Not one thread about Clinton's victory?

[uno]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Sorry ya do not goto a Priest that does your daughter's Marriage and Baptises family without hearing what that racist Reverend had to say.

That Reverend is a fucken racist and to tend a church that allows that kind of hate speech for over 20 years...

Obama has that fucker racist on Payroll.

Please.
Merely tending that congregation is an admission in agreeing with that Racist Reverend fuck head.
If you think differently you are entitled to it but kinda naive to think otherwise IMHO.

I don't believe its the first time, and i'm more than certain it won't be the last time, but I'll say it again.

You're an idiot.

*Nice Fiddy post!!

[dig420]

no, at this point I wish she would just go away.

[Young]

Originally Posted by baddog

She wins the big states and you can't fathom it happening? Really?

and yes they are that stupid. Why do you think we are even having this discussion?

Where to start...

- Republican's are being out voted 4:1 at the polls. EVEN BEFORE it was a 1 man race it was still around 3:1.

- California, New Jersey, Massachusetts are Blue States...John McCain isn't going to change that. On the other hand Colorado, Oregon, Washington, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Virginia, and Maine all go red if Hillary is the nominee.

- She won the other big states (OH, PA, TX) ? O.K. fine...but look at the margins that she won those big states by...still not enough for her to overtake him in the popular vote.

- MI, FL don't count....get over it. TX is red. Therefore the "big state" argument is retarded. As I pointed out above it is the smaller swing states that will make a difference.

- The one thing the Democratic Party can ALWAYS RELY ON is the African American vote. They are coming out for Obama by 9:1 margins.

- He can not lose the true measuring stick...pledged delegates. If Hillary Clinton is rewarded for her negative campaign with a nomination you can count out 90% of African American votes in the general election. A sure death blow for Democrats come November, 2010, and 2012 Presidential and beyond. They will view the election as stolen.

- McCain has had no time to bask in the media spot light. There is no way this guy is going to be President. Just look at the newly released ad by the DNC...chilling. There's tons of footage just like that to be used. Let's not forget about the Keating 5 and his crackhead Wife.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by baddog

Americans don't watch hockey.

I beg to differ.

[Probono]

Do any of you really want 4-8 more years of Bush? If you don't you better hope the Democrats win. McCain has been molded into Bush's aged poodle. He was once a man I respected now i would not even consider a vote for him.

As to Hilary and Obama, Obama is a wild card but maybe that is what is needed. Whomever wins has a mess to clean up, maybe someone who knows what a gallon of milk costs would be better than a president who doesn't.

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by Corona

Now I know you are out of your freakin' mind.

That just doesn't happen. They might not vote at all but they will not vote for McBush.

Do you think any supporters of Huckabee or Romney are going to vote for Obamba?

Did think so.

What baddog said.

I'm voting for Hillary. But if she doesn't make it, I just might vote McCain over Obama.

baddog - 1
Corona - 0

[Tom_PM]

One of the largest false premises out there is that somehow, superdelegates have the ability to "give" or "steal" the nomination.

That is False!

The simple fact is that superdelegates are singular people, like you and me, with a singular vote, like you and me.

Lets lay out a simple example and apply the false premise.

A governor's state went majority for Obama. Now the media would say if he votes for Clinton, he's "alienating" his states voters; he's "giving" it to Clinton; he's "stealing" it from Obama. If you were made to believe any of those things right now while you read, you can consider yourself uninformed. If a governor like that was only supposed to vote for the candidate that his constituents voted for in majority, he's nothing but a rubber stamp and the entire "superdelegate" process was never needed in the first place.

It's a simple thing that you probably will not hear or see on tv, and rarely will see on any democratic blog because it's not sexy or controversial. But it's an extremely simple fact.

These people are charged with making up THEIR OWN mind! Imagine that, lmao. They can take any damn thing they want into account just like you or me. Is she too old? Is he too creepy? Is he a doodiehead? Anything they want!

I propose that any superdelegate that tries to claim "I couldnt alienate my constituents by voting counter to them" should be voted out of office immediately, as they have proven they have no spine and are just telling you what they know will go down easy. If they say "I voted for the person that I thought was best", then they are OK in my book, regardless of who they choose.

[markz08]

i think it'll be a close fight, its just one state... she must win in a large margin.

[Tom_PM]

And by the way, to Clintons enormous credit, she won this race after a month and a half that included 2 solid weeks of the media asking "Should Hillary Quit?". Even doing hour long interviews trying to speculate on if the media people thought she should quit, and why.. even after she said clearly she wasn't of course.

An orgy of pundits amusing themselves on a question they already knew the answer to, without regard to how it might affect the votes. Purely negative is the only way Clinton could possibly see that. Combined with Obamas massively huge stash of pure cash spent on ads and events all over the state. How could Obama not win that freaking state is beyond me. He had everything going for him, including a distracted media base with nothing better to do than bash his opponent bloody for 6 weeks. And he only managed to win Philadelphia for the most part. I mean holy shit.

Anyone who thinks that a superdelegate voting for the person with 51.3% of the vote or the person with 48.7% of the vote is "giving" or "stealing" or "alienating" is simply crazy. Parroting such nonsense just illustrates a particular brand of spin.

The only margin needed to win, according to Obama, is 51%. Why is it different for Clinton? Spin is why.

[Tom_PM]

And one last thing. Anyone who thinks that if Clinton wins, it means 90% of african americans will stay home or vote McCain is truly messed up in the head.

Just like anyone who thinks that if Obama wins, 90% of southern whites will stay home or vote McCain is truly messed up in the head.

It's a good old "fear factor" being trotted out on top of the whole "stealing" line. Cherry on top of a sundae.. and all purely false. Using that argument lessens your IQ by 50 points. Find your own argument for your candidate, but dont treat african americans or southern whites like they're all completely mindless morons. It's nothing but an insult used to cause fear.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

OBAMA IS A FUCKEN HATE SPEECH SYMPATHIZER AND RACIST

End Of Story.

FACT:

Mccains has far more racist and down right insane advisors & freinds than Obama.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by Tempest

You imply I pick and choose the info I want to present and yet you're the worst example of someone that does that... You talk about how Obama will win in November and then you say no one knows.. You're such a moron that can't seem to put together a cohesive argument... Nowhere did I say or imply that tonights results are the only ones that matter. You put it out there that more money, more donors etc. are the reason he'll win.. I was pointing out that the results from tonight indicate that that's not the case.

I only pointed out that he has more money, more donors, more pledged delegates, more votes, and more states won. You (dick that you are) are the one who took that a step further and said that I said those things are the reason he'll win, when all I said was just that he has more money, more donors, more pledged delegates, more votes, and more states won. I simply stated those as a matter of fact in response your implication that all Obama and his supporters have is "hope".

As if you're the only one who understands the real world and the 15 million people who have voted for Obama so far are just delusional children.

The rest of your idiotic post was just a straw man argument against what you think I said, because you either have a reading comprehension problem or you intentionally twisted or added to my words just so you could make your weak ass case for why the person who got less votes is actually the strongest candidate.

You are now on ignore, fuck you very much.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I just think there are enough superdelegates who would understand that giving the nomination to Hillary would lose the black vote for the party as well as just about every newly registered Democrat this election. Sure they might lose this election under Obama, but they'd at least not lose two huge demographics for the next 30 years.

It would be great theater, but despite how stupid they can be, I just can't fathom them throwing their party off a cliff for Hillary Clinton.

You make some [more] rather large assumptions.

Originally Posted by uno

Because idiotic simpletons actually believe that sort of tripe?

Read the polls. he is not alone.

Originally Posted by CDSmith

I beg to differ.

I forgot the </sarcasm> tag.

Sorry.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

I only pointed out that he has more money, more donors, more pledged delegates, more votes, and more states won. You (dick that you are) are the one who took that a step further and said that I said those things are the reason he'll win, when all I said was just that he has more money, more donors, more pledged delegates, more votes, and more states won. I simply stated those as a matter of fact in response your implication that all Obama and his supporters have is "hope".

As if you're the only one who understands the real world and the 15 million people who have voted for Obama so far are just delusional children.

The rest of your idiotic post was just a straw man argument against what you think I said, because you either have a reading comprehension problem or you intentionally twisted or added to my words just so you could make your weak ass case for why the person who got less votes is actually the strongest candidate.

You are now on ignore, fuck you very much.

I almost feel sorry for you.

[CDSmith]

It ain't a good political thread unless someone gets put on ignore by someone.


hoo-yeah.

[BradM]

All of the voters in this country I know have pledged to not vote. The 3 choices that are presented are some of the worst in history. My grandparents have voted since the early 50s EVERY single time no matter what - and they have said it's a waste of time this year because every candidate sucks and would be a bad choice for the country.

Maybe it's just the small circle I know, but I'd say 80% of those I know are just saying fuck it.

[Tom_PM]

Oh I love these bloggers who the media is quoting today, saying things like "the democrats are tearing themselves apart" lmao!

If I sliced an apple 51% 49%, could it be more divided? (yes, 50% to 50% lol).

Is it "tearing apart" to have MILLIONS of newly registered democrats?

Yeah, the democrats are ruined. Ruined I tells ya!!!!!1

Oh! They just read another "important" blog about this win giving Clinton more credibility for "stealing the election from Obama"!!!! See above posts about this worthless argument.

So, a torn apart party (divided by the voters) and now a "stolen" election. Welcome to spin alley on the day after. These are the same people who called Clintons 3am ad "negative" and some even called it racist. God what a clusterfuck.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by BradM

All of the voters in this country I know have pledged to not vote. The 3 choices that are presented are some of the worst in history. My grandparents have voted since the early 50s EVERY single time no matter what - and they have said it's a waste of time this year because every candidate sucks and would be a bad choice for the country.

Maybe it's just the small circle I know, but I'd say 80% of those I know are just saying fuck it.

Then you, your grandparents, and of your other 2 freinds can move to a country where you feel like voting.

[stickyfingerz]

I dont like anyone running particularly on either side, but I think the dems will have an epic loss come election day.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

I dont like anyone running particularly on either side, but I think the dems will have an epic loss come election day.

The sad thing is, they should have had a guaranteed victory.

[BradM]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Then you, your grandparents, and of your other 2 freinds can move to a country where you feel like voting.

That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I am Canadian and I have only voted once, because I don't give a shit and one vote doesn't matter.

In this country it's your RIGHT to vote. You don't HAVE to do it.

UGH. Notoldschool please stop doing drugs, you get worse and worse all of the time. I used to read your posts and nod and smile and agree. But lately you've become a douche shit head 12 year old.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Then you, your grandparents, and of your other 2 freinds can move to a country where you feel like voting.

On your logic you should be kicked out of the country. It's the persons right to not vote or feel the vote isn't worthy.

I hate all 3, I don't trust any of them, none of them have a record that would even kind of get me to trust them, and being so it is my opinion none of them deserve my vote or to be president. So by my rights, I probably will not vote for any of them.

I already said it in this post, add 'none of the above' to the voting options and I guarantee you that option would win the race.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Not much of a victory seeing as the only state she had a huge lead in evaporated.

10 points isn't huge?

She has no chance other than getting all her rich freinds to pull some shit. I hope the bitch goes broke trying to stay in with her only intention to ruin the Democrats chances of beating her crusty old buddy Maccooon.

Last time I checked Obama needs super delegates to get to 2025 also. so nigga please.

It'd be different if he had 2024 pledged delgates and Hillary had 1225 and she got all the super delegates to get the nomination that's not the case.

Please explain why Obama can't win a big state? Well he did win illnois of course he's from there. Other than that his biggest win is georgia which is 9th. GA also has lots of blacks. Obama is looking more like Dukakis every day.

[BradM]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

On your logic you should be kicked out of the country. It's the persons right to not vote or feel the vote isn't worthy.

I hate all 3, I don't trust any of them, none of them have a record that would even kind of get me to trust them, and being so it is my opinion none of them deserve my vote or to be president. So by my rights, I probably will not vote for any of them.

I already said it in this post, add 'none of the above' to the voting options and I guarantee you that option would win the race.

For once, for the first time in GFY history I agree with you.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

I only pointed out that he has more money, more donors, more pledged delegates, more votes, and more states won. You (dick that you are) are the one who took that a step further and said that I said those things are the reason he'll win, when all I said was just that he has more money, more donors, more pledged delegates, more votes, and more states won. I simply stated those as a matter of fact in response your implication that all Obama and his supporters have is "hope".

As if you're the only one who understands the real world and the 15 million people who have voted for Obama so far are just delusional children.

States won doesn't mean shit. More people live in the top 10 states in population than in the bottom 40, but if some canidate wins all 40 and none of the top 10 that somehow gives them more cred? Nope.

More votes? Al Gore got more votes than GW Bush. Didn't mean squat did it? 15 million have voted for Obama? That's about 6% of eligble voters. By the way 60 million retards voted for GW Bush in 2004.

[dig420]

A suggestion: If you're going to come in here and try to out-blase everyone by talking about how 'they're all the same' or you're not going to bother to vote because none of these hyper achievers are good enough for you, just don't fucking post. Your fakeass world weary know-nothing attitude is boring, we don't need to know.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by BradM

For once, for the first time in GFY history I agree with you.

Really? That's kinda of sad. I'm happy to say I can't say that about anyone on GFY.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by dig420

A suggestion: If you're going to come in here and try to out-blase everyone by talking about how 'they're all the same' or you're not going to bother to vote because none of these hyper achievers are good enough for you, just don't fucking post. Your fakeass world weary know-nothing attitude is boring, we don't need to know.

With this logic your rights to vote should be taken away.

A non-vote still counts exactly the same as a vote. Then voicing our opinions against them is exactly what the election process is all about, vote or not. If we can't debate them, and maybe help make up a persons mind, then you are knocking the system you are trying to defend.

Or maybe explain why I have to choose?

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by BradM

That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I am Canadian and I have only voted once, because I don't give a shit and one vote doesn't matter.

In this country it's your RIGHT to vote. You don't HAVE to do it.

UGH. Notoldschool please stop doing drugs, you get worse and worse all of the time. I used to read your posts and nod and smile and agree. But lately you've become a douche shit head 12 year old.

Im sorry if I what i said was not polite, but I beleive in this election everyone needs to vote. Of course you DONT HAVE TO VOTE, but we need change now more than ever. If you and all your buddies think its not worth it, well then you let the powers above win IMO.

Also please refer to this very intelligent post

Originally Posted by dig420

A suggestion: If you're going to come in here and try to out-blase everyone by talking about how 'they're all the same' or you're not going to bother to vote because none of these hyper achievers are good enough for you, just don't fucking post. Your fakeass world weary know-nothing attitude is boring, we don't need to know.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Young

Where to start...

- Republican's are being out voted 4:1 at the polls. EVEN BEFORE it was a 1 man race it was still around 3:1.

- California, New Jersey, Massachusetts are Blue States...John McCain isn't going to change that. On the other hand Colorado, Oregon, Washington, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Virginia, and Maine all go red if Hillary is the nominee.

Minnesota last voted red in 1968.

- MI, FL don't count....get over it. TX is red. Therefore the "big state" argument is retarded. As I pointed out above it is the smaller swing states that will make a difference.

Why doesn't FL count? ALL candidates were on the ballot all abided by the no campaigning rule so no one had an advantage. yes yes please let the dems keep telling floridians their votes don't count. that'll help come november.

- The one thing the Democratic Party can ALWAYS RELY ON is the African American vote. They are coming out for Obama by 9:1 margins.

In Prez elections blacks ALWAYS vote dem 9-1. Gore got over 90% Kerry got 90% Hillary would get 90% Obama doesn't bring anything new to the table when it comes to blacks. what, he'll get 95% in Nov? big deal.

- He can not lose the true measuring stick...pledged delegates. If Hillary Clinton is rewarded for her negative campaign with a nomination you can count out 90% of African American votes in the general election. A sure death blow for Democrats come November, 2010, and 2012 Presidential and beyond. They will view the election as stolen.

figured blacks don't know math. 2025 dlegates are needed. I don't know how they can claim something is stolen if super delegates help Hillary get the nomination when it's a FACT that Obama will need super delegates himself. Obama can't say it's unfair for super delegates to count when he's courting them himslef and would gladly claim the nomination if super delegates pushed him above 2025. He knew the rules BEFORE he ran. If he didn't like them he didn't have to run.

Fact is if Dems gave out delegates like the GOP does where it's winner take all Hillary would have sewn up the nomination along time ago like McCain.

[notoldschool]

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...2#post14102252

sorry I meant to make a new thread. I am now on bump duty in this thread.

[cwd]

Can anyone explain what superdelegates actually are? I mean really, are they just a bunch of guys who gave boatloads of money to the party or what? And, if superdelegates are going to have the final say in who is actually on the ticket, why are we wasting time and money with these primaries? It all seems so frustrating its easy to understand why so many people are turned off by our political process.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Im sorry if I what i said was not polite, but I beleive in this election everyone needs to vote. Of course you DONT HAVE TO VOTE, but we need change now more than ever. If you and all your buddies think its not worth it, well then you let the powers above win IMO.

Also please refer to this very intelligent post

I see this as a two way door. People that vote, just to vote.. because they think have to vote, is what fucks the system up. It's part of the reason why GW bush won last time, as one of our friends said 'he is funny so I voted for him, again.' - People like that shouldn't vote, period.

I feel it's justice to not vote when you can't agree with what any of them are saying. I have equal grounds of what I do and don't agree with, on all 3 of them. I'm not a rep or dem, I have views on both sides. But the real deal is, I don't agree with 90% of anything, all 3 are saying.

The 10% I do agree with them on is all non-important shit to me and has nothing to do with making our country better.

Why should anyone vote unless they actually like and agree with the majority of what the person is saying? Otherwise, aren't you just being a sheep and doing what someone else is suggesting you do?

[Mutt]

you could sense it for the past month or so - Obama losing momentum - it's all playing out right into the hands of the Republicans. At this point a Clinton nomination victory will play better - Obama Mania peaked too soon - if Clinton takes the nomination the media will fall over itself with stories about how she got up off the mat painting her as Comeback Hilary.

this race is a microcosm of why there are all those red states in the middle of the country - a bitter fight between a black man and a white woman - the divisiveness that has been the trademark of the Democratic Party for a very long time - the people in the red states don't like it.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by cwd

Can anyone explain what superdelegates actually are? I mean really, are they just a bunch of guys who gave boatloads of money to the party or what? And, if superdelegates are going to have the final say in who is actually on the ticket, why are we wasting time and money with these primaries? It all seems so frustrating its easy to understand why so many people are turned off by our political process.

Every dem member of congress is super delegate including Obama and Clinton. Every dem Governor is a super delgate. Also some former govs and members of congress are also super delegates as well as former VP and Presidents. For example Al Gore is super delegate so is Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter and Walter Mondale.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I see this as a two way door. People that vote, just to vote.. because they think have to vote, is what fucks the system up. It's part of the reason why GW bush won last time, as one of our friends said 'he is funny so I voted for him, again.' - People like that shouldn't vote, period.

I feel it's justice to not vote when you can't agree with what any of them are saying. I have equal grounds of what I do and don't agree with, on all 3 of them. I'm not a rep or dem, I have views on both sides. But the real deal is, I don't agree with 90&#37; of anything, all 3 are saying.

The 10% I do agree with them on is all non-important shit to me and has nothing to do with making our country better.

Why should anyone vote unless they actually like and agree with the majority of what the person is saying? Otherwise, aren't you just being a sheep and doing what someone else is suggesting you do?

I feel ya, but if people dont realize that a guy like Mccain could have their famalies eating out of garbage cans in 5 years or less then they better find a better candidate.

The real problem is alot of Americans are ignorant sheep and let their nightly news dictate what the candidates are really about. That will never change, just like there will never be a perfect candidate, EVER. If your waiting for that election, dont bother registering to begin with.

[BradM]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Im sorry if I what i said was not polite, but I beleive in this election everyone needs to vote. Of course you DONT HAVE TO VOTE, but we need change now more than ever. If you and all your buddies think its not worth it, well then you let the powers above win IMO.

Also please refer to this very intelligent post

Notoldschool: A democrat vote will guarantee a Republican in office for 2012. The recession will go bad, the war will spiral out of control... Mccain is a dead vote and the republican party knows it.

So obviously "everyone needs to vote for change" means vote Democrat.

Frankly, I don't like Obama or Clinton and I don't want them running the world. (The USA is New Rome, and we spin the world's wheels). So me NOT voting is a NO CONFIDENCE vote.

I don't feel I need to explain this more to you. Why should I vote for an idiot? Because he/she is LESS of an idiot than the other guy? Fuck that.

Also the US needs more parties and needs to stop this 2 party horseshit. See UK/Canada/NZ/AU etc

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

I feel ya, but if people dont realize that a guy like Mccain could have their famalies eating out of garbage cans in 5 years or less.

Explain. I'm not sure how McCain can hatch his evil plans without Congress which will be contolled by the dems for at least the first 2 yars of his administration. And let's face it McCain will be strictly a 1 termer due to age.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by GatorB

10 points isn't huge?



Last time I checked Obama needs super delegates to get to 2025 also. so nigga please.

It'd be different if he had 2024 pledged delgates and Hillary had 1225 and she got all the super delegates to get the nomination that's not the case.

Please explain why Obama can't win a big state? Well he did win illnois of course he's from there. Other than that his biggest win is georgia which is 9th. GA also has lots of blacks. Obama is looking more like Dukakis every day.

If Obama not winning a "big state" makes him like Dukakis then what does that make Clinton? Seeing how she has less votes and less pledged delegates than him, yet when she started this race she had every advantage and he was relatively unknown?

When she started in this race she had almost every advantage that an incumbent usually has, yet she has been behind in votes and delegates every day since the first ballot was cast....but somehow you want to spin that to mean that Obama is weak?

So, in your own words, nigga please.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by BradM

Also the US needs more parties and needs to stop this 2 party horseshit. See UK/Canada/NZ/AU etc

ther are. the problem is people like you refuse to vote for those candidates. Any reason why you don't go ahead and vote and vote for the green aprty or Libnertarian party candidate? sure they won't win, but if MILLIONS voted for other party candidate maybe those parties would beome more legit. The GOP was an outsider 3rd party until a guy named Lincoln got elected.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by GatorB

States won doesn't mean shit. More people live in the top 10 states in population than in the bottom 40, but if some canidate wins all 40 and none of the top 10 that somehow gives them more cred? Nope.

More votes? Al Gore got more votes than GW Bush. Didn't mean squat did it? 15 million have voted for Obama? That's about 6% of eligble voters. By the way 60 million retards voted for GW Bush in 2004.

Ok so if the states Clinton wins are more important because they have more people, then why is she behind in the popular vote?

Even if you count the Florida results she's still behind in the popular vote.

Yes, Al Gore won the popular vote but lost the election because general elections are decided by the electoral college. Nominations are decided by delegates, and Obama has many more than her.

So what exactly is your argument here?

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by BradM

Notoldschool: A democrat vote will guarantee a Republican in office for 2012. The recession will go bad, the war will spiral out of control... Mccain is a dead vote and the republican party knows it.

So obviously "everyone needs to vote for change" means vote Democrat.

Frankly, I don't like Obama or Clinton and I don't want them running the world. (The USA is New Rome, and we spin the world's wheels). So me NOT voting is a NO CONFIDENCE vote.

I don't feel I need to explain this more to you. Why should I vote for an idiot? Because he/she is LESS of an idiot than the other guy? Fuck that.

Also the US needs more parties and needs to stop this 2 party horseshit. See UK/Canada/NZ/AU etc

I agree that this two party shit does nothing but draw a divide in our country. I wouldnt mind No parties and every man for himself type shit. Then we could atleast vote for the best man or woman.

Originally Posted by GatorB

Explain. I'm not sure how McCain can hatch his evil plans without Congress which will be contolled by the dems for at least the first 2 yars of his administration. And let's face it McCain will be strictly a 1 termer due to age.

He isnt hatching any evil plan. he is a puppet set in place to continue the evil plan that has been in the works for two decades. Got it?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

If Obama not winning a "big state" makes him like Dukakis then what does that make Clinton? Seeing how she has less votes and less pledged delegates than him, yet when she started this race she had every advantage and he was relatively unknown?

When she started in this race she had almost every advantage that an incumbent usually has, yet she has been behind in votes and delegates every day since the first ballot was cast....but somehow you want to spin that to mean that Obama is weak?

So, in your own words, nigga please.

So Obama won Wyoming, the Dakotas, Idaho, Alaska etc. Those states vote red.

So Obama won georgia, alabama, louisiana S Carolina who have lots of blacks that vote in dem primaries. they vote red in Nov too.

Please show me states that held a PRIMARY in which less than 25% of the reg voters were black in which Obama won by more than 5 points.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by GatorB

In Prez elections blacks ALWAYS vote dem 9-1. Gore got over 90% Kerry got 90% Hillary would get 90% Obama doesn't bring anything new to the table when it comes to blacks. what, he'll get 95% in Nov? big deal.

Obama can't say it's unfair for super delegates to count when he's courting them himslef and would gladly claim the nomination if super delegates pushed him above 2025. He knew the rules BEFORE he ran. If he didn't like them he didn't have to run.

The question isn't what percentage of the black vote a candidate gets, the important thing is how many of those people actually show up at the polls.

Same with the youth vote...baddog said in another thread that Dems always get the youth vote, and that is true. However, turnout among young voters is always very low, but in this primary season they have shown up in much larger numbers to support Obama.

So again it's not what percentage of a certain demographic you get in the fall, it's how many people in that demographic show up to the polls. On this Obama has been way in the lead this entire season.

As for your last comment, Obama has never said superdelegates were unfair, AND he's never said Hillary should get out of the race.
Don't go confusing what op-ed writers and political bloggers and other people say with what the candidate himself says. He knows the rules, he's playing by the rules, and he'll win by the rules.

Speaking of rules, why do you cry about the rules when it comes to superdelegates but want to put the rules aside when it comes to Florida? Hillary knew the rules (regarding FL and MI) before she ran, if she didn't like them she didn't have to run.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

I feel ya, but if people dont realize that a guy like Mccain could have their famalies eating out of garbage cans in 5 years or less then they better find a better candidate.

The real problem is alot of Americans are ignorant sheep and let their nightly news dictate what the candidates are really about. That will never change, just like there will nenver be a perfect candidate, EVER. If your waiting for the election, dont bother registering to begin with.

I agree that McCain can't run this country, forget everything else that is wrong, he has Cancer so a vote for him is a vote for his vice president. And he looks old, seems to forget, and thinks war is an answer.

Obama in my eyes will damage the country far greater than McCain ever could. At least with McCain we know we are getting Bush again. With Obama, this guys track history and life history.. the only reason he is able to make it this far is because he is black, period. No white person would ever have made it as far as he has if the same problems came up. If you don't think some serious upper powers are playing this hand, then you may want to do more research.

And Clinton, she prob isn't/wasn't the best choice, but she had my vote until she cried on TV. Really I was voting for her husband to make it into a chair. Anyway, I could agree with her on everything (but I don't) and ever since she cried, that day she stood no chance with me. You want to lead the most powerful country in the world then you best act like you are powerful enough to do it, something she clearly has shown she can't handle.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Ok so if the states Clinton wins are more important because they have more people, then why is she behind in the popular vote?

Even if you count the Florida results she's still behind in the popular vote.

If you count Florida Obama's lead is less than 200,000 out of nearly 30 million.

Yes, Al Gore won the popular vote but lost the election because general elections are decided by the electoral college. Nominations are decided by delegates, and Obama has many more than her.

So what exactly is your argument here?

And super delegates are part of the delegate count so what is YOUR argument here?

Also Obama has 52% of the pledge dlegates awards so far. That's not a HUGE lead.

As long as he splits the rest of the delgates in the remaining contests he only needs 45% of the remaining undecided super delegates to go his way to secure the nomination. And he's gotten 80% of the super delegate endorsements over the last 2 months. So what is your issue?

[Sausage]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Sorry ya do not goto a Priest that does your daughter's Marriage and Baptises family without hearing what that racist Reverend had to say.

That Reverend is a fucken racist and to tend a church that allows that kind of hate speech for over 20 years...

Obama has that fucker racist on Payroll.

Please.
Merely tending that congregation is an admission in agreeing with that Racist Reverend fuck head.
If you think differently you are entitled to it but kinda naive to think otherwise IMHO.

^^^
What he said

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by GatorB

So Obama won Wyoming, the Dakotas, Idaho, Alaska etc. Those states vote red.

So Obama won georgia, alabama, louisiana S Carolina who have lots of blacks that vote in dem primaries. they vote red in Nov too.

Please show me states that held a PRIMARY in which less than 25% of the reg voters were black in which Obama won by more than 5 points.

And McCain won California and New York....so does that mean he's going to win them in the fall?

Nope.

Primary victories are not a reliable indicator of how a candidate will fare in that same state during the general election. The only reason we're hearing this nonsense about "big states" and "electoral math" in this primary season is because it's the only argument Hillary can make....she's lost this race by every standard measure, so she had to make up her own.

You want me to show you a state that held a primary where this percentage of voters were this and Obama won by more than that?
What's next, Obama can't win states that start with the letter "N" and have 3 syllables and more than two rivers....so therefore Hillary should be the nominee?

This is beyond ridiculous.

When the race is over, you count up the votes (or delegates in a primary or electoral votes in the general) and the person with the most votes wins. Why is that so hard for some people to get through their thick skulls?

After what happened in 2000 you would think democrats would be united on the principle that the person with the most votes should win.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

As for your last comment, Obama has never said superdelegates were unfair, AND he's never said Hillary should get out of the race.
Don't go confusing what op-ed writers and political bloggers and other people say with what the candidate himself says. He knows the rules, he's playing by the rules, and he'll win by the rules.

Then WHY is it if Hillary gets the nomination because of the super delegates Obama supporters are saying she STOLE his nomination. You can't have it both ways.

Speaking of rules, why do you cry about the rules when it comes to superdelegates but want to put the rules aside when it comes to Florida? Hillary knew the rules (regarding FL and MI) before she ran, if she didn't like them she didn't have to run.

As for as florida, it was the REPUBLICAN controlled Fl legislature and the REPUBLICAN governor that moved up the date of the democratic primary. So I'm not sure why the DNC chooses to blame Florida democrats and punish them for something they had ZERO control over. Kind of like blaming Jews for the Holocaust.

You bring up Hillary like I support her. I don't like that fat bitch anymore than I like Obama.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by GatorB

If you count Florida Obama's lead is less than 200,000 out of nearly 30 million.



And super delegates are part of the delegate count so what is YOUR argument here?

Also Obama has 52% of the pledge dlegates awards so far. That's not a HUGE lead.

As long as he splits the rest of the delgates in the remaining contests he only needs 45% of the remaining undecided super delegates to go his way to secure the nomination. And he's gotten 80% of the super delegate endorsements over the last 2 months. So what is your issue?

I have no issue here, he's going to win, it's that simple.

Quit putting words in my mouth or making arguments for me....I never said superdelegates weren't part of the game, they are, and at the end of the day they're going to go with the person who got the most votes and the most pledged delegates, because they don't want a repeat of 1968 or 1972.

Also, your math is wrong....since Super Tuesday Obama has gotten 100% of the net superdelegates. Hillary's net gain in superdelegates since then is ZERO. She gained a few but lost just as many.