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GatorB · 03-11-2009, 07:43 PM

back when this picture was taken we were well aware of what saddam was doing to his own people and the fact he was building an arsenal of chemical weapons. We didn't care because he was killing millions of Iranians for us.

StickyGreen · 03-11-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

im going to stop posting in here....

I have a hard time coming off how I want to on message boards... and this thread got out of hand.. I tend to jump back at people... sly thanks for the good post's in here.... you did it with class... to the others... well whatever....

the thread was not condoning any war nor was it bashing any war.... war is war it sucks...

I do my best to talk people out of enlisting at this time..... because of that reason....

some have no other options.. some want to kill some don't....

so ill let it die as it is....

my respect to all who have fought in all wars... weather they thought it was good or bad they have my respect and ill leave it at that....

You don't even seem to understand how war works. I don't think that you even know that both sides of most wars have been funded by the same people over the years.

Sly · 03-11-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

It is a matter of situations though. Germany had a huge army and any attack on them would have resulted in them striking back with force. Obviously things may have ended differently, maybe they would have been contained to their country and the scale of the war would have never been a big. But that is something we may never know. For all we know they could have been attacked and defeated the attackers then struck back against a now depleted Europe.

Saddam was a threat to nobody outside his borders. It is becoming clear that we knew this before we ever invaded.

I am mainly trying to say that it is a lot easier to determine whether or not intervention was "needed" or "not needed" in hindsight. In hindsight we can rip each other to pieces and ask "why didn't this happen?" "Why didn't that happen?"

In six months if Iran pops up with a nuclear bomb there will be all sorts of "why didn't such and such happen?" If in six months we decide to go after Iran with the idea that they have a nuclear bomb and they don't have it there will be all sorts of "why did we do that?"

Hindsight is like war. If you win, you're a hero and you did this great thing. If you lose, you are a loser and will go down in flames.

Just say for example sake that a nuclear bomb was found in Iraq... today would be a totally different day. Would George W. Bush have been called one of the greatest President's? Maybe... until he found somewhere else to screw up. :-)

Deej · 03-11-2009, 07:51 PM

God dammit danza... Now i have mixed feelings on the war... both good and bad...

but you post here is kinda bunk...

Youre saying the war is ok since vietnam was much worse... especially in one day.

thats not justification. Thats weighing statistics.

All I have to say as far as casualties is this... Iraq is lacking... Im not saying vietnam wasnt either, but they were much more geared and we are a hell of a lot more geared than we were then.

There are many differences to weigh as to why the casualties are lower in this war.

Were the shit!

I feel good and I feel bad about the war...

i feel good because it got sadam out of reign... he broke many many treaties that warranted these actions far before now...

i feel bad because its a bunk ass oil and power war... meaning those lives lost were just thrown away...

tell me this Danza...

Why is the war good? We got saddam how many years ago? We havent yet to bring democracy to iraq, nor do I feel any time soon...

So whats the better side of this war?

dig420 · 03-11-2009, 07:52 PM

You make it sound like a 50/50 shot either way, and that's not the case. We KNEW he didn't have a nuke and we knew he didn't have stockpiles of WMD's, but we USED the specter of that possibility to justify an invasion of a sovereign nation for what appear to be strictly personal feelings on the part of GWB.

In most cases our intelligence is strong one way or the other.

dig420 · 03-11-2009, 07:53 PM

Deej, we also break 'many' treaties, just about every day.

After Shock Media · 03-11-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

we still have troops all over the world from prior conflicts we have had... it's part of being american... it sucks but it's life.....

and how does Japan not count? they attack us and that does not count?

do the muslims count for flying planes into the trade towers or does that not count either?

In the reply I gave about countries invading the US, I said the tiny and I do mean very tiny occupation of parts of Alaska by Japan did not really count as an invasion of the US.

The terrorists that hijacked planes and crashed them also would not count as an invading force, it would count as an attack on US soil. Ironically this attack allowed our own government to adjust our freedoms that they are supposedly responsible to protect us from.

LAJ · 03-11-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

the only justification for war is freedom...

In theory, yes Danza.

However... back in late 2002 when the bush admin started selling the idea of an Iraq war to the American people we were given 3 reasons:

1. Iraq was responsible for 9-11
2. Iraq had WMDs
3. Saddam was an imminent threat to the U.S.

Of course we later found out that none of the above was true, and most people have forgotten these little tid bits but yeah, 6 1/2 years is a long time to think back.

kane · 03-11-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I am mainly trying to say that it is a lot easier to determine whether or not intervention was "needed" or "not needed" in hindsight. In hindsight we can rip each other to pieces and ask "why didn't this happen?" "Why didn't that happen?"

In six months if Iran pops up with a nuclear bomb there will be all sorts of "why didn't such and such happen?" If in six months we decide to go after Iran with the idea that they have a nuclear bomb and they don't have it there will be all sorts of "why did we do that?"

Hindsight is like war. If you win, you're a hero and you did this great thing. If you lose, you are a loser and will go down in flames.

Just say for example sake that a nuclear bomb was found in Iraq... today would be a totally different day. Would George W. Bush have been called one of the greatest President's? Maybe... until he found somewhere else to screw up. :-)

You have a good point. If they had found a nuclear bomb in Iraq things would be different for sure. Bush would be looked up in a different light I think.

dig420 · 03-11-2009, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

You have a good point. If they had found a nuclear bomb in Iraq things would be different for sure. Bush would be looked up in a different light I think.

well if pigs were to suddenly fly out of my ass I'm sure everyone in my house would start looking at ME differently, but it's not likely to happen.

Verbal · 03-11-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LAJ

In theory, yes Danza.

However... back in late 2002 when the bush admin started selling the idea of an Iraq war to the American people we were given 3 reasons:

1. Iraq was responsible for 9-11
2. Iraq had WMDs
3. Saddam was an imminent threat to the U.S.

Of course we later found out that none of the above was true, and most people have forgotten these little tid bits but yeah, 6 1/2 years is a long time to think back.

That's crazy talk you damn tree-hugging hippy!

Deej · 03-11-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dig420

Deej, we also break 'many' treaties, just about every day.

I imagine we do...

but genocide? Of our people or other countries? Yes of course when were in war, but its not like were going into mexico and slaughtering people...

You know what im talking about if youre in this conversation telling me this...

you just wanted to point out an arguable point in my statement...

dig420 · 03-11-2009, 11:30 PM

No, I wanted to point out that this is not a rationalization of any sort for going to war and killing thousands and thousands of people. Iraq broke the terms of SANCTIONS, not a treaty anyway, and most of their violations were trading their oil for food. We have violated the Geneva Convention, in fact we violate treaties and any and all agreements we want anytime we want. Nobody can punish us for it.

My point is don't look for excuses. The only excuse for killing people is if they're about to kill you.

pigman · 03-12-2009, 12:51 AM

The cost of the wars is more than 2 trillion dollars.
Its stupid to blow up a country and then rebuild it.

03-11-2009, 07:51 PM	#54
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	God dammit danza... Now i have mixed feelings on the war... both good and bad... but you post here is kinda bunk... Youre saying the war is ok since vietnam was much worse... especially in one day. thats not justification. Thats weighing statistics. All I have to say as far as casualties is this... Iraq is lacking... Im not saying vietnam wasnt either, but they were much more geared and we are a hell of a lot more geared than we were then. There are many differences to weigh as to why the casualties are lower in this war. Were the shit! I feel good and I feel bad about the war... i feel good because it got sadam out of reign... he broke many many treaties that warranted these actions far before now... i feel bad because its a bunk ass oil and power war... meaning those lives lost were just thrown away... tell me this Danza... Why is the war good? We got saddam how many years ago? We havent yet to bring democracy to iraq, nor do I feel any time soon... So whats the better side of this war? __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

03-12-2009, 12:51 AM	#64
pigman Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 760	The cost of the wars is more than 2 trillion dollars. Its stupid to blow up a country and then rebuild it. __________________ Suffering arises from attachment to desires. Suffering ceases when attachment to desire ceases.

03-11-2009, 07:43 PM	#51
GatorB The Demon & 12clicks Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: SallyRand is a FAGGOT Posts: 18,208	back when this picture was taken we were well aware of what saddam was doing to his own people and the fact he was building an arsenal of chemical weapons. We didn't care because he was killing millions of Iranians for us.

03-11-2009, 07:52 PM	#55
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	You make it sound like a 50/50 shot either way, and that's not the case. We KNEW he didn't have a nuke and we knew he didn't have stockpiles of WMD's, but we USED the specter of that possibility to justify an invasion of a sovereign nation for what appear to be strictly personal feelings on the part of GWB. In most cases our intelligence is strong one way or the other.

03-11-2009, 07:53 PM	#56
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	Deej, we also break 'many' treaties, just about every day.

03-11-2009, 11:30 PM	#63
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	No, I wanted to point out that this is not a rationalization of any sort for going to war and killing thousands and thousands of people. Iraq broke the terms of SANCTIONS, not a treaty anyway, and most of their violations were trading their oil for food. We have violated the Geneva Convention, in fact we violate treaties and any and all agreements we want anytime we want. Nobody can punish us for it. My point is don't look for excuses. The only excuse for killing people is if they're about to kill you.