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boneless · 08-05-2008, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Pornopat

Maggot I still remember you and you still owe me 2k.
If we ever meet I will take it from you. And it wont be in a friendly way.

isnt that the same guy that pulled the plug on my alphared server and then conveniently lost my data in the process, if so you may take his kneecaps out for me, and might as well cave his head in too, costed me a lot of hard work to get all that restored...

Pornopat · 08-05-2008, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by milan

I promise you I will investigate this tomorrow as I must get some shut eye (trying to shake the time difference).

my ICQ is in the sig hit me up tomorrow or email me.

email sent.

boneless · 08-05-2008, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Run searches on Chris Gotzmann, Michael Sanduval, racksmart, e7web. I can't link to other forums here.

so i can safely asume that chris and michael were the same person?

raven1083 · 08-05-2008, 06:44 AM

heres my friendly answer - BUMP!

Pornopat · 08-05-2008, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by boneless

so i can safely asume that chris and michael were the same person?

On the other board it is said that sanduval was one of his alliances.

Wiredoctor · 08-05-2008, 08:25 AM

WOW this and the other board made for some great reading. The bottom line is anyone doing biz with pacific rack or oc3 are doing biz with very shady people. I don't want to hear all that milan is a great guy crap when in reality he is taking part in this sharade to try to decieve everyone he does biz with. There are MANY other stand up and reputable hosts out there so why would anyone do biz with these con artists is beyond me,

MoreMagic · 08-05-2008, 10:36 AM

I know shit about every host that advertise here. Nobody is perfect , don't pretend to be.

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Originally Posted by Wiredoctor

WOW this and the other board made for some great reading. The bottom line is anyone doing biz with pacific rack or oc3 are doing biz with very shady people. I don't want to hear all that milan is a great guy crap when in reality he is taking part in this sharade to try to decieve everyone he does biz with. There are MANY other stand up and reputable hosts out there so why would anyone do biz with these con artists is beyond me,

Wiredoctor · 08-05-2008, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MoreMagic

I know shit about every host that advertise here. Nobody is perfect , don't pretend to be.

Nobody ever said all the other hosts are perfect, but why do biz with a few that are proven to be scammersa and deceptive to the webmaster community?....

Kudles · 08-05-2008, 11:00 AM

Thats got to hurt a little.

rowan · 08-05-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

i'm sure you realize that Halcyon of Flashcash first name isn't "Hal".

From pornstars to sales reps, etc, in this industry people do use psuedo names. When you sign on the dotted line on a contract/agreement is where the real name come out.

I think it's a bit of a stretch to compare this situation with Halcyon, unless he's also trying to escape a shady past.

I'm not even sure why you brought him into this.

MoreMagic · 08-05-2008, 11:46 AM

Fuc. you are going to judge a great company, that has a great service for the right price on the shit that a 16 year old boy did years ago. Why is it that every time the dead penalty is given here. Fucking hypocrites

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Originally Posted by Wiredoctor

Nobody ever said all the other hosts are perfect, but why do biz with a few that are proven to be scammersa and deceptive to the webmaster community?....

RogerV · 08-05-2008, 11:48 AM

Bump for Brad

MoreMagic · 08-05-2008, 12:06 PM

Does the word "Judas" say anything to you?

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Originally Posted by RogerV

Bump for Brad

TDF · 08-05-2008, 12:13 PM

only in this biz can people return from the dead with a new alias

Brad Mitchell · 08-05-2008, 01:04 PM

Milan clarifying the situation and making good on any past debts or ill will is as much as can be done. It is, most likely, more of an effort than anybody else would make in the same situation and I respect him for standing by his employee and commitment to service.

Chris has clearly made mistakes in the past, no doubt all of us have. Although misguided, he was clearly a brilliant kid and I can only assume now that he is much older (and since Milan vouches for him completely) that he is still very skilled, having learned from some difficult experiences. I've felt that adversity and humility can build tremendous character.

Milan, I am very sorry to hear about the passing of your father, I cannot imagine the heartache of losing a parent and my prayers are with your family.

I have always been the first to suggest to people if they are satisfied with their hosting service that change for the sake of changing is never a good idea. Everyone needs to do what is best for their own business. Me personally, I pushed back on the inquiries I received suggesting that people give an opportunity to learn the facts. I will never knowingly be a part of clients making any rash decision about changing hosts.

Sincerely,

Brad

MoreMagic · 08-05-2008, 01:15 PM

Exactly, finally some common sense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

Milan clarifying the situation and making good on any past debts or ill will is as much as can be done. It is, most likely, more of an effort than anybody else would make in the same situation and I respect him for standing by his employee and commitment to service.

Chris has clearly made mistakes in the past, no doubt all of us have. Although misguided, he was clearly a brilliant kid and I can only assume now that he is much older (and since Milan vouches for him completely) that he is still very skilled, having learned from some difficult experiences. I've felt that adversity and humility can build tremendous character.

Milan, I am very sorry to hear about the passing of your father, I cannot imagine the heartache of losing a parent and my prayers are with your family.

I have always been the first to suggest to people if they are satisfied with their hosting service that change for the sake of changing is never a good idea. Everyone needs to do what is best for their own business. Me personally, I pushed back on the inquiries I received suggesting that people give an opportunity to learn the facts. I will never knowingly be a part of clients making any rash decision about changing hosts.

Sincerely,

Brad

Babaganoosh · 08-05-2008, 01:15 PM

Why keep anyone around who needs an alias to do business? That leads me to believe he feels like he has something to hide/hide from. He's not a pornstar. If he wanted to use an alias that was obviously an alias, that's one thing. To take on a pseudonym and conduct business as if that person were real is inexcusable. That seems like intentional deception to me.

Jman · 08-05-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ladida

Milan's answer (if it's Milan)

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Hello, my name is Milan (Ilan Mishan), and I am the owner and President of OC3 Networks and Pacific Rack. This will be my only post on this subject. We DO NOT engage in shady business practices and I would like to focus on the TRUTH. There have been many exaggerations and complete untruths stated which have been assumed to be facts, which need to be addressed.

Alex Ferrier IS Chris Gotzmann

When I hired Chris a year ago solely as a sales rep for Pacific Rack, he explained two things to me, what actually happened 5 years ago, and what the WHT perception of what happened was.

Before I hired Chris, I looked all through Google and Web Hosting Talk for instances of him being a scammer. I simply could not find anyone who got scammed and I made the choice to let him operate from an alias rather than try to explain the entire issues to WHT which as I can see now is fed by mob mentality.

Chris definitely made some mistakes when he was 16, but after listening to what actually happened and doing my own research, I decided to trust him and give him his second chance. We have all made mistakes in business, I for example grew too quickly in 2003 without paying attention to who my customers were and what customers a company I purchased had, and ended up hosting some spammers through a corporate acquisition. Upon learning about this, I spent the next year cleaning the base from spammers and I in no way support or host spammers.

When I hired Chris it was under very specific rules and guidelines. Chris knows his employment (as with all of my staff) is dependent on his continual adherence to our ethical guidelines. We absolutely do not condone unethical business practices, and for his entire time with me he has not shown any deviation from my guidelines.

There have been many ASSUMPTIONS and RUMORS that have been perceived as truth! We need to clear these up and prevent false information from spreading.

When Chris was 15 years old, he attempted to run his first internet venture ?racksmart?, his partner - a 30 something year old had some shady business dealings with Tina before he and Chris were involved and are completely unrelated to Chris. The company didn?t succeed and folded after just a few months.

This is where Foundry NAP started. FNAP eventually made its way to be colocated with Karl at Steadfast, and was hosted on a single rack.

FNAP?s History:
FNAP was started by Chris when he was 15/16, when he was 17 he suddenly dropped off the internet as he was hospitalized for radiation therapy and surgery related to colon cancer. During this time he was unable to pay his colo bill and manage FNAP. Karl shut off service upon non-payment, thus resulting in the end of FNAP. FNAP was nothing more than a very small kiddy host that went under.

From all the research I did, I concluded that there were no scams!

There are only a few unsubstantiated internet claims I could find of him being a ?scammer:?

1) A customer hosting Warez had his account terminated with no refund as per ToS. Just like any other host.

2) A package bought from EBAY shipped via UPS. The package was never received and as such a paypal complaint was filed and awarded in Chris?s favor. There was never a delivery confirmation or signature ? the sellers "friend" chose to spam the internet rather than file the paperwork with UPS for insurance reimbursement.

3) A host by the name of Visionary who attempted to scam Racksmart and who?s thread was jumped in by Poundhost confirming that this Visionary person had pulled the same scam on them and attempted to sully their name.

4) A single managed customer was put on the webserver for FNAP as Chris, 16 or 17 at the time, had a failing business and couldn?t afford to buy another server. THIS WAS WRONG AND UNACCEPTABLE ACTION OF A 16 YEAR OLD.

Chris DOES owe Karl a past due hosting bill accrued as his company went out of business, same as any other host. While normally these are normally thrown out while the LLC is dissolved, in the interest of doing what is right, I would personally like to work with Karl on resolving any past due balance.

Alpha Red:
Chris, needing a job and wanting to utilize his skills in the industry went to work for Alpha Red. WHT simply continued to snowball his tiny companies closure and without the ability to defend himself (he was banned from WHT) the issue just continued on from a small host going out of business with Steadfast taking over all the equipment on the rack, to the COMPLETELY false claim that he ?scammed people? stealing ?hundreds of thousands of dollars?.
Because of his inability to defend him self and the mass amount of rumors and assumptions that were perceived as facts, I assume the decision was made to use an alias. Chris was never an executive at AlphaRed and was only a sales rep.

To reiterate:

Chris HAS NEVER scammed people out of ?hundreds of thousands of dollars?. The claims you see today have grown over a period of FIVE years that have gone from a small kiddy host going out of business to a ?notorious? internet legend that now belongs on Snopes.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE; NO ONE ON THIS THREAD OTHER THAN KARL HAD ANY INVOLVEMENT OR HAD ANY DAMAGES TO THEM OR THEIR COMPANIES BY THE SHUTTING DOWN OF HIS ONE RACK. THE MAJORITY OF THE POSTERS IN THIS THREAD ARE SIMPLY LOOKING FOR A BIT OF FUN AND DRAMA AS MOST HAVE ADMITTED.

Chris is simply a sales rep for Pacific Rack, and has provided fantastic service to all the customers he has worked with. He has been stand up, and an asset to our company. He is NOT going to be let go, and he will continue to be one of the sales reps here. We have 2 other sales reps (Jordan and Adam), that work with Pacific Rack clients that you can speak with if you?d rather.

I am willing to back Chris fully, and will cover any past due bill that he has with Karl/Steadfast in order to ensure a fair resolution.

In Conclusion:
Look though webhosting talk, look at our reviews, we provide fantastic service to our customers and everyone has been very happy. We have absolutely nothing to hide and the only reason it was chosen to use the name Alex was to avoid the completely untrue allegations by this community and the stigma that follows him from self-admitted drama seekers.
Not only has Chris been attacked in this thread, but you have also attacked a bystander (Kate) and made some borderline sexually harassing statements regarding her transition from Kevin to Kate. This in itself is disturbing to me and you should be ashamed.

Chris did break the rules of WHT by having another account. Because of this, we fully respect WHT?s choice to disable his account.

Ilan Mishan
President
OC3 Networks and Web Solutions, LLC
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Didn't read threw all of it but just letting someone operate under an alias is shady to me

You lost me right there

riddler · 08-05-2008, 06:19 PM

bump for shady dealings

webair · 08-05-2008, 06:46 PM

I have to side with brad on this one...Too many people had contacted us (WEBAIR.COM) in the past after FN screwed them out of thousands and thousands of dollars. Not to mention the downtime they incurred switching over to us. Above all, the part that effected me the most was that Chris or mutt, whatever the hell his real name may be came to this board and defended his actions when he was clearly being a shyster.

Usually, I try to stay away from these type of threads, as they rarely serve no purpose other than to create drama. In this case i think its warranted, and i think people need to know what type of people they are doing business with.

milan · 08-05-2008, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

Milan clarifying the situation and making good on any past debts or ill will is as much as can be done. It is, most likely, more of an effort than anybody else would make in the same situation and I respect him for standing by his employee and commitment to service.

Chris has clearly made mistakes in the past, no doubt all of us have. Although misguided, he was clearly a brilliant kid and I can only assume now that he is much older (and since Milan vouches for him completely) that he is still very skilled, having learned from some difficult experiences. I've felt that adversity and humility can build tremendous character.

Milan, I am very sorry to hear about the passing of your father, I cannot imagine the heartache of losing a parent and my prayers are with your family.

I have always been the first to suggest to people if they are satisfied with their hosting service that change for the sake of changing is never a good idea. Everyone needs to do what is best for their own business. Me personally, I pushed back on the inquiries I received suggesting that people give an opportunity to learn the facts. I will never knowingly be a part of clients making any rash decision about changing hosts.

Sincerely,

Brad

Brad,

first thank you for the condolences, I just returned and still trying to catch up on work here.

Also I agree with you, I see Chris as a brilliant and smart *GUY* (not a kid anymore).
When he started it took some "smacking around" to get him to be humble, I personally feel like everyone needs guidance in their life especially with so much he went threw in his short life.

I'm not a religious guy but a more of a spiritual one, I looked at the FACTS that I've found and I truly believe I did right thing.... again this is my opinion and I guess I will pay on this if I'm wrong.

now bring on the haters

Pornopat · 08-05-2008, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by webair

I have to side with brad on this one...Too many people had contacted us (WEBAIR.COM) in the past after FN screwed them out of thousands and thousands of dollars. Not to mention the downtime they incurred switching over to us. Above all, the part that effected me the most was that Chris or mutt, whatever the hell his real name may be came to this board and defended his actions when he was clearly being a shyster.

Usually, I try to stay away from these type of threads, as they rarely serve no purpose other than to create drama. In this case i think its warranted, and i think people need to know what type of people they are doing business with.

You saved my ass back then.
Thanks again.

webair · 08-05-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornopat

You saved my ass back then.
Thanks again.

That's what we do best bro...

Thanks for the compliment...

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Juicy D. Links · 08-05-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornopat

You saved my ass back then.
Thanks again.

MIke has saved my ass a few times as well

MoreMagic · 08-05-2008, 10:17 PM

Lucky enough many have be saved from webair before.

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Originally Posted by Pornopat

You saved my ass back then.
Thanks again.

clickyoucutie · 08-05-2008, 10:28 PM

I think people deserve second chances in life. This is important, because we all go through hard times. Milan's response was mature and honest and we can't fault the guy for standing up for someone who he feels has changed for the better. Maybe this guy has changed? It DOES happen you know

Boss Traffic Jim · 08-06-2008, 08:03 AM

Some of you people are gullible Idiots. These scumbage didn't make a mistake in their past and are now trying to make good on their crimes, they simply just got caught and are trying to spin it all. They are currently continuing to deceive the entire hosting community and if they were not outsted would be continuing their deceptive actions. Don't be fools here and buy word 1 of what they are trying to shovel down your throats. Open your eyes and see whets happening..

BradM · 08-06-2008, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Afrin

Some of you people are gullible Idiots. These scumbage didn't make a mistake in their past and are now trying to make good on their crimes, they simply just got caught and are trying to spin it all. They are currently continuing to deceive the entire hosting community and if they were not outsted would be continuing their deceptive actions. Don't be fools here and buy word 1 of what they are trying to shovel down your throats. Open your eyes and see whets happening..

Agreed. Fight the bro train.

tranza · 08-06-2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

http://www.GigoloForums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2

Lol, fuck you got me.

webair · 08-06-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

MIke has saved my ass a few times as well

will you be in fla?

milan · 08-06-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Afrin

Some of you people are gullible Idiots. These scumbage didn't make a mistake in their past and are now trying to make good on their crimes, they simply just got caught and are trying to spin it all. They are currently continuing to deceive the entire hosting community and if they were not outsted would be continuing their deceptive actions. Don't be fools here and buy word 1 of what they are trying to shovel down your throats. Open your eyes and see whets happening..

Afrin,

in the 1 year that Chris is with us, is there ANY and I mean ANY issue?? more than that go back to 1999 when I started the biz is there ANY issues of us deceiving anyone? you can say you don't like the service OR you had down time and come here to bitch and cry (not that you are a client) but at the end who ever I dealt and OC3 Networks dealt with can NEVER say we cheat.

you may like us or not that's your issue.

Anyway I'm done with this whole drama I have better things to do.

milan · 08-06-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Agreed. Fight the bro train.

BradM you are SO wrong I'm far from being in the "Bro Train" circle...

Boss Traffic Jim · 08-06-2008, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milan

Afrin,

in the 1 year that Chris is with us, is there ANY and I mean ANY issue?? more than that go back to 1999 when I started the biz is there ANY issues of us deceiving anyone? you can say you don't like the service OR you had down time and come here to bitch and cry (not that you are a client) but at the end who ever I dealt and OC3 Networks dealt with can NEVER say we cheat.

you may like us or not that's your issue.

Anyway I'm done with this whole drama I have better things to do.

YES, the issue is Honesty with the entire hosting community. Until you were outsted you willingly went along with the deceptive charades by hiding the identity and background of a known hosting thief and you did all of this for your own money and greed, nothing more and nothing less. If you had not gotten caught you would be continuing the charade and laughing all the way to the bank at the hosting communities expense. To me this is all a bunch of fraud and oc3 and pacific rack are a bunch of dirt bags plain and simple.

boneless · 08-07-2008, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by webair

I have to side with brad on this one...Too many people had contacted us (WEBAIR.COM) in the past after FN screwed them out of thousands and thousands of dollars. Not to mention the downtime they incurred switching over to us. Above all, the part that effected me the most was that Chris or mutt, whatever the hell his real name may be came to this board and defended his actions when he was clearly being a shyster.

Usually, I try to stay away from these type of threads, as they rarely serve no purpose other than to create drama. In this case i think its warranted, and i think people need to know what type of people they are doing business with.

same answer as pornopat applies here, you guys saved my ass when this shit with michael sanduval went down, costed me some sweet time and money to get it all fixed up again...

props to webair for this one.

MoreMagic · 08-07-2008, 01:40 AM

As I did say before, many people saved FROM webair before ;)

Nobody is perfect

d-null · 08-07-2008, 01:49 AM

nothing but outstanding service from Pacific Rack and Alex/Chris

the teenage years are a learning experience to say the least, even the adult ones are

Mutt · 08-07-2008, 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webair

Above all, the part that effected me the most was that Chris or mutt, whatever the hell his real name may be came to this board and defended his actions when he was clearly being a shyster.

Babaganoosh · 12-01-2008, 05:26 PM

So can anyone confirm that TidalWave is Chris Gotzmann aka. Alex Ferrier

imabro · 12-01-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

So can anyone confirm that TidalWave is Chris Gotzmann aka. Alex Ferrier

they never denied

candyflip · 12-01-2008, 06:05 PM

I'm still waiting to see an actual customer with a complaint.

Ethersync · 12-15-2008, 08:59 PM

Yeah, I haven't seen an actual customer complaint about Pacific Rack either. Anyone got one?

OMDC · 12-16-2008, 12:23 AM

I met him in person at OC3's building when I stopped in to say hello to Milan.
He approached me and said "remember me" and I was shocked that it was him.
He explained the story to me in person, face to face and I felt he was being genuine.
Let the kid grow up and live his life.... nuff said.

Chris Jester
SplitInfinity orignal founder.
(now with OMDC)

KillerK · 12-16-2008, 12:42 AM

no problems for me with oc3...

Though I wouldn't deal with this fucker. It's like Fletch forgiving Candyshit...

SpeakEasy · 12-16-2008, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OMDC

I met him in person at OC3's building when I stopped in to say hello to Milan.
He approached me and said "remember me" and I was shocked that it was him.
He explained the story to me in person, face to face and I felt he was being genuine.
Let the kid grow up and live his life.... nuff said.

Chris Jester
SplitInfinity orignal founder.
(now with OMDC)

Coming from someone who is on their 3rd or 4th name for their hosting company that really means a lot...

gooddomains · 12-16-2008, 07:40 AM

interesting reading

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Wiredoctor Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Great USA Posts: 1,632	WOW this and the other board made for some great reading. The bottom line is anyone doing biz with pacific rack or oc3 are doing biz with very shady people. I don't want to hear all that milan is a great guy crap when in reality he is taking part in this sharade to try to decieve everyone he does biz with. There are MANY other stand up and reputable hosts out there so why would anyone do biz with these con artists is beyond me,

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webair Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: NYC, NY Posts: 8,531	I have to side with brad on this one...Too many people had contacted us (WEBAIR.COM) in the past after FN screwed them out of thousands and thousands of dollars. Not to mention the downtime they incurred switching over to us. Above all, the part that effected me the most was that Chris or mutt, whatever the hell his real name may be came to this board and defended his actions when he was clearly being a shyster. Usually, I try to stay away from these type of threads, as they rarely serve no purpose other than to create drama. In this case i think its warranted, and i think people need to know what type of people they are doing business with. __________________ ~ Webair Dedicated Cloud Servers™ ~ WEBAIR VSYS™ Virtual Hosting Platform ~ Superior CDN Network ~ ~ Managed Dedicated hosting Specialists ~ DISCOUNT DOMAIN NAMES! ~ WEBAIR FUSION IO MANAGED CLOUD SERVERS! ~ *ICQ:* 243116321 - *TWITTER* - @WEBAIRINC - E-Mail: [email protected]

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08-07-2008, 01:49 AM	#136
d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	nothing but outstanding service from Pacific Rack and Alex/Chris the teenage years are a learning experience to say the least, even the adult ones are __________________ __________________ Looking for a custom TUBE SCRIPT that supports massive traffic, load balancing, billing support, and h264 encoding? Hit up Konrad! Looking for designs for your websites or custom tubesite design? Hit up Zuzana Designs Check out the #1 WordPress SEO Plugin: CyberSEO Suite

12-01-2008, 05:26 PM	#138
Babaganoosh ♥♥♥ Likes Hugs ♥♥♥ Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: /home Posts: 15,841	So can anyone confirm that TidalWave is Chris Gotzmann aka. Alex Ferrier __________________ I like pie.

12-01-2008, 06:05 PM	#140
candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,069	I'm still waiting to see an actual customer with a complaint. __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me

12-15-2008, 08:59 PM	#141
Ethersync Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: London, Saint-Tropez, Bermuda, Moscow Posts: 5,289	Yeah, I haven't seen an actual customer complaint about Pacific Rack either. Anyone got one?

12-16-2008, 12:23 AM	#142
OMDC Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Tijuana Posts: 56	I met him in person at OC3's building when I stopped in to say hello to Milan. He approached me and said "remember me" and I was shocked that it was him. He explained the story to me in person, face to face and I felt he was being genuine. Let the kid grow up and live his life.... nuff said. Chris Jester SplitInfinity orignal founder. (now with OMDC)

12-16-2008, 12:42 AM	#143
KillerK Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,406	no problems for me with oc3... Though I wouldn't deal with this fucker. It's like Fletch forgiving Candyshit...

12-16-2008, 07:40 AM	#145
gooddomains Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 10,127	interesting reading