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After Shock Media 10-06-2007 02:04 AM
Point taken.
I am either on many peoples ignore list or Will gets read more often and I get skimmed over. :winkwink:

Jace 10-06-2007 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 13196362)
Well Will76 came into thread guess it's pretty much down hill from here people.

Threads dead.
omfg

http://rofl.wheresthebeef.co.uk/Pot%...le%20Black.jpg

Jace 10-06-2007 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 13196378)
Point taken.
I am either on many peoples ignore list or Will gets read more often and I get skimmed over. :winkwink:
will just writes a book with every rambling post, and on gfy anything over 3 lines is skipped over, so if you posted above or below him you are fucked

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 10-06-2007 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 13196373)
There is not a single free trial paysite that has even 10% of what twistys has. That i guarantee
Like I said it's down hill from here folks...
It can only get worse.

will76 10-06-2007 02:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 13196362)
Well Will76 came into thread guess it's pretty much down hill from here people.

Threads dead.
yeap, the bullshit you trying pass off will be ripped to shreads with me in here now. :winkwink:

will76 10-06-2007 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Jace (Post 13196389)
will just writes a book with every rambling post, and on gfy anything over 3 lines is skipped over, so if you posted above or below him you are fucked
i will try to write less :Oh crap

will76 10-06-2007 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 13196396)
Like I said it's down hill from here folks...
It can only get worse.
lol right it can only get worse when you start trying to tell people that 10 cross sales prechecked are a good thing because it gives the surfer more options... and only a couple surfers are stupid all the rest are smart and uncheck it if they dont want it. but the ones who don't uncheck it thats because they wanted it. 10 prechecked cross sales adds value, and that is what the surfer is looking for value. :warning:helpme

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 10-06-2007 02:26 AM
Yer right Will76, I think ya should just be against the whole Free Trial thing I mean with Referral Matrix I am sure all the sponsors ya got on there do not engage in this practice of Free Trials and none of them do cross sales.

I bet they will be very glad to pay you for slamming the way they do business. Infact if you do not like the way they do business why do you even refer webmasters to them on that platform?

How against free trials are you?
Put up or shut up.

If you are against it why do refer webmasters to them?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 10-06-2007 02:32 AM
If you are against this practice why do you got WEG Cash Announcements on your forum at Referral Matrix?

Why do you send webmasters to those programs to promote "The attrocity of Scamming" Consumers?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 10-06-2007 02:33 AM
I guess yer owned at this point.

Go to bed, say your tired or something, or ya gotta go sit at the pool with some whores rather than argue on a web board...

I know, ya got better things to do right?

Jace 10-06-2007 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 13196405)
i will try to write less :Oh crap
hey, at least you are knowledgable, AlienQ is just delusional in thinking people care what he has to say or takes anything he says seriously

Jace 10-06-2007 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 13196424)
If you are against this practice why do you got WEG Cash Announcements on your forum at Referral Matrix?

Why do you send webmasters to those programs to promote "The attrocity of Scamming" Consumers?
he runs a directory of programs that people can chose from, it is up to the people to decide whether or not they want to engage in that sort of activity

and if he starts leaving off programs from his directory for personal reasons then it is all downhill from there, why would anyone trust anything he had to say?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 10-06-2007 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Jace (Post 13196444)
he runs a directory of programs that people can chose from, it is up to the people to decide whether or not they want to engage in that sort of activity

and if he starts leaving off programs from his directory for personal reasons then it is all downhill from there, why would anyone trust anything he had to say?
Shut up, I invented SPIN.

After Shock Media 10-06-2007 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 13196448)
Shut up, I invented SPIN.
We are not talking about things you do on a cock. :winkwink:

Az A Bay Bay 10-06-2007 02:54 AM
???????? idk ????

RichC 10-06-2007 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 13196159)
the 1 and only reason for 2 or 3 prechecked cross sales = greed
go hug a tree you fucking hippie
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5Pt_7wtztww

esnem 10-06-2007 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 13195911)
Well I got fucked hard by vista print once by a pre checked cross sell and Im pretty computer friendly. I worked for a mainstream dot com , insurance quotes you have no clue the fucking stupid questions I would get from surfers on a daily basis.
tony, can you name the mainstream dot com you worked for because you bring it up almost daily as to lend to your credibility. what was your role in the organization?

alienq, you giving shap business advice is fucking hilarious. shap will piss on you any day without even noticing. your head is far up your ass.

pocketkangaroo, you're an idiot. get out of this thread.

RichC makes more money than you 3 combined. in a month.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 10-06-2007 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by esnem (Post 13196631)
tony, can you name the mainstream dot com you worked for because you bring it up almost daily as to lend to your credibility. what was your role in the organization?

alienq, you giving shap business advice is fucking hilarious. shap will piss on you any day without even noticing. your head is far up your ass.

pocketkangaroo, you're an idiot. get out of this thread.

RichC makes more money than you 3 combined. in a month.
Idiot...

esnem 10-06-2007 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 13196656)
Idiot...
your chargeback analysis of the free trial model was less than perfect, let's just leave it at that. and please don't try to name drop where you used to work, because i know you never made any decisions. stick to deciding if your white balance is correct.

esnem 10-06-2007 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by RichC (Post 13196539)
go hug a tree you fucking hippie
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5Pt_7wtztww
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bvZ2roRDPYU

Jace 10-06-2007 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by esnem (Post 13196688)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=yZ9o1KHi-mY

Quick Buck 10-06-2007 05:20 AM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GJunv3Leqjs

CurrentlySober 10-06-2007 06:36 AM
300 Scammers!

Rui 10-06-2007 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by esnem (Post 13191996)
I have never based my business decisions on the GFY morality surfer police :warning
No need for you to clarify on that, its pretty easy to see how you do evaluate your business decisions :error

Edit: You must have magical powers btw, if you dont know them or (...) they are surfers, yeah! :thumbsup

Rui 10-06-2007 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by scoreman (Post 13192522)
Can you make more money doing this type of cross selling? Sure, of course. Does it take advantage of the surfer and bend him over? Yes of course. Anyone who denies this just isn't credible.

The same arguments I am hearing from those who think this is ok, are the same arguments that we heard about mailers and selling and buying membership databases. I am sure that even the hardcore crooks like the Babenet crew or Crescent who flat out ran bogus billings against credit card databases could also rationalize about how it makes alot of money or how others have done it for years.

The real truth that these people don't want to face up to is that its totally possible to make great money being upfront and ethical with your customer base. Your just being greedy and contributing to the adult industry being viewed as a bunch of scumbags.
Nice to see old timers actually thinking like that, then again many that don't aren't around anymore (after milking the industry) or have seen their bottom line decrease over the years (hence the need to support and rely on content theft, spyware,etc..) :)

tony286 10-06-2007 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by esnem (Post 13196631)
tony, can you name the mainstream dot com you worked for because you bring it up almost daily as to lend to your credibility. what was your role in the organization?

alienq, you giving shap business advice is fucking hilarious. shap will piss on you any day without even noticing. your head is far up your ass.

pocketkangaroo, you're an idiot. get out of this thread.

RichC makes more money than you 3 combined. in a month.
Please show links from the past 14 days, show 7 and I will tell you. I signed up affiliates from the small affiliate site had to have at least 100k a month in traffic to webmd and when the lay offs started and my boss quit it was just me. The main thing they did was insurance software and the net wasnt happening for them like they hoped.
Even without mainstream , Ive owned my own sites for 7 plus years and its how Ive made my living for the past 5. So when cb ratio's drop or things like paypal go out of business I feel it because it fucks directly with my business.if you get klixxx and pull out oct 06 issue im on the cover:)

tony286 10-06-2007 08:09 AM
correction I meant paypal go out of the adult business.

Phoenix 10-06-2007 08:14 AM
i skipped this whole thread

Shap if you dont want to make the most money...that is your choice,
but publicly calling another company scammers....that is sorta low

maybe you should make another 5500 page view thread where you apologize


want to make the most? hire someone that knows about PPS affiliate programs

its not rocket science

[illnet]-Romeo 10-06-2007 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Jace (Post 13196055)
what I think Visa/Mastercard needs to do is initiate some sort of "solid charge" process, which means the surfer has to go through more hoops to use his card on certain sites (i.e. extra verification methods, etc.) and then if they chose to charge back, they can't...and then visa needs to tell us "hey, porn surfers can ONLY use the "solid charge" cards/method on your paysites"

it doesn't have to be exactly as I said, but something so that porn card charges can't be charged back, or they can be, but it is VERY hard

as it stands now, anyone with a Visa card can charge anything back at any time with NO hassle...and that is HORRIBLE
Congratulations, you've somehow managed to make the most ignorant post in this thread.

tony286 10-06-2007 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 13197145)
i skipped this whole thread

Shap if you dont want to make the most money...that is your choice,
but publicly calling another company scammers....that is sorta low

maybe you should make another 5500 page view thread where you apologize


want to make the most? hire someone that knows about PPS affiliate programs

its not rocket science
Again thats all fine if a business worked in a bubble,they dont. Others actions affect the whole industry not just that one company.

12clicks 10-06-2007 08:42 AM
I predict this thread will take a turn for the dumb now that the weekend has arrived and the pretenders show up

will76 10-06-2007 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 13196427)
I guess yer owned at this point.

Go to bed, say your tired or something, or ya gotta go sit at the pool with some whores rather than argue on a web board...

I know, ya got better things to do right?
owned :1orglaugh yeah man, you owned me. Your logic trumpts mine and i am just an idiot. thanks for pointing it out.

Where did I go? considering it was about 4am I went...... to sleep. Something I prefered doing rather than sitting up and arguing with the wall. I mean you.

You are a complete moron, which everyone knows. I never said i was against free trials. I even said 1 pre checked cross box appears to be the standard and i don't see anything wrong with that. Your reading comprehension sucks.

BTW, just because I think someone doing 3 pre checked cross sales, or 5 that matter is "greed" doesn't mean I am not going to do business with them. If they want to do 100 prechecked cross sales thats their choice. Besides pointing out that I think it is stupid and done so for greed, but that is just my opinion. My post here were in response to your idiot logic that more prechecked boxes the better, because it ads value for the surfer, which makes you look like as smart as rock for making such comments.

good job owning me rock. :thumbsup

Snake Doctor 10-06-2007 08:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 13197145)

Shap if you dont want to make the most money...that is your choice,
but publicly calling another company scammers....that is sorta low
I could probably make the most money by selling crack to kids.
I guess if I don't do that and instead choose to call crack dealers scumbags then that makes me a bad businessman and "low" for calling the crack dealers names.

Quickdraw 10-06-2007 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Quick Buck (Post 13196805)
....
Any comments about the spyware popping your join page over ccbill join pages?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quickdraw (Post 13190505)
Here is something else with XXXpass.

This came up as I was checking out a sponsors CCBill join page. (I had to make the popup smaller so you could see what it popped over.)
The trigger was "bill.ccbill.com"
Hotbar == Zango
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1...xxxpassok7.jpg

jpv 10-06-2007 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 13195889)
It's amusing that many of ya people think Subscribers to websites are dumb unintelligent Larvea with credit cards.

I think many of you need to update your thoughts on the intelligence of todays average adult site subscriber.

They are not dumb people, they are smart enough to know where free content is, dumb enough to know how to share content, dumb enough to propogate to the best Free porn has to offer, all the way to the best TGP's and Video sites.

Surfers and subscribers are not dumb, many are just as smart as you or me.
Sure there are a couple dumb ones once in a while that stand out, kinda just like they do on GFY as webmasters.

SO the argument that surfers do not see the cross sales and pre check's or even the option to check is flat. You would know this if you ran a FREE TRIAL program or had inside knowledge of it's workings.

People are not dumb???

Here is a perfect example:

People sign up to my site and choose their username and password. They get an email confirming their username and password. They go to my login page... on my login page I have a notice "your username and pass is cAsE SenSItivE" so I won't get so many emails from members who enter their login with the wrong case.

So what happens?...

Every day my password security was shutting down the username "cAsE" because these morons were entering "cAsE" as their username and "SenSItivE" as their pass! I had to permanently ban the username cAsE!

but people are smart :1orglaugh

pocketkangaroo 10-06-2007 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by esnem (Post 13196631)
pocketkangaroo, you're an idiot. get out of this thread.
Coming from someone who thinks it is legit to IM friends and have them sign up under your affiliate code on a PPS sponsor, I'm not too upset.

TheAmericanCannibal 10-06-2007 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by J$tyle$ (Post 13195828)
That's not what I was saying at all.

Seriously, re-read my post and DON'T read between the lines. I meant exactly what I said. Read carefully ... all of it ... read about friendly fraud - read about webmasters wanting HUGE PPS $$$ and not wanting to wait to get paid a little bit per month spread out like an annuity ... clearly understand the way most webmasters prefer to get paid and how that affects the way some companies choose their path to profitability.

BTW, does that mean you think CB ratios should be STILL be 5%? Honestly? 5 out every 100 people SHOULD be able to charge back and that's an acceptable number of dissatisfied customers to you?

You can blame those playing the high risk game for the state of the business today or blame them and everyone else in the food chain - because the simple fact is that things are the way they are for many reasons.

Here's a short list. You can

* Blame CC-Bill and Paycom for allowing mom and pops to enter the business for $750 and crappy paysite designs with shitty content.

* Blame surfers wives for calling in to reverse charges when WE KNOW their husbands whacked it to a porn site twice last month while some webmaster just made $30 - $50 and the program is upside down on those sales.

Blame the guys that sign up and cancel 2 minutes after signing up while some webmaster just made $30 - $50 and the program is upside down on those sales.

* Blame Webmasters for wanting MORE than a one months membership to refer a sale.

* Blame NATS for allowing 100's of programs to open doors for pennies per month featuring sites with 20 video clips and 100 image sets.

* Blame TGP's.

* Blame Tube sites

* Blame P2p Networks

Or just work harder and smarter yourself and stop worrying about what everyone else is doing and trying to place blame.

You seem like a good guy, Tony - but you have a propensity to take things out of context a lot when you post. None of this is personal :winkwink:
Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!

J$tyle$ just used the word "propensity" in a post on GFY!
Now I have seen everything.


PS GO CLEVELAND INDIANS!!!!

will76 10-06-2007 09:10 AM
IMO: someone who has prechecked cross sales is not scamming people.

If they choose to have 1,3,5, or 10 that is up them. I think everyone here(besides 1 idiot) will agree the surfer really doesn't want it and the sponsor only does it to try to make more money. Which is fine, but at some point it just gets rediculas. Either way it doesnt affect me directly so I really don't care. Im just calling it what it is, if people want to do it that is up them. Trying to make excuses for doing it lame. If you do it, why not just say " we do it to make as much money as possible because some people miss the checked boxes so we nail them."

fuzebox 10-06-2007 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by J$tyle$ (Post 13195828)
* Blame CC-Bill and Paycom for allowing mom and pops to enter the business for $750 and crappy paysite designs with shitty content.
Ironically some of the biggest programs out there have the worst tours and worst content. :1orglaugh

TheAmericanCannibal 10-06-2007 09:26 AM
pro·pen·si·ty /prəˈpɛnsɪti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pruh-pen-si-tee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?noun, plural -ties. 1. a natural inclination or tendency: a propensity to drink too much.
2. Obsolete. favorable disposition or partiality.


[Origin: 1560?70; propense + -ity]
?Synonyms 1. bent, leaning, disposition, penchant, proclivity.

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