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Old 08-16-2008, 01:37 PM   #101
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Old 08-16-2008, 01:38 PM   #102
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What does that mean? "greed"? I LOVE making money.
and you'll do anything to make more... that's a little more than just "making" money
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Old 08-16-2008, 01:39 PM   #103
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Nice way to fuck over a successful affiliate you fuckwad.

You're the type of prick that puts off very successful affiliates like myself from pushing programs like yours.
it sounds like the affiliate didn't mind telling him his traffic source, so who is to blame really...

If he happens to see this thread, he will learn...

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Old 08-16-2008, 01:43 PM   #104
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I love the way people jump all over threads like these to argue, and then it ends up full of juicy info because people loooove to brag.
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Old 08-16-2008, 01:53 PM   #105
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Old 08-16-2008, 02:01 PM   #106
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and you'll do anything to make more... that's a little more than just "making" money
What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't do ANYTHING. I wish I could meet half of you people so you would know the kind of person that I am. I'm really starting to wonder about some of YOU. I have already written LOOOONNNNG and boring ass replies explaining exactly what happened.

But yet you still carry on with disrespect and drama. What's the point? Yes, I do like money. No I wouldn't do "anything" to make it. I'm obviously not on the same level as a genius like you who somehow thinks that having the number one spot for your own fucking site is a crime. You know what...Fuck it. Keep on thinking the way you do. And I'll keep on working hard and loving life.

Jesus...I don't even understand where you are coming from with that comment. WHAT is a "little more than making money" WHAT? Having my own spot? Or was it "revealing" to all these geniuses that a top spot is worth money? This is just getting downright stupid.

I'm glad that you guys have given me something to do while rendering these vids to h2646today. But damn...some of your board personas sound like some of the most miserable and unhappy people in the world. I hope you're not like that in real life.
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Old 08-16-2008, 02:06 PM   #107
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I love the way people jump all over threads like these to argue, and then it ends up full of juicy info because people loooove to brag.
Speaking of bragging...nice job on your site...BWAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Old 08-16-2008, 03:21 PM   #109
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The fact that Robbie needlessly keeps bumping this thread:

a) exposes him as a bigger idiot than initially thought

b) made me realise this whole thread was just one big jip to try and increase exposure to his sites / program

I guess he believes the old adage that negative publicity is better than none.
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So just to highlight one reason why telling everyone about this type of thing is a bad idea..... and no, not all solo chicks that do hardcore make bank or even have decent SE traffic... claudia is hot right now but that will fade, it always does....

Everyone now knows that claudia marie has some decent SE traffic and that the SERPs are "soft". So anyone that can do some decent black or white hat SEO can attempt to take over the top 10 listings for a whole variety of phrases.. but what to promote..... hmmmm.. let's see.. How about the $50 PPS on incredible dollars using the claudia marie episode? or maybe just score-cash sites? doesn't bazzers PPS have an episode? haven't kept up with Nasty or BBO but maybe they do as well... or maybe some asswipe will use it to promote a page of fake videos to install fake video codecs in order to build up their botnet...

There's a lot to be said for keeping ones mouth shut about certain things.. You only need to have been burned once or twice like this to have learned the lesson.
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Old 08-16-2008, 03:37 PM   #111
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Get your own terms back. I'd do the same thing any day. Matter of fact I warn affiliates that they probably won't be keeping those sales if they try that sort of method.

They can find better ways to promote. Buying a company or girl term or organic even isn't "affiliate" promotion it's just free money.

Fuck that. Get those sales inhouse.
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an affiliate having their affiliate links on their own sites is the way affiliates are supposed to promote

an affiliate that spams their direct affiliate link all over the net is not ok and they should not be paid anything and should have their account closed
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Matter of fact I warn affiliates that they probably won't be keeping those sales if they try that sort of method.
Does that mean you will not pay them or that their listings will not last long?
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So just to highlight one reason why telling everyone about this type of thing is a bad idea..... and no, not all solo chicks that do hardcore make bank or even have decent SE traffic... claudia is hot right now but that will fade, it always does....

Everyone now knows that claudia marie has some decent SE traffic and that the SERPs are "soft". So anyone that can do some decent black or white hat SEO can attempt to take over the top 10 listings for a whole variety of phrases.. but what to promote..... hmmmm.. let's see.. How about the $50 PPS on incredible dollars using the claudia marie episode? or maybe just score-cash sites? doesn't bazzers PPS have an episode? haven't kept up with Nasty or BBO but maybe they do as well... or maybe some asswipe will use it to promote a page of fake videos to install fake video codecs in order to build up their botnet...

There's a lot to be said for keeping ones mouth shut about certain things.. You only need to have been burned once or twice like this to have learned the lesson.
Wrong Tempest. The serps were "soft" I have repeatedly said over and over that I have been working on that for the last week or so. Basically just moving my text from graphics to real text was all it took. And go ahead and promote I$ with Claudia-Marie. And no, there isn't anything on Score or Brazzers. Let me help you find it all so you can promote it if you'd like:
Claudia-Marie shot her very first 3 scenes with Naughty America in Feb. of 2007 I had her do that to prove to her what her value was and because Mark is an old friend of mine.

I opened her site at the beginning of May of 2008. The NA stuff wasn't even released yet at that point.

Her site exploded immediately. Not because she was "hot right now" but because of the people in this business who know me and promoted it when I contacted them personally, and also because she has a certain "it" factor that the big tit guys love. You can't create that, it's either there or it ain't.

Then Glenn contacted me about shooting her for Incredible Dollars. I told him that we weren't really interested because she's not a model for hire. But after a while Glenn and I became friends. We put together a deal where we shared some content, including a scene with the just returning porn legend Minka. So Claudia-Marie shot a couple of scenes for Incredible and we shared a scene with Minka.

I also shot a shared content scene with porn legend Kayla Kleevage and Claudia-Marie at Internext in Vegas in Jan. of 08

Claudia-Marie can also be found in a POV scene at my friend Sebastian Sands program that we shot in May. And yes, there were some behind the scenes biz reasons there too.

And last but not least...I shot a scene that I shared with Dirty D for his SlutWifeTraining site during the XBiz show in Vegas this summer of 08

Those are the only scenes she has shot for anyone else for. Matter of fact Erasmo at Score and I just went round and round as they are wanting to shoot her very badly, but we just don't have time to get back down to Miami with me in the middle of moving to Vegas and sponsoring at the Atlanta Forum.

Please...feel free to do all of the search engine magic that anyone reading this wants and send it to Naughty America and I$ and the rest. It won't make one bit of difference.

They still seek and find her site. Scoff if you want. I am only telling you what happens and the numbers don't lie.

I don't need to "keep my mouth shut" Perhaps that is wise for a lot of people. But what I have is a world of experience, the right connections, and a unique interactive product that I have taken huge and expensive steps over the last 2 months to make sure that it is as close to exclusive in her members area as possible.

It won't matter if they join one of my friends sites. It won't matter if "some asswipe will use it to promote a page of fake videos to install fake video codecs in order to build up their botnet" because that will only be temporary.

I have a very good grasp of what I'm doing here and you would all be shocked at the loyalty of a great solo girls members. They want to see what she's done this week. They aren't just satisfied with finding one or two old episodes here and there. These guys aren't "surfers" They are creatures of habit who know what they like and how they like it.

So no, I'm not concerned that somehow I have destroyed myself by leaking out that Claudia-Marie's site is hot. That's already very well known by just about everyone I know. And no...once again I don't think that anybody was shocked that a top spot for a hot site can payoff.

Brother, I'm not gonna learn any lessons here. Believe me, after everything I've done I've already been taught a shitload of very painful lessons in this business. And I'm a good learner. Bottom line for me is that the niche of people that want a certain thing are never satisfied with a substitution.

And where you said: "no, not all solo chicks that do hardcore make bank" I totally agree with you. 99.9% of them don't. That's why the few that do are gold.

And again, I don't mind saying these things out here in the open. I've spent most of my career in this business helping other people to make money too. There are a lot of guys on here who reached out to me when they were small and I was running Ampland.com and between Amp, Grampland.Com, and ShavedGoat.Com I had around 1.2 million uniques of REAL traffic...meaning actual surfers who came to me everyday of their own free will. So when a guy emailed me and said "Hey I'm just starting out can you help me with my paysite" I would actually personally take the time to look at it. And if my dick got hard and I liked the content and the personality of the site...yeah I pushed it.

And no, at first those sites weren't making me shit...especially compared to the big boys at that time. But you know what? I didn't care. I had plenty of room and traffic to promote everybody that I chose to.

And that shit paid off for me in spades as the years went by and the people grew their sites. And it still does and it still will. So take what I'm saying it and use it if you want. Or don't if you don't believe me. Either way I'm going to keep working my ass off and making money and taking care of my family.
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Old 08-16-2008, 05:28 PM   #115
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No problem. As I said. I don't mind helping people if they want it. It really isn't gonna effect my money or my business relationships that I don't talk about here...either way.
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Oh while I'm at it DBS.US here is another tip: Your http://www.dbs.us/ site that you have linked up to that lightspeed banner doesn't come up here.
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I never heard of her. Is she hot?
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I never heard of her. Is she hot?
For sales if you have big tit traffic...yes. For personal pleasure...if you are a guy that likes big tits and a big round ass, then yes. But that is subjective
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Damn DBS.US....I have another tip for you. Not only is that dbs.us site down that you have linked to a lightspeed banner BUT your worldvices site has all the images hotlinked from Imageshack and they are all broken images.

Wow. Why did you want any tips from me?
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I didn't point anybody to "their" site Sarah. I have no idea what you are talking about there. I merely said that the affiliate was a kick ass SEO guy and had managed to make his join link code for Claudia-Marie the number one result for a google search of her.

I'm totally at a loss as to why anybody would think I fucked anybody over by bragging on what a great job they did. Oh well, leave it to GFY

And dynastoned...please gofuckyourself.

And no Due, I can't make the show up north. We will be one of the sponsors at The Atlanta Forum in Sept. which will be the next show I attend.
You're definitly not somebody I'd look forward doing business with...
you fail to understand the basic of SEO : keep your mouth shut.
Not to myself : never promote your sites
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Jesus ... I would be pissed if a sponsor pointed out my SEO handywork to GFY even if it was in a positive way.
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You're definitly not somebody I'd look forward doing business with...
you fail to understand the basic of SEO : keep your mouth shut.
Not to myself : never promote your sites
It's a free country brother. I'll somehow get by and I'm sure you will too. Thanks for stopping by and telling me off. I'll ask around about you to make sure I haven't lost a potential business partner. I sure hope not...it's looking like there's not many people on here that have their shit together. Wait what am I saying? I already explained that I didn't tell any secrets. So you obviously don't know what you're talking about when you say "keep my mouth shut" About what? LOL! Go back to that nice webpage you have listed as your home page. I'll live without ya.
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Jesus ... I would be pissed if a sponsor pointed out my SEO handywork to GFY even if it was in a positive way.
Hey Sausage..read more carefully. I didn't point out ANYTHING that isn't out in the open. You googled my site his link came up. Once again...I didn't tell anybody anything about anybodies "Secrets" How fucking long have some of you been in this business anyway? And who are you people and what the fuck do you own or do? This is getting goddamn ridiculous. Fucking READ
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Hey Sausage..read more carefully. I didn't point out ANYTHING that isn't out in the open. You googled my site his link came up. Once again...I didn't tell anybody anything about anybodies "Secrets" How fucking long have some of you been in this business anyway? And who are you people and what the fuck do you own or do? This is getting goddamn ridiculous. Fucking READ
Avoiding your obvious anger management problem, a little free advice..

Those of us in the SEO game learnt a long time ago that you don't say a word about your listings, your keywords or how much a spot is making you. GFY is a really nasty playground and someone is just as likely to take the top few spots just to spite you and if you are lucky you might get the traffic back via them being an affiliate.

Even an affiliate link to your site can be researched and dismantled and if this guy makes a living off SEO like me then the last thing he wants is attention directed towards his methods. Best thing for you right now is to shut your mouth and hope this thread drops off the main page.
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Sausage....the best thing for you to do is read what I said more carefully. Since you are insinuating that you are an seo genius...go right ahead and be my guest. It DOES NOT matter to me. I'll say it again...surfers don't want a substitute when they search for CM. Believe me...they will find her no matter what is on a search engine. We had 1,000 full paid members before her site was even on the first two pages of google under "claudia-marie" in any form.

The affiliate in question is BRAND new. His link popped up overnight. Couldn't really determine where it came from. He gave me his site, which I have not revealed. But it wasn't anything special at all. But he was found by someone on here to be spamming a lot of blogs...not that that would help him either. Nontheless I did not try to stop him in any way.

All I did was come on here and say Hey one of my affiliates is making bank by getting a google placement for my paysite. What fucking world are you guys from that you don't promote yourselves?

Whatever the guy was doing, google didn't like it when they figured it out. So he made good money for a few days. In the meantime I finally got my text off of my graphics and jumped to the number one spot overnight. Tell me what I did wrong? You can't because I didn't.
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Avoiding your obvious anger management problem, a little free advice..

Those of us in the SEO game learnt a long time ago that you don't say a word about your listings, your keywords or how much a spot is making you. GFY is a really nasty playground and someone is just as likely to take the top few spots just to spite you and if you are lucky you might get the traffic back via them being an affiliate.

Even an affiliate link to your site can be researched and dismantled and if this guy makes a living off SEO like me then the last thing he wants is attention directed towards his methods. Best thing for you right now is to shut your mouth and hope this thread drops off the main page.

the guy was a spammer and the methods of spamming his affiliate link are methods that needs to be banned as an affiliate... he fluked out with his link in finding a vulnerable sponsor that had some problems with the way his domain was set up... the other sponsors that the guy is spamming should take notice too, this kind of affiliate does zero good for the sponsor

affiliate links are intended to be put up on affiliates own websites, not spammed on myspace or all over the net or anywhere, and an affiliate that does that should have their account closed and not get paid a dime, bottom line

if a guy had earned the top spot on google for the same keyword but for his OWN WEBSITE then that would be an accomplishment and that would deserve all the earnings he gets with no complaints from the sponsor (only praise), but this was not like that at all
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Judging from Robbies replies wallowing on the past and how great he was, he thinks he is far more important than he really is.

Personally I would be embarassed bragging about how I have been around since 1998 in this industry, and STILL trying to be a success in it.

If you were all that, and as full of knowledge, success and experience as you always brag about, you would have been retired from this shithole of an industry eons ago. ;)
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Judging from Robbies replies wallowing on the past and how great he was, he thinks he is far more important than he really is.

Personally I would be embarassed bragging about how I have been around since 1998 in this industry, and STILL trying to be a success in it.

If you were all that, and as full of knowledge, success and experience as you always brag about, you would have been retired from this shithole of an industry eons ago. ;)
Hey surfer....I LOVE this business. And I am not bragging about the past. I make more money NOW than I ever have and will make more in the future. You are giving me a good laugh though. And I've been "around" in the internet side since 1998. I've been in adult a lot longer. And I love it and never have any intention of being "retired"
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Tough call, do you can a spammers account and be accused of still benefiting from the residual traffic? There's no way you could ever get ALL of those links removed from such a wide variety of blogs.

The only way to properly close a spamming account is to not accept the traffic. Return a boilerplate "This account has been closed for spamming" message with NO links or any other monetisation.
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Tough call, do you can a spammers account and be accused of still benefiting from the residual traffic? There's no way you could ever get ALL of those links removed from such a wide variety of blogs.

The only way to properly close a spamming account is to not accept the traffic. Return a boilerplate "This account has been closed for spamming" message with NO links or any other monetisation.
why should he worry about residual traffic? the affiliate broke all reasonable industry standard tos by spamming his affiliate link, the affiliate deserves nothing, and it is likely there is no traffic anymore anyways, but even if there was there should be no problem with the sponsor getting that traffic

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Old 08-17-2008, 11:22 PM   #132
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why should he worry about residual traffic? the affiliate broke all reasonable industry standard tos by spamming his affiliate link, the affiliate deserves nothing, and it is likely there is no traffic anymore anyways, but even if there was there should be no problem with the sponsor getting that traffic
I'm not talking about the affiliate losing his $, I'm talking about Robbie making some from the efforts of the spammer. You cut off a spammer but continue to take his sales, then you're benefiting from that "method" of promotion. Note I'm not accusing him of anything, I have no idea what his stance on this is, I'm just saying that IMHO the only ethical thing to do is block any traffic to that affiliate link.
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I'm not talking about the affiliate losing his $, I'm talking about Robbie making some from the efforts of the spammer. You cut off a spammer but continue to take his sales, then you're benefiting from that "method" of promotion. Note I'm not accusing him of anything, I have no idea what his stance on this is, I'm just saying that IMHO the only ethical thing to do is block any traffic to that affiliate link.
As much as this entire thread is a train wreck, that's not a reasonable expectation.
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I'm not talking about the affiliate losing his $, I'm talking about Robbie making some from the efforts of the spammer. You cut off a spammer but continue to take his sales, then you're benefiting from that "method" of promotion. Note I'm not accusing him of anything, I have no idea what his stance on this is, I'm just saying that IMHO the only ethical thing to do is block any traffic to that affiliate link.
I guess this might come into play more if it was something like myspace spamming or the like, because in this case I really doubt there is any traffic from the links.... I didn't bother to look at the legit links he may have put out there (don't think there were very many) and he really only got traffic out of the google glitch that had his aff link on the serp for the join page, so now that the sponsor fixed some problems that traffic source for that affiliate is now gone

I think your nitpicking though worried about a sponsor getting a sale or two out of a spammer that they didn't know about at the time.... he would likely have gotten the sale anyways through a different traffic source in cases like this

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Anyone got cliffnotes? I don't have any time to read that entire long ass reply...

No wonder this guy doesn't have number one spot on the SERPs for this site... he's spending all his time replying and writing a book in the process! Good lord!
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No wonder this guy doesn't have number one spot on the SERPs for this site... he's spending all his time replying and writing a book in the process! Good lord!
he has #1 now
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Yep, #1 here. I wanted to see the affiliate's site but can't find it.
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A friend of mine somehow got to #1 position at Google for popular site with his ref code in it. He still didn't figure out how but who cares he made some very good cash while it lasted...
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