q for the fighters round these parts...what self defense dicipline should i study

[BusterBunny]

this will be for self defense purposes...close quarters, half the time i will be outweighed by at least 100lbs if not more...the fight's will proly be to my death, so my goal is immobilize/disorient and get the fuck away asap...not sit and fight to the end...hope that makes sense...

[BusterBunny]

ps...if i suddenly stop posting in the near future i am proly dead

[aico]

shit your pants, reach in and grab some, commence attack.

I call it Flung Poo

[BusterBunny]

Originally Posted by aico

shit your pants, reach in and grab some, commence attack.

I call it Flung Poo

might work but odds are that's gonna be what is used against me not to mention hygiene matters little to my opponents

[Marcus Aurelius]

How bout Scottish karate "FUhKue" Its mostly headbutting and kicking people while they are on the ground.

[BusterBunny]

Originally Posted by MDCQ

How bout Scottish karate "FUhKue" Its mostly headbutting and kicking people while they are on the ground.

i'm like five-eleven and 145 half of the dudes are six-four 245 if not WAY bigger...i need to know how to get them to the ground so i could head butt them ;)...not to mention if i could get them to the ground i will be exiting the scene asap not trying to finish the fight

[Marcus Aurelius]

Originally Posted by BusterBunny

i'm like five-eleven and 145 half of the dudes are six-four 245 if not WAY bigger...i need to know how to get them to the ground so i could head butt them ;)...not to mention if i could get them to the ground i will be exiting the scene asap not trying to finish the fight

The answer my friend is simple. Carry a stepladder. When the fight begins bring it out and set it up, they will pause in confusion, as you are looking them in the eye from atop the stepladder you headbutt them, be sure the top of your head contacts the front ridge of their forehead, when they are on the ground, fold up your stepladder, kick the shit out of them, flee the scene.

[BusterBunny]

Originally Posted by MDCQ

The answer my friend is simple. Carry a stepladder. When the fight begins bring it out and set it up, they will pause in confusion, as you are looking them in the eye from atop the stepladder you headbutt them, be sure the top of your head contacts the front ridge of their forehead, when they are on the ground, fold up your stepladder, kick the shit out of them, flee the scene.

i'm gonna die

[Marcus Aurelius]

Originally Posted by BusterBunny

i'm gonna die

Nah it works. The kid in my sig is watching a demonstration video of the technique in action...

[aico]

Originally Posted by BusterBunny

i'm gonna die

everytime they hit you, moan like you're about to cum... that, with the combination of my Flung Poo discipline should thwart any defeat.

Oh, and wear golf shoes with metal spikes, and start dancing on the concrete so you make sparks, saying "Ah cha cha" at the end of each move, this will also confuse them momentarily.

[BusterBunny]

Originally Posted by MDCQ

Nah it works. The kid in my sig is watching a demonstration video of the technique in action...

i thought vadar was choking him to death, your technique really is the shit thanx
[QUOTE=aico;15063648]everytime they hit you, moan like you're about to cum... that, with the combination of my Flung Poo discipline should thwart any defeat.
QUOTE]

much like the poo attack this will proly only make them happy not to mention it will proly be their technique too...


im thing cross of crab and akido?


is akido just show or does it work?

[WarChild]

Just learn to cry like a girl.

[BusterBunny]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Just learn to cry like a girl.

much like the jizz and poo techniques that will only make things worse

[TheSenator]

I heard guns can do that.

[BusterBunny]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

I heard guns can do that.

don't i wish...and yeah pretty much that's what it will take...in the end i'm doomed no matter what i learn, just looking for the best odds tho...

[WarChild]

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

But you're still probably going to get smashed by guys 100 pounds heavier than you. Not too much you can do about that.

[jakethedog]

my favorite and most practical in my opinion has been Muay Thai ... very raw and to the point not pretty or going to impress to many chicks .. but certainly evens your odds and a great way top stay in shape .. I studied under a great old guy named "Gordy Gong" for over 10 years .. it can become a lifestyle ..and one hell of a way to vent on mother fuckers who pissed me off after a long night of drinking .....( just being honest ) lol

[BusterBunny]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

But you're still probably going to get smashed by guys 100 pounds heavier than you. Not too much you can do about that.

reasonable for sure...most of those dudes are small and take on big ass dudes and seem to not get killed...that thing where they put their palms behind their back on the ground with one foot on the ground and the other keeping the attacker at bay while you kinda crab walk was actually taught for this application..but that was about it besides a couple cheesy axe blocks and akido type parries...only thing is the jiu jitsu dudes seem to like to sit and fight i wanna run like a mofo

[Sands]

Gun fu

[d-null]

to fit what you are asking, Krav Maga is probably the best (although maybe special forces hand to hand and weapon training for many different countries would work)

Krav Maga is the only one that seriously trains for quick survival fights where your aim would be to live or kill your opponent as quickly as possible, and they train with guns as well


Krav Maga is probably the only serious suggestion for you, but the difficulty is in finding a good teacher in lieu of actually going to Israel to prepare to fight in real war

[BusterBunny]

Originally Posted by jakethedog

my favorite and most practical in my opinion has been Muay Thai ... very raw and to the point not pretty or going to impress to many chicks .. but certainly evens your odds and a great way top stay in shape .. I studied under a great old guy named "Gordy Gong" for over 10 years .. it can become a lifestyle ..and one hell of a way to vent on mother fuckers who pissed me off after a long night of drinking .....( just being honest ) lol

that's pretty much standind toe to toe or stand up clenching isn't it?..i cant be in grappling or boxing matches giving up a foot in reach...dude's will just lay on me with their weight and i'm going down...tho the knees and elbows will proly be about all i will be able to use since i wont be able to get extension of limbs...how involved is defense and ground survival?

Originally Posted by d-null

to fit what you are asking, Krav Maga is probably the best (although maybe special forces hand to hand and weapon training for many different countries would work)

Krav Maga is the only one that seriously trains for quick survival fights where your aim would be to live or kill your opponent as quickly as possible, and they train with guns as well


Krav Maga is probably the only serious suggestion for you, but the difficulty is in finding a good teacher in lieu of actually going to Israel to prepare to fight in real war

lol can't believe i called it crab

yeah that seemed the most logical except i need them to live...i need something that involves deflection and running away to combine with it...tis why i ask if akido is just for show or does it work in real world practice...especially with the weight and reach im giving up

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by BusterBunny

that's pretty much standind toe to toe or stand up clenching isn't it?..i cant be in grappling or boxing matches giving up a foot in reach...dude's will just lay on me with their weight and i'm going down...tho the knees and elbows will proly be about all i will be able to use since i wont be able to get extension of limbs...how involved is defense and ground survival?

lol can't believe i called it crab

yeah that seemed the most logical except i need them to live...i need something that involves deflection and running away to combine with it...tis why i ask if akido is just for show or does it work in real world practice...especially with the weight and reach im giving up

You might be able to make Aikdo work a little after 10 years of training it. Good luck.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by BusterBunny

yeah that seemed the most logical except i need them to live...i need something that involves deflection and running away to combine with it...tis why i ask if akido is just for show or does it work in real world practice...especially with the weight and reach im giving up

wait a sec, you said that the fights will be probably to your death, then you say that you need them to live.... you are doomed if you give them that much of an advantage mentally right off the top

[d-null]

Originally Posted by BusterBunny

...i need something that involves deflection and running away to combine with it

practice the 100 meter sprint

carry some pepper spray

[12clicks]

change how you live. There's no need to fight

[BusterBunny]

Originally Posted by WarChild

You might be able to make Aikdo work a little after 10 years of training it. Good luck.

k thats what i wanted to know...are there any practical mostly deflection or using the attackers momentum to get them off balance so you can run that are faster to learn? if not i'm looking more towards jiu jitsu because they are on the ground/outmatched and have alota defensive moves...i could kinda hurt them enough to get away without being crippled or being knocked into retardation...

Originally Posted by d-null

wait a sec, you said that the fights will be probably to your death, then you say that you need them to live.... you are doomed if you give them that much of an advantage mentally right off the top

exactly...i said i was doomed myself already it is inevitable at some point it's coming this is the life i chose just trying to figure out how to make it home to chop juicy heads onto trannies and wake up the next day...krav would totally work cause in theory i could kill but would really rather not cause it's a shitstorm...but if someone is gonna kill me i wont hesisitate to disable them and walk away....

[WarChild]

Just get a big fat can of Bear Spray. That's really your only choice.

[BusterBunny]

Originally Posted by d-null

practice the 100 meter sprint

carry some pepper spray

i have the sprint down to a science no worries there...i can't have any pepper spray besides, the last two people that did ended up with broken faces and never had a chance to get it out....i need something to get someone off me long enough when i'm in a corner to use the rabbit quickness ;)

[d-null]

Originally Posted by BusterBunny

exactly...i said i was doomed myself already it is inevitable at some point it's coming this is the life i chose just trying to figure out how to make it home to chop juicy heads onto trannies and wake up the next day...krav would totally work cause in theory i could kill but would really rather not cause it's a shitstorm...but if someone is gonna kill me i wont hesisitate to disable them and walk away....

alot of krav maga drills are about getting distance from your opponent and getting the fuck out of there... jiu jitsu training seems more often about closing distance and engaging battle with your opponent on the ground

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by WarChild

You might be able to make Aikdo work a little after 10 years of training it. Good luck.

hahahahahaha!!! so true!!


I got my 17 years of BJJ done and under my belt(Black Belt). The problem with being that good and skilled, people generally know it and bring a gun. It has happened 3 times to me. And i was there when a man brought a gun and pulled it on my instructor Rigan Machado at the academy.


Rigan banged this guys wife and didnt know she was married. The guy knew Rigan was the real deal and came prepared.


I thought it was going to be a murder suicide that day.



I get out of most situations with a hand shake and an apology. Works almost every time.

[BusterBunny]

Originally Posted by d-null

alot of krav maga drills are about getting distance from your opponent and getting the fuck out of there... jiu jitsu training seems more often about closing distance and engaging battle with your opponent on the ground

yep tis my front runner for #1 but i think i really need to combine something with it

Originally Posted by jakethedog

my favorite and most practical in my opinion has been Muay Thai ... very raw and to the point not pretty or going to impress to many chicks .. but certainly evens your odds and a great way top stay in shape .. I studied under a great old guy named "Gordy Gong" for over 10 years .. it can become a lifestyle ..and one hell of a way to vent on mother fuckers who pissed me off after a long night of drinking .....( just being honest ) lol

btw what are your dimensions and what fighting styles give you problems when you fight against...knowing what gives bigger guys problems would help.. you pic looks about like 35% of my attackers....and if anthony steps in this thread he would be perfect for that question cause he seems about 35% of whats coming at me as well...


and thanks for the replies so far

[Bojangles]

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Also, start lifting some weights.




Good luck.

[bushwacker]

Originally Posted by BusterBunny

i'm like five-eleven and 145 half of the dudes are six-four 245 if not WAY bigger...i need to know how to get them to the ground so i could head butt them ;)...not to mention if i could get them to the ground i will be exiting the scene asap not trying to finish the fight

Eat, Eat, Eat...........you are one scrawny mofo.

[gornyhuy]

If you want a more practical and more offense-oriented art that incorporates the principals of aikido you are talking about, you should try Hapkido. It combines the kicking/punching of a traditional striking style like taekwondo, the joint locks/throws/circular motion of aikido, and the hip throws of judo. It is often weak on the grappling side of things though.

No matter what, you are looking at a good 3 years before any art really begins to become ingrained and useful for you, and easily 5 to 10 before it becomes sort of natural and effective.

You might want to learn escrima and then just carry a billy club or some small staffs around with you all the time.

[stickyfingerz]

Bunny style duh...

[Sleestak Attack]

What a strange collection of worries you have.


Instead of trying to fight/defend and escape, just ask yourself . . . what the fuck are you doing to piss everyone off so much?


Maybe you could just stop doing that shit.

Most "normal" adults don't have such worries.

And think of all the money you would save not having to buy a fluffy bathrobe outfit, a karate kid headband and goofy lessons.

[Holly]

Offer to suck everyone's dick. That usually gets me out of most tense situations with groups of guys.

Let me know how it goes.

[Anthony]

Nike Fu.

Nothing will get you prepared fast enough.

Though I would put a 6 month BJJ white belt over any other 6 month Martial Art any day of the week.

[Sly]

What exactly are you walking into that you will need to fight to the death? And if that situation is true, what have you done that you cannot seek out legal protection?

If your life is in danger, I really don't see why the welfare of the other person should even be considered. If they are trying to kill you, you kill them... whatever it takes.

[SilentKnight]

The flying manboob drop kick (with optional hole in crotch) is a crowd pleaser everytime.

[d-null]

Originally Posted by BusterBunny

i'm like five-eleven and 145 half of the dudes are six-four 245 if not WAY bigger...i need to know how to get them to the ground so i could head butt them ;)...not to mention if i could get them to the ground i will be exiting the scene asap not trying to finish the fight

if these guys are that much of bullies to want to fight someone less than half their size, then you shouldn't even be thinking of fighting them, I'd use weaponry or better yet avoid the scene altogether... don't think about trying to get them to the ground, because they will be strong enough to grab a hold of you and not let go


check out this video for what can happen when somebody tries to fight someone twice their size:

WARNING - the result is ugly to watch...

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by d-null

if these guys are that much of bullies to want to fight someone less than half their size, then you shouldn't even be thinking of fighting them, I'd use weaponry or better yet avoid the scene altogether... don't think about trying to get them to the ground, because they will be strong enough to grab a hold of you and not let go


check out this video for what can happen when somebody tries to fight someone twice their size:

WARNING - the result is ugly to watch...

This is what happens when you train in Tae Kwon Do and think you can take on a real MMA fighter.

The mma fighter was told not to throw punches or kicks. Makes the destruction even more painful, doesn't it?

[d-null]

Originally Posted by Anthony

This is what happens when you train in Tae Kwon Do and think you can take on a real MMA fighter.

The mma fighter was told not to throw punches or kicks. Makes the destruction even more painful, doesn't it?

maybe, but the size difference meant more than the style, that little guy could have trained all year at BJJ and he still would have lost

of course TKD which is a sport more than a realistic fighting style is not much of a help either

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by d-null

maybe, but the size difference meant more than the style, that little guy could have trained all year at BJJ and he still would have lost

of course TKD which is a sport more than a realistic fighting style is not much of a help either

If that guy trained in BJJ, he would have had a better showing. n

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Pepper Spray. It's cheaper and more effective.

Just a note though...
Some guys it just pisses them off more, especially if they been sprayed a few times by it.

But it quickly gets you the upper hand and ya goto ask yerself... Should I kick em and take advantage of the moment or run?

Which leads to...
Do you feel lucky?

[BusterBunny]

Originally Posted by Sly

What exactly are you walking into that you will need to fight to the death? And if that situation is true, what have you done that you cannot seek out legal protection?

If your life is in danger, I really don't see why the welfare of the other person should even be considered. If they are trying to kill you, you kill them... whatever it takes.

i am literally walking into hell on earth on a daily basis...imagine the most unstable and volatile person you can think of and multiply it by 1000 and i'm not exaggerating...i agree with the doing whatever it takes part but if possible i'd reallllly rather not...not to mention that takes more contact and time than i want to spend in the situation...

[BusterBunny]

Originally Posted by Sleestak Attack

And think of all the money you would save not having to buy a fluffy bathrobe outfit, a karate kid headband and goofy lessons.

[BusterBunny]

Originally Posted by Anthony

If that guy trained in BJJ, he would have had a better showing. n

so i take it you are saying bjj should be on my list? i understand no matter what discipline it will take a while but this seems to be the consensus....also i ran into a purple belt in bjj on the way home he made it sound pretty convincing...plus he told me they have a night dedicated to throws and quick submissions, which sounded perfect...again i know it takes forever to learn but no matter which i pick i will be starting at the beginning so telling me it takes forever is of no concern...just want to know what i should be devoting my time to

[simpson]

Hey if you want to fight.. and create distance at the same time.. why not try "arnis"

it's a local martial arts here in my country... that uses some stick to attack and defend at the same time...

and if you're pretty skilled.. you can combine it with some kungfu , aikido, muai thai or some brazillian juijitsu...

I saw this one time in a tourney.. that he cracked open the opponents head and kicked him in his guts.. and then.. KO.. pretty cool..

Or you can learn how to do samurai techniques in arnis.. i would choose the hit and run version for you.. you hit the attacker then run.. if he chase you. you stop and hit him again.. then run..

It's kinda wuzz but hey... your a wuzz right.. hahah... just kidding...

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by BusterBunny

so i take it you are saying bjj should be on my list? i understand no matter what discipline it will take a while but this seems to be the consensus....also i ran into a purple belt in bjj on the way home he made it sound pretty convincing...plus he told me they have a night dedicated to throws and quick submissions, which sounded perfect...again i know it takes forever to learn but no matter which i pick i will be starting at the beginning so telling me it takes forever is of no concern...just want to know what i should be devoting my time to

NO, I advocate buying a gun.