A tat too late I'm afraid though :1orglaugh

DynaMite

Sure we'll see a reply. Someone is going to have to come in here and tell us how it was all faked by some hacker/ex employee. Doesn't matter, though, even if it isn't true, I'd day their sunk. At least with anyone who logged in before it got shut down.

SpaceAce
P.S. - Second possibility: someone will come on the board and say "shame on you" to everyone who logged in "illegally" to view their "confidential" information.

Holy Moly never seen anyone caught redhanded like that before.

Brad

I wonder if we'll still get the usual rally of sponsors claiming that shaving doesn't exist and that we are just being paranoid or that maybe it's our traffic, or our banners are stale, or we need to improve our sales abilities,etc.. lol

Almost every sponsor shaves....prolly not as much as these guys tho.

Why is this theft allowed but someone stealing a chocolate bar from a 711 would get in more trouble? I don't understand.

Is there no place to report such shady business?

of course it is possible some ex-employee planted that page and leaked the login/password. Its impossible to tell.

Well it is now well known that "shaving" does happen, however, it is unfair to accuse all programs of shaving.

Am I the only one who noticed that that file contained..uh maybe I am.

Nevermind.

Hee hee, got work to do.

I expected that someone would close that account and a friend uploaded it on a freehost server:-)

http://www12.brinkster.com/gfyd4all/dollar1.html

They are based out of the netherlands so you probably have no legal jurisdiction there. One more thing to take into consideration when promoting a sponsor now I guess.

Although, I've been doing this since '96 and this is the first "documented" evidence I've ever seen. I'm sure it will be a very long time before you ever see it again. Sadly.

emailaddresses, usernames/passes no we all did.....:1orglaugh

b.t.w. I'm selling the file....I have it on HDD.....any takers?

DynaMite

Nope, not the only one. :)


Jak

I see what you saw.

SpaceAce

Hahahaha... "Shave = Yep"

Oh man I wish someone would butt fuck these guys seriously.

Balls!!! Ah, oh well.

I remember something like this happened with Dirty Dollar a while back. Course the files weren't on their server in this instance. In the end, it was some rogue employee from what they said.

Even more than the webmasters, I feel bad for the customers. Now their names and email addresses are floating around attatched to "shemale" and "grannies" sites. We have a hard enough time getting people to get out their credit cards without punishing them with public humiliation.

SpaceAce

Those have to be the WORST conversions known to man.

anyone who promoted them?

DynaMite

:ak47: Fuckers

I tried 1 year ago for 1 week. No signups.

Andre

I agree, the names should be removed.

I wonder why...

SpaceAce

Very, very disturbing! It's something you've always wondered about.
Like looking up at the sky and seeing that it's blue and someone keeps telling you it is red - over and over and over again.
After awhile, you start believing it. :Hollering

Live & Learn

HEY! I'm not the only person who has that name you know! In fact, it's very common in some parts of the world, I'm sure. And the e-mail address is just a one-in-a-million coincidence, I swear!!!

<SMALL>oh, that's not what you noticed??? <CENTER>nevermind...</CENTER></SMALL>

Fucking crooks... wait, let me rephrase that... Fucking Stupid Crooks!

I had just finished building some avs and free sites for them but hadn't submitted them yet. Not going to now.

I thought this was a good topic for my first post..

I really hope for their sakes that the wembasters use different ftp passwords. It will be interesting to see what comes of this.

I don't have accounts at very many webmaster boards, but those of you who do should spread this around. Considering that they shut it down and aren't saying anything, they sure look guilty.

SpaceAce

this is why i like to sell traffic per impression. you're putting a ton of trust into these paysites hoping they pay what they say they do.

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:1orglaugh

Ummm, guys why the fuck are you SOOOO surprised, we ALL KNOW that EVERY damn sponsor with big payouts is shaving like a bastard. They have to make money some how don't they?

I mean Joel from CEN admited they shave too, big deal. I'm sure there shave stats are a big more advanced that this dollars4u stats though.

Sammy

it must really suck to be the owner of dollars4all today

Yup, one of those days you would probably rather stay in bed

I see they weren't paying on ANY of the 900 number signups..

'One Time No Number 2002-03-03 EXPIRED Web900 34.95 0.00 34.95 Nope Nope Yep'

It can't suck that bad. He's shaved off over $14,000 this week alone, and we're only four days in.

SpaceAce

OK let's see...

Quick calculation (disregarding processing fees, chargebacks, things like that):

100 3 day trial signups for Ams. Teens x $2.95(cost per trial) = $295.00 total sales
50% conversion (say half of the trials convert to monthly) = $1747.50 converted sales
100 webmaster payouts of $30.00 = $3000.00 payout
$1747.50(Actual sales) + $295.00(initial trial sales) - $3000.00(payout) = -$957.50 (negative!)

Besides shaving, how the hell else would these companies be able to pay out so much on trial signups? In the regular world, if I paid a salesman $50.00 for every $3.00 item he sold for me, I wouldn't be in business very long. Why is it that people let this shit go in the adult world? Strange.

Jak

I will keep this short and simple as you know that due to this "friendly" visit to one of our servers we now have alot on our hands at the moment.
This script was there to check on weather sales were from real customers or not. Sales from bouncing confirming emails, non-matching ip-addresses and bad countries were "shaved".
We know from our history that these sales always were non-recurring and full sales were due to be refunded or chargebacked.

Your logic is flawed. If you pay a guy $50.00 for selling a single $3 item, you're out of business. However, that isn't the model we're working with. This is more like selling a guy a $3 item that, if he forgets about it for a couple of days, will become a $40 item. Also, when you sold him the item, you threw in a shitload of catalogs of similar items for him to look through and you'll pick up extra money if he buys any of that (upsells).

Also, don't forget that you are paying your salesman $50 for selling a $3 item, but he also gets $50 is he sells a $500 item. A lot of those sales were multiple-month sales, rebills, whatever. A lot of them were showing several hundred dollars charged to the customer with the same small payouts to the webmasters.

SpaceAce

because you're paying for a customer. its up to the site to retain. if the avg surfer that joined the site for a trial stayed 4 months that would be 142.75 in membership fees alone. then add on any upsells in the members area and it would be well over 150 per. that 30 bux paid to webmasters isn't a whole lot.