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halfpint · 10-08-2008, 05:53 PM

Tubes are becoming more popular every day both on mainstream and porn sites. Users go to tubes because they are so easy to use and they get tones of free porn wether it be 1 min clips or 30 min clips. I have run a tube site for just under a year now and I am seeing money not from hosted or embeded sponsor clips, why would they want to sign up to a sponsor when they can see clips for free on my tube site anyway. My tube is not aimed at a particular niche so I have no idea just how well they convert. My traffic can be be anything from 500 uv a day up to 2000+ uv a day My overall best day was 8000uv this all depends how much I work at it. Any way this has got me thinking about what they can and cant get for free on my tube site. Out of all of the sponsors I have on my tube, dating and totemcash seem to do ok and so does ppc sponsors. Just maybe this is one way to go with a multi niche tube site. You buy a load of cheap content which you put on your tube site.

Then just upsell dating, cams and other affliates that the surfer can not get for free, but the problem is which ones are they ? All I know is that I have 3 sponsors that convert on my tube and I do ok from ppc and not one of them is a paysite as such.Tubes can generate a large amount of traffic very quickly but its useless if it does not make you money. So how are you guys with tubes really doing with your affliates. I know webmasters are gonna come into the thread and say "I make millions from mine" well I call bullshit.

I can kinda understand why the "illegal" tubes are doing what they are doing by upselling dating, cams and advertising space. At the end of the day they are gonna be the ones making the money while the "paysites" get left behind. In theory you could do excatly the same as what they do but instead of using other peoples content you could buy your own. Any other tube site owners have any other thoughts about this.

The Duck · 10-08-2008, 05:55 PM

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halfpint · 10-08-2008, 05:56 PM

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farkedup · 10-08-2008, 05:57 PM

the problem with "buying" your own content is its just too expensive... The ones that spend the money on content put it into members areas. In the future I see those under 90 second sponsor clips going away and becoming 2-3 minutes long.

Things are shifting and its time for people to focus on a niche. Your average solo girl sites are going to go down for sure but lets be honest, so many of these girls in porn aren't exactly super hot...

halfpint · 10-08-2008, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by farkedup

the problem with "buying" your own content is its just too expensive... The ones that spend the money on content put it into members areas. In the future I see those under 90 second sponsor clips going away and becoming 2-3 minutes long.

Things are shifting and its time for people to focus on a niche. Your average solo girl sites are going to go down for sure but lets be honest, so many of these girls in porn aren't exactly super hot...

I get what you are saying and I aggree about focusing on a niche. But you can buy content very cheaply if you know where to look

farkedup · 10-08-2008, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

I get what you are saying and I aggree about focusing on a niche. But you can buy content very cheaply if you know where to look

I'm just saying... you'll find it easier if you focus on a niche... Or focus on generalized weird shit...

a fetishtube or something... targeted traffic will convert better. Lets be honest here, there's shitloads of teen girl content and sites. There's no money in that unless you simply have MASSIVE traffic levels. Get a bunch of granny love stuff or fat bitches and you'll find you can make more with smaller traffic levels.

mmcfadden · 10-08-2008, 06:06 PM

check out youjizz.com and how they follow through with the sale.

Take some of my images and stick it within your tube pics and see how it does. I think youjizz has the right idea.

www.ishothisvideo.com

halfpint · 10-08-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by farkedup

I'm just saying... you'll find it easier if you focus on a niche... Or focus on generalized weird shit...

a fetishtube or something... targeted traffic will convert better. Lets be honest here, there's shitloads of teen girl content and sites. There's no money in that unless you simply have MASSIVE traffic levels. Get a bunch of granny love stuff or fat bitches and you'll find you can make more with smaller traffic levels.

yep I have noticed I am getting a hell of a lot more views on a sponsor which is mature lesbians with teen lesbians. Maybe I should focus a tube around something like that. But what I find hard is why would somebody go to a tube and watch 100 short clips which will get them off anyway. I sure wouldent go and buy a months subscription. Plus the fact that you have to keep updating the clips makes it even more less likely that they will buy a subscription and if you have crappy clips which does not show much surely surfers will just go elsewhere.

halfpint · 10-08-2008, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mmcfadden

check out youjizz.com and how they follow through with the sale.

Take some of my images and stick it within your tube pics and see how it does. I think youjizz has the right idea.

www.ishothisvideo.com

ok will try that thanks

How well does youjizz actually convert considering the amount of traffic they have ?

halfpint · 10-08-2008, 06:28 PM

I was thinking the way the big tubes do it. They give out long videos that is why they are so popular with surfers. They dont actually sell paysite subcriptions (apart from brazziers) or focus on a particular niche either. But you always see ads for dating , webcams, poker and affliates like totemcash on them, My way of thinking is that the surfers on the tube cant get dating or webcams for "free" so they have to sign up to them. That is where the big tubes are making money plus because of thier traffic they sell add space/text links for ridicules amounts. If you had more tubes doing the same thing as they are doing but using purchased content.Then just maybe they wouldent be as popular as they are because the surfer would have a much bigger choice of tubes with longer movies, Just maybe this will hapen in the future. ..I dont know

mmcfadden · 10-08-2008, 06:34 PM

If you pay for adspace and don't see the conversions... it will die. Porn tubes all need to reevaluate... traffic vs. conversions. It will happen and content providers will realize as well.

Why the fuck would you give a 20 minute clip as a promotion?? Some are stolen but I see requests "Big tube site needs 5, 10 15 minute clips... hit me up" People do to...

IllTestYourGirls · 10-08-2008, 06:35 PM

youjizz is a tube? looks like a MGP.

mmcfadden · 10-08-2008, 06:38 PM

They elude to be a tube. Even their logo looks like youtube.

They are on the right track though... show the short clip but on a paysite

PR_Sebas · 10-08-2008, 06:39 PM

Great thread halfpint. I know not many people will respond but since I have a general tube site myself, I was really interested in your thoughts.

I do agree it is very difficult to convert tube traffic. I have about the same amount of traffic as you, most of which comes from google and "porn tube" keywords. I have found SOME luck with sponsors like WEGcash who pay per free email signups. I have also found some luck with cam and dating sites.

I agree with what someone else said in this thread, you have to target a specific off the wall niche if you want a better chance at converting. The only general tube sites that convert (and they mostly convert dating and cams) are the huge 30,000 UV tube sites. I believe the only reason they convert is the sheer amount of traffic they see on a daily basis.

As for them converting paysites, I actually think they would convert. Probably not very well but I'm sure Brazzers is doing something like 2000:1 for them maybe better. Once again just because of the sheer amount of traffic.

All in all, I'm struggling to convert my tube site as well. I'm also starting to believe that unless I get a specific niche or huuuge amount of traffic I won't convert much.

Thanks for the suggestion on TotemCash. I might give them a try. Hopefully some other people with tube sites actually come in with some constructive comments, but i doubt it.

halfpint · 10-08-2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mmcfadden

If you pay for adspace and don't see the conversions... it will die. Porn tubes all need to reevaluate... traffic vs. conversions. It will happen and content providers will realize as well.

Why the fuck would you give a 20 minute clip as a promotion?? Some are stolen but I see requests "Big tube site needs 5, 10 15 minute clips... hit me up" People do to...

yep thats exactly what I mean tubes are changing the way porn is marketed and some webmasters are realising that, so I guess they are trying to compete with the big tube sites and are asking for longer and longer clips. I remember when porn tubes became popular on GFY and the norm clip size was like 1-3 min long but now its creeping up to as you say above 5,10, 15 min clips. I really think that in the future that is what the surfer will look for because they are getting so used to it now.

halfpint · 10-08-2008, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NwSebas

Great thread halfpint. I know not many people will respond but since I have a general tube site myself, I was really interested in your thoughts.

I do agree it is very difficult to convert tube traffic. I have about the same amount of traffic as you, most of which comes from google and "porn tube" keywords. I have found SOME luck with sponsors like WEGcash who pay per free email signups. I have also found some luck with cam and dating sites.

I agree with what someone else said in this thread, you have to target a specific off the wall niche if you want a better chance at converting. The only general tube sites that convert (and they mostly convert dating and cams) are the huge 30,000 UV tube sites. I believe the only reason they convert is the sheer amount of traffic they see on a daily basis.

As for them converting paysites, I actually think they would convert. Probably not very well but I'm sure Brazzers is doing something like 2000:1 for them maybe better. Once again just because of the sheer amount of traffic.

All in all, I'm struggling to convert my tube site as well. I'm also starting to believe that unless I get a specific niche or huuuge amount of traffic I won't convert much.

Thanks for the suggestion on TotemCash. I might give them a try. Hopefully some other people with tube sites actually come in with some constructive comments, but i doubt it.

Thanks for your input and it does kinda seem that people say niche or as you said above pay per free signup does ok on tube sites. I will get all the flamers in no dought

TOTEM CASH if you want to use my ref code that is

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halfpint · 10-08-2008, 07:03 PM

Im off to bed thanks for all of your comments so far. Will see were this thread goes in the morning

CrkMStanz · 10-08-2008, 07:17 PM

So........

Is this the official state of our industry?

"give it all away for free, to generate huge traffic, to direct towards 'other sites' - like dating, webcam, penis enlargement, etc...."

this is the much talked about 'adapt or die' theory?

so what happens when, to make money, everyone has only this business model to rely on? when we reach saturation, with every type of niche/fetish each represented on a dozen mega-tubes (ya, i saw the bestiality tube posted on this forum)? and of course about a million illegal/stolen-content tubes offshore?

will there be any need for any paysites after that happens? And after that will there be any need for content producers, other than a few mega-sweatshops (literally)?

ya, 'tubes won't kill porn, just like nothing before has killed it' but... you WILL kill the paysite side of it - and that takes a lot of independant producers out of it, and a lot of fresh content, not to mention innovation.

So... what happens when this prophecy comes true and everyone saturates the interwebs with a zillion dating sites in an 'adapt or die' frenzy - do you give away the porn+dating to get the traffic to go to the cams?

And then a zillion cam sites saturate, so do you give away the porn+dating+cams to sell ??what?? (maybe... hardlight holographic babes in your living room, maybe?)

pretty soon 95% of the 'paying customers' are satisfied with what they get for free, and everyone is fighting it out for the 5% leftovers, those who demand that they only watch the newest and greatest technology.

is this what we really want? You all do know that tubes are unnecessary don't ya? You all know that if all graphic content was locked up in member only areas that exactly just as many people would still go looking for porn on the internet? You do know that we would be getting a chance to convert the 95% and not fight for the 5% (torrents won't stop, but at least our customer base would be HUGE, compared to what it is now)

I just can't grasp how 'exclusive and highly profitable' got changed to 'free and worthless (other than upsell advertising value)' - and y'all think that its o.k.

ok - i can see how dating sites and cam sites think this is all good - but your day will come.

it is my opinion that you slaughter the golden goose - it is also my opinion that you just don't care.

i am boggled

PR_Sebas · 10-08-2008, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CrkMStanz

So........

Is this the official state of our industry?

"give it all away for free, to generate huge traffic, to direct towards 'other sites' - like dating, webcam, penis enlargement, etc...."

this is the much talked about 'adapt or die' theory?

so what happens when, to make money, everyone has only this business model to rely on? when we reach saturation, with every type of niche/fetish each represented on a dozen mega-tubes (ya, i saw the bestiality tube posted on this forum)? and of course about a million illegal/stolen-content tubes offshore?

will there be any need for any paysites after that happens? And after that will there be any need for content producers, other than a few mega-sweatshops (literally)?

ya, 'tubes won't kill porn, just like nothing before has killed it' but... you WILL kill the paysite side of it - and that takes a lot of independant producers out of it, and a lot of fresh content, not to mention innovation.

So... what happens when this prophecy comes true and everyone saturates the interwebs with a zillion dating sites in an 'adapt or die' frenzy - do you give away the porn+dating to get the traffic to go to the cams?

And then a zillion cam sites saturate, so do you give away the porn+dating+cams to sell ??what?? (maybe... hardlight holographic babes in your living room, maybe?)

pretty soon 95% of the 'paying customers' are satisfied with what they get for free, and everyone is fighting it out for the 5% leftovers, those who demand that they only watch the newest and greatest technology.

is this what we really want? You all do know that tubes are unnecessary don't ya? You all know that if all graphic content was locked up in member only areas that exactly just as many people would still go looking for porn on the internet? You do know that we would be getting a chance to convert the 95% and not fight for the 5% (torrents won't stop, but at least our customer base would be HUGE, compared to what it is now)

I just can't grasp how 'exclusive and highly profitable' got changed to 'free and worthless (other than upsell advertising value)' - and y'all think that its o.k.

ok - i can see how dating sites and cam sites think this is all good - but your day will come.

it is my opinion that you slaughter the golden goose - it is also my opinion that you just don't care.

i am boggled

Not sure if you're accusing us of running tube sites that give away tonnes of free content? I don't think you are but, if thats what you think you're way off base. At least in my case. None of the videos on my tube site are over 1:40 and none of them ever will be. What I believe halfpint was talking about was the future of tube sites.

I agree with how halfpint said -- tube requests are getting longer and longer first it was 30 sec - 1:30 now its 5 - 10 mins clips that some webmasters are asking for. -- THAT will help kill the industry. Not saying it's the only thing that will kill it but, it will be one of the main factors.

I just think that if ALL (and i know its impossible) but if ALL tube sites had videos that were under 2 minutes then ALL tube sites, paysites and any other porn sites would convert alot better. The thing that will hurt the industry most is the full length tube sites that give away the farm just to make sales on dating and cam sites. If one day we can get rid of those then I think online porn will be more profitable than it ever was. Even more profitable than the late 90's early 00's.

Barefootsies · 10-08-2008, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by farkedup

the problem with "buying" your own content is its just too expensive... The ones that spend the money on content put it into members areas. In the future I see those under 90 second sponsor clips going away and becoming 2-3 minutes long.

It costs money to make money.

Second point,.. the longer those clips get. The more you expect to not convert them to membership.

Programs are better off keeping clips short, and going to as VOD model.

Barefootsies · 10-08-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

Plus the fact that you have to keep updating the clips makes it even more less likely that they will buy a subscription and if you have crappy clips which does not show much surely surfers will just go elsewhere.

Here is the error in logic.

Either you wanna be in the traffic, advertising space game.

Or the converting to membership game.

Longer clips mean you are in the ad game. Shorter clips, and learning how to convert means you are in the sponsor/PPS game.

You can't, realistically, be both to the surfer.

CrkMStanz · 10-08-2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NwSebas

Not sure if you're accusing us of running tube sites that give away tonnes of free content?

if by 'us' you mean 'all of you', or 'you specifically'... no, certainly not all of you, not yet

but more and more, every day.

soon, i will mean 'all'

...soon

mmcfadden · 10-08-2008, 08:05 PM

Some good advice given to me by one of the best in this industry... "Show as little as possible and leave the rest to the imagination"

halfpint · 10-09-2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Here is the error in logic.

Either you wanna be in the traffic, advertising space game.

Or the converting to membership game.

Longer clips mean you are in the ad game. Shorter clips, and learning how to convert means you are in the sponsor/PPS game.

You can't, realistically, be both to the surfer.

Yes I agree and I guess a lot of webmasters are finding it harder and harder to sell memberships so are turning to the traffic/ad game. Its the easy option.

Jens Van Assterdam · 10-09-2008, 10:00 AM

Tube traffic converts! All the people that complain about tubes, dont have a clue about tubes. There are plenty of people pulling DECENT sales from your so called illegal tubes. The most of the illegal tubes get their clips directly from sponsors / content owners, so all that hypothetical bla bla is nothing but bullshit.
If you run a large ass tube and ask any sponsor for 15min+ clips, you will get those.
Also check out youporn and see whats happening. They send traffic to kinda every program you´ll find on GFY.

But then again you´ll see plenty of those mini-tubes with 30 secs clips and and a small amount of traffic. No wonder that it doesnt convert. Would any of you hang out on such a site? No you woudnt.. now think again..

30 second clips on a tube means you have 30secs to sell a potential customer.
Now think about 20 minute clips. You have a surfer 20 fucking minutes on your site and 20 fucking minutes time to sell him your product.

Anyway enough rant, you wont get the point anyway.
Flame away

halfpint · 10-09-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CrkMStanz

So........

Is this the official state of our industry?

"give it all away for free, to generate huge traffic, to direct towards 'other sites' - like dating, webcam, penis enlargement, etc...."

this is the much talked about 'adapt or die' theory?

so what happens when, to make money, everyone has only this business model to rely on? when we reach saturation, with every type of niche/fetish each represented on a dozen mega-tubes (ya, i saw the bestiality tube posted on this forum)? and of course about a million illegal/stolen-content tubes offshore?

will there be any need for any paysites after that happens? And after that will there be any need for content producers, other than a few mega-sweatshops (literally)?

ya, 'tubes won't kill porn, just like nothing before has killed it' but... you WILL kill the paysite side of it - and that takes a lot of independant producers out of it, and a lot of fresh content, not to mention innovation.

So... what happens when this prophecy comes true and everyone saturates the interwebs with a zillion dating sites in an 'adapt or die' frenzy - do you give away the porn+dating to get the traffic to go to the cams?

And then a zillion cam sites saturate, so do you give away the porn+dating+cams to sell ??what?? (maybe... hardlight holographic babes in your living room, maybe?)

pretty soon 95% of the 'paying customers' are satisfied with what they get for free, and everyone is fighting it out for the 5% leftovers, those who demand that they only watch the newest and greatest technology.

is this what we really want? You all do know that tubes are unnecessary don't ya? You all know that if all graphic content was locked up in member only areas that exactly just as many people would still go looking for porn on the internet? You do know that we would be getting a chance to convert the 95% and not fight for the 5% (torrents won't stop, but at least our customer base would be HUGE, compared to what it is now)

I just can't grasp how 'exclusive and highly profitable' got changed to 'free and worthless (other than upsell advertising value)' - and y'all think that its o.k.

ok - i can see how dating sites and cam sites think this is all good - but your day will come.

it is my opinion that you slaughter the golden goose - it is also my opinion that you just don't care.

i am boggled

Its sad but it is happening more and more and I dont think cams and dating or poker will ever get saturated. Look at AFF they have a large chunk of the dating market yet they are still selling memberships and making money. I also think that social porn sites will do far better in the future than membership programs. Tube site are not going to go away as I see it, they are just gonna evolve and get bigger and better. It is also not a matter of what we want its a matter of what is happening now, as for the paysite I think a lot of them will close down in the future but for the content producer they will adapt and shoot for whatever makes them money. If you take a look at the mainstream tube sites, they to do not upsell memberships they sell ad space yet they still keep going and geting bigger. Its sad but its true and until we face the fact that tubes are here to stay and are giving out more and more free content a lot of webmasters/program owners are gonna loose a lot of money or just disapear.

Barefootsies · 10-09-2008, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jens Van Assterdam

But then again you´ll see plenty of those mini-tubes with 30 secs clips and and a small amount of traffic. No wonder that it doesnt convert. Would any of you hang out on such a site? No you woudnt.. now think again..

They do convert. If you know how to cut your clips, and which to choose.

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Originally Posted by Jens Van Assterdam

30 second clips on a tube means you have 30secs to sell a potential customer.
Now think about 20 minute clips. You have a surfer 20 fucking minutes on your site and 20 fucking minutes time to sell him your product.

Complete lack of marketing on that thought. But I'm too lazy atm to type out details on it.

WarChild · 10-09-2008, 10:05 AM

I make a fucking ton selling memberships to tube site surfers. I convert them on average better than TGP traffic. So don't believe the hype about what tube surfers will and will not buy. Anyone who tells you tube surfers don't buy memberships simply doesn't know what they're talking about.

Jens is right though, 30 second clips is not the answer.

halfpint · 10-09-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jens Van Assterdam

Tube traffic converts! All the people that complain about tubes, dont have a clue about tubes. There are plenty of people pulling DECENT sales from your so called illegal tubes. The most of the illegal tubes get their clips directly from sponsors / content owners, so all that hypothetical bla bla is nothing but bullshit.
If you run a large ass tube and ask any sponsor for 15min+ clips, you will get those.
Also check out youporn and see whats happening. They send traffic to kinda every program you´ll find on GFY.

But then again you´ll see plenty of those mini-tubes with 30 secs clips and and a small amount of traffic. No wonder that it doesnt convert. Would any of you hang out on such a site? No you woudnt.. now think again..

30 second clips on a tube means you have 30secs to sell a potential customer.
Now think about 20 minute clips. You have a surfer 20 fucking minutes on your site and 20 fucking minutes time to sell him your product.

Anyway enough rant, you wont get the point anyway.
Flame away

Thanks for your post I know what you are saying A guy will watch a 30 second clip then go on to the next one or next tube site. If you can keep him on your site you have a potential customer. I guess it works somewhat like a shop. If the shop has crappy products he walks out and goes to the next shop.

Jens Van Assterdam · 10-09-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

They do convert. If you know how to cut your clips, and which to choose.

Agreed.. in your case.

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Complete lack of marketing on that thought.

I doubt it.

Barefootsies · 10-09-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jens Van Assterdam

I doubt it.

This issue, like many in adult, is not a simple answer. It is complicated by niches, and saturation, among many other things.

Typically, I agree with a lot of what you say in threads. Even a lot of what you say here. I guess my point was, it is just not a simple 30 second, or 20 minute clip offering. There can be other influencing factors.

fatfoo · 10-09-2008, 10:29 AM

advertising, right

halfpint · 10-09-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Typically, I agree with a lot of what you say in threads. Even a lot of what you say here. I guess my point was, it is just not a simple 30 second, or 20 minute clip offering. There can be other influencing factors.

Dear friend ... please do tell

brassmonkey · 10-09-2008, 11:13 AM

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xmas13 · 10-09-2008, 11:21 AM

When I finally launch a tube site, I'll let you know bro.

Rorschach · 10-09-2008, 01:00 PM

* Niche specific tube sites
* 1-5 min clips
* Every clip is presented with a HPA / mini review of the paysite with big compelling text links.
* Every movie has a clickable ad for the paysite embedded at the end of the clip.
* Cams and / or dating in the footer position
* Give the surfer a chance to click to the sponsor before you offer them more content
* Collect your own mailing list
* Have a link to a niche paysite review area or paysite discounts page in the navigation on every page

halfpint · 10-09-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rorschach

* Niche specific tube sites
* 1-5 min clips
* Every clip is presented with a HPA / mini review of the paysite with big compelling text links.
* Every movie has a clickable ad for the paysite embedded at the end of the clip.
* Cams and / or dating in the footer position
* Give the surfer a chance to click to the sponsor before you offer them more content
* Collect your own mailing list
* Have a link to a niche paysite review area or paysite discounts page in the navigation on every page

Thanks, this is what I mean by the clips on tubes are geting longer "1-5 min clips" When the dissucusions were going on awhile back it was "1-3" min clips on a "legal tube" now the norm seems to be anything from 1-20 min clips and as Jens said above " But then again you´ll see plenty of those mini-tubes with 30 secs clips and and a small amount of traffic. No wonder that it doesnt convert." And I can see his way of thinking after trying 30 second and 1- 3 min clips with a download link under the clip on my own tube . So how far is this gonna go in say 5 years from now are surfers still gonna be happy with free 1-20 min clips, as webmasters try to offer more content to compete with each other on thier tubes. The mind boggles...

Rorschach · 10-09-2008, 02:25 PM

With a five minute clip, you want it to be more "trailer style," with a few different parts of the movie included instead of five minutes of continuous action. With a shorter clip, you're selling immediate access to the rest of that particular clip for the price of the trial; with a longer clip, where the surfer might beef off but still be motivated to see more of that content or model, then that's what you're selling. If a surfer is presold and sees a longish, high quality watermarked clip that allays any concerns he might have about the quality of the content, then if he clicks to the sponsor, that click should be a high quality click.

halfpint · 10-09-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rorschach

With a five minute clip, you want it to be more "trailer style," with a few different parts of the movie included instead of five minutes of continuous action. With a shorter clip, you're selling immediate access to the rest of that particular clip for the price of the trial; with a longer clip, where the surfer might beef off but still be motivated to see more of that content or model, then that's what you're selling. If a surfer is presold and sees a longish, high quality watermarked clip that allays any concerns he might have about the quality of the content, then if he clicks to the sponsor, that click should be a high quality click.

Thanks thats some good advice there

RegUser · 10-09-2008, 03:36 PM

tube sites are here to stay and are the future of porn as well as end of porn paysites

Barefootsies · 10-09-2008, 03:40 PM

You were on a roll until this statement.

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Originally Posted by RegUser

as well as end of porn paysites

mmcfadden · 10-09-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rorschach

* Niche specific tube sites
* 1-5 min clips
* Every clip is presented with a HPA / mini review of the paysite with big compelling text links.
* Every movie has a clickable ad for the paysite embedded at the end of the clip.
* Cams and / or dating in the footer position
* Give the surfer a chance to click to the sponsor before you offer them more content
* Collect your own mailing list
* Have a link to a niche paysite review area or paysite discounts page in the navigation on every page

Some well thought out suggestions

I wouldn't put cams and/or dating in the footer... have something there and make it unique.

halfpint · 10-10-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mmcfadden

Some well thought out suggestions

I wouldn't put cams and/or dating in the footer... have something there and make it unique.

The best way for cams and dating I found is to have a button in your top nav bar

davecummings · 10-10-2008, 03:49 PM

Here are some others I own. too!

SEXTUBEAMATEURS.COM
SEXTUBEANAL.COM
SEXTUBEGAYS.COM
SEXTUBEMILF.COM
SEXTUBESHEMALES.COM
SEXTUBETEENS.COM

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Originally Posted by davecummings

I haven't got the time or expertise to develop the below tube domains, so they are available for sale (I'm seeking offers at 10% BELOW whatever price a potential buyer would want to sell the domains for if he/she already owned them). Anyone care to give me a (no bs) idea or guessitmate what the below might presently be worth?

TUBEMILF.COM

TUBALITY.COM

TUBEANALSEX.COM

TUBEHOTMILF.COM

TUBEDMILF.COM

TUBEOIDS.COM

TUBESEXDATES.COM

TUBETEENMILF.COM

TUBETRANNYS.COM

TUBETUSHY.COM

GAYUTUBE.COM

MILFYOUTUBE.COM

MOBILETUBESEX.COM

TEENUTUBES.COM

Thanks for GFY Member inputs!

10-08-2008, 05:53 PM	#1
halfpint GFY's Halfpint Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Posts: 15,223	Tubes how do you make money from them? Tubes are becoming more popular every day both on mainstream and porn sites. Users go to tubes because they are so easy to use and they get tones of free porn wether it be 1 min clips or 30 min clips. I have run a tube site for just under a year now and I am seeing money not from hosted or embeded sponsor clips, why would they want to sign up to a sponsor when they can see clips for free on my tube site anyway. My tube is not aimed at a particular niche so I have no idea just how well they convert. My traffic can be be anything from 500 uv a day up to 2000+ uv a day My overall best day was 8000uv this all depends how much I work at it. Any way this has got me thinking about what they can and cant get for free on my tube site. Out of all of the sponsors I have on my tube, dating and totemcash seem to do ok and so does ppc sponsors. Just maybe this is one way to go with a multi niche tube site. You buy a load of cheap content which you put on your tube site. Then just upsell dating, cams and other affliates that the surfer can not get for free, but the problem is which ones are they ? All I know is that I have 3 sponsors that convert on my tube and I do ok from ppc and not one of them is a paysite as such.Tubes can generate a large amount of traffic very quickly but its useless if it does not make you money. So how are you guys with tubes really doing with your affliates. I know webmasters are gonna come into the thread and say "I make millions from mine" well I call bullshit. I can kinda understand why the "illegal" tubes are doing what they are doing by upselling dating, cams and advertising space. At the end of the day they are gonna be the ones making the money while the "paysites" get left behind. In theory you could do excatly the same as what they do but instead of using other peoples content you could buy your own. Any other tube site owners have any other thoughts about this. __________________ Get FREE website listings on Cryptocoinshops.net Last edited by halfpint; 10-08-2008 at 05:56 PM..

10-08-2008, 05:55 PM	#2
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10-08-2008, 05:57 PM	#4
farkedup Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 2,490	the problem with "buying" your own content is its just too expensive... The ones that spend the money on content put it into members areas. In the future I see those under 90 second sponsor clips going away and becoming 2-3 minutes long. Things are shifting and its time for people to focus on a niche. Your average solo girl sites are going to go down for sure but lets be honest, so many of these girls in porn aren't exactly super hot... __________________ -- QUOTE ME IT MAKES ME FEEL SPECIAL --

10-08-2008, 06:28 PM	#10
halfpint GFY's Halfpint Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Posts: 15,223	I was thinking the way the big tubes do it. They give out long videos that is why they are so popular with surfers. They dont actually sell paysite subcriptions (apart from brazziers) or focus on a particular niche either. But you always see ads for dating , webcams, poker and affliates like totemcash on them, My way of thinking is that the surfers on the tube cant get dating or webcams for "free" so they have to sign up to them. That is where the big tubes are making money plus because of thier traffic they sell add space/text links for ridicules amounts. If you had more tubes doing the same thing as they are doing but using purchased content.Then just maybe they wouldent be as popular as they are because the surfer would have a much bigger choice of tubes with longer movies, Just maybe this will hapen in the future. ..I dont know __________________ Get FREE website listings on Cryptocoinshops.net Last edited by halfpint; 10-08-2008 at 06:32 PM..

10-08-2008, 06:35 PM	#12
IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	youjizz is a tube? looks like a MGP. __________________

10-08-2008, 06:06 PM	#7
mmcfadden So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: philly Posts: 5,099	check out youjizz.com and how they follow through with the sale. Take some of my images and stick it within your tube pics and see how it does. I think youjizz has the right idea. www.ishothisvideo.com

10-08-2008, 06:34 PM	#11
mmcfadden So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: philly Posts: 5,099	If you pay for adspace and don't see the conversions... it will die. Porn tubes all need to reevaluate... traffic vs. conversions. It will happen and content providers will realize as well. Why the fuck would you give a 20 minute clip as a promotion?? Some are stolen but I see requests "Big tube site needs 5, 10 15 minute clips... hit me up" People do to...

10-08-2008, 06:38 PM	#13
mmcfadden So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: philly Posts: 5,099	They elude to be a tube. Even their logo looks like youtube. They are on the right track though... show the short clip but on a paysite

10-08-2008, 06:39 PM	#14
PR_Sebas Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,825	Great thread halfpint. I know not many people will respond but since I have a general tube site myself, I was really interested in your thoughts. I do agree it is very difficult to convert tube traffic. I have about the same amount of traffic as you, most of which comes from google and "porn tube" keywords. I have found SOME luck with sponsors like WEGcash who pay per free email signups. I have also found some luck with cam and dating sites. I agree with what someone else said in this thread, you have to target a specific off the wall niche if you want a better chance at converting. The only general tube sites that convert (and they mostly convert dating and cams) are the huge 30,000 UV tube sites. I believe the only reason they convert is the sheer amount of traffic they see on a daily basis. As for them converting paysites, I actually think they would convert. Probably not very well but I'm sure Brazzers is doing something like 2000:1 for them maybe better. Once again just because of the sheer amount of traffic. All in all, I'm struggling to convert my tube site as well. I'm also starting to believe that unless I get a specific niche or huuuge amount of traffic I won't convert much. Thanks for the suggestion on TotemCash. I might give them a try. Hopefully some other people with tube sites actually come in with some constructive comments, but i doubt it. __________________

10-08-2008, 06:52 PM	#17
davecummings Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,922	I haven't got the time or expertise to develop the below tube domains, so they are available for sale (I'm seeking offers at 10% BELOW whatever price a potential buyer would want to sell the domains for if he/she already owned them). Anyone care to give me a (no bs) idea or guessitmate what the below might presently be worth? TUBEMILF.COM TUBALITY.COM TUBEANALSEX.COM TUBEHOTMILF.COM TUBEDMILF.COM TUBEOIDS.COM TUBESEXDATES.COM TUBETEENMILF.COM TUBETRANNYS.COM TUBETUSHY.COM GAYUTUBE.COM MILFYOUTUBE.COM MOBILETUBESEX.COM TEENUTUBES.COM Thanks for GFY Member inputs! __________________ Dave Cummings www.davecummings.com www.davecummings.tv San Diego Email--- [email protected] Last edited by davecummings; 10-08-2008 at 06:55 PM..

10-08-2008, 07:03 PM	#18
halfpint GFY's Halfpint Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Posts: 15,223	Im off to bed thanks for all of your comments so far. Will see were this thread goes in the morning __________________ Get FREE website listings on Cryptocoinshops.net

10-08-2008, 07:17 PM	#19
CrkMStanz Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 517	So........ Is this the official state of our industry? "give it all away for free, to generate huge traffic, to direct towards 'other sites' - like dating, webcam, penis enlargement, etc...." this is the much talked about 'adapt or die' theory? so what happens when, to make money, everyone has only this business model to rely on? when we reach saturation, with every type of niche/fetish each represented on a dozen mega-tubes (ya, i saw the bestiality tube posted on this forum)? and of course about a million illegal/stolen-content tubes offshore? will there be any need for any paysites after that happens? And after that will there be any need for content producers, other than a few mega-sweatshops (literally)? ya, 'tubes won't kill porn, just like nothing before has killed it' but... you WILL kill the paysite side of it - and that takes a lot of independant producers out of it, and a lot of fresh content, not to mention innovation. So... what happens when this prophecy comes true and everyone saturates the interwebs with a zillion dating sites in an 'adapt or die' frenzy - do you give away the porn+dating to get the traffic to go to the cams? And then a zillion cam sites saturate, so do you give away the porn+dating+cams to sell ??what?? (maybe... hardlight holographic babes in your living room, maybe?) pretty soon 95% of the 'paying customers' are satisfied with what they get for free, and everyone is fighting it out for the 5% leftovers, those who demand that they only watch the newest and greatest technology. is this what we really want? You all do know that tubes are unnecessary don't ya? You all know that if all graphic content was locked up in member only areas that exactly just as many people would still go looking for porn on the internet? You do know that we would be getting a chance to convert the 95% and not fight for the 5% (torrents won't stop, but at least our customer base would be HUGE, compared to what it is now) I just can't grasp how 'exclusive and highly profitable' got changed to 'free and worthless (other than upsell advertising value)' - and y'all think that its o.k. ok - i can see how dating sites and cam sites think this is all good - but your day will come. it is my opinion that you slaughter the golden goose - it is also my opinion that you just don't care. i am boggled __________________ believe me - without free porn, just as many people will seek porn out on the Internet, and many more will pay if there is no free alternative, its not like sex is a fad - it can be milked much like any renewable resource - long term i wasn't born with enough middle fingers - Marilyn Manson

10-08-2008, 08:05 PM	#24
mmcfadden So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: philly Posts: 5,099	Some good advice given to me by one of the best in this industry... "Show as little as possible and leave the rest to the imagination"

10-09-2008, 10:00 AM	#26
Jens Van Assterdam The Dupre Pimp Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Koh Samui Posts: 6,677	Tube traffic converts! All the people that complain about tubes, dont have a clue about tubes. There are plenty of people pulling DECENT sales from your so called illegal tubes. The most of the illegal tubes get their clips directly from sponsors / content owners, so all that hypothetical bla bla is nothing but bullshit. If you run a large ass tube and ask any sponsor for 15min+ clips, you will get those. Also check out youporn and see whats happening. They send traffic to kinda every program you´ll find on GFY. But then again you´ll see plenty of those mini-tubes with 30 secs clips and and a small amount of traffic. No wonder that it doesnt convert. Would any of you hang out on such a site? No you woudnt.. now think again.. 30 second clips on a tube means you have 30secs to sell a potential customer. Now think about 20 minute clips. You have a surfer 20 fucking minutes on your site and 20 fucking minutes time to sell him your product. Anyway enough rant, you wont get the point anyway. Flame away __________________ Read TOS for signature rules

10-09-2008, 10:05 AM	#29
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	I make a fucking ton selling memberships to tube site surfers. I convert them on average better than TGP traffic. So don't believe the hype about what tube surfers will and will not buy. Anyone who tells you tube surfers don't buy memberships simply doesn't know what they're talking about. Jens is right though, 30 second clips is not the answer. __________________ . Last edited by WarChild; 10-09-2008 at 10:06 AM..

10-09-2008, 10:29 AM	#33
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10-09-2008, 11:13 AM	#35
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10-09-2008, 11:21 AM	#36
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10-09-2008, 01:00 PM	#37
Rorschach So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,579	* Niche specific tube sites * 1-5 min clips * Every clip is presented with a HPA / mini review of the paysite with big compelling text links. * Every movie has a clickable ad for the paysite embedded at the end of the clip. * Cams and / or dating in the footer position * Give the surfer a chance to click to the sponsor before you offer them more content * Collect your own mailing list * Have a link to a niche paysite review area or paysite discounts page in the navigation on every page

10-09-2008, 02:25 PM	#39
Rorschach So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,579	With a five minute clip, you want it to be more "trailer style," with a few different parts of the movie included instead of five minutes of continuous action. With a shorter clip, you're selling immediate access to the rest of that particular clip for the price of the trial; with a longer clip, where the surfer might beef off but still be motivated to see more of that content or model, then that's what you're selling. If a surfer is presold and sees a longish, high quality watermarked clip that allays any concerns he might have about the quality of the content, then if he clicks to the sponsor, that click should be a high quality click.

10-09-2008, 03:36 PM	#41
RegUser Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	tube sites are here to stay and are the future of porn as well as end of porn paysites