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				NATS makes slashdot.org. Ouch.
			 
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	Keith writes "Tens of thousands ? or maybe more ? accounts to adult websites were recently declared compromised and apparently have been that way since some time in October 2007. The break occurred when the NATS software used to track and manage sales and affiliate revenues was accessed by an intruder. The miscreant apparently discovered a list of admin passwords residing on an unsecured office server at Too Much Media, which makes and maintains NATS installations for adult companies. It would appear that Too Much Media knew of the breach back in October, and rather than fixing the issue tried to bury it by threatening to sue anyone in the adult industry who talked about it." The article gives suggestions for anyone who opened an account at any adult website in the last several months. [+] security, ohnoes, theinternetisforporn (tagging beta) Thanks minusonbit!  | 
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		 ouch.. thats no good.. I really hope John and TMM come out ahead in this.. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
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		 do you think John is enjoying his Christmas? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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		 Some other coverage, which is going to be small frys now. I'll wait for CNN to call at this point. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
	http://www.fxpr.com/credit-cards/ide...mpromised.html http://skirmisher.org/daily-gaggle/s...like-real-men/ http://truemors.com/?p=21395 http://webfroze.com/2007/12/23/tens-...s-compromised/ http://twitter.com/guykawasaki/  | 
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		 is this any surprise since the the owners of that sight post here? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
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	Yep, there was a breach, and it was handled badly. But this FUD that you're spreading on the WORLD STAGE is simply WRONG. Your main point is that you say that members and users have likely had their CC info yanked. YOU KNOW THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE. 50% of the slashdot thread is people laughing about torrenting porn anyhow. The industry NEVER gets a fair light, and you're doing your best job to fuck it up even further. 'Punish' TMM all you want, but do it with the fucking thruth. I can't believe the shit I'm reading / you wrote just to pump up your cock.  | 
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		 It is very hard to get put up on Slashdot. I don't think it would be there is they didn't think it was news worthy. And they are not going to help the adult industry whitewash this issue, nor should they. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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		 Mmmhmm, but posting an article full of lies, now THAT'S news. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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 whitewash a issue... no that should never be done if the issue has merit is it possible that this issue affects them and any pay sites they may or may not run.. well I guess that's between them and their legal council 
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 You guys all want to come and try to rescue John from his own demise go for it. He made his bed and I am just helping him lay in it. This whole issue is a toilet and I am going to flush it. NATS may very well be gone in the next 30 days. I think this is the end of John, myself. And I couldn't be happier. Most of you don't like my tactics. I tell it how it is. I don't belive in solving things in a backroom behind closed doors. And I am cool with those who think there is a better way of doing stuff. But once this is all over, none of you will ever fuck up like this. And the industry - what is left of it - will be a better place as a direct result of what I have done here this weekend. I need to go tend the servers now. I am tailing the logs and this is gonna be a traffic slam for sure. I need to go start getting ready for it, i.e. converting to static pages and such. I have always wanted to load test this box, now I am gonna get my chance.  | 
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 Whether TMM are guilty as sin or not is now immaterial - because you've done your hardest to spread lies, mainly that CC data was compromised. Doesn't matter if you live in John's ass or if you're in I-hate-TMM land, it's a lie, and it's ONLY gonig to reflect poorly on the industry. Congratulations, arsehole. If you were in adult, I'd say while you were tailing logs, watch your sales plummet too, but you're not, so hey.  | 
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		 Not true.  Again, shit that was made up by people with their own agendas.  We asked for contact info for a law firm to send a C&D as people had said they were spreading false info.  Far from trying to cover something up. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
	
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 the issue at hand is.. why would anyone with a heartbeat fall in line with you to go after them? at this time I have not been affected by this issue and because I havent been affected I'm not going to jump on your wheel less bandwagon carrying torches and lighting fire to anyone and everyone. It takes a smart man to survive the jungle... you gotta know when to hold them and know when to fold them. 
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 No offense to John and TMM, but NATS does not have 95% market penetration. I would guess that the number of adult sites with affiliate programs of any kind, much less NATS specifically, is far less than 95%. The notion that everyone is going to think it is safer to go to a malware-ridden torrent site now than properly join a site which produces content they enjoy . . . well, I don't think that is good for the industry or the consumers. 
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		 Yep, thats what I get for misreading it.  Well, maybe for staying up until 8am on this board.  I think it is time for some sleep. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
	
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		 I never said that YOU said that, John. It was an estimate that I gleaned from somewhere. Someone claimed it. But it was not attributed to you. I have since revised it to 35%-40% which seems to be the consensus. I do have to say I have never seen anyone bitch about someone claiming they have a lock on a market. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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 It's unfortunate for all the hue and cry that have been going on here, that the WMs don't care enough to go onto slashdot and bury this clown like he deserves. He just posted, joke of jokes, in the discussion that "I care about privacy" - which each one of the 300 webmasters who had their shit posted would agree to, right? Seriously people,. take 5 mins to defend the industry reputation against this clown.  | 
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 We ALL AGREE that TMM fucked up in a major fashion. What we're objecting to is YOU propogating lies and FUD about the industry and the situation about stolen credit cards etc in public. This is no longer about TMM and the world, this is about YOU LYING and spreading bullshit. Bury TMM if you want, I don't give a fuck. But stop making false fucking claims.  | 
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		 I read the story at /. earlier today and I think quantum-x did a good job in clarifying the whole situation. Apart from the usual +5, Funny posts, anyone who reads the comments now knows that no CC info was stolen - and that's what matters for the customer IMHO. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			It's the affiliates that are affected the most, as the hacker might have their SSN - for the consumer it's just an increase in spam, which they're probably used to anyway. 
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