Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

I Since neither Alex or Milan like me, I might as well be the one to bite the bullet and ask for clarification rather than some other troll posting a thread later.

Brad

Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

its "fight the selective enforcement!"

lol

fight the protocol!

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

hehehe i was reading it and noticed it after the fact loll Iceeeeeee is gonnaaa enter the danger zone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


Toower this is Ghostrider ...requesting a FLYBYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Ive been very happy with PR.

Originally Posted by Ice

fight the "the"

Originally Posted by Afrin

This and the thread at the other board was some great reading. The real question now is will OC3 continue to biz with pacific rack Magg the punk scammer) now that they have been outsted as long term scammers? and/or did oc3 know this from the beginning and couldnt care as long as they are making money???........Now this is some real good drama.

Originally Posted by marketsmart

apparently you dont read so well... milan's position has been stated here and on wht..

oc3 is a great company and milan is one of the most honest people in this business...

if milan chooses to stand by chris, then that decision has been well thought out...

i am pretty dissapointed in brad for acting like he is doing everyone a favor by bringing this here...

if brad didnt also own a hosting company then i would see no harm, but thats not the case...

Originally Posted by ladida

Milan's answer (if it's Milan)

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Hello, my name is Milan (Ilan Mishan), and I am the owner and President of OC3 Networks and Pacific Rack. This will be my only post on this subject. We DO NOT engage in shady business practices and I would like to focus on the TRUTH. There have been many exaggerations and complete untruths stated which have been assumed to be facts, which need to be addressed.

Alex Ferrier IS Chris Gotzmann

When I hired Chris a year ago solely as a sales rep for Pacific Rack, he explained two things to me, what actually happened 5 years ago, and what the WHT perception of what happened was.

Before I hired Chris, I looked all through Google and Web Hosting Talk for instances of him being a scammer. I simply could not find anyone who got scammed and I made the choice to let him operate from an alias rather than try to explain the entire issues to WHT which as I can see now is fed by mob mentality.

Chris definitely made some mistakes when he was 16, but after listening to what actually happened and doing my own research, I decided to trust him and give him his second chance. We have all made mistakes in business, I for example grew too quickly in 2003 without paying attention to who my customers were and what customers a company I purchased had, and ended up hosting some spammers through a corporate acquisition. Upon learning about this, I spent the next year cleaning the base from spammers and I in no way support or host spammers.

When I hired Chris it was under very specific rules and guidelines. Chris knows his employment (as with all of my staff) is dependent on his continual adherence to our ethical guidelines. We absolutely do not condone unethical business practices, and for his entire time with me he has not shown any deviation from my guidelines.

There have been many ASSUMPTIONS and RUMORS that have been perceived as truth! We need to clear these up and prevent false information from spreading.

When Chris was 15 years old, he attempted to run his first internet venture ?racksmart?, his partner - a 30 something year old had some shady business dealings with Tina before he and Chris were involved and are completely unrelated to Chris. The company didn?t succeed and folded after just a few months.

This is where Foundry NAP started. FNAP eventually made its way to be colocated with Karl at Steadfast, and was hosted on a single rack.

FNAP?s History:
FNAP was started by Chris when he was 15/16, when he was 17 he suddenly dropped off the internet as he was hospitalized for radiation therapy and surgery related to colon cancer. During this time he was unable to pay his colo bill and manage FNAP. Karl shut off service upon non-payment, thus resulting in the end of FNAP. FNAP was nothing more than a very small kiddy host that went under.

From all the research I did, I concluded that there were no scams!

There are only a few unsubstantiated internet claims I could find of him being a ?scammer:?

1) A customer hosting Warez had his account terminated with no refund as per ToS. Just like any other host.

2) A package bought from EBAY shipped via UPS. The package was never received and as such a paypal complaint was filed and awarded in Chris?s favor. There was never a delivery confirmation or signature ? the sellers "friend" chose to spam the internet rather than file the paperwork with UPS for insurance reimbursement.

3) A host by the name of Visionary who attempted to scam Racksmart and who?s thread was jumped in by Poundhost confirming that this Visionary person had pulled the same scam on them and attempted to sully their name.

4) A single managed customer was put on the webserver for FNAP as Chris, 16 or 17 at the time, had a failing business and couldn?t afford to buy another server. THIS WAS WRONG AND UNACCEPTABLE ACTION OF A 16 YEAR OLD.

Chris DOES owe Karl a past due hosting bill accrued as his company went out of business, same as any other host. While normally these are normally thrown out while the LLC is dissolved, in the interest of doing what is right, I would personally like to work with Karl on resolving any past due balance.

Alpha Red:
Chris, needing a job and wanting to utilize his skills in the industry went to work for Alpha Red. WHT simply continued to snowball his tiny companies closure and without the ability to defend himself (he was banned from WHT) the issue just continued on from a small host going out of business with Steadfast taking over all the equipment on the rack, to the COMPLETELY false claim that he ?scammed people? stealing ?hundreds of thousands of dollars?.
Because of his inability to defend him self and the mass amount of rumors and assumptions that were perceived as facts, I assume the decision was made to use an alias. Chris was never an executive at AlphaRed and was only a sales rep.

To reiterate:

Chris HAS NEVER scammed people out of ?hundreds of thousands of dollars?. The claims you see today have grown over a period of FIVE years that have gone from a small kiddy host going out of business to a ?notorious? internet legend that now belongs on Snopes.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE; NO ONE ON THIS THREAD OTHER THAN KARL HAD ANY INVOLVEMENT OR HAD ANY DAMAGES TO THEM OR THEIR COMPANIES BY THE SHUTTING DOWN OF HIS ONE RACK. THE MAJORITY OF THE POSTERS IN THIS THREAD ARE SIMPLY LOOKING FOR A BIT OF FUN AND DRAMA AS MOST HAVE ADMITTED.

Chris is simply a sales rep for Pacific Rack, and has provided fantastic service to all the customers he has worked with. He has been stand up, and an asset to our company. He is NOT going to be let go, and he will continue to be one of the sales reps here. We have 2 other sales reps (Jordan and Adam), that work with Pacific Rack clients that you can speak with if you?d rather.

I am willing to back Chris fully, and will cover any past due bill that he has with Karl/Steadfast in order to ensure a fair resolution.

In Conclusion:
Look though webhosting talk, look at our reviews, we provide fantastic service to our customers and everyone has been very happy. We have absolutely nothing to hide and the only reason it was chosen to use the name Alex was to avoid the completely untrue allegations by this community and the stigma that follows him from self-admitted drama seekers.
Not only has Chris been attacked in this thread, but you have also attacked a bystander (Kate) and made some borderline sexually harassing statements regarding her transition from Kevin to Kate. This in itself is disturbing to me and you should be ashamed.

Chris did break the rules of WHT by having another account. Because of this, we fully respect WHT?s choice to disable his account.


Ilan Mishan
President
OC3 Networks and Web Solutions, LLC
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Originally Posted by Afrin

Obviously you cannot read or comprehend. Milan said he doesnt run oc3 anylonger so he is basically side stepping the whole issue. Also Brad did a valuable service by spreading the word about a well known scammer, thief and liar. So go crawl under a rock you moron...

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Milan did you do game server hosting? Was Ilan yours? If so we probably talked long ago and I didn't realize it was you. I used to run game server hosting too, just a small 15 server setup, and had a clan that competed in your leagues if that is you.

Originally Posted by Afrin

Obviously you cannot read or comprehend. Milan said he doesnt run oc3 anylonger so he is basically side stepping the whole issue. Also Brad did a valuable service by spreading the word about a well known scammer, thief and liar. So go crawl under a rock you moron...

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Milan did you do game server hosting? Was Ilan yours? If so we probably talked long ago and I didn't realize it was you. I used to run game server hosting too, just a small 15 server setup, and had a clan that competed in your leagues if that is you.

Originally Posted by marketsmart

read post 60 of this thread for a repost of what ilan posted at wht...

why do you feel the need to name call?

is that the best you can do when you get called out for jumping on the bandwagon before you check the facts for yourself?

Originally Posted by milan

Sorry man not me...

Originally Posted by sharphead

Are board moderators really that worried about some other board taking away their users? Sounds alot like a controlling parent to me...

Fight the dictatorship!

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Milan hope you are well...not sure if you are back yet...but if so...ill be in miami

keep your chin up bro

Originally Posted by milan

Y man I just got back a couple of days ago on Saturday, damn long time to be away ...

Not going to be there as I still mourns my father passing (so no party for me)

Originally Posted by milan

Y man I just got back a couple of days ago on Saturday, damn long time to be away ...

Not going to be there as I still mourns my father passing (so no party for me)

Originally Posted by Ice

Sorry to hear about your father man

my condolences

Originally Posted by ladida

Milan's answer (if it's Milan)

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I am willing to back Chris fully, and will cover any past due bill that he has with Karl/Steadfast in order to ensure a fair resolution.
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Originally Posted by Ycaza

damn dude, sorry to hear about your dad. my prayers are with you.

Originally Posted by milan

prove that you were owed money you will be taken care of as I wrote on the other forum.

Originally Posted by Pornopat

I would have to ask my bank for a bank statement from many years ago. I will do this though if you tell me that you are serious.

Do a little search on gfy and you will be able to find the story. You did so some background research before hiring him right?

Originally Posted by milan

I don't like you?? Why not and how did you get to this conclusion, I was under the impression we actually get along very well and had some interesting conversation both on the phone and over ICQ.

I respect you and respect your biz so please don't change that.

Originally Posted by milan

I'm very serious, I stand behind what I say.

You will need to really prove it and not just say things, I will be serious if you will.

Originally Posted by Pornopat

Lets up this a bit. I just reread the thread from 4 years ago. I got really really angry with the way he almost destroyed my then fragile business. REALLY ANGRY
Here is the thread from back then. I would like you to read it.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=343684

You come across as an honest guy. Maybe you have developed some fatherly feelings for him. I dont know. I did not know that Chris was not an adult and that does change things a bit. People can change and yes....people should get a second chance.

It has been 4 years ago and I made a countrymove and I changed banks since then.

How about you ask Chris first if he made "an error" back then and did receive my 1500$ (not 2000$) back then and lied about it and kept it. If he is all grown up now and he is a changed person I will accept his apology and you can send me back the money. I will drop it after that accepting he has changed.

If he denies and I go all the way to prove that he did con me I think you should do more then repay me. I think that would mean he did not change and I think you should fire him then.

Fair enough?

I am going out for a walk. I still get sick when I hear this guys name.

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

If the guy is completely innocent, why allow him to use an alias? That in and of itself is deceptive. I wasn't burned by him, but know of two people who were. No matter how you try and spin it, this guy ripped off a ton of people. I would personally lose any trust in a company that does business with a guy like that, especially one that allows him to hide under an alias.

Originally Posted by milan

I own part of the Pacific Rack venture as well as Alex, so liar he is not.

Originally Posted by milan

Chris is simply a sales rep for Pacific Rack, and has provided fantastic service to all the customers he has worked with. He has been stand up, and an asset to our company. He is NOT going to be let go, and he will continue to be one of the sales reps here. We have 2 other sales reps (Jordan and Adam), that work with Pacific Rack clients that you can speak with if you’d rather.

Originally Posted by rowan

Firstly I should state that I'm a PR customer.

I'm in two minds about this. I can sort of understand wanting to put past mistakes to rest, which is nearly impossible when you're on the net. I can find messages archived from 1991 with my name on them... but then again messages from that time are just embarassing due to my immaturity, not incriminating.

At the same time, I do have to say that allowing a new employee to invent another name and use it as if they were a real person is a little worrying...

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I'm confused about who owns Pacific Rack. First you get this post made about 8 months ago on GFY.



Then all of a sudden he's just some sales rep for the company.



I don't know, I understand a lot of people are happy with your services, but it's hard to deny you guys are real shady about the things you've said on not only this board, but others.

Originally Posted by MoreMagic

Things have changed in those months maybe ;)

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Well it should be clarified. Big difference in having a well documented scammer owning a company as opposed to just being a sales rep.

Reminds me of Ben Affleck in Boiler Room, "Act as if".

Originally Posted by ladida

Milan's answer (if it's Milan)

FNAP?s History:
FNAP was started by Chris when he was 15/16, when he was 17 he suddenly dropped off the internet as he was hospitalized for radiation therapy and surgery related to colon cancer. During this time he was unable to pay his colo bill and manage FNAP. Karl shut off service upon non-payment, thus resulting in the end of FNAP. FNAP was nothing more than a very small kiddy host that went under.
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Originally Posted by MoreMagic

Where is your "well documented scammer" ?? Did'nt read anything like that. maybe not very smart, but scammer. Nono

Originally Posted by rowan

At the same time, I do have to say that allowing a new employee to invent another name and use it as if they were a real person is a little worrying...