Not one thread about Clinton's victory?

[baddog]

You guys are slacking.

[Tempest]

Cause there's no rabid "believers" for Hillary on this board.

[notoldschool]

Not much of a victory seeing as the only state she had a huge lead in evaporated. She has no chance other than getting all her rich freinds to pull some shit. I hope the bitch goes broke trying to stay in with her only intention to ruin the Democrats chances of beating her crusty old buddy Maccooon.

[CDSmith]

There's hockey on. Everything else is going to have to fucking wait.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Not much of a victory seeing as the only state she had a huge lead in evaporated. She has no chance other than getting all her rich freinds to pull some shit. I hope the bitch goes broke trying to stay in with her only intention to ruin the Democrats chances of beating her crusty old buddy Maccooon.

10% is huge when you look at the amount of money Obama wasted in his loss. I can't believe a paultard is even making such a comment.

Originally Posted by CDSmith

There's hockey on. Everything else is going to have to fucking wait.

Americans don't watch hockey. Oh, are the Canadians the only ones here that support Clinton?

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Hillary better make the Democratic Ticket or I am voting for McCain.
Obama is a fucking racist so I am glad Hillary got Pen.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Hillary better make the Democratic Ticket or I am voting for McCain.
Obama is a fucking racist so I am glad Hillary got Pen.

And this is precisely why McCain for the win. Edwards should have stuck it out.

[GetSCORECash]

This isn't over untill the convention, no matter what happened today, Hillary isn't going to quit and neither is Obama. This election is going to come to super delegates and the party heads.

In the end who ever loses is going to say the other stole the election. Unless these two make up, and become friends, this election is somewhat over.

I don't want to see another rebuplican win, but I'm not sure if either Obama or Clintion win that they alone can win the election in November.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by SCORE-Cash

This isn't over untill the convention, no matter what happened today, Hillary isn't going to quit and neither is Obama. This election is going to come to super delegates and the party heads.

In the end who ever loses is going to say the other stole the election. Unless these two make up, and become friends, this election is somewhat over.

I don't want to see another rebuplican win, but I'm not sure if either Obama or Clintion win that they alone can win the election in November.

Correct on all points.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by baddog

And this is precisely why McCain for the win. Edwards should have stuck it out.

do you think if edwards stayed til the end, he could of had it?I liked edwards.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by tony404

do you think if edwards stayed til the end, he could of had it?I liked edwards.

I think he was more electable than either of the current contenders. I voted for him in our primary even though he had already dropped out.

[Rochard]

I really want to vote for McCain... But I don't think he's gonna make it to the white house. I think he'll die before then.

But no way in hell am I voting for Hillary.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I really want to vote for McCain... But I don't think he's gonna make it to the white house. I think he'll die before then.

But no way in hell am I voting for Hillary.

Your going to vote for McCain ? You got something else you can do for a living? Look up McCains good friend Charles Keating. He was the scumbag who went after Larry Flynt and then cost the country 2.8 billion dollars in the saving and loan scandal.

[qxm]

I'm waiting to hear it from J Stewart and Colbert to form my opinion ................. LOL

[Tom_PM]

This win for Clinton was like a foregone conclusion and Obama lost another big state. Only winning in the large urban areas by and large once again.

Clinton has a very powerful argument to remaining superdelegates, and a more legitimate shot than ever.

Big winner was the Democratic party, picking up over 300,000 new registered voters, some who flipped from Rep. to Dem, causing not only a gain in dems, but a loss in pubes.

[Vendzilla]

You guys are funny

they planned this

they make a lot of news in their battle, only to come together under one ticket with all the supporters they made because of the trauma and win the presidental election

At least thats my plan!

[sicone]

Did Hillary win.. I been asleep most of the afternoon/evening

[Gouge]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

This win for Clinton was like a foregone conclusion and Obama lost another big state. Only winning in the large urban areas by and large once again.

Clinton has a very powerful argument to remaining superdelegates, and a more legitimate shot than ever.

Big winner was the Democratic party, picking up over 300,000 new registered voters, some who flipped from Rep. to Dem, causing not only a gain in dems, but a loss in pubes.

Her best argument is that she has one all the big states TX, CA, OH, PA, FL, MI that are need for her to win against McCain.

[TheDoc]

I think we should add 'none of the above' to the voting options. I bet it would win this election.

[F-U-Jimmy]

Originally Posted by baddog

10% is huge when you look at the amount of money Obama wasted in his loss. I can't believe a paultard is even making such a comment.



Americans don't watch hockey. Oh, are the Canadians the only ones here that support Clinton?

No im a Brit and i support her 100%

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Rochard

But no way in hell am I voting for Hillary.

Why?....

[baddog]

Originally Posted by F-U-Jimmy

No im a Brit and i support her 100%

I am sure all the support from people that can't vote is quite reassuring to her.

[gadabout]

I rather see Obama win. I am sure it will end up being Hillary though with the super delegates giving it to her.

I don't see why you guys think McCain even has a chance. There have been a ton more democrats voting then republicans in the primaries.

[Corona]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Hillary better make the Democratic Ticket or I am voting for McCain.
Obama is a fucking racist so I am glad Hillary got Pen.

Why don't you post some proof of him being a racist or are you just talking out of your ass like usual.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by gadabout

I rather see Obama win. I am sure it will end up being Hillary though with the super delegates giving it to her.

I don't see why you guys think McCain even has a chance. There have been a ton more democrats voting then republicans in the primaries.

I will type slowly for you.

Republicans do not need to vote. It has been pre-determined that McCain gets the nomination for a while now.

[Corona]

Originally Posted by baddog

I will type slowly for you.

Republicans do not need to vote. It has been pre-determined that McCain gets the nomination for a while now.

And before it was determined, more Dems were voting than Repubs in the primaries.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Corona

And before it was determined, more Dems were voting than Repubs in the primaries.

Because all the passionate Clinton supporters and Obama supporters wanted to be sure their favorite won. unfortunately for the Democrats, a large percentage of Clinton's supporters will vote for McCain over Obama; and the same holds true re: Obama supporters and Clinton.

[ninavain]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You guys are funny

they planned this

they make a lot of news in their battle, only to come together under one ticket with all the supporters they made because of the trauma and win the presidental election

At least thats my plan!

finally someone that can see this is a big game THEY WILL BOTH BE ON THE TICKET!

Ed Rendell ( PA Gov) needed to deliver a 10 point spread and that's what she got..it's cheating but hey, I guess that's politics.

heavy black parts of Philly reporting broken voting machines..hmmmmm

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Corona

Why don't you post some proof of him being a racist or are you just talking out of your ass like usual.

Sorry ya do not goto a Priest that does your daughter's Marriage and Baptises family without hearing what that racist Reverend had to say.

That Reverend is a fucken racist and to tend a church that allows that kind of hate speech for over 20 years...

Obama has that fucker racist on Payroll.

Please.
Merely tending that congregation is an admission in agreeing with that Racist Reverend fuck head.
If you think differently you are entitled to it but kinda naive to think otherwise IMHO.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

OBAMA IS A FUCKEN HATE SPEECH SYMPATHIZER AND RACIST

End Of Story.

[Corona]

Originally Posted by baddog

unfortunately for the Democrats, a large percentage of Clinton's supporters will vote for McCain over Obama; and the same holds true re: Obama supporters and Clinton.

Now I know you are out of your freakin' mind.

That just doesn't happen. They might not vote at all but they will not vote for McBush.

Do you think any supporters of Huckabee or Romney are going to vote for Obamba?

Did think so.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by baddog

10% is huge when you look at the amount of money Obama wasted in his loss. I can't believe a paultard is even making such a comment.

It's a big win for her but it doesn't matter. He's up by too much, she can't possibly catch up with what's left.

[Snake Doctor]

I heard an interesting sports saying on the radio today that is appropriate.

"You can't say it's over until the home team loses"

In a 7 game series, if the road team is down 2-0, you can't go writing their obituary. Teams are expected to win at home.

So far both candidates have won at home. In this scenario, Obama has home court advantage because of his delegate lead, so Clinton has to steal one on the road.

It's not big news when the team that was favored by 20 points wins by 10 points.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Corona

Now I know you are out of your freakin' mind.

That just doesn't happen. They might not vote at all but they will not vote for McBush.

Do you think any supporters of Huckabee or Romney are going to vote for Obamba?

Did think so.

You are completely wrong. Gallup just released a poll a couple weeks ago that said 20% of Obama's supporters would vote for McCain, and 29% of Clinton's would vote for McCain if their candidate did not win.

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

It's a big win for her but it doesn't matter. He's up by too much, she can't possibly catch up with what's left.

Neither has enough to win the nomination prior to the convention, and neither will. You keep forgetting about the Electoral College, and Clinton has the states that matter.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by baddog

You are completely wrong. Gallup just released a poll a couple weeks ago that said 20% of Obama's supporters would vote for McCain, and 29% of Clinton's would vote for McCain if their candidate did not win.

Neither has enough to win the nomination prior to the convention, and neither will. You keep forgetting about the Electoral College, and Clinton has the states that matter.

General election polls taken before the party conventions are meaningless. Any political pro will tell you that.
The same way that the national primary polls taken before the Iowa caucuses were meaningless. Clinton obviously hasn't won by 20% nationwide, even though those early polls showed her with that much of a lead or more.

If your electoral college argument is correct, then the Dems might as well pack up and go home because John McCain won New York, California, Illinois, Connecticut, New Jersey, Delaware, Washington, Maryland, Wisconsin, Vermont, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.

Looks like no matter who we nominate McCain will win 45+ states in the general because he won them in the primary.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by baddog

You keep forgetting about the Electoral College, and Clinton has the states that matter.

Doesn't matter dude.. Obama supporters have hope on their side...

[Snake Doctor]

Actually baddog, someone will have enough delegates to win before the convention.

All of the superdelegates are going to have to decide in early June.

Based on the current delegate counts and projections for the remaining 9 primaries, Clinton would need over 65% of the remaining uncommitted superdelegates to clinch the nomination, Obama would need just over 35%.

Seeing how Obama has been picking up, on average, one superdelegate per day since super Tuesday, and Clinton's net gain since then has been zero, it's his nomination to lose.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Doesn't matter dude.. Obama supporters have hope on their side...

and more delegates, and more votes, and more money, and more donors, and more states....but who's counting?

[L-Pink]

[baddog]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Sad but true.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

and more delegates, and more votes, and more money, and more donors, and more states....but who's counting?

He had more money.. he lost tonight .. He had more donars.. he lost tonight... delegates don't determine who wins in November. State count doesn't determine who wins in November... who's counting? Those of us that want a dem in the white house.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by baddog

Sad but true.

Die hard Republicans plus those voting against the Democrat's nominee will win this election too. (like we have discussed before)

Sad really ........

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by Tempest

He had more money.. he lost tonight .. He had more donars.. he lost tonight...

So tonight is the only night that matters? None of the other election nights we've had so far have mattered? All of those elections where he's won more votes and accumulated more pledged delegates.....the only one out of all of those that matters is tonight?

What about North Carolina and Indiana? Do they matter? Or is Pennsylvania the only state that matters and the other 49 are just wasting their time by holding primaries?

Originally Posted by Tempest

delegates don't determine who wins in November. State count doesn't determine who wins in November... who's counting? Those of us that want a dem in the white house.

Delegates determine who wins the nomination. Neither you or I or anyone else on the planet can do anything more than guess when it comes to who will win in November and why.
You may think you know, but all you're really doing is constructing an argument based on your candidate preference.

These things change so many times and so fast it's ridiculous. The general election is 7 months away, that's an eternity in politics.
For a point of reference, consider this. The Iowa caucuses were 4 months ago, think about what the race was like then. Hillary was "inevitable", there was no way she could lose. Now she's making arguments based on ideas that require intense mental gymnastics just to follow.....not to mention the fact that the argument changes every week once they realize that last week's argument didn't work for them.
Who out there predicted that? Who, 4 months ago, predicted that Hillary would be hanging on by a very thin thread, behind in the popular vote and delegate count, almost completely out of campaign funds, and praying that superdelegates would break for her to give her the nomination?

Nobody.

And this has only been 4 months....we have almost twice that time between now and the general, so don't pretend to know what will happen between now and then, because you don't have a clue.

[gadabout]

Originally Posted by baddog

I will type slowly for you.

Republicans do not need to vote. It has been pre-determined that McCain gets the nomination for a while now.

I don't know where that comes from but ok. I still doubt he will win the entire thing. I am still betting it is Clinton that wins.

Sad but true.

I was a Ron Paul supporter at the start but now that he is pretty much done. The only choice left for me is Obama after that a write in. McCain isn't a republican he more like a fascists.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You guys are funny

they planned this

they make a lot of news in their battle, only to come together under one ticket with all the supporters they made because of the trauma and win the presidental election

At least thats my plan!

good plan I think the only reason this is still going, is to see who gets VP ?

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by baddog

Neither has enough to win the nomination prior to the convention, and neither will. You keep forgetting about the Electoral College, and Clinton has the states that matter.

But Obama will have a signifigant lead in money, delegates, pledged delegates, and overall votes come convention time. The only way Hillary can win is by convincing a ton of superdelegates to vote for her instead of Obama. I can't fathom that happening. It would completely alienate Obama voters and the Democratic party would lose the black vote for the next 30 years. McCain would win the thing in a massive landslide. They'd also lose a lot of close Congressional races that people would vote Republican out of spite.

The Democratic Party is pretty fucking stupid, but I can't fathom they'd be that stupid.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

But Obama will have a signifigant lead in money, delegates, pledged delegates, and overall votes come convention time. The only way Hillary can win is by convincing a ton of superdelegates to vote for her instead of Obama. I can't fathom that happening. It would completely alienate Obama voters and the Democratic party would lose the black vote for the next 30 years. McCain would win the thing in a massive landslide. They'd also lose a lot of close Congressional races that people would vote Republican out of spite.

The Democratic Party is pretty fucking stupid, but I can't fathom they'd be that stupid.

She wins the big states and you can't fathom it happening? Really?

and yes they are that stupid. Why do you think we are even having this discussion?

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

So tonight is the only night that matters? None of the other election nights we've had so far have mattered? All of those elections where he's won more votes and accumulated more pledged delegates.....the only one out of all of those that matters is tonight?

What about North Carolina and Indiana? Do they matter? Or is Pennsylvania the only state that matters and the other 49 are just wasting their time by holding primaries?

Delegates determine who wins the nomination. Neither you or I or anyone else on the planet can do anything more than guess when it comes to who will win in November and why.
You may think you know, but all you're really doing is constructing an argument based on your candidate preference.

These things change so many times and so fast it's ridiculous. The general election is 7 months away, that's an eternity in politics.
For a point of reference, consider this. The Iowa caucuses were 4 months ago, think about what the race was like then. Hillary was "inevitable", there was no way she could lose. Now she's making arguments based on ideas that require intense mental gymnastics just to follow.....not to mention the fact that the argument changes every week once they realize that last week's argument didn't work for them.
Who out there predicted that? Who, 4 months ago, predicted that Hillary would be hanging on by a very thin thread, behind in the popular vote and delegate count, almost completely out of campaign funds, and praying that superdelegates would break for her to give her the nomination?

Nobody.

And this has only been 4 months....we have almost twice that time between now and the general, so don't pretend to know what will happen between now and then, because you don't have a clue.

You imply I pick and choose the info I want to present and yet you're the worst example of someone that does that... You talk about how Obama will win in November and then you say no one knows.. You're such a moron that can't seem to put together a cohesive argument... Nowhere did I say or imply that tonights results are the only ones that matter. You put it out there that more money, more donors etc. are the reason he'll win.. I was pointing out that the results from tonight indicate that that's not the case.

What about North Carolina and Indiana? The only thing that matters in those states or any other is the exit polls and what they indicate about who the core voters are voting for and how they will relate to going against McCain. Who, by their results in the battlefield states, has the best chance of eroding support for McCain and winning against him. Tonights result is exactly the type of electoral college, state by state election results that the voting in November will come down to and Obama didn't deliver even with all the extra money etc. He went into a state that favored Hillary (now change that name to McCain) and he had more money, more donors, out spent Hillary by 3x and he lost. He can't use the excuse anymore that the votors don't know him.

North Carolina, Indiana are republican states.. So in order to win in November, Obama needs to get the type of voters that will be voting for McCain... blue collar, religious etc... Tonights result indicated once again that he has a very hard time with those voters..

Pennsylvania is a swing state.. And he lost to Hillary even with his outspending her.. The Democrats can't afford "hoping" they'll win that swing state come November.

But hey.. Reality doesn't matter.. As one Obama supporter said.. "When I hear him talk he speaks to my heart"... Guess everyone will just have to "hope" that Obama "can" win...

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by baddog

She wins the big states and you can't fathom it happening? Really?

and yes they are that stupid. Why do you think we are even having this discussion?

I just think there are enough superdelegates who would understand that giving the nomination to Hillary would lose the black vote for the party as well as just about every newly registered Democrat this election. Sure they might lose this election under Obama, but they'd at least not lose two huge demographics for the next 30 years.

It would be great theater, but despite how stupid they can be, I just can't fathom them throwing their party off a cliff for Hillary Clinton.

[uno]

Originally Posted by baddog

And this is precisely why McCain for the win. Edwards should have stuck it out.

Because idiotic simpletons actually believe that sort of tripe?