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cherrylula · 11-05-2002, 01:33 PM

So then WHY does it cost so much more? Anyone of you edumacated peeps want to elaborate on the criminal justice system?

SleazyDream · 11-05-2002, 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by cherrylula
So then WHY does it cost so much more? Anyone of you edumacated peeps want to elaborate on the criminal justice system?

more time with lawyers, judges and research to make sure that they have the right person

iwantchixx · 11-05-2002, 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by GotGauge

No, not keeping the streets clean,
The prisions are full of Death row, and Life in Prision people, who will never get out.
I say If the evidence proves ( the reason they are in there), then death. Make room for the lessor criminal who we can then try to reabilitate back in to society.. ( yeah right) But it is set up that way...

here is an idea that may sound silly, all those "in prison for life" criminals should be put on a remote island that is at least 250 mile away from civilization. give them basic tools to hunt and survive. then forget about them. If they kill one another off, oh well, thats what you get for killing someone else in the first place.

doodoohead · 11-05-2002, 01:36 PM

My two cents ($.02)

I think that the death penalty is in direct violation with
the 8th Amendment of the Constitution. It doesnt matter how
you dress up death. It is cruel and unusual punishment.
However, I do agree with someone who said that jails should
be jails and not country clubs.

Sly_RJ · 11-05-2002, 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by redshift

rope is cheap

But lawyers aren't.

redshift · 11-05-2002, 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by iwantchixx

here is an idea that may sound silly, all those "in prison for life" criminals should be put on a remote island that is at least 250 mile away from civilization. give them basic tools to hunt and survive. then forget about them. If they kill one another off, oh well, thats what you get for killing someone else in the first place.

Been done - it's called austrialia, turned out to be a nice place to live

Sly_RJ · 11-05-2002, 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by iwantchixx

here is an idea that may sound silly, all those "in prison for life" criminals should be put on a remote island that is at least 250 mile away from civilization. give them basic tools to hunt and survive. then forget about them. If they kill one another off, oh well, thats what you get for killing someone else in the first place.

Australia anyone?

GotGauge · 11-05-2002, 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by iwantchixx

here is an idea that may sound silly, all those "in prison for life" criminals should be put on a remote island that is at least 250 mile away from civilization. give them basic tools to hunt and survive. then forget about them. If they kill one another off, oh well, thats what you get for killing someone else in the first place.

YEP

cherrylula · 11-05-2002, 01:40 PM

http://www.cnn.com/US/9907/27/tough.sheriff/

"We took away coffee, that saved $150,000 a year. Why do you need coffee in jail?"

redshift · 11-05-2002, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by cherrylula
http://www.cnn.com/US/9907/27/tough.sheriff/

hahhaa I love that guy

bologna sandwich anyone?

Funbrunette · 11-05-2002, 01:45 PM

Prisons are not designed to be comfortable, loving places. People are there to recieve punishment. They are the garbage dump of the community.

eroswebmaster · 11-05-2002, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by Funbrunette
Prisons are not designed to be comfortable, loving places. People are there to recieve punishment. They are the garbage dump of the community.

And they are not comfortable loving places...but at the moment schools and breeding grounds for smarter and more aggressive criminals.

The focus should be on rehabilitation so when they do get released...which a large percentage will...they will not come back to haunt your community.

iwantchixx · 11-05-2002, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by redshift

Been done - it's called austrialia, turned out to be a nice place to live

yeah i know, ironicaly it is the least violent country in the world....

hitman699 · 11-05-2002, 01:48 PM

Im for the death penalty. I think the victims families should get to pull the switch as well. If someone kills your daughter you deserve the right to revenge. sure it won't bring her back... but I tell ya it would make me feel a hell of a alot better. Heck id prob shoot his ass on the courthouse steps if it happened to my family.

redshift · 11-05-2002, 01:49 PM

Alot of folks that are against the death penalty change their minds when it's their loved one that is killed

Fletch XXX · 11-05-2002, 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by hitman699
Im for the death penalty. I think the victims families should get to pull the switch as well. If someone kills your daughter you deserve the right to revenge. sure it won't bring her back... but I tell ya it would make me feel a hell of a alot better. Heck id prob shoot his ass on the courthouse steps if it happened to my family.

And then you be in prison with more criminals.

Funbrunette · 11-05-2002, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster

And they are not comfortable loving places...but at the moment schools and breeding grounds for smarter and more aggressive criminals.

The focus should be on rehabilitation so when they do get released...which a large percentage will...they will not come back to haunt your community.

I guess you've never visited a jail...My brother is a cop and I've had the opportunity to visit a jail and I was shocked to see they had TV, VCR, Playstation, Computers, access to a full education, gym facility, and they're even served steak! Now how is that not comfortable? Hell I couldn't even afford half of that when I was in university...Lot's of poor people can't even afford a hot meal!!!!

eroswebmaster · 11-05-2002, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by redshift
Alot of folks that are against the death penalty change their minds when it's their loved one that is killed

You made the best point AGAINST the death penalty.

It should not be an EMOTIONAL thing...it's emotions that cause us to make mistakes.

It is emotion that drives police to falsify evidence...coerce confessions...and blindly follow a trail that leads no where while real evidence leads to the real killers.

Fletch XXX · 11-05-2002, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by Funbrunette

I guess you've never visited a jail...

Theres a big difference between Jail and prison.

Ever heard of Angola?

San Quentin?

That aint you brothers county jail with drunks and rotating doors.

Funbrunette · 11-05-2002, 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Theres a big difference between Jail and prison.

Ever heard of Angola?

San Quentin?

That aint you brothers county jail with drunks and rotating doors.

No, I can't say I have...Are they bad?
I don't consider Montreal to be a small city either...

Some of the inmates were in for murder not just being drunk in public...lol

eroswebmaster · 11-05-2002, 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by Funbrunette

I guess you've never visited a jail.

Wrong...my 2nd cousin did time in Kansas for accessory to murder and visited him on occassion and have seen how it affected him after 25+ years in prison.

Now before you start saying this guy deserved the death penalty etc...let me tell you a bit about his story.

He and 3 other buddies were exacting revenge...one of his friend's girlfriends was raped by this guy.

They beat him, chained him up to the back of their car and dragged him all over Wichita...he died...they all went to jail.

Fletch XXX · 11-05-2002, 01:58 PM

If youve never heard of San Quentin or Angola you shouldnt be arguing prisons arent tough enough hehehe ;)

Angola is a prison surrounded by swamps and alligators.

"Not just an ordinary farm, we were at the gates of the Louisiana State Penitentiary at Angola. The largest prison in the United States, 63 percent of the men in its confines will die there. Originally a plantation manned by slaves from the African nation of Angola"

cherrylula · 11-05-2002, 02:00 PM

I have a close relative (male) who did some time in whatever floor is the gangster ward in LA county jail.

He said when the lights go out, they eat twix bars out of each others assholes, and in the morning they all have dried cum in their hair. He was scared. Luckily he speaks spanish and got to kick it in the corner with the hetero mexican immigrants.

Oh yeah, and at one point they were rounded up naked, and had to straddle a bench. He said the black guy behind him was pressing a boner up against his ass and whispering dirty things in his ear. GROSSSSSSS!

eroswebmaster · 11-05-2002, 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
If youve never heard of San Quention or Angola you shouldnt be arguing prisons arent tough enough hehehe ;)

Let's not forget Attica and Joliet.

Funbrunette · 11-05-2002, 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
If youve never heard of San Quentin or Angola you shouldnt be arguing prisons arent tough enough hehehe ;)

Angola is a prison surrounded by swamps and alligators.

"Not just an ordinary farm, we were at the gates of the Louisiana State Penitentiary at Angola. The largest prison in the United States, 63 percent of the men in its confines will die there. Originally a plantation manned by slaves from the African nation of Angola"

Ok, so it's surrounded by alligators so? I thought most inmates stayed in and not out? Hehehehe! Perhaps it keeps them from escaping no?

Just because I haven't heard of every prison doesn't mean I can't argue about a subject I feel so strongly about!

Sly_RJ · 11-05-2002, 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by redshift
Alot of folks that are against the death penalty change their minds when it's their loved one that is killed

Which is why families don't make laws. Laws are not too be made on emotions. If they were, alcohol, cigarettes, automobiles, planes, and just about everything else you can possibly think of would be illegal.

The argument you just made is extremely ignorant.

The day emotions start creating laws is the day I move to my own island.

You guys can bitch about politicians and lawyers all you want, but I'll give them credit for one thing, they are very objective. Which is exactly what's needed in their positions.

And just for the record, if someone killed/raped my little girl, of course I would want to fry them on a skillet, and probably would if given the opportunity. But that sure as hell doesn't mean I shouldn't have to pay for my crime.

I'm personally against the death penalty. I was always for the death penalty, but about two years ago logic kicked in. There are many reasons I think the death penalty should be abolished, none of which I'll go into here.

Funbrunette · 11-05-2002, 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by cherrylula
I have a close relative (male) who did some time in whatever floor is the gangster ward in LA county jail.

He said when the lights go out, they eat twix bars out of each others assholes, and in the morning they all have dried cum in their hair. He was scared. Luckily he speaks spanish and got to kick it in the corner with the hetero mexican immigrants.

Oh yeah, and at one point they were rounded up naked, and had to straddle a bench. He said the black guy behind him was pressing a boner up against his ass and whispering dirty things in his ear. GROSSSSSSS!

Yeah, that's pretty sick! I NEVER said they should be tortured...Just not so god damn comfortable!

eroswebmaster · 11-05-2002, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by cherrylula
they eat twix bars out of each others assholes,

I prefer Heath Bars

Fletch XXX · 11-05-2002, 02:07 PM

"Angola's fascist administration, headed by racist Murray Henderson, has a history of sadistic and bizarre murders which never make it to the newspapers. However, countless acts of brutality and murder of inmates have been cited and told by Angola's few survivors."

http://www.angola3.org/fourmustpay.shtml

Sly_RJ · 11-05-2002, 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by Funbrunette

Yeah, that's pretty sick! I NEVER said they should be tortured...Just not so god damn comfortable!

Oh, come off it. I bet Cherry's story made you moist.

Funbrunette · 11-05-2002, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Oh, come off it. I bet Cherry's story made you moist.

Shit!!! How did you know?

[Labret] · 11-05-2002, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by Funbrunette

I guess you've never visited a jail...My brother is a cop and I've had the opportunity to visit a jail and I was shocked to see they had TV, VCR, Playstation, Computers, access to a full education, gym facility, and they're even served steak! Now how is that not comfortable? Hell I couldn't even afford half of that when I was in university...Lot's of poor people can't even afford a hot meal!!!!

Thats jail, not prison. HUGE difference.

And I can guarantee you the Detroit "jail" does not have PS, VCRs, Computers, and steak. Just lots of big scary black guys.

I imagine you must be speaking of Canadian jails.

dickblast · 11-05-2002, 02:09 PM

1 class of students at a univ researched death penalty cases at a state prison and found proof that an handful of them were actually innocent

if u knew more about our justice system (i.e. had been a pub defender or seen some of the death penalty cases up close) u'd know what a joke it is, noone has any clue how many innocent ppl are killed each year but the majority of the pop. feels that innocents have been put to death in the US in the last decade

the problem isnt killing killers, its making sure the right ppl are convicted and having a 'fair' justice system

cant fix one without the other, personally im in favor of capital punishment if there is no other social recourse meaning if the prisoner cannot contribute to society, but the current system is 2 much of a drain on taxpayers 2 make it a better alternative than life in prison.

Funbrunette · 11-05-2002, 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
"Angola's fascist administration, headed by racist Murray Henderson, has a history of sadistic and bizarre murders which never make it to the newspapers. However, countless acts of brutality and murder of inmates have been cited and told by Angola's few survivors."

http://www.angola3.org/fourmustpay.shtml

Wow! Very interesting Fletch....Thanks for posting that.

The CaVeMaN · 11-05-2002, 02:19 PM

I am Yes for the death penalty

SleazyDream · 11-05-2002, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

Thats jail, not prison. HUGE difference.

And I can guarantee you the Detroit "jail" does not have PS, VCRs, Computers, and steak. Just lots of big scary black guys.

I imagine you must be speaking of Canadian jails.

Canadian jails don't have many big scarry black guys, but they Do have Big Ugly Socialist Natives though that don't like whities much.

redshift · 11-05-2002, 02:43 PM

Im more afraid of a big black guy yellin "yo gonna be my bitch!!"

than the death penalty

Funbrunette · 11-05-2002, 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by redshift
Im more afraid of a big black guy yellin "yo gonna be my bitch!!"

than the death penalty

Penrod · 11-05-2002, 03:03 PM

scrambled or sunny side up?

Schwick · 11-05-2002, 05:41 PM

Rip · 11-05-2002, 07:01 PM

I vote YES

but only if I can hold the gun

Rip · 11-05-2002, 07:11 PM

No wait... I changed my mind

we shoulld have colossal trials with a massive media circus for these criminals

further we should cause as much pain as possible to the victims families by making this a very lengthy process

then after years and millions of taxpayers dollars, we should find that a murder conviction cannot stick due to some technicality, or find them mentally insane, or plea bargain them down

then after about 5-6 years of this nonsense, we should let the criminal write a book, and make a ton of money causing further pain and despair to the families of his victims

oh, yeah... I forgot, we already have that

UnseenWorld · 11-05-2002, 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by Funbrunette
I often wonder how a lawyer can defend someone like Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy...

How about because if they can't get a lawyer to defend him, there will be no trial?

BrutalMaster · 11-05-2002, 07:49 PM

The one problem I see with Capitol Punishment is, it's a government run program. To me, that means it has to be suspect.

Brutal

UnseenWorld · 11-05-2002, 08:00 PM

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Originally posted by Funbrunette
Prisons are not designed to be comfortable, loving places. People are there to recieve punishment. They are the garbage dump of the community.

Not exactly right. The criminal is there AS punishment, not FOR punishment.

Fletch XXX · 11-05-2002, 08:01 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

Not exactly right. The criminal is there AS punishment, not FOR punishment.

Interesting point.

UnseenWorld · 11-05-2002, 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by redshift
Alot of folks that are against the death penalty change their minds when it's their loved one that is killed

I'm sure you'd change your mind about the death penalty yourself, if you found yourself wrongly convicted of murder, as we now know happens quite a bit.

Just a question: If you found yourself on death row wrongly convicted of murder, would you be saying, "I didn't commit this murder, but I still think the death penalty is a good thing"?

BT · 11-05-2002, 08:41 PM

If you make these sorry Mother Fuckers fear what is going to happen to them it might make them think a little harder when it comes time to do the crime! Depending on the crime they should pay with pain.... Public stoning till death!

ChrisH · 11-05-2002, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

Because then people like me have to pay the bill for your loss.

Why should I have to pay to house your enemy?

It costs more to keep them alive.

A lot. Hundreds of dollars a day, per criminal. They arent even worth what it costs to keep them alive.

Not even close. To house an inmate for 30 years would cost the state under 2 million. To exhaust appeals it would cost 15-20 million to execute the inmate.

I however am pro capital punishment. Anyone that rapes and kills a 5 year old child doesn't deserve the right to breath!

Evil Chris · 11-05-2002, 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by ChrisH
Not even close. To house an inmate for 30 years would cost the state under 2 million. To exhaust appeals it would cost 15-20 million to execute the inmate.

I however am pro capital punishment. Anyone that rapes and kills a 5 year old child doesn't deserve the right to breath!

I agree with that 100%. However what in the hell do we do about the legal system that says we need to re-habilitate the morons who do this sort of shit?

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	If youve never heard of San Quentin or Angola you shouldnt be arguing prisons arent tough enough hehehe ;) Angola is a prison surrounded by swamps and alligators. "Not just an ordinary farm, we were at the gates of the Louisiana State Penitentiary at Angola. The largest prison in the United States, 63 percent of the men in its confines will die there. Originally a plantation manned by slaves from the African nation of Angola" __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me Last edited by Fletch XXX; 11-05-2002 at 02:00 PM..

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cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	I have a close relative (male) who did some time in whatever floor is the gangster ward in LA county jail. He said when the lights go out, they eat twix bars out of each others assholes, and in the morning they all have dried cum in their hair. He was scared. Luckily he speaks spanish and got to kick it in the corner with the hetero mexican immigrants. Oh yeah, and at one point they were rounded up naked, and had to straddle a bench. He said the black guy behind him was pressing a boner up against his ass and whispering dirty things in his ear. GROSSSSSSS! Last edited by cherrylula; 11-05-2002 at 02:01 PM..

11-05-2002, 02:07 PM	#129
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	"Angola's fascist administration, headed by racist Murray Henderson, has a history of sadistic and bizarre murders which never make it to the newspapers. However, countless acts of brutality and murder of inmates have been cited and told by Angola's few survivors." http://www.angola3.org/fourmustpay.shtml __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

11-05-2002, 01:33 PM	#101
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	So then WHY does it cost so much more? Anyone of you edumacated peeps want to elaborate on the criminal justice system?

11-05-2002, 01:40 PM	#109
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	http://www.cnn.com/US/9907/27/tough.sheriff/ "We took away coffee, that saved $150,000 a year. Why do you need coffee in jail?"

11-05-2002, 01:48 PM	#114
hitman699 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 159	Im for the death penalty. I think the victims families should get to pull the switch as well. If someone kills your daughter you deserve the right to revenge. sure it won't bring her back... but I tell ya it would make me feel a hell of a alot better. Heck id prob shoot his ass on the courthouse steps if it happened to my family.

11-05-2002, 01:49 PM	#115
redshift Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: anus fuckin' yo mama Posts: 1,044	Alot of folks that are against the death penalty change their minds when it's their loved one that is killed

11-05-2002, 02:09 PM	#133
dickblast Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ben Curtis's Tour Bus Posts: 666	1 class of students at a univ researched death penalty cases at a state prison and found proof that an handful of them were actually innocent if u knew more about our justice system (i.e. had been a pub defender or seen some of the death penalty cases up close) u'd know what a joke it is, noone has any clue how many innocent ppl are killed each year but the majority of the pop. feels that innocents have been put to death in the US in the last decade the problem isnt killing killers, its making sure the right ppl are convicted and having a 'fair' justice system cant fix one without the other, personally im in favor of capital punishment if there is no other social recourse meaning if the prisoner cannot contribute to society, but the current system is 2 much of a drain on taxpayers 2 make it a better alternative than life in prison. __________________ Ben Curtis is a Ninja

11-05-2002, 02:19 PM	#135
The CaVeMaN Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 171	I am Yes for the death penalty

11-05-2002, 02:43 PM	#137
redshift Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: anus fuckin' yo mama Posts: 1,044	Im more afraid of a big black guy yellin "yo gonna be my bitch!!" than the death penalty

11-05-2002, 03:03 PM	#139
Penrod Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,578	scrambled or sunny side up?

11-05-2002, 05:41 PM	#140
Schwick Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Right here, right now. Posts: 543	NO

11-05-2002, 07:01 PM	#141
Rip Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: somewheres wet Posts: 1,456	I vote YES but only if I can hold the gun

11-05-2002, 07:11 PM	#142
Rip Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: somewheres wet Posts: 1,456	No wait... I changed my mind we shoulld have colossal trials with a massive media circus for these criminals further we should cause as much pain as possible to the victims families by making this a very lengthy process then after years and millions of taxpayers dollars, we should find that a murder conviction cannot stick due to some technicality, or find them mentally insane, or plea bargain them down then after about 5-6 years of this nonsense, we should let the criminal write a book, and make a ton of money causing further pain and despair to the families of his victims oh, yeah... I forgot, we already have that

11-05-2002, 07:49 PM	#144
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11-05-2002, 08:41 PM	#148
BT Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft liquordale FL Posts: 6,481	If you make these sorry Mother Fuckers fear what is going to happen to them it might make them think a little harder when it comes time to do the crime! Depending on the crime they should pay with pain.... Public stoning till death! __________________ IS Prime Hosting Bald Head Shine "BT" The American Dream, baby! " THE HOST WITH THE MOST!" My ICQ 122994792