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Jak

Either CEN is trying to divert attention away from themselves, or JJMedia wants a new DVD player :Graucho

notice how none of the Big Playas posted their oppinion on this.
they all shave.

Well don't you think it's very unprofessional for them to post here?

BTW dollars4all is NOT a big player 30.000 dollars in a whole year is not much at all...

Andre

Actually, one doesn't follow the other. Let's say that I believe that these companies make a profit from rebills and upsells. OK, that's point one. Now, you say if I believe that I must also believe they don't shave. That is not the next logical step. I don't see any reason why they couldn't turn a profit on their rebills and shave, anyway. Then they just make BIGGER profits and greed is a powerful force.

SpaceAce

Um, I believe that was $30,000 in 4 days. That pay period was the 1 - 7 of this month.

SpaceAce

WOW

Not that i find it surprising, but it's amazing to see someone caught with their pants down like that.
Fuckin thieves! I'd love to see the stats on other sponsors as well.

So which sponsor is gonna be the first to "leak" a login/pass to one of their "real" non-shaving stats?
BEWARE
someone is bound to use that trick for their own profit

Is this the one? http://largenaturals.com/

NO IT was not. Yes the date field is saying that. But the printscreen is made from whole year.

http://www.babiex.com/Dollars4All.htm LOok at the SIGNUP dates if you don't believe me..

see?

Andre

You're right SpaceAce. I tried to make a small point without having to write a paragraph full of disclaimers stating the obvious fact that things aren't ever strictly black and white.

You're right. I'm right. Gray is a wonderful shade.

Jak

I think you got it just about right on. Shit some company posted on here about some new program they had and all the *** BIG GUYS *** said they were going to buy, rent or sign up for this company's program. It had right in it for
** SHAVE ** and the % you could enter. Now of course they fucked up by posting here with that info. And of course after it was public, guess what they said? OH we are taking that out *RAT* now and it will not be sold with this program... Me thinks this is 1000% fucking bull shit. Am thinking about taking all except one (1) sponsor off all my god dam sites...

Those poor bastards who subscribed to the shemale site and have been active for 200 days probably never thought that their names and emails were going to be posted online. Lets see, thomas bontempo (252 days shemale) better pray to God that site doesnt get spidered by Google. I can just see his wife/Mom/boss doing a search on his name and getting that nice bit of info.

you'll see it happen... 2 much money in the porn business. Most likely old John's boys/girls have been checking them out. Anything he can do 2 give porn a worse name, am sure he'll be doing it. And I hope the hell he does it soon. The only thing he won't just take everything they own he'll put'm in Jail and for a long time.

This is VERY VERY correct.

I remember that well, wouldn't it be fun to dig that one up now...

I've heard over the years that $30/signup is about the break even and maybe the sponsor makes a few bucks.

We're not smart enough to shave, pay 60/40 on everything and have some great niche sites that hang on to a hard-earned signup. :)

yes it would.... then later on some dip shit woman webmaster (not that women are dip shits) saw it and said she had signed up... I posted, I had just signed up for her partners program. Told her I wouldn't be promoting her site( went right over her head ).. am not going 2 name names but if you send over 90% unique traffic and don't get any sign ups something is wrong. I don't care what kind of traffic it is or how much. That's another excuse the traffic you send, I think it's bull shit. Just like someone else posted they keep telling you this and that over and over pretty soon you start to believe it.

I got some good advice about 2 years or so ago from Wolfshade about paysites that shave. And it WAS... They are 2 busy fucking the little guy to fuck with the big guys.

:1orglaugh fucking scammer company..

It doesnt matter if it is a third party processor or not it would be easy for someone to write a script in perl or php that would allow
a site to shave sales but does everyone what how to do it posted on a message board so all sponsors can try it out?


Nbritt

Although there is NL mentioned, nothing in the address nor the city looks like something here in Holland. When some can find out more details, contact me and I try to trace it for you at the Dutch Chambers of Commerce.

mail me at mvl@<remove this>msu.nl

Marianne
Holland

No shit! I'd love to see someone hack into thier system.

My girlfriend and I are sending the exact same traffic.

She's getting 1 : 80

I'm getting 1 : 1000

What the fuck!

There should be legal regulations preventing companies from doing things like this, prehaps this will open a door

That's because your girlfriend is sending them first.....afterwards
you send the exact same users to the exact same site again :Graucho

That's not shaving....that's stupid :winkwink:

DynaMite

Just a thought.
this really could be a problem for dollars4all for several reasons first they have to change ever user pass. which means the customers are most likely getting pissed cause they can not log in.
and if someone used all those e-mail address to send the url to the page with all that info on it I think that everyone who has a membership would be running to cancel it quickly.

Nbritt

LOL

TODAY ON CNN

"Late breaking news from gofuckyourself.com.. shaving!!!

It was a myth until today.. but those sneaky gfy'ers let the cat out of the bag... We here at CNN have been very concerned witht his matter, and we will urge ALL americans to pull together and help out our fellow pornographers... more at 8.

thanks.. now for a word from our sponsor(which we will be investigating as well, for shaving !!)"

hahahahah

thanks for revealing my username and password dude! :D

lol, this is a fucking funny thread

What I think is classic are these 'sponsors' who say shit like "We use a 3rd party processor so there's no way we can shave you". That's a bunch of BS and they know it.

I agree. It's downright scandalous. This internet thing is still too much of a free-for-all. Some more regulation is required. An affiliate should know that they're getting the money they earned. Anything less is pathetic.

Nobody is debating that shaving exists. At 50% and 60% it's called fraud and few webmasters become affiliates to programs if they know the shave is on that high.

If a webmaster was promoting them and had a copy of whatever was in that admin area (I didnt see it), they would have grounds to sue. Wouldnt they? And maybe during the procss of a trial laws would fall in place to prevent these type of activities. But that probably will not happen

It must be your shave week, I'm pulling 1:35 with ND this week, lol.

I'm not sending the exact same users. Read the post again. It's the same type of traffic. Learn how to read and don't make assumptions.

It looks like you really don't have anything useful to say.

I wonder how many non-adult sponsors shave... probably very few if any at all.


Jak

That is pretty heavy if it is real. From what another webmaster told me you could run a date history meaning the database was full of records making it pretty damn real.

The screenshot I saw showed that they had under 10% trial to conversion on all sites, that is real damn bad.

BTW, NOT all $30+ programs have to shave, for you guys that think they do then you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

The average trial to conversion is around 35%. Most billing companies will tell you this once you have done a little bit of business with them. I know a few programs/sites doing over 60%.

On that math counting cross sales, exits, upsales, e-mails, ect. A program paying $35 a signup does not have to shave if they are doing 35% trial to conversion or higher. Hell they can be doing 30% and still make money. The lower the trial to conversion the longer they have to either wait to make money back or the harder they have to shave.

I'm not saying that some programs don't shave, I am saying not all of them do. I have my picks of people that I don't think shave and I have my picks of people I think that do shave.

Just because you convert a sponsor like shit and another sponsor great does not mean the bad sponsor is shaving. Hell of a better chance that the webmaster has no fucking clue what he is doing.

We advertise most of the major programs, CEN, SilverCash, TopBucks, PlatBucks, PornKings, ect. One week from our exits I can push whatever site and the ratio just all the sudden goes to shit, this does not mean they are shaving. Normally I can just change what the text link says and the ratio goes right back to normal.

Hell I have pushed my own sites on the same type of traffic for months and then all the sudden they go to shit and then either I have to change my ads or change which front page I use. Just the way the damn net works.

Now these guys are shaving so fucking hard I can't how anyone could convert them at all. Probally why they are getting such low signups over all.

Again, I'm not saying some programs don't shave, I am saying not all do. Sign-up for one of their paysites, if they look like shit and offer shit then use your head, cause they probally are shit.

The bottom line is the money you make per click.

They have gone from 1:35 to not one sale in over 1,000 hits in 2 weeks.

Cant blame that on my text links!

best joke of the year!

Sweet idea to post the name here.

You realized it won't be spidered at that other site so...

I figure all those webmaster and customer details are in kinda good hands over at score-cash

great thread :glugglug

one thing that has been discussed is conversion ratios suddenly going to shit.

from my own experience pushing my own paysites (no affiliates) - conversion ratios are very stable. they're always changing, but it is always extremely gradual (as long as everything remains the same ie: content/design/etc).

i've never seen my conversion ratios ever make a big jump up or down, unless something was modified with the sites (just my personal experience).

Shit the shit is fucking funny!
:Graucho

Pull that pepper out of your ass....I was fucking witcha......

DynaMite