Rackshack Blacklisting - GoFuckYourself.com

Piccy · 11-06-2002, 04:35 AM

Hi Guys,

I have been 'lurking' around for a little while, but never really had a reason to post until now. So here goes my GFY duck!

I went to submit a gallery yesterday to FreePicSeries and PinkWorld; and came up with the following message.

"Blacklisted the whole of the net where your gallery is hosted "

I assumed this was because they had blacklisted all Rackshack domains (I know there are no problems with mine, so it wouldn't be me individually).

I wrote to both TGPs pointing out that hundreds (probably thousands) of adult webmasters use rackshack, because the prices are so good, and the bandwidth allowance so generous. and so could my domains be added to some kind of safelist or something, so that I could still submit.

Haven't heard back from Pinkworld yet, but got this back from FreePic Series.

"Hi piccy

We tried to do something about that but rackshack don't want to do something

I got like 30-50 soubmission per day froma russian who use this host and I decided to blacklisted this host

Sorry I can't do nothing about that

(Name Supplied) Webmaster - Freepicseries"

I would guess that quite a few people in here use Rackshack for hosting their sites, galleries etc; and wanted to see the thoughts on blacklisting whole ips.

I realise that cheaters must be a real thorn in the side of tgp owners, but to me this seems pretty odd, because you are blacklisting so many people at the same time.

I realise that blocking an IP will stop this guy for a couple of days maybe, but he after all is only one bad apple; and will only find another host anyway, which rather defeats the point.

In my experience Rackshack aren't in some devilish plot to ruin tgp owners days. They just happen to sell (alot) of dedicated servers at good prices, which by the very nature of bulk does attract the odd dodgy character.

Surely there must be a way of attacking this problem from a different angle? Or at least having some kind of setup so that normal, straight-forward submitters don't get dragged down in the same mess as the cheaters?

Let me know your thoughts.

Have a profitable day!

Piccy

Tipsy · 11-06-2002, 04:47 AM

Fuck 'em. Their loss and stupidity and there are plenty more TGP's out there. Just don't submit to them.

daman420 · 11-06-2002, 05:24 AM

piccy contact me on icq: 31015245

I provide hosting that is not banned on tgps.

G-D · 11-06-2002, 05:34 AM

Piccy if you let them dictate to you who you use for hosting, what are you going to do next? Let them pick your meals or just your spouse?

AcidMax · 11-06-2002, 05:39 AM

I got this same error yesterday. I have had convo with the gentleman from freepicseries and at first he stated the ban would only be a few days, then stated it will not be lifted, when I asked about getting partner submitter status, he said he charged for partner status on his TGP.

Not sure why they wouldn't just find the IP addresses from Rackshack support that this customer owns, I am sure Rackshack would give them that data to block instead of enitre subnets.

HOWEVER, from the Pink World standpoint this TGP is offering to still accept submissions to their TGP via another method which I think is great. Good job Pink World!

Andy

cosis · 11-06-2002, 06:58 AM

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Not sure why they wouldn't just find the IP addresses from Rackshack support that this customer owns, I am sure Rackshack would give them that data to block instead of enitre subnets.

Andy [/B]

That would usually be the first method although this person is using multiple ip's to submit:

IP-addresses: 200.58.160.136-proxy, 213.226.12.199, 211.79.1.245-proxy, 200.58.161.136-proxy, 200.181.107.130, 200.206.140.244, 212.36.12.233, 195.22.176.226, 209.239.52.178, 200.194.97.10, 195.24.61.221, 195.24.61.141, 195.24.61.251, 213.25.170.97, 195.24.61.190, 213.136.147.254, 213.226.12.211, 195.24.61.157, 213.226.12.204, 213.226.12.243, 62.176.86.172, 212.36.5.191, 195.24.61.199, 212.36.5.183, 66.187.96.5, 210.69.13.29, 212.36.5.176, 212.36.5.186, 212.36.5.187, 210.228.146.81 (and may be 200.58.160.136-proxy, 200.58.161.136-proxy, 66.187.96.5)

AcidMax · 11-06-2002, 07:13 AM

OK , but all those addresses are not on rackshack's network right? Those are his IP addresses from the proxy he is using.

I know rackshack, and I know this guy can't have too many IP addresses unless he owns about 40 servers there or something.

Blocking the webserver & domains is the best way to go, not the entire subnet blocking anyone who uses Rackshack over another provider.

Figure out what box he is on and block his ip's...thats all, then it doesnt matter what IP address he uses to submit, as long as you have the domains or his server blocked. Just don't block out everyone else, people doing this are going to loose some quality submitters and cost others money over this 1 person.

Andy

Piccy · 11-06-2002, 07:15 AM

lol..exactly GD. Haven't heard from Pinkworld yet, but then I only sent him the email last night; and I don't expect him to have to be Superman in terms of the speed of his reponses. If what you say is correct Andy, then that's good news.

The precise reason I moved over to dedicated hosting was to avoid all the redirecting crap etc that the 'freehosts' put you through.

Happy days are here again...(or so I thought) when I went over to dedicated.

And now I essentially get blacklisted because SOMEONE ELSE is being an idiot! Terrific.

The thing that troubles me about this is that so many of the tgps share their lists around. Today its 2 tgps (that I know of) pulling the rug from Rackshack; maybe tomorrow it will be five, then ten etc. I don't want to have to stop submitting to places that are giving me good traffic for no reason.

I'm not sure on the technicalities of all this, but surely there must be a better way of getting to this russian guy?

Brown Bear · 11-06-2002, 08:01 AM

It's amazing how many people continue to try to cheat the system. There is so much money to be made the legit way for very little effort, I can't understand why they would go to all the trouble of trying to make a career out of cheating.

TFCash · 11-06-2002, 08:10 AM

Are you sure that they are blocking the IP's and not the name servers ??? I would bet that they are blocking any domains that use rackshack as the DNS, so the solution is to just use a different DNS and your good to go

Tim

G-D · 11-06-2002, 08:29 AM

There are plenty of 'free' proxy lists that you can find that the TGPs could block email from. As well as blocking the guys domain names. He can always pay RS to get some extra IPs to get around blocking him via IP.

Depending on what he is doing exactly, HeadSurfer will kill his RS account (on grounds that he is actually doing something illegal)

Bobby · 11-06-2002, 08:51 AM

Piccy Piccy Can I ask you why you are posting a thing like that here?

Ok here we go

We contacted rackshack about it but it seems that they can't or do nothing about that

It's not a simple cheater (we see simple cheaters every day). It's a person who uses over 100 different domains every day to post shit with different proxy IP's.

I can give you 70 domains right now if you want related to him, but I won't do it.

You don't have a clue about cheaters man. TGP works hard day after day to fight against them. It's sad for you but believe me we are not happy to do that.

We can blacklist them all we want (domain IP etc..) but he comes back with another domain with a different design the day after.

Why do you think that it's harder for some people to make some money with galleries now? Because TGP keeps the best spot galleries for him and the people he can trust.

Cheaters are sad for everybody

Piccy · 11-06-2002, 11:07 AM

The reason I am posting it here, is because I think there is something wrong with the idea of blanket blacklisting.

I don't even think it works. It just means that this guy finds another host, gets himself some new domains, and starts all over again. While the rest of the honest submitters get blackballed through no fault of there own, and have to find new hosts.

I don't think that does anyone any good. Plus, it's not as though Rackshack is 'in league with the enemy on this'; they dislike spammers, and folk who cause them grief as much as anyone. It's just that they are massive, and host so many people that the odd bad seed will inevitably sprout up every now and then. I would be interested to know how many folk in here host with them. Quite alot I suspect. Who if tgps blanket ban can't submit.

Don't get me wrong, I have no time for this scuzzball, but taring everyone with the same brush just gets everybody dirty; and I don't think it achieves the aim, which is after all to get rid of this clown.

I don't envy TGPs their cheaters, but cracking a walnut with a sledgehammer can't be the answer.

Carrie · 11-06-2002, 11:16 AM

I've seen a lot of LLs and TGPs not accepting submissions from people using Cogent bandwidth - one of the suppliers that Rackshack uses.
If you're on the unlimited BW plan at RS, you're on Cogent. If you're not, you're on a different provider - most likely Verio.

Here's my question - are you on a 400GB/mo plan or an unlimited plan?

Btw, as a web host and an adult webmaster, I kinda agree with blocking people using Cogent, for a lot of reasons. Latency, proliferation of cheaters because it's so damn cheap, and overall devaluation of the industry because it lowers the bar of entry so far that people don't have to worry about learning how to do things correctly before risking their house and home burning bandwidth - they just go ahead and make 50-pic hardcore galleries with no selling ability and continue to do so... and cause the rest of us to have lower conversions.
That doesn't even touch the reasons I agree with it as a web host.

11-06-2002, 04:35 AM	#1
Piccy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10	Rackshack Blacklisting Hi Guys, I have been 'lurking' around for a little while, but never really had a reason to post until now. So here goes my GFY duck! I went to submit a gallery yesterday to FreePicSeries and PinkWorld; and came up with the following message. "Blacklisted the whole of the net where your gallery is hosted " I assumed this was because they had blacklisted all Rackshack domains (I know there are no problems with mine, so it wouldn't be me individually). I wrote to both TGPs pointing out that hundreds (probably thousands) of adult webmasters use rackshack, because the prices are so good, and the bandwidth allowance so generous. and so could my domains be added to some kind of safelist or something, so that I could still submit. Haven't heard back from Pinkworld yet, but got this back from FreePic Series. "Hi piccy We tried to do something about that but rackshack don't want to do something I got like 30-50 soubmission per day froma russian who use this host and I decided to blacklisted this host Sorry I can't do nothing about that (Name Supplied) Webmaster - Freepicseries" I would guess that quite a few people in here use Rackshack for hosting their sites, galleries etc; and wanted to see the thoughts on blacklisting whole ips. I realise that cheaters must be a real thorn in the side of tgp owners, but to me this seems pretty odd, because you are blacklisting so many people at the same time. I realise that blocking an IP will stop this guy for a couple of days maybe, but he after all is only one bad apple; and will only find another host anyway, which rather defeats the point. In my experience Rackshack aren't in some devilish plot to ruin tgp owners days. They just happen to sell (alot) of dedicated servers at good prices, which by the very nature of bulk does attract the odd dodgy character. Surely there must be a way of attacking this problem from a different angle? Or at least having some kind of setup so that normal, straight-forward submitters don't get dragged down in the same mess as the cheaters? Let me know your thoughts. Have a profitable day! Piccy

11-06-2002, 04:47 AM	#2
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	Fuck 'em. Their loss and stupidity and there are plenty more TGP's out there. Just don't submit to them. __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

11-06-2002, 05:39 AM	#5
AcidMax Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: MI Posts: 1,827	I got this same error yesterday. I have had convo with the gentleman from freepicseries and at first he stated the ban would only be a few days, then stated it will not be lifted, when I asked about getting partner submitter status, he said he charged for partner status on his TGP. Not sure why they wouldn't just find the IP addresses from Rackshack support that this customer owns, I am sure Rackshack would give them that data to block instead of enitre subnets. HOWEVER, from the Pink World standpoint this TGP is offering to still accept submissions to their TGP via another method which I think is great. Good job Pink World! Andy __________________ Latest MMA news. http://www.mmawrapup.com

11-06-2002, 07:13 AM	#7
AcidMax Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: MI Posts: 1,827	OK , but all those addresses are not on rackshack's network right? Those are his IP addresses from the proxy he is using. I know rackshack, and I know this guy can't have too many IP addresses unless he owns about 40 servers there or something. Blocking the webserver & domains is the best way to go, not the entire subnet blocking anyone who uses Rackshack over another provider. Figure out what box he is on and block his ip's...thats all, then it doesnt matter what IP address he uses to submit, as long as you have the domains or his server blocked. Just don't block out everyone else, people doing this are going to loose some quality submitters and cost others money over this 1 person. Andy __________________ Latest MMA news. http://www.mmawrapup.com

11-06-2002, 08:01 AM	#9
Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	It's amazing how many people continue to try to cheat the system. There is so much money to be made the legit way for very little effort, I can't understand why they would go to all the trouble of trying to make a career out of cheating. __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

11-06-2002, 05:24 AM	#3
daman420 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 63	piccy contact me on icq: 31015245 I provide hosting that is not banned on tgps.

11-06-2002, 05:34 AM	#4
G-D Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 14	Piccy if you let them dictate to you who you use for hosting, what are you going to do next? Let them pick your meals or just your spouse?

11-06-2002, 07:15 AM	#8
Piccy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10	lol..exactly GD. Haven't heard from Pinkworld yet, but then I only sent him the email last night; and I don't expect him to have to be Superman in terms of the speed of his reponses. If what you say is correct Andy, then that's good news. The precise reason I moved over to dedicated hosting was to avoid all the redirecting crap etc that the 'freehosts' put you through. Happy days are here again...(or so I thought) when I went over to dedicated. And now I essentially get blacklisted because SOMEONE ELSE is being an idiot! Terrific. The thing that troubles me about this is that so many of the tgps share their lists around. Today its 2 tgps (that I know of) pulling the rug from Rackshack; maybe tomorrow it will be five, then ten etc. I don't want to have to stop submitting to places that are giving me good traffic for no reason. I'm not sure on the technicalities of all this, but surely there must be a better way of getting to this russian guy?

11-06-2002, 08:10 AM	#10
TFCash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,738	Are you sure that they are blocking the IP's and not the name servers ??? I would bet that they are blocking any domains that use rackshack as the DNS, so the solution is to just use a different DNS and your good to go Tim

11-06-2002, 08:29 AM	#11
G-D Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 14	There are plenty of 'free' proxy lists that you can find that the TGPs could block email from. As well as blocking the guys domain names. He can always pay RS to get some extra IPs to get around blocking him via IP. Depending on what he is doing exactly, HeadSurfer will kill his RS account (on grounds that he is actually doing something illegal)

11-06-2002, 08:51 AM	#12
Bobby Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 99	Piccy Piccy Can I ask you why you are posting a thing like that here? Ok here we go We contacted rackshack about it but it seems that they can't or do nothing about that It's not a simple cheater (we see simple cheaters every day). It's a person who uses over 100 different domains every day to post shit with different proxy IP's. I can give you 70 domains right now if you want related to him, but I won't do it. You don't have a clue about cheaters man. TGP works hard day after day to fight against them. It's sad for you but believe me we are not happy to do that. We can blacklist them all we want (domain IP etc..) but he comes back with another domain with a different design the day after. Why do you think that it's harder for some people to make some money with galleries now? Because TGP keeps the best spot galleries for him and the people he can trust. Cheaters are sad for everybody

11-06-2002, 11:07 AM	#13
Piccy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 10	The reason I am posting it here, is because I think there is something wrong with the idea of blanket blacklisting. I don't even think it works. It just means that this guy finds another host, gets himself some new domains, and starts all over again. While the rest of the honest submitters get blackballed through no fault of there own, and have to find new hosts. I don't think that does anyone any good. Plus, it's not as though Rackshack is 'in league with the enemy on this'; they dislike spammers, and folk who cause them grief as much as anyone. It's just that they are massive, and host so many people that the odd bad seed will inevitably sprout up every now and then. I would be interested to know how many folk in here host with them. Quite alot I suspect. Who if tgps blanket ban can't submit. Don't get me wrong, I have no time for this scuzzball, but taring everyone with the same brush just gets everybody dirty; and I don't think it achieves the aim, which is after all to get rid of this clown. I don't envy TGPs their cheaters, but cracking a walnut with a sledgehammer can't be the answer.

11-06-2002, 11:16 AM	#14
Carrie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Virgin - nee Posts: 3,162	I've seen a lot of LLs and TGPs not accepting submissions from people using Cogent bandwidth - one of the suppliers that Rackshack uses. If you're on the unlimited BW plan at RS, you're on Cogent. If you're not, you're on a different provider - most likely Verio. Here's my question - are you on a 400GB/mo plan or an unlimited plan? Btw, as a web host and an adult webmaster, I kinda agree with blocking people using Cogent, for a lot of reasons. Latency, proliferation of cheaters because it's so damn cheap, and overall devaluation of the industry because it lowers the bar of entry so far that people don't have to worry about learning how to do things correctly before risking their house and home burning bandwidth - they just go ahead and make 50-pic hardcore galleries with no selling ability and continue to do so... and cause the rest of us to have lower conversions. That doesn't even touch the reasons I agree with it as a web host.