Death penalty...Yes or No?
 

Capital punishment is the ultimate denial of civil liberties because it violates the constitutional ban on cruel and unusual punishment. I see it as a double standard?Basically you?re executing a person for killing another human? Two wrongs don?t make a right.

Instead, I think our jails should be more like jails and less and all inclusive resorts?
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"Death is justice only in war."

quote me one day

fry em...i say once a month have national death penalty day. Line everyone up on death row and kill em one at a time:glugglug

When Illinois discovered through DNA evidence that more than half their death row inmates were innocent, I stopped being in favor of the death penalty.

Not saying some dont deserve to die.

Let one of your children be raped and lets see how lovin of justice you are.

The tables turn while youre at the funeral or the hospital watching a family member be revived.

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great point

But killing the person who killed and rape my child wouldn't bring back my child and wouldn't take the pain away...Why not lock him up in a rotten jail and throw out the key!!!

Because then people like me have to pay the bill for your loss.

Why should I have to pay to house your enemy?

It costs more to keep them alive.

A lot. Hundreds of dollars a day, per criminal. They arent even worth what it costs to keep them alive.

The war is on for Murders, Rapists, and Serial Killers!

Eye for an Eye!

i think the term 'capital punishment' is misinterpreted a lot of the time. killing the guilty (by that i mean those that are found guilty) does not 'punish' them. it removes them from society and tells society that sort of behavior is not permissable.

That's why I strongly feel the jails should be more like jails and less like all inclusive resorts...I disagree that an inmate should be able to get a degree while being in jail.

If they were locked up and fed crap...People wouldn't be comfortable in jail while some of us have to work our asses off to pay for our education, mortgage and all the other things we need to pay for!

Makes no since to lock someoen up For the rest of their life.
If it is that bad of a crime, and they can't be rehabilitated, then yes the death penalty.

If you want to Pay Taxes on someone that Will Never get out of Prison, then so be it.

They have better medical and dental then thousands of americans, they also eat better, then most pverty homes in america. Infact I remeber when they filed a lawsuit becasue they didn't get icecream anymore...

Some families in the US military are on food stamps, but, in Prison
they get an education, Propper food, Medical and dental, and a laywer to file stupid lawsuits..

Most people against the death penalty say it cost to much,
Not if you do it within the first year, what cost so much is all the extra trials, and everything mentioned about.

Just my thoughts, I am tired of paying for someone to live better than law abiding Americans....

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Again, not saying some dont deserve to die.




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Thats more cruel and degrading than what Jails are.

have you forgotten jail is supposed to be a rehabilitation?

How can you sit there and say deny them the rights to rehab, but you are against killing them?

Prisons are supposed to clean our criminals not a place to lock them up and 'forget about them'

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An eye for an eye, toothe for a toothe.

I'm for it if there is evidence beyond doubt.

But if for some reason they do away with the death penalty I think every prisoner should have their own little stationary bicycle that generated electricity for the rest of us. And if he didn't produce enough Kilowats the floor of his cell would open up and drop him into a pit of hungry alligators.

Yah that would work i think.............

Also since 1976, 100 people have been found innocent and were released from death row--some within hours of being executed. Thus, for every six persons put to death, one person (14 percent) has been found to have been wrongfully convicted.

Yes but it costs more to kill them.

My answer above is by todays standards, of DNA testing,
and other modern technology.
I was somewhat against it before DNA testing, but not now....

Ok, there's got to be a happy medium between my thoughts and yours... :Graucho

just cut their heads off

I think the death penalty should be replaced with extreme torture at the hands of the victims family. Of course, the essential tools (dull knives, blunt objects like a baseball bat) would be readily available to the inmate should he choose to take the easy way out himself after a minumun amount of torture time.

If prisons were truly "prisons" with hard labor and what not , you would be sreaming that that in itself was cruel and unusual punishment. I do not care to pay for someone to live out there life after they have murdered "one of your family members". Think about it.............Killing sucks , but we have let society get to out of hand........desperate times require desperate measures. I do feel it is somewhat worthless as a deterant with they way it works in most states...........If a person is "with out a doubt guilty" Eye witnesses / physical evidence/ an admission of guilt........They get an appeal.............if it is not overturned.........straight from the court room to the chopping block. Prison should not be the same for a murderer as it is for a person who cheated on taxes. Wait ...my bust, they do get different colored jump suits.

Do the crime, you deserve the punishment. Simple as that.

1st degree murder, 1st degree rape, armed robbery, etc should all be death penalty offenses.

When someone makes the conscious decision to do unprovoked harm to someone they deserve to die.

But the reason they have these "extra" trials is to ensure that all procedures were followed and no civil liberties were violated during the earlier trials.

Our government is based upon a checks and balances system...this is the cost of TRYING to be fair.

I would say Capital Punishment is the best way if proved beyond any doubt that the person in question did commint the offence

and also only in cases such as rape, murder, peadophiles and all crimes which are the worst of the worst....

I would also love to see crack heads given the death penalty as its getting worse and worse and its these fuckers who eventually commit such offences such as murder or rape to get their next fix!!!

I agree with someone who said earlier in the thread that it does cost a lot of money to keep these assholes in prison so why should law abiding people be forced to pay their wages out in taxes to house these people when they are a potential victim?

But as for what funbrunette says about not allowing people to get a degree........I think this is very true in some cases but but not all......As in some cases it can make people better and change their lives, but again that would only to be to people who did not commit really really serious offences..........

As i do in every post i make which is about my opinion.....I do not intent to coz offence to anyone al of the above is just my opinion and is not correct or incorrect

Have a nice day people!!!

100% agree

exactly thanks to DNA mostly,
but the ones that DNA prove guilty with other evidence,
Save us some Money....
Give the food they would of ate to hungry children in the US.
Pay for a childs education.
Pay for a childs medical or dental.
Yes, there are questionable cases out there, but there are many that are not...
Actually I want to expand it for more inmates.
There shouldn't be a sentance of Life in Prison without the possibality of parrole.. should be Death...

You're missing the main point, which isn't that DNA evidence uncovered the not-guilty ones, it's that JURIES GOT IT WRONG MORE THAN HALF THE TIME! You seem to be assuming that the remaining ones are necessarily guilty. No, the point is that the rest of them (who may also be innocent) did not have cases that DNA evidence could affect. It's quite possible that more than half of them are innocent, too, only DNA evidence can't help them, because it wasn't used as evidence in their cases.

Ok, but what if they're mentally disturbed and "not all there" (Trying to be politically correct here...lol) ??? Some people are actually sick and can't be held responsible for their actions... What do you do with these people?

As much as I enjoy it, revenge achlompishes nothing.

capital punishment I agree is necessary, but only in certain cases. Repeat child molesters, treason, hitbotters, anyone that uses a popup and multiple homicide cases are those where I agree that the death penalty is necessary.

you send out a highly paid doctor to determine wether or not this person is fit to stand trial.....if he/she is then they get a normal trial

If not then they are locked in a mental institute and not allowed back out

But hey its real easy for us to come here and say what should happen and this should be done, bt their are shit loads of consequences to think of I suppose

no I don't support the death penalty

just because you weren't aware of the implications of your actions doesn't release you from the concequences of those actions.

I should of stated it more clearly, yes, I believe in like 1 or 2 extra, but some people, it is just a stalling method...

Its not about revenge, its about justice.


As for if someone is retarded or nuts. If someone truly dosent have the mental facalties to know what they did, then I would probably just give them life in prision/institution without parole. But, I would be very selective with deciding who is truly insane.

LOL Hitbotters

frankly, i find the argument against the cost of housing inmates or killing criminals flawed. i live in a society (in the US) where certain crimes are punishable by jailtime and some are punishable by death - both of which cost money. i'm willing to pay to have people who are dangers to society locked up and/or killed, for the betterment of society.

(i am fully aware that the above is an 'ideal' position. i know a lot of people are locked up for no good reason (posession), and i'm not a fan of that.)

It costs far less to house a person in prison for life than it does charge, try, convict and ultimately excecute a person. In the million/millions or more less. This has been the case all of my adult life. People that do not have the facts keep repeating this tired refrain.

justice is just a cover word for revenge.

not only that, but it is also about Protection,
so someone else doesn't die, get raped, so on...

It's not as simple as that...eye witness testimony is the most unreliable form of testimony there is...there are corrupt police officers and when I say corrupt they are willing to close out a case at all costs and even ignore evidence to the contrary.

Not all "admissions of guilt" are 100% reliable...there is coersion on the part of some police officers etc.

One famous case involves a young black boy in Flordia.

I don't recall the name of the documentary but it was nominated for an academy award for best documentary feature.

Anyway the police had a "confession" the young boy admitted to the crime, however he testified later in court that it was only because the officer took him into the woods and frightened him as well as toyed with his gun in the interrogation room while interviewing him.

The officer of course denied all of this...but guess what?

They found the real criminal later with the real criminals fingerprints on the purse of the lady who was murdered.

This young boy was about to spend the rest of his life in prison or be summarily executed because the police officers had a "confession."

you're right - due the the enormous extra legal checks and balances in most states with the death penality it costs more to kill someone than keeping them in jail for life. Scarry but lawyers arn't cheap and the state usually picks up the tap on both sides in most capital cases

Then show me the facts on how much it costs, I will believe you.

obviously you've a nobody who's never had to hire a lawyer for anything.

Ahem.

Not a criminal lawyer.

I have lawyers in my family Sleazy, no need to compare dicks here.

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When you're on trial for your "LIFE" you should have every "stalling method" at your disposal.

Not everyone is afforded a defense team like OJ...in most cases people are given lawyers who have never defended a capital offense in their lives...they are ill prepared etc.

The state has at it's disposal the necessary funds to prosecute you but give you limited funds to defend yourself.

This means you may not have the scientists needed to disprove or cast doubt on dna evidence against you...or hell to even bring forth dna evidence to prove your innocence.

Some of these "stalling methods" are like a case in Texas where a man convicted of murder was trying to get a new trial because his lawyer slept during some of the proceedings.

If we followed your rules he wouldn't have lived long enough to see a judge finally award him a new trial based on the fact that his lawyer slept.

We are talking about utilizing a punishment method that is irreversible...you can't just say..."whoops we pulled the switch on the wrong guy...sorry....we want a do over."

It is because we expect fallible human beings to investigate these crimes...fallible human beings to prosecute these crimes...fallible human beings to defend those that are accused of these crimes...fallible human beings to sit in judgement during the prosecution of these crimes...and ultimately fallible human beings who sit in judgement (the jury) of the person accused of these crimes that I no longer believe in capital punishment.

People make mistakes and I do not want Billy Bo Jim Bob who couldn't even complete his GED to be the guy deciding my fate.

Another case of a confession. The police convinced a somewhat slow minded 18 year old (through many hours of interrogation) that he must of killed his mother, so he agreed to sign a confession that they had prepared. Keep in mind that he was fully convinced by the police that he in fact had killed his mother. He felt terrible because he dearly loved his mother. He was tried and convicted and was sentenced to life in prison (with him believing that he belonged in prsion). Somewhere along the line the real murdererer was caught and at some point the boy, that was convinced by the police that he had killed his mother, was released from prison.

I often wonder how a lawyer can defend someone like Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy...:helpme

then go ask them about the total costs involed for a capital case and stop asking dumbassed questions on the board. duuuuuu

Come on guys! I obviously opened a can of worms here! Let's just agree to disagree! :)