Barack Obama: South Carolina Victory Speech

[TheSenator]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=i8mG5qfDXL4


Amen Brother!

[ninavain]

[cykoe6]

I would never vote for Obama, or any Democrat for that matter, but I found what he was saying in that speech to be quite inspirational. A society where everyone could stop classifying themselves and others according to things like race and ethnicity would be a much better place. Obama seems to really believe in a color blind society like MLK talked about, but he is the representative of a party which crams racial quotas, ethnic classifications and the politics of victimization and multiculturalism down our throats on a daily basis. Too bad he does not really mean what he is saying because a society where people stopped considering themselves African American, Hispanic, Muslim etc. and started to consider themselves Americans would be a real improvement over the current state of affairs.

[TheSenator]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

I would never vote for Obama, or any Democrat for that matter, but I found what he was saying in that speech to be quite inspirational. A society where everyone could stop classifying themselves and others according to things like race and ethnicity would be a much better place. Obama seems to really believe in a color blind society like MLK talked about, but he is the representative of a party which crams racial quotas, ethnic classifications and the politics of victimization and multiculturalism down our throats on a daily basis. Too bad he does not really mean what he is saying because a society where people stopped considering themselves African American, Hispanic, Muslim etc. and started to consider themselves Americans would be a real improvement over the current state of affairs.

So, do you vote at all?

Are you some type of hippie tree hugger?

Do you wake up early in the morning, do your yoga and eat your tofu?

Do you go to church?

Do you support the war on terror?

Do you support the troops?

Did you vote for Bush in the last two elections?

Did you vote for Nader?

Where do you stand?

[robfantasy]

its not race that divides people, its education and values that divides people.

no one is born a racist..

i remember when i was younger i always was for equality and always trying to support the idea of treat everyone the same..

i was naive

as you grow older and gain life experience in the REAL world you become wiser and you form opinions based on recurring observations and statistical patterns which are irrefutable

that is why the most racist people are old people.

there is no way obama will win, there is no way the silent majority will allow that

[DirtyProfits]

I think if a Republican gets elected for president again, the USA will see a recession.

[TheSenator]

Originally Posted by robfantasy

its not race that divides people, its education and values that divides people.

no one is born a racist..

i remember when i was younger i always was for equality and always trying to support the idea of treat everyone the same..

i was naive

as you grow older and gain life experience in the REAL world you become wiser and you form opinions based on recurring observations and statistical patterns which are irrefutable

that is why the most racist people are old people.

there is no way obama will win, there is no way the silent majority will allow that

So enlighten us...
What are your observations?
What are these statistical patterns which are irrefutable?

Don't pull an "there are people who say" argument.

[robfantasy]

population in prison statistics, welfare statistics, violent crime statistics, drug dealing statistics, homicide statistics, should i continue?

[TheSenator]

Originally Posted by robfantasy

population in prison statistics, welfare statistics, violent crime statistics, drug dealing statistics, homicide statistics, should i continue?

I can break down your arguments like a break down a white belts in jiu-jitsu.

"population in prison statistics"
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/jailrace.htm


Chew on that for awhile....

[robfantasy]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

I can break down your arguments like a break down a white belts in jiu-jitsu.

"population in prison statistics"
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/jailrace.htm


Chew on that for awhile....

we are talking about in proportion to population as a whole........

[Babaganoosh]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

I can break down your arguments like a break down a white belts in jiu-jitsu.

"population in prison statistics"
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/jailrace.htm


Chew on that for awhile....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(United_States_Census)

Chew on that for a while.

[robfantasy]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(United_States_Census)

Chew on that for a while.

ya about 6 x more white ppl in the US. what is your point?

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by DirtyProfits

I think if a Republican gets elected for president again, the USA will see a recession.

<sarcasm>Or probably a draft</sarcasm>



Made it obvious enough I think...

[TheSenator]

Originally Posted by robfantasy

population in prison statistics, welfare statistics, violent crime statistics, drug dealing statistics, homicide statistics, should i continue?

welfare statistics:
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfareblack.htm

White 38.8%
Black 37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian 2.8
Other 3.4

[Axeman]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

welfare statistics:
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfareblack.htm

White 38.8%
Black 37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian 2.8
Other 3.4

All good and well but you keep leaving out the key factor that there is roughly 6X more whites than blacks and Hispanics in America and yet they hold only a 1.5% lead over blacks for welfare.

Be blind to the numbers if you wish, but your only fooling yourself.

[robfantasy]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

welfare statistics:
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfareblack.htm

White 38.8%
Black 37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian 2.8
Other 3.4

wow so for the total population of america, 37.2 % of people on welfare are black, and 38.8% are white

when there are 6 x more of a white population than a black popluation in america

so thank you for proving my point

[TheSenator]

Originally Posted by Axeman

All good and well but you keep leaving out the key factor that there is roughly 6X more whites than blacks and Hispanics in America and yet they hold only a 1.5% lead over blacks for welfare.

Be blind to the numbers if you wish, but your only fooling yourself.

I was making an argument on his points.

Of course whites are the majority. Whites have been surpressing blacks and other minorities.

Slavery, rockefeller laws, war on drugs...

U.S. Constitution once counted Black slaves as worth three-fifths of whites.

Today black per capita income is three-fifths of whites. Blacks had nothing, no skills, no voices, ........

Barack Obama encompasses America and the dream of all black slaves. I rather believe in a canditate that inspires hope and change....then one who wants war and keep the status quo

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Axeman

All good and well but you keep leaving out the key factor that there is roughly 6X more whites than blacks and Hispanics in America and yet they hold only a 1.5&#37; lead over blacks for welfare.

Be blind to the numbers if you wish, but your only fooling yourself.

yep in fact Hispanics are slightly more than blacks and yet have HALF the number of people on welfare. Of course there is going to be more whites on welfare there are more white than everyone else combined. Fact is there are more blacks in prison and on welfare as a % of their population than any other race. and don't blame whitey or "the man" Hispanics and Asians don't have it any easier than blacks.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

I was making an argument on his points.

Of course whites are the majority. Whites have been surpressing blacks and other minorities.

Slavery, rockefeller laws, war on drugs...

U.S. Constitution once counted Black slaves as worth three-fifths of whites.

Today black per capita income is three-fifths of whites. Blacks had nothing, no skills, no voices, ........

Barack Obama encompasses America and the dream of all black slaves. I rather believe in a canditate that inspires hope and change....then one who wants war and keep the status quo

Slavery ended 143 years ago. Blacks have been able to use any bathroom they wanted for the last 40 years. No more excuses.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by GatorB

yep in fact Hispanics are slightly more than blacks and yet have HALF the number of people on welfare. Of course there is going to be more whites on welfare there are more white than everyone else combined. Fact is there are more blacks in prison and on welfare as a % of their population than any other race. and don't blame whitey or "the man" Hispanics and Asians don't have it any easier than blacks.

Aren't you the same guy who in another thread keep telling us that America is so racist that Obama will never get elected. Now, in this thread, you're telling us that Blacks don't face racism and that black prison populations have nothing to do with racism.

[TheSenator]

Originally Posted by robfantasy

wow so for the total population of america, 37.2 % of people on welfare are black, and 38.8% are white

when there are 6 x more of a white population than a black popluation in america

so thank you for proving my point

So here we are....

I was trying to save you.

Originally Posted by robfantasy

as you grow older and gain life experience in the REAL world you become wiser and you form opinions based on recurring observations and statistical patterns which are irrefutable

The question comes down to this:
Are you a racist?

According to stats and observation, you should be burning crosses and hanging nooses on trees.

[TheSenator]

Originally Posted by Mike33

Aren't you the same guy who in another thread keep telling us that America is so racist that Obama will never get elected. Now, in this thread, you're telling us that Blacks don't face racism and that black prison populations have nothing to do with racism.

That is what I thought too....

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Mike33

Aren't you the same guy who in another thread keep telling us that America is so racist that Obama will never get elected. Now, in this thread, you're telling us that Blacks don't face racism and that black prison populations have nothing to do with racism.

Don't you READ?

If the last 2 election haven't taught you anything is that a SMALL % of voters can make or break an election. A 2%-3% change in the white vote because of race can win the election for the GOP. How you constru that to mean that I said all of america is racist is beyond me.

Is there still some racism? sure. funny how hispanics and asians( many who don't even speak english ) can overcome that to succeed.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

That is what I thought too....

Oh wait aren't you and pussyserver the ones saying Obama is going to change things? Yet you claim blacks can't get ahead because of racism. Well if there is so much racism how can Obama change anything? He'll be preventd by the racists.

[TheSenator]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Don't you READ?

If the last 2 election haven't taught you anything is that a SMALL % of voters can make or break an election. A 2%-3% change in the white vote because of race can win the election for the GOP. How you constru that to mean that I said all of america is racist is beyond me.

Is there still some racism? sure. funny how hispanics and asians( many who don't even speak english ) can overcome that to succeed.

Poverty is a cycle. Breaking the cycle of poverty is a hurdle that many blacks fail to overcome.

Other races usually have some type of help from other family members. Hispanics, Jews and Asians always pool there money together to buy themselves a house.

Black people don't because they come from broken homes.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Poverty is a cycle. Breaking the cycle of poverty is a hurdle that many blacks fail to overcome.

Other races usually have some type of help from other family members. Hispanics, Jews and Asians always pool there money together to buy themselves a house.

Black people don't because they come from broken homes.

And who's fault is that? whitey?

it's a cycle because they get welfare and they think of it as a lifestyle instead of TEMPORARY help as it was intended. This goes for whites too. where I live there are very few blacks. All kind of whites that are on welfare and stay on it. I don't care what color you are when you basically stealing my money so you don't have to work then I get pissy.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Black people don't because they come from broken homes.

Generalize much? Is massa selling off the fathers to other plantations or something?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Don't you READ?

If the last 2 election haven't taught you anything is that a SMALL % of voters can make or break an election. A 2%-3% change in the white vote because of race can win the election for the GOP. How you constru that to mean that I said all of america is racist is beyond me.

Ok, I got it. If and when the race is close racism will be the deciding factor.

Originally Posted by GatorB

Is there still some racism? sure. funny how hispanics and asians( many who don't even speak english ) can overcome that to succeed.

To be fair, I don't think those comparisons are truly applicable.

[OTerror]

This guy is a great speaker.

[ninavain]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

I can break down your arguments like a break down a white belts in jiu-jitsu.

"population in prison statistics"
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/jailrace.htm


Chew on that for awhile....

OWNED!

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by ninavain

OWNED!

Not really

"Between 1990 and 2006, the number of white and Hispanic jail inmates increased at the same average annual rate. The number black inmates increased at a slower pace. "

that's because most blacks are already in prison.

fact is 1 out of every 10 black males between 15-40 is either in prison, jail on parole or on probation. No other race has that many.

funny how some of you one the one hand want to claim that blacks don't have any issues with racism, poverty or crime and yet use those very same things as an excuse to why blacks are so far behind other races. which is it?

[robfantasy]

Originally Posted by ninavain

OWNED!

LOL he is owned

whites outnumber blacks 6 to 1 in the US population

[baddog]

Originally Posted by OTerror

This guy is a great speaker.

So am I. Does that make me qualified to be president?

Originally Posted by ninavain

OWNED!

I get the feeling you don't know what "owned" means if you think so.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Mike33

To be fair, I don't think those comparisons are truly applicable.

Why not?

[Drake]

Originally Posted by baddog

Why not?

Many reasons, just a few:

-Hispanic isn't a race; nor is there parity between Hispanics and Asians in terms of "success"
-Asian Americans aren't a representative sample (the best brightest with money emigrate to the US). One can compare Black African immigrants with Asian Americans for a more valid comparison.
-racial divisiveness has been greatest among American blacks and whites, (think Jim Crow, slavery, etc), and Native Americans.

This isn't to say that there aren't cultural issues unique to Black Americans that could be done away with for their betterment. It's just to say that when making raw comparisons of the kind made by GatorB, a lot of confounding variables are introduced.

[robfantasy]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

So here we are....

I was trying to save you.



The question comes down to this:
Are you a racist?

According to stats and observation, you should be burning crosses and hanging nooses on trees.

a racist? im a realist. i am educated and i care about the future of this country..

i am sick of uneducated, obnoxious, self centered, excuse driven morons who leach off public services like welfare, health care, and public education and have no consideration for anyone else and feel that they are entitled to everything without having to work for it.

doesnt matter what color you are because these type of people are present in all races..

im racist against idiots no matter what color

[robfantasy]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

So here we are....

I was trying to save you.



The question comes down to this:
Are you a racist?

According to stats and observation, you should be burning crosses and hanging nooses on trees.

a racist? im a realist. i am educated and i care about the future of this country..

i am sick of uneducated, obnoxious, self centered, excuse driven morons who leach off public services like welfare, health care, and public education and have no consideration for anyone else and feel that they are entitled to everything without having to work for it.

doesnt matter what color you are because these type of people are present in all races..

im racist against idiots no matter what color

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by robfantasy

a racist? im a realist. i am educated and i care about the future of this country..

i am sick of uneducated, obnoxious, self centered, excuse driven morons who leach off public services like welfare, health care, and public education and have no consideration for anyone else and feel that they are entitled to everything without having to work for it.

doesnt matter what color you are because these type of people are present in all races..

im racist against idiots no matter what color

you are not educated stop the lies LMAO

where did you go to school??

LMAO

geesh lol

[robfantasy]

Originally Posted by pussyserver

you are not educated stop the lies LMAO

where did you go to school??

LMAO

geesh lol

book smarts and street smarts

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=i8mG5qfDXL4

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[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Slavery ended 143 years ago. Blacks have been able to use any bathroom they wanted for the last 40 years. No more excuses.

143 year is really not a long time for wealth to even out. Especially considering forces suppressing their ability to vote, get educated, get jobs, and borrow money to build capital. This will take centuries to balance itself. You can't have one segment of the population own all the money, power, and land, then expect it to be equal in such a short time. Wealth carries on from generation to generation and carries with it the ability to have a headstart in society.

This isn't an excuse as their are elements to the black culture that make an individual more condusive to commiting crimes. But it is important to factor in that crime rises with poverty and lower levels of education.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by robfantasy

its not race that divides people, its education and values that divides people.

no one is born a racist..

i remember when i was younger i always was for equality and always trying to support the idea of treat everyone the same..

i was naive

as you grow older and gain life experience in the REAL world you become wiser and you form opinions based on recurring observations and statistical patterns which are irrefutable

that is why the most racist people are old people.

there is no way obama will win, there is no way the silent majority will allow that

You are correct, no one is born a racist. However, based on many studies, racists tend to have lower IQs, been raised by lower educated parents, and majored in less challenging studies.

As for your comment on age, that is more likely due to the fact that older people lived through more racist times. In fact, back in the 50's it was shown that the average age for racism was 12 years old, with it diminishing greatly upon adulthood. Most likely the reason you see older people more racist is because they grew up under racial tension and heavy prejudice from family. Younger generations grow up in more diverse situations where race is not as much a factor in their lives.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Is there still some racism? sure. funny how hispanics and asians( many who don't even speak english ) can overcome that to succeed.

They can? A hispanic male is 3 times as likely to end up in prison than a white male. They account for almost a 3rd of individuals in federal prison.

As for success, they own under 5&#37; of businesses in the country and have a median household income $10,000 less than a white household.

[Pornwolf]

I don't think I would want to argue with Pocket Kangaroo.

He's posting some pretty hard & unbiased facts. Which is surprising considering he's living in one of the most racist cities in the United States.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

They can? A hispanic male is 3 times as likely to end up in prison than a white male. They account for almost a 3rd of individuals in federal prison.

As for success, they own under 5% of businesses in the country and have a median household income $10,000 less than a white household.

I comparing hispanics to BLACKS.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

143 year is really not a long time for wealth to even out. Especially considering forces suppressing their ability to vote, get educated, get jobs, and borrow money to build capital. This will take centuries to balance itself. You can't have one segment of the population own all the money, power, and land, then expect it to be equal in such a short time. Wealth carries on from generation to generation and carries with it the ability to have a headstart in society.

This isn't an excuse as their are elements to the black culture that make an individual more condusive to commiting crimes. But it is important to factor in that crime rises with poverty and lower levels of education.

Then how is Obama going to change anything? You can't have it both ways. Either the US in now enlightened or it's not. You can't say America is ready for a black prez, but yet "the man" continues to hold down the brothas.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Then how is Obama going to change anything? You can't have it both ways. Either the US in now enlightened or it's not. You can't say America is ready for a black prez, but yet "the man" continues to hold down the brothas.

Obama isn't going to change shit. I never said he was. All these people are the same in the end. They care about getting elected, getting their buddies some power, and appeasing the people who helped make it happen. They'd slit anyone of our throats for a chance at being in the White House. And even if they were the rare breed who actually wants to change things, there is no way Congress or the lobbyists in power would allow it to happen.

And I'm not saying the man is holding down the brothas. I'm saying that it's wrong to blame the problems facing blacks strictly on the type of melanin in their body. There are huge gaps in poverty and education. There is no way that you can overcome those gaps within a few generations when all the power and all the money was in the hands of whites.

Take this for an example. Take the great-great grandson of some redneck hick in Arkansas. Now take the great-great grandson of Bill Gates. Which one is most likely to be succesful? You just can't expect a race that had nothing in this country to make up that gap in the matter of a few generations when power and money play such an influential role in who we become.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

I don't think I would want to argue with Pocket Kangaroo.

He's posting some pretty hard & unbiased facts. Which is surprising considering he's living in one of the most racist cities in the United States.

Why do you feel Chicago is so racist? I'm sure there are racist elements to the city, but I never felt an underlying problem here. There are a lot of black and hispanic elected officials in the city. Heck, the County President and a few of our US Representatives are black.

Not knocking your opinion, just wondering why you say that.

[tony286]

he is a great speaker.

[Pornwolf]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Why do you feel Chicago is so racist? I'm sure there are racist elements to the city, but I never felt an underlying problem here. There are a lot of black and hispanic elected officials in the city. Heck, the County President and a few of our US Representatives are black.

Not knocking your opinion, just wondering why you say that.

I spent a lot of years there. In comparison to the other top 10 market cities I've lived in, as well as some smaller cities you would think should be worse, the mentality of the people in Chicago overall is not where it should be.

Did you ever notice how heavily segmented it is by race.

Spend some time in other major cities and you will immediately feel the difference when you come back to Chicago.