amacontent

When is a content trade not a content trade. Katja Kassin from www.clubkatja.com did a simple content trade.. 2 solo videos along with matching hi res pics. Stipulation was it was only for her site and no free sites.. no problem.

No we recieve the content and its small pics size wise...less than half that id usually use.. AND its watermarked with the photographers site , and the video was given in 1 size, very low res quick time format ALSO watermarked.

WTF

Waiting for email response from FOTOG RE: hi res pics and master tape for video.

Your thoughst GFY

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RevSand

Does not sound right to me... I always think content trades should be seamless and both parties get clean unedited versions of everything shot enless agreed upon in advance.

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billywatson

Content trade is exactly that: you each get the SAME EXACT content. Mater tapes, raw pics, model releases, full 2257, for each participant.

There is no other way.

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TiaLing

Wow .... I find it soooooo amazingly funny that you and revsand have agreed on this .... being the someone you both know very well that I shot content trade with refuses to send originals and wants me to download pics and vids that are too small for my site off of his. To be quite honest , I don't even care if it's watermarked and unedited at this point ... actually never even asked for editing, can do that myself .... just want the content. However, if this isn't taken care of shortly i'll be announcing this as a thread anyway .... but I think it's complete bullshit on his end and also on the photographers end that you used. All content trades should involve original dv tape and original size stills .... and at the very very least .... having the original size vids on dvd with stills on cd.... which I can't even get out of this person .... only excuses.

tia

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Grapesoda

explain gently that you should receive the content without watermarks and a full rez, stills and vid. probably dealing with a newb

munki

Honestly I typically wouldn't release raw dvs on a trade... but you would get unedited digital tape dump, as well as raw or high rez jpegs unedited.

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Red Ezra

"agreed upon in advance" is exactly the situation.

Joe: I was going to reply to your email but since I found this thread only five minutes after reading that email here's my reply:

It's because that wasn't the deal - and - the fact that you're soooo quick to get drama rolling on GFY makes me concerned that you can't be trusted just like her last webmaster. I wouldn't even consider shooting with her while she had her site with him. I spent a lot of money to get that guy to take down free galleries and using content however he pleased. This is why i did the deal like this in the first place. Just because the files are smaller than you release doesn't mean it is not excellent content - Katja seems very happy. She quickly posted a couple of the shots on her MySpace page. Releasing "masters" is not part of any deal I have done since seeing my photos on the cover of an escort magazine with a five page photo layout without my consent - that was the result of trusting a model with masters - NEVER AGAIN.

I was considering giving Katja larger video files and I have emailed her about it - if she can guarantee me that Joe can respect our agreement she will get the larger edited and watermarked files. The last thing I want is to see my work on a free tube site at full broadcast resolution without my watermark because her webmaster had the video and decided to do that with it to get sales.

The deal is between myself and Katja Kassin and not AMA Content anyway. We were already discussing doing another shoot but whatver happens will be directly connected to Joe now and how he handled this. I've been doing trades for years and my reputation for excellent content is solid.

TiaLing

I don't know you at all .... but being a model myself and having done content trade many times ...... if you're doing content trade and it's with Joe or with K. Kassin , that person has as much ownership of that content as you ..... they are entitled to full size images and full size vids ..... as well as non - watermarked photos if they wish .... where the photos or vids end up is not something you can or should be able to control if you're doing content trade. If that's your concern .... then you need to agree upon a full paid shoot with no content trade involved ... then you have all the rights ..... however, what you're suggesting is not fair to the model or whoever you made the trade with. If she uses larger images and vids than you're giving them ..... it can't be used ..... which is the same prob i'm having at the moment .... it may be excellent content .... but if it's enlarged after being compressed it will become shitty content!

tia

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Katja Kassin

I always prefer to solve my problems in person but not like this. I am very upset that I was brought into this. This should have been dealt with in a phone conversation between adults. I am very sorry about that Red. Please know that I had no idea up until now.

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TiaLing

Kajta,

You're prob right ..... however, he really should give you full size images and vids. On another note .... I'd love to do a trade with you at some point .... going to be coming back out to LA in a few weeks .... check out my site and email if you'd like .... www.tialing.com and my email is [email protected] . Tried to set up thru Joe once a while back but didn't work out at the time because of scheduling , etc. Hope to hear from you!

Tia

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Mutt

that is friggin' ridiculous - you deserve the content in its raw format to do what you want with other than the no free site stipulation you agreed to.

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Va2k

I spend 1000's and 1000's of dollars on content and not a dime from ama or from that donny dude and a few others just because of things just like this!

Drama might be fun to sum but it really isnt that fun to most biz peeps!

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Grapesoda

Hi Tia, I'd be glad to shoot you, if you need content. no trade though. -bmb

Grapesoda

be glad to shoot for ya... LMK if you need some samples. -bmb

Mutt

oh i missed the Red Ezra response - when Red and Katja agreed to this content trade shoot was the format/size of the content she was going to receive discussed? If not - she deserves the masters. And the next time a content trade is bartered she should be told exactly what she will be given - size/quality restrictions so she and her webmaster can decide whether the shoot is worth it or not.

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TiaLing

sure, drop me an email when you get a minute at [email protected] , thanks,

tia

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sicone

Hope this gets resolved quickly so all parties are happy

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RevSand

Trades are trades when no parties are paid any money and split all costs. In such case all masters and originals should be traded evenly. If one party puts in any $$ on a shoot then they have 1st say on how the content is shared BUT that should also be discussed in advance what the limits are going to be on the content prior to shooting so the other person can decide then if its worth their time and effort to do the shoot.

For example, if the model pays for location and other talent and offers to split the content with the photog for shooting it, then the model can say (in advance) that the content can only be used on his site and not for DVD release. If the photog does not like that agreement then he can just not do the shoot OR offer to do a full swap if he pays 1/2 the cost of location and other talent.

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TiaLing

Hey Revsand,

I agree with this .... however, wouldn't you say that originals should be provided , even if for only the use of the website , since the originals are needed to properly size and display the content, even if it is only to be used for web and not dvd secondary to one party putting in money.

tia

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Paul Markham

Get everything in writing before the trade, sale or what ever. Because people have different ideas of what terms means.

Even if you get it in writing it can be pointless as some don't bother to stick to a license if they feel like it.

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RevSand

Hey babe... I am not sure 100% whats going on here but here is more of my on content trades (and I have done PLENTY for Ashleys site).

As I said.. Whatever is gonna be given should be talked about in advance bottomline. And once again the person putting in the most for the shoot (time and money) is the one who has 1st call on the terms of the shoot and the other person can decide not to do it. If either person is directly paid for the shoot then they lose more rights to what is done with the content. If in my above example, the photog was paid to be there and shoot it then its only outta generosity that the model give him anything from the shoot for his own use. If the photog forgoes pay (or other compensation ) and splits shoot costs then they have equal footing for the content and it should then be traded fully and evenly.

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TiaLing

Rev, I emailed you on this to explain ..... don't want to go into too much detail on here just yet. On another note .... may be on an extended trip to LA as soon 2 wks from now! We'll have to get together on that content stuff. tia

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Lance69

There is no reason one party should be allowed control over the content more than the other... period... it's bullshit.
Photographer did a service; model did a service; to make a product that belongs to both.

Shit like this is why whenever we shoot we will have an addendum for agreement basically stating what the content can be used for, how it can be transferred if at all, what both parties are entitled to etc. I refuse to do a content trade without a copy of the RAW files in one form or another. I've done it as a model and as a shooter and that's the only fair way to do it. Though protecting the content is an issue as well of course, but that's why a written agreement is always a good thing.

I see models getting fucked all the time, spending hours at a studio only to get a CD weeks later with lo-res photos and a huge Donny Long style watermark for their "Trade" contribution.

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amacontent

My point here is that it was ONLY agreed content would be used for the website and not any promo sites which we decided was fine.

NOTHING was said bout

a- the content would be given to us in the format and size Fotog chooses
b- LOL THE CONTENT MARKED WITH HIS NAME AND WEBSITE
c- 1 small version of the video..( which is corrupt btw on the disc)

When ever we do content trades with girls.. they leave with 2257, copy of the mini dv tape and raw pics. End of story. Or worst case they come back next day.

and fyi Mr Red Ezra.. I had no intention on bringing your name in on this post. This was a post to see if I was correct in thinking way I was. I woulda talked via email on this. No one had any clue you were invovled. Except me and Katja.

I expect you to do the right thing and mail the content to the addy i emailed. And yes this was between you and katja but we are partners and both work very hard on this site.
This whole episode was totally un neccessary.

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RevSand

Let me know when you will be in town...

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TiaLing

Will do that ..... regardless of whether we're moved out or not yet .... will be out may 17-21 shooting in LA and then to san jose on the 22nd. tia

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Sebastian Sands

Contant trades can be done in different ways, you can shoot scene for scene or you can shoot and trade the same scene. i personally prefer to shoot scene for scene, now both parties have an exclusive scene and each has the masters of said scene.

If it's the same scene that is used it is actually a content share, and then it comes down to what is agreed upon. From what I read in here the content share was between Katja and Red. Either way, it's kinda silly to have a discussion like this on here. I am sure you guys can get it figured out. But if there were no specifics and all that was said was "lets trade" then Katja should get a DVD with the pics and a copy of the mini DV tape. No doubt

Sebastian

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agreed 100%

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