 'We don't shave' in big letters in the webmaster areas. Do they still do that? Hahaha today more than ever their probably lying.

I'm awaiting that dreadful day when Lensman is caught redhanded on the New York Times front page: 'Lensman Shaves on Amateur Pages click-through program' LOL

You know I bet when the owner of dollars4all got up today and saw this thread he had a look on his face that would be perfect for a Southwest commercial.......

WANNA GET AWAY?

lol

How many more days do you think his programs/sites will last?

What's disconcerting is that he'll probably just buy a new domain, go under a new business name, and repeat what he did this time. But next time he won't put 'shave' in the admin stats area.

true true, horrible number,no wonder why they invested in shaving tool

gilettecash.com??

I will keep this short

you are an idiot and you can :321GFY

No idea to be honest. I would say SOME do but not most or many.

Porn Industry is no different than the non adult business world. You have dirty business owners that will scam their own moms for an extra 50 cents and then you have people that run a perfect business and some that fall inbetween. Works the same exact way for people.

The FCC or whatever part of the GoV that would handle this never will. They are much more worried about CP which they should be and fraud to consumers. I would rather they spend the money in that area and take my chances on grabing a bad sponsor. They start looking at money programs / webmasters then shit is really going to get fucked up.

That is the Scary Shit.

Ha, true enough.

If one of our sites did anywhere CLOSE to that I would just kill the pile of shit. Even if you did shave with those kind of numbers you would not make shit for money. Not even worth having the site if it's only going to make one car payment a year.

Damn,

These guys are up there with Martha Stewart.

I'm sure plenty of other sponsors are doing the same damn thing. Most of us make 90% of our money from the same few sponsors, so stick with what ya know, and don't get greedy.

Now go weeve some baskets...

If it were a US company I think something like this would be covered under the labor laws and you would start by calling your states dept. of labor (or whatever it is) and work from there up.

Where ever their business is located might actually have some labor laws itself, maybe they don't pay their taxes, etc..

If I was a "shaved" webmaster, I would start working the phones and see just how interested different agencies in their country actually might be. (if I was missing enough money from them to make it worth my time)

If it was reported to the fbi I would think they would be in trouble even if they are not in the US unless where they are doesnt have and extridition treaty. Many of the sales were US and moneis were taken from US banks also the check/payments that were made to webmasters in the US would have involved US mail or bank transfers which would make it either Federal mail fraud or Just plain Federal fraud
just my :2 cents:

Nbritt

Class action lawsuit.

I believe many of those that run affiliate programs currently shave and those that haven't shaved are prepared to shave, and will shave if the financial need arises. My :2 cents:

fuck me...

blah :1orglaugh blah :1orglaugh blah

Seems like a lot of people talking, but only some webmasters *may* stop using them and NO ONE will do anything about it.

Some sponsors get caught fucking webmasters over, companies caught frauding webmasters, etc.. etc.. but does anyone ever do anything about it ? Its no wonder it keeps happening and will continue to happen.

Its open season for fucking webmasters.

And just how long did you pace the floor thinking this shit up?

If I was one of your webmasters I would see you in court.

And If I couldn't sue your for some reason I would dedicate my life to making your life a miserable as possible

just my :2 cents:

www.SucksShit.com



www.SucksBalls.com

There are so many issues like this in the adult industry it´s scary. The root of the problem is the webmasters pushing these programs. I´ve posted about some *seriously* lack lustre sites that I´ve seen, directly to the people that run them right here for everyone to see, and I get fuck off´s from both the sponsor AND the webmasters who push the program. How dare I!

Lots of you send your trusting customers to crappy sites, admit it! You can use a review service to find a good site to promote (there are a bunch now!) but do you? Do you really care? It´s like golfing in the rain and then blaming god when you get struck by lighting. If you really care, put the fucking lightning rod down!

It seems to me like the people who are trying to fuck the customers are the ones that get fucked by shaving the most. Start pushing quality sites, and people might actually use your site to sign up again.

Having said that, I´m sure we get shaved too. "I knew the job was dangerous when I took it... shiiit, a nigga didn´t even overlook it." - snoop.

Totally agree. Stupid is as stupid does.

If you dont check out the site that you are pushing to see if it is a total pile of shit then you can expect to get the shit shaved out of you. This is shown by the poor retention rates posted in that screeshot.

Wow <-- That about covers it...

Well, this too: :321GFY

I am very shocked they are shaving. I do not understand why any webmaster program would shave. They make money on the rebills. I guess alot of places do shave. We have many people rebilling for over a year. If you are worried about shaving our program stats and payments are controlled by a 3rd party. We can not and would never shave. We pay $40 per signup. Come to a real webmaster program. http://www.intensecash.com

You don't understand all this but you do run a partnership
program? I think that says enough.....

Let me explain it one more time quickly:

In order to make money on rebills you have to have rebills
Now swing out your card and buy some memberships....I bet
you will cancel 90% instantly......here is your answer!

DynaMite

NICE SPAM:321GFY

Hi DynaMite,

I am not quite sure what you are trying to say. It is really late though so maybe that is why. Yes we do have an affiliate program. On average we have about 50% of people go into rebilling. It is better on our gay sites but it usually depends on what kind of traffic is being sent. We have tons of content and have great customer service for our Members. We have had Members with us for over a year. We use a 3rd party for stats and payments. We can not and would never shave. We make money on rebills and have long relationships with lots of webmasters. There is no way we would ever shave even if we could.

Mark

Hi Aussie,

Yes I did pretty much spam but I don't want webmasters to get screwed. It was a one time deal.

Sorry,
Mark

You could probably shave as it has been mentioned in this thread. Anyway, his point was that 90% of paysites suck donkey balls and that it's no wonder people are cancelling them. No rebills, no money to pay for $35,- signups, so they whip out the razor...

Hum I would agree with you some. Yes there is alot of crap paysites out there. I think ours are definetly not crap but professional sites that keep Members. Just curious what paysites do you think are great? We have actually joined many other huge paysites to compare and see where we can improve ours. It is all about keeping Members as long as possible. I started this venture in 1997 so I have seen alot. With the economy and ever since 9/11 it is harder to keep Members than it used to be. On average about 50% of our members go into rebilling. We are not one of the big boys but definetly not one of the small guys. We have great customer service for our Members which I think helps with Members canceling. Some Members contact us with a problem they are having which we help them fix. We try everything to keep every Member. I have talked on the phone with some Members for over 30 minutes because they are not computer savy and need alot of help. Anything to keep a Member but if they want to cancel we cancel them asap and never screw anyone in the process. We are here to make money ofcoarse but we would never screw a single person to make a buck. That is my 2 cents.

Sorry I forgot..........

We would also never shave a webmaster. We let webmasters signup for our sites anytime and check their stats then credit them back. We use 3rd party anyway which has no shaving features. I do not see why any sponsor would shave a webmaster ever. Sponsors want to keep webmasters forever and want them to be happy with the program and help them make money. 90% of our signups are through webmasters so why would we shave. Well I guess that is how we feel anyway.

your program pays for active members like cybererotica right?

I thought they paid per trial( I emailed them once)

im not sure,their FAQ and the main page is a bit confusing. They use though ccbill for tracking

IntenseCash is a real wealth builder that pays you big and on-time. If you signup for the pay per active member program, we will pay you $40 for every valid join. You always make $40 per valid join and we also have bonus levels you can reach to make even more money. If you register for the recurring partnership program, we will pay you 60% of all revenues generated from your linking code including the recurring. Give this us a try today!

they have some nice niches which you dont find easy

Hi that is correct. We pay for trials, monthly memberships and even signups by check. To get paid for a trial the Member must convert to a monthly member. If a sponsor claims their trial works any other way they would have to shave somehow to cover expenses. Our average trial to monthly member is about 50%.

SO basically you are saying you don't pay for a trial you pay 40 bucks for an active member(at least one month)

Andre

Andre,

We do pay for trials. As soon as the trial is over and if the Member goes into the monthly membership you get $40 into your account that minute. Most our trials are 3 days for 3.95. We do not see any money until the next month when they rebill. If you have anymore questions let me know.

Mark

why do you call it per signup when the rest of the industy refers to it as per-active?

Well you only per for the trial when it is converted to a full month, right? So actually you only pay for full months...

When you say we pay for a join you would pay as well when a join was not converted into a full month...

SO pls promote yourself with 40 dollars per active member....Because you DO NOT PAY per join...

Andre

Sorry for the confusion, not sure why the wording is that way. Thanks for letting us know, I will change that right now.

Mark

Thank you 100% correct :thumbsup

I was speaking in general I know there are good programs too
just not that many....:winkwink:

and if you just look at some of the sites it's quite easy to
understand why they have to shave

DynaMite :thumbsup