My Thoughts About The Max Case.

[davecummings]

My column for this month:


FROM THE TRENCHES
BY: Dave Cummings ? Porn Star/Director-Producer

For the last 5-6 years, I?ve worried about free speech in Houston and elsewhere because of the way some politicians have proposed/erected roadblocks in the form of intrusive legislation against adult entertainment. It has certainly seemed one-sided, hypocritical, and out-of-touch with serving the public.

Because of a recent so-called ?jury? decision, I?m now also concerned about the city of Tampa where it seems that some jurists reportedly felt pressured by other members of the jury during recent deliberations incident to government charges against Max Hardcore concerning obscenity and shipments of his adult videos productions. Now, I admittedly don?t personally get sexual pleasure out of the Max Hardcore videos, but, like all Americans, he?s entitled to free speech. Max has many fans of his work, so there must be demand for his video content. I wish the efforts put into ?getting? Max had instead been put into the fight against terrorism, drugs, child porn (90% of which originates in foreign countries like Russia), clergy sexual violations of minors, and other ?real? crimes.

I sense that radical religious hypocrites are celebrating that they ?got? Max. But, I personally think they need to realize that curtailing the rights of American adults to be entertained by other consenting adults doesn?t lesser the thirst or availability of Americans to access and enjoy Adult Entertainment. In the case of adult DVDs, taking down the ?porn? Industry won?t stop the normalcy of Americans desiring unfettered access to porn; instead, the void might well be filled by harsher ?Euro? porn from Eastern Europe, the former USSR, and other places where very ?hardcore? content will flood America, and its computer screens and other delivery platforms. ?Closing down? American porn does nothing, other than give the monetary economics of the porn business to non-Americans. What happened in Tampa recently seems UN-AMERICAN ? no one on a jury should feel pressured by other jury members, or anyone else, to convict!

We presently have Americans fighting and dying overseas in wars. Their efforts, along with the people involved in other past conflicts, are contributing towards the continued preservation of our American freedoms. One of those precious freedoms is the right to continued free speech, and to privacy, and security. Politicians in power, as well as government entities at all levels, need to realize that they cannot allow themselves to be ?pushed? by campaign contributors, religious hypocrites, or other politicians who ?feel? a need to make citizens comply with their own personal religious standards, NOT EVEN AS IT RELATES TO ADULT ENTERTAINMENT!

Candidly, I?m feeling almost as much concerned about the potential for loss of personal freedoms at the hands of our own government and/or American politicians and/or radical religious hypocrites, as I am about radical religious terrorists.

The upcoming elections might alleviate some of the above, but we ALL need to become informed VOTERS.

Please VOTE!!!!!!

Dave Cummings, www.davecummings.com / www.davecummings.tv

[ChefJeff]

Salutes you! Lt. Colonel Cummings!

[Nikki_Licks]

Great article, Dave.....

[Mutt]

Why in particular are you concerned about the city of Houston? What's going on there that makes it different than other cities?

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Well I got my thoughts to.

Here it is.

The video taping of simulated Sex crime should be deemed obscene when the whole of the depiction is of such, that is what the law says. In court the concept of "The work as a whole" assist's in legitamizing mainstream movies that may have a depiction of a violent sex crime, however the whole of the work is not of the sex crime itself.

Max Hardcore's movies are often based on sex crimes that are for the most part "The whole of the work" is the depiction of sex crimes. Whther the actors are acting or not the whole of the work still remains the depiction of sex crime. Ranging from underage sex, to violent sex and often both with incestuous undertones. Of which are truly illegal.

Paying bums to fight each other for media profit and distribution was found as a crime and Many of Max Hardcore titles fall in the same line. Standing up for scum bags like Max Hardcore that hide behind the "Freedom Of Speech" is nothing more than a diabolical perversion to justify making buck off of underpaid desperate models, coke whores and whores exploiting them and distributing the work for a buck.

That is not freedom of speech it is exploitation and the sales of criminal sexual activity bottom line.

[eightmotives]

Great entry Dave, unfortunately this country has always been one of double standards. Its almost like California, where on a state scale it is legal to smoke marijuana for medical use as long as you have the proper clearance from an approved doctor. But on a federal basis you can be tried and convicted based upon how much marijuana you have on yourself at any given time. There are tons of marijuana smokers sitting in jail right now because of this very reason.

In my opinion its damn near impossible to invoke such broad laws to an entire country as large as the USA. You are bound to have states like Florida go against the norm and try and act as if what Max was doing was a crime. The same thing happened to the girls gone wild guy, he was tried and convicted and served jail time because of the same type of people who reside in Florida.

There needs to be a line drawn somewhere and freedom of speech should allow Max to appeal the court's decision.

[baddog]

Personally, the thing that bothers me the most is that reportedly three jurors allowed themselves to be bullied into a guilty verdict.

I hope they have to face a jury some day.

[davecummings]

Originally Posted by Mutt

Why in particular are you concerned about the city of Houston? What's going on there that makes it different than other cities?

For years now, the city legislators have been subjectively hassling Gentlemen's clubs BIG time!

Dave

[baddog]

Originally Posted by davecummings

For years now, the city legislators have been subjectively hassling Gentlemen's clubs BIG time!

Dave

Well, while I will admit limited knowledge based on what I have seen on television, hasn't some of that harassment been somewhat justified?

Or am I thinking of Atlanta?

[bringer]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Paying bums to fight each other for media profit and distribution was found as a crime and Many of Max Hardcore titles fall in the same line. Standing up for scum bags like Max Hardcore that hide behind the "Freedom Of Speech" is nothing more than a diabolical perversion to justify making buck off of underpaid desperate models, coke whores and whores exploiting them and distributing the work for a buck.

That is not freedom of speech it is exploitation and the sales of criminal sexual activity bottom line.

scary. if we replaced "Max Hardcore" with "all porn", that paragraph could of been taken from the family research council's websites. they believe that ALL porn models are victims of poverty being exploited by those looking to make a quick buck. are all women in porn victims? or just the ones in the movies you consider obscene? you think all the women in the movies you jack to love getting a load shot on their face? or do they do it for a pay check? how about bdsm? tied up and whipped, dominated. are they being victimized? whipping a nude tied up women is illegal, so is portraying that fantasy in a controlled environment with consenting adults obscene? or will YOU ALLOW that one to continue? you might disagree with max's content, but in the end YOUR line and the line of those who are prosecuting max are on opposite sides of the spectrum making them dangerous. they want all porn gone, end of story. ps, will you be crying here in a few years if anal, dp, twink, facials, bdsm or any other "mainstream" niche is attacked next? what do you push? just keys on a forum?

[davecummings]

Here's the documentation about the pressure on some jurists to convict---it's in the bottom half of this AVN posting from Mark Kernes (who apparently personally witnessed the comments?) ---- http://www.avn.com/law/articles/30615.html

Originally Posted by davecummings

My column for this month:


FROM THE TRENCHES
BY: Dave Cummings ? Porn Star/Director-Producer

For the last 5-6 years, I?ve worried about free speech in Houston and elsewhere because of the way some politicians have proposed/erected roadblocks in the form of intrusive legislation against adult entertainment. It has certainly seemed one-sided, hypocritical, and out-of-touch with serving the public.

Because of a recent so-called ?jury? decision, I?m now also concerned about the city of Tampa where it seems that some jurists reportedly felt pressured by other members of the jury during recent deliberations incident to government charges against Max Hardcore concerning obscenity and shipments of his adult videos productions. Now, I admittedly don?t personally get sexual pleasure out of the Max Hardcore videos, but, like all Americans, he?s entitled to free speech. Max has many fans of his work, so there must be demand for his video content. I wish the efforts put into ?getting? Max had instead been put into the fight against terrorism, drugs, child porn (90% of which originates in foreign countries like Russia), clergy sexual violations of minors, and other ?real? crimes.

I sense that radical religious hypocrites are celebrating that they ?got? Max. But, I personally think they need to realize that curtailing the rights of American adults to be entertained by other consenting adults doesn?t lesser the thirst or availability of Americans to access and enjoy Adult Entertainment. In the case of adult DVDs, taking down the ?porn? Industry won?t stop the normalcy of Americans desiring unfettered access to porn; instead, the void might well be filled by harsher ?Euro? porn from Eastern Europe, the former USSR, and other places where very ?hardcore? content will flood America, and its computer screens and other delivery platforms. ?Closing down? American porn does nothing, other than give the monetary economics of the porn business to non-Americans. What happened in Tampa recently seems UN-AMERICAN ? no one on a jury should feel pressured by other jury members, or anyone else, to convict!

We presently have Americans fighting and dying overseas in wars. Their efforts, along with the people involved in other past conflicts, are contributing towards the continued preservation of our American freedoms. One of those precious freedoms is the right to continued free speech, and to privacy, and security. Politicians in power, as well as government entities at all levels, need to realize that they cannot allow themselves to be ?pushed? by campaign contributors, religious hypocrites, or other politicians who ?feel? a need to make citizens comply with their own personal religious standards, NOT EVEN AS IT RELATES TO ADULT ENTERTAINMENT!

Candidly, I?m feeling almost as much concerned about the potential for loss of personal freedoms at the hands of our own government and/or American politicians and/or radical religious hypocrites, as I am about radical religious terrorists.

The upcoming elections might alleviate some of the above, but we ALL need to become informed VOTERS.

Please VOTE!!!!!!

Dave Cummings, www.davecummings.com / www.davecummings.tv

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by davecummings

For years now, the city legislators have been subjectively hassling Gentlemen's clubs BIG time!

Dave

That wouldn't have anything to do with Houston's track record of underage girls (some VERY underage) dancing would it

[bringer]

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

That wouldn't have anything to do with Houston's track record of underage girls (some VERY underage) dancing would it

or offering sex for money in the clubs. its both.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by davecummings

Here's the documentation about the pressure on some jurists to convict---it's in the bottom half of this AVN posting from Mark Kernes (who apparently personally witnessed the comments?) ---- http://www.avn.com/law/articles/30615.html

So, my question is this: how is voting going to do anything about people that are more interested in getting home in time for the 6:00 news than they are about sticking up for what they believe?

Twelve Angry Men could never be written in 21st Century America.

[davecummings]

Originally Posted by bringer

or offering sex for money in the clubs. its both.

The lastest has been related to zoning and forcing relocations.

dave

[davecummings]

Originally Posted by baddog

So, my question is this: how is voting going to do anything about people that are more interested in getting home in time for the 6:00 news than they are about sticking up for what they believe?

Twelve Angry Men could never be written in 21st Century America.

Hopefully, voting out the subjective radical religious legislators might keep cases from having laws passed that cause the trials, thus no trials and resultingly no jury members would get to the point of having there arms twisted by others on the same panel. Let's all get all our website members and surfers to vote!

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by bringer

scary. if we replaced "Max Hardcore" with "all porn", that paragraph could of been taken from the family research council's websites. they believe that ALL porn models are victims of poverty being exploited by those looking to make a quick buck. are all women in porn victims? or just the ones in the movies you consider obscene? you think all the women in the movies you jack to love getting a load shot on their face? or do they do it for a pay check? how about bdsm? tied up and whipped, dominated. are they being victimized? whipping a nude tied up women is illegal, so is portraying that fantasy in a controlled environment with consenting adults obscene? or will YOU ALLOW that one to continue? you might disagree with max's content, but in the end YOUR line and the line of those who are prosecuting max are on opposite sides of the spectrum making them dangerous. they want all porn gone, end of story. ps, will you be crying here in a few years if anal, dp, twink, facials, bdsm or any other "mainstream" niche is attacked next? what do you push? just keys on a forum?

All those words mean nothing to me dude. I think you missed my point.
I do not think video's depicting or portraying criminal based sex is good for anyone.

The Depicting of underage models ( Under age or not ), rape, snuff, violence in visual detail should be illegal. It is illegal in the real world and a work as a whole depicting every detail of under age sex, rape, violent sex, battery, choking does not have any place in adult entertainment.

It's just my philosophy and my opinion however I do agree with Max Hardcore being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The legal system is working as intended, media has no business working this kind of thing for profit. Max Hardcore needs therapy, I have done lot's of therapy I know a fucken case when I see it and he is a guy that definatly needs help. Having a raging hard on fucking an appearent underage teen whose asshole is bleeding while she cries the whole time is absolutly sick.

The guy needs help thats not good acting you see.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

PS: Dave Cummings you ever seen Max hardcores stuff?

I sat and watched a couple of his movies before passing my own judgement about his "Work". I think you might want to see a few of his titles before standing up for this guy. Anyoen in thier right mind that has seen Max Hardcores stuff will find themselves thinking like I do on the matter.

I stand strong with freedom of speech but the concept of freedom of speech is in regards to political functiona and establishments, not media production of criminal activity or depictions of criminal activity. The concept of freedom of speech has been perverted and hiding behind it to excuse criminal activity for a buck is cowardly.

If the shit being portrayed in the real world is illegal depicting it as a whole within a production ought be illegal as well. I know many films have depicted criminal sexual violence in some films but as whole the work of the film does not base the entirety of content being the criminal act.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Also Dave Cummings I know the kind of movies you make, never once have I seen or heard of you beating or hurting any of the hot girls in your movies.

And an older guy having sex with a legal teen is perfectly fine. I have not seen all your work but I know that you do not push the issue of portraying underage sex, or violence to make a buck. Sure an old guy having sex with strapping hot teen is shocking but it is not illegal or violent in the eyes of the law in real life or film.

I hope that shows my position on this subject or at least explaines it.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by davecummings

The lastest has been related to zoning and forcing relocations.

dave

The squeaky wheel gets the grease is not always a positive thing. Kind of like Al Capone.

[brandonstills]

I think it's funny the number of people that qualify, "but I don't like his stuff" whenever they say anything to his support.

[bringer]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

All those words mean nothing to me dude. I think you missed my point.
I do not think video's depicting or portraying criminal based sex is good for anyone.

The Depicting of underage models ( Under age or not ), rape, snuff, violence in visual detail should be illegal. It is illegal in the real world and a work as a whole depicting every detail of under age sex, rape, violent sex, battery, choking does not have any place in adult entertainment.

It's just my philosophy and my opinion however I do agree with Max Hardcore being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The legal system is working as intended, media has no business working this kind of thing for profit. Max Hardcore needs therapy, I have done lot's of therapy I know a fucken case when I see it and he is a guy that definatly needs help. Having a raging hard on fucking an appearent underage teen whose asshole is bleeding while she cries the whole time is absolutly sick.

The guy needs help thats not good acting you see.

lets go after ufc then. they show adults getting the shit beat out of them. assault = crime. beating someone until they're knocked out is absolutely sick. arent they hurt when all is said and done? are the slaves or do they do it for a pay check? let me guess, bad example? why is it once we mix sex/violence it suddenly becomes criminal, even when its actors portraying a fantasy? we have things that are mainstream being put into adult movies and they then somehow become illegal. you can show an apparent underage girl being raped in a hollywood movie as long as you dont see the penetration. she could be screaming for her life and being choked and you can see this in a fucking movie theatre. do you really think that actual sex instead of simulated sex makes it ALL REAL in max's case? was she underage because he was actually fucking her? was he her actual "daddy"? reality is they only difference between what max did and what hollywood does is visible PENETRATION and storyline. maybe max should have an adventure before each hc scene so the "work as a whole" cant be considered obscene. ive seen some of his work and DONT LIKE ONE BIT OF IT, but when i see something identical come out of hollywood minus the visible penetration, i call foul.

It is illegal in the real world and a work as a whole depicting every detail of under age sex, rape, violent sex, battery, choking does not have any place in adult entertainment.

ps, you ignored my question on bdsm. doesnt it contain all the things you hate minus the perceived underage actor? a woman who cant move being sexually assaulted is all a jury would see. your line is blurring.......

[bringer]

Originally Posted by brandonstills

I think it's funny the number of people that qualify, "but I don't like his stuff" whenever they say anything to his support.

do you "like" this? should this be outlawed?

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by bringer

ps, you ignored my question on bdsm. doesnt it contain all the things you hate minus the perceived underage actor? a woman who cant move being sexually assaulted is all a jury would see. your line is blurring.......

NO I didnt miss the question.
Read my post again.

Awright let me say it again in regards to BDSM.

BDSM with Blood letting, simulated blood letting, beatings, scarification and rape simulation ought to be declared obscene. Depicting violent sex, rape which in itself has nothing to do with Bondage or true BDSM relations.

Personally my favorite sort of BDSM is the kind that gives no sexual satisfaction to the subject. BDSM is not sexually violent if it is true BDSM. Do you know what real BDSM is?

It's not about sex whats so ever but the development of accepting who is master and who is servant while developing trust, it has nothing to do with sex. Just thought I would point that out since you seem to have a lack of understanding of what Bondage is about.

[bringer]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

NO I didnt miss the question.
Read my post again.

Awright let me say it again in regards to BDSM.

BDSM with Blood letting, simulated blood letting, beatings, scarification and rape simulation ought to be declared obscene. Depicting violent sex, rape.

Personally my favorite sort of BDSM is the kind that gives no sexual satisfaction to the subject. BDSM is not sexually violent if it is true BDSM. Do you know what real BDSM is?

It's not about sex whats soever but the development of accepting who is master and who is servant, it has nothing to do with sex. Just thought I would point that out since you seem to have a lack of understanding of what Bondage is about.

nothing to do with sex but is considered adult? nothing to do with sex but they're nude? you can say that REAL BDSM gives no sexual satisfaction to the subject but the person paying to see it sure is getting satisfaction. are you saying of max had tied up these "underage" girls and whipped them it would be ok? btw, even if the line you set was followed, wouldnt it still be considered "rape" by a jury if someone is restrained and forces to "please" their master? whether its licking a boot or sucking a cock, if they get off on it whats the difference? it would be RAPE if you actually forced someone to act that out in real life so how is it any different using actors in a studio?

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

NO I didnt miss the question.
Read my post again.

Awright let me say it again in regards to BDSM.

BDSM with Blood letting, simulated blood letting, beatings, scarification and rape simulation ought to be declared obscene. Depicting violent sex, rape which in itself has nothing to do with Bondage or true BDSM relations.

Personally my favorite sort of BDSM is the kind that gives no sexual satisfaction to the subject. BDSM is not sexually violent if it is true BDSM. Do you know what real BDSM is?

It's not about sex whats so ever but the development of accepting who is master and who is servant while developing trust, it has nothing to do with sex. Just thought I would point that out since you seem to have a lack of understanding of what Bondage is about.

What the fuck do you think the discipline, sadism and masochism parts of BDSM are for? Holy shit on a cracker are you really that fucking stupid now and to even say "do you know what real BDSM is?" It is not just submission and dominance.

Seriously go get checked for a brain tumor already please.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by bringer

nothing to do with sex but is considered adult? nothing to do with sex but they're nude? you can say that REAL BDSM gives no sexual satisfaction to the subject but the person paying to see it sure is getting satisfaction. are you saying of max had tied up these "underage" girls and whipped them it would be ok? btw, even if the line you set was followed, wouldnt it still be considered "rape" by a jury if someone is restrained and forces to "please" their master? whether its licking a boot or sucking a cock, if they get off on it whats the difference? it would be RAPE if you actually forced someone to act that out in real life so how is it any different using actors in a studio?

You need to learn much more about BDSM culture.
This discussion is over, you are becomming ignorant and trying to draw a line where there is not one.

Forced Sex. Illegal. Understand?

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

You need to learn much more about BDSM culture.
This discussion is over.

Actually you have already shown that you do not know about the culture and are confusing it with domination and submission only.


Damn edits - you added to bdsm.
There is no forced sex if people agree ahead of time and there is a saftey or stop word or action.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Actually you have already shown that you do not know about the culture and are confusing it with domination and submission only.


Damn edits - you added to bdsm.
There is no forced sex if people agree ahead of time and there is a saftey or stop word or action.

Read above, I am not going to repeat myself all day.
Bye...

[bringer]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

You need to learn much more about BDSM culture.
This discussion is over, you are becomming ignorant and trying to draw a line where there is not one.

Forced Sex. Illegal. Understand?

yeah, but we're talking about simulated forced sex here. they've consented to physical and sexual "abuse" from another person. you could also draw a comparison between BDSM and KIDNAPPING if consent means nothing. btw, just because you think you know what BDSM is doesnt make you right. both participants get a sexual pleasure out of the act whether they orgasm or not. its EROTIC ROLL PLAYING between consenting adults. BDSM isnt someone forcing another to take out the garbage or wash a car but rather fulfill a sexual desire be it tied up, tied DOWN, ball gag in the mouth or whatever else THEY WANT IT TO BE. maybe someday you'll realize that certain words describing a wide array of activities cant be then narrowed down to exactly what you decide it should be.

[tony286]

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...B2173553472274

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Read above, I am not going to repeat myself all day.
Bye...

You claimed to know true BDSM yet felt in your delusional reality that you could exclude major portions of it and that BDSM should not have any punishment, violence, bloodletting, spanking, and other shit. Yeah I have read about and it just goes to show how much of a fool you really are.

You jump into every one of these types of threads with your hardcore my way is the only way beliefs and proceed to get beat down and shown your true ignorance and you default back to the same arguments over and over. Then your arguments in different threads and under different topics conflict with each other. As it stands apparently you are pro violence, rape, and everything else possible if they are from the middle east so perhaps your opinions on max would of changed to defending him if he just used Muslim women.

[davecummings]

[QUOTE=AlienQ;14294485]PS: Dave Cummings you ever seen Max hardcores stuff?

Per my 2d paragragh in my initial post--which said--"Because of a recent so-called ?jury? decision, I?m now also concerned about the city of Tampa where it seems that some jurists reportedly felt pressured by other members of the jury during recent deliberations incident to government charges against Max Hardcore concerning obscenity and shipments of his adult videos productions. Now, I admittedly don?t personally get sexual pleasure out of the Max Hardcore videos, but, like all Americans, he?s entitled to free speech. Max has many fans of his work, so there must be demand for his video content. I wish the efforts put into ?getting? Max had instead been put into the fight against terrorism, drugs, child porn (90% of which originates in foreign countries like Russia), clergy sexual violations of minors, and other ?real? crimes."

---yes, I've seen a little of his work, enough to sexually turn me off to his content; but, no one, including Max IMHO, should be the victim of what this jury "apparently" did (per the link I provided earlier to the AVN/Mark Kernes report of the pressure applied to one or more jury members---see the link in Posting #11 above.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

From Tony's link... Fascinating shit...

"In a move that looked as though he was trying to 'soften' her up to film more scenes, Dick took Felicity to meet Max Hardcore.
Within minutes of walking into Max's house, he had her knickers down, her skirt up, bent her over a table and started penetrating her with his oiled-up semi-erect penis. While this went on Felicity giggled nervously, looked embarrasedly at the documentary makers, and generally gave the impression that this wasn't a typical p0rno audition. (am I right or wrong about that?)

The next day Felicity agreed to return to Max's house for a film scene (Why? This was never made clear, surely a fluffer job would have been preferable?). She got dressed up in Max's typical 'jail-bait' uniform of very high heels, & tiny, too-small skirt and top, she was also made up to look like a pre-pubescent school girl attempting to catch the eye of the latest teen idol.

The film blacked out dramatically while the scene was being shot, until it was broken by the sounds of Felicity screaming and sobbing. The film started up again and Felicity was seen running away, naked with tears streamimng down her face. The voice-over then said that Max had attempted to force his fist into Felicity's mouth.
Max attempted to placate Felicity as, between sobs, she stated that she wanted to go home. Max's mood changed from one of sympathy and compassion to anger really quickly. He shouted at Felicity that she would never work in LA again, and that she was useless, ugly etc etc. Strangely this caused Felicity to agree to continue with the film, at this stage the documentary crew stepped in and escorted Felicity back to her hotel, with the voice-over explaining that they had thought the episode had appeared to them as nothing more than an organised, paid-for rape.
All strong stuff, and following the transmission of the film websites and forums erupted with indignation and disgust, years later some still are. Following this his profile in the UK sky-rocketed, which made me think that it was all a set-up to boost his sales in the UK, why else would a girl that refused to do anal be taken to meet a guy who never does a scene without anal? Was she going to be subjected to an anal pounding regardless of what she wanted? Or was the fact that having a film crew present allow Max and Dick to make themselves a 60 minute advert for their work to be broadcast free of charge on UK television?"


People Standing up for this mother fucking sick scum bag...
You people should be ashamed of yourselves.
Let em fry.

Nice link Tony.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

FROM Roxy Jezel on that page:

"hi my name is roxy jezel, and i once did a scene with max hardcore, who is an evil, manipulitive paedophile.
To answer some of your questions, i totally believe that felicity was brought to max, despite not even doing anal. Because my scene with him was just a blow job, and a memory i wish to never remember.I dont like dick nasty, he is an old pervert, who tries to fuck you even when the camera isnt rolling, total sleaze.
what you saw on that documentary was all real and true!!!! that is what he is like, he is so nice to you and as soon as the camera rolls he turns into a evil, misoginistic bastard. He held me in that max position on the sofa, and i was kicking and buckingf to get him off me, and he held my arms down so i couldnt get free. i was covered in my own salavia and bile, and couldnt open my eyes, i was in shock, and scared, and then he pissed on me, that was never agreed upon, i think thats so gross. The reason he has so many new comers, on his movies is beause they dont know any better, i didnt know, who he is, or what his movies entail. They havent done enough scenes to know they never have to work for him, and if you have a crappy agent like dick nasty, who only gets you the lowest of low, type work, you are innocent and naive when you enter the industry. But most girls dont want to admit this espechailly when something this tramatic happens to us, we just carry on, and learn. But some girls, they experience him as an intro into the business and are traumatised and never do it again. they arent just prostitutes from the street. not that i think anyway. After he gets you to do a disclaimer on video saying that you agreed to do this, and you are so in shock, and dont want to process what just really took place, you are filled with shame that you let this happen, that you just say what he tells you too. I cried for 2 days after what he did, i felt so stupid and disgusting, he knew he did wrong, he told me it would be a simple easy blowjob scene, he exact words, that wasnt an ordinary scene. My agent derek from Direct models called him and shgouted at him, and he paid me $1000 extra to say sorry, he knew he was wrong. Now4 years later im a contract girl for clubjenna and i would tell any girl entering the industry to nver work for him, and to get a good agent, not dick nasty."

[tony286]

Ive heard stories but you never know.I read that shit and it turned my stomach. Maybe one of the reasons his shit is so disturbing is for the most part its real.

[bringer]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Standing up for this mother fuckign sick scum bag...
You people should be ashamed of yourselves.
Let em fry.

im not standing up for HIM, im standing up for his movies. if everything you quoted hadnt happened; if he payed the model $5k to LET HIM DO EVERYTHING he did in the movie, never once complaining; would you still be complaining? the answer is yes! had you had that info before tony posted it you would of used it. the simple fact is you dont like what was shown on screen and are now grasping for straws to prove your point. if i make a video, like max made, with MY WIFE and we have a safe word thats never uttered, is it still bad in your eyes? even if after the fact she says "we do that all the time and i love it"? if his methods were your problem, why not attack those instead of whats portrayed in the videos? max wasnt charged with rape, he was charged with a bullshit obscenity charge. if whats described on that link is TRUE, she should of called the police and had him arrested. retraction of consent happens all the time and continuing IS RAPE.

extremes will always exist and focusing your attack on those extremes hurts us as a whole. if max and his kind disappeared tomorrow, the government will just move one notch down on the obscenity ladder going after gay, dp, bdsm, and anything else it can use to shock jurors into creating legal presidence. THEY HAVE AN AGENDA and everything you LOVE is on that list... a target for a later date.

my opinion; if someone consents to something that wont cause permanent damage, so be it. its their choice, let them make it.

[baddog]

I am not sure why there is any discussion about whether you approve of the content or not, whether you like Max personally or not, whether you are sticking up for him or not.

His conviction is not good for adult. It sucks that he was test case, but pretty sure they picked him for a reason.

The question should be, now what?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by bringer

im not standing up for HIM, im standing up for his movies. if everything you quoted hadnt happened; if he payed the model $5k to LET HIM DO EVERYTHING he did in the movie, never once complaining; would you still be complaining? the answer is yes! had you had that info before tony posted it you would of used it. the simple fact is you dont like what was shown on screen and are now grasping for straws to prove your point. if i make a video, like max made, with MY WIFE and we have a safe word thats never uttered, is it still bad in your eyes? even if after the fact she says "we do that all the time and i love it"? if his methods were your problem, why not attack those instead of whats portrayed in the videos? max wasnt charged with rape, he was charged with a bullshit obscenity charge. if whats described on that link is TRUE, she should of called the police and had him arrested. retraction of consent happens all the time and continuing IS RAPE.

extremes will always exist and focusing your attack on those extremes hurts us as a whole. if max and his kind disappeared tomorrow, the government will just move one notch down on the obscenity ladder going after gay, dp, bdsm, and anything else it can use to shock jurors into creating legal presidence. THEY HAVE AN AGENDA and everything you LOVE is on that list... a target for a later date.

my opinion; if someone consents to something that wont cause permanent damage, so be it. its their choice, let them make it.

Actually that was spoken about where I got that, they said if a girl came to the police and said im a porn actress and I was raped or assaulted while shooting a video. Chances are she would get laughed out of the police station.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by tony404

Chances are she would get laughed out of the police station.

Now I know what it is. You are a big fan of the maybe's.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by bringer

scary. if we replaced "Max Hardcore" with "all porn", that paragraph could of been taken from the family research council's websites. they believe that ALL porn models are victims of poverty being exploited by those looking to make a quick buck. are all women in porn victims? or just the ones in the movies you consider obscene? you think all the women in the movies you jack to love getting a load shot on their face? or do they do it for a pay check? how about bdsm? tied up and whipped, dominated. are they being victimized? whipping a nude tied up women is illegal, so is portraying that fantasy in a controlled environment with consenting adults obscene? or will YOU ALLOW that one to continue? you might disagree with max's content, but in the end YOUR line and the line of those who are prosecuting max are on opposite sides of the spectrum making them dangerous. they want all porn gone, end of story. ps, will you be crying here in a few years if anal, dp, twink, facials, bdsm or any other "mainstream" niche is attacked next? what do you push? just keys on a forum?

Which is more degrading already? Getting paid to do something you already enjoy and do for pleasure (fucking) or working at Burger King?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by baddog

Now I know what it is. You are a big fan of the maybe's.

If you have worked in LA in adult for more than 5 mins, you know the deal already and so does Mr Cummings. Ive heard the stories and Im in fucking Atlanta. Im sure as shit you guys who are around fucking porn mecca have heard a bigger earful than I ever heard.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Which is more degrading already? Getting paid to do something you already enjoy and do for pleasure (fucking) or working at Burger King?

if they are into it great, if its surprise Im going to piss on you. Not cool

[davecummings]

Yes, "now what?"

Possibly scary times ahead?

Originally Posted by baddog

I am not sure why there is any discussion about whether you approve of the content or not, whether you like Max personally or not, whether you are sticking up for him or not.

His conviction is not good for adult. It sucks that he was test case, but pretty sure they picked him for a reason.

The question should be, now what?

[Mistah Charlie]

You are a wise man, Dave. I appreciate your thoughtful comments, and agree with your conclusion that domestic religious fundamentalists are much more dangerous to our freedom than foreign ones!

[tony286]

isnt it funny on threads like this all the rightwing porners become for quite.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by bringer

im not standing up for HIM, im standing up for his movies. if everything you quoted hadnt happened; if he payed the model $5k to LET HIM DO EVERYTHING he did in the movie, never once complaining; would you still be complaining? the answer is yes! had you had that info before tony posted it you would of used it. the simple fact is you dont like what was shown on screen and are now grasping for straws to prove your point. if i make a video, like max made, with MY WIFE and we have a safe word thats never uttered, is it still bad in your eyes? even if after the fact she says "we do that all the time and i love it"? if his methods were your problem, why not attack those instead of whats portrayed in the videos? max wasnt charged with rape, he was charged with a bullshit obscenity charge. if whats described on that link is TRUE, she should of called the police and had him arrested. retraction of consent happens all the time and continuing IS RAPE.

extremes will always exist and focusing your attack on those extremes hurts us as a whole. if max and his kind disappeared tomorrow, the government will just move one notch down on the obscenity ladder going after gay, dp, bdsm, and anything else it can use to shock jurors into creating legal presidence. THEY HAVE AN AGENDA and everything you LOVE is on that list... a target for a later date.

my opinion; if someone consents to something that wont cause permanent damage, so be it. its their choice, let them make it.

SO you stand up for a guy's movies that are straight up rape video's, that pay's hush fee's for $1000.00 to unknowing models. A number of girls have said the same thing as Roxy Jezel, who works at Club Jenna. They are essentially raped and then made into a movie and thats OK with you?

Crying two days after shoot from the shock of being so humiliated and physically abused is good for our industry? Is it really? Answer that.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by davecummings

Yes, "now what?"

Possibly scary times ahead?

Dave a jury sees you going at it, the first thing that will come to their minds respect of your sexual prowess not obscenity.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Max's shit excuse for making money is not a test case, it's straight up the way the law is supposed to be working, he needed to go down a long fucking time before it became a case about even media distribution.

The guy hurts girls, thats a fact and if the law went to his other models as witness he would be in alot more shit than he is in.

[Iron Fist]

I'm sure someone will blame this on tube sites...