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makefuckingmoney 10-04-2007 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 13188021)
If it's such a great deal why won't paycom and ccbill let me run that offer to my surfers?

you mean the lowest trial they will let you run is $24.95 on twistys? wow that does seem outrageous. I didn't know it was like that against you guys. I would be pissed at Wedg too.

NinjaSteve 10-04-2007 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 13187804)
not a scam but not cool because for the most part surfers dont read and thats why prechecked cross sales work and thats why we have a 1% cb ratio because of all the people that charged back when getting all these charges they didnt read about.

It is the responsibility of the consumer to read the terms before they join. Nothing is hidden on adult join forms and it's as easy as clicking a check box. Why would a consumer not read what they're buying on the join form? That's pretty dumb of them.

Shap 10-04-2007 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC (Post 13188039)

LOL Damn the weg cash fan club is logging on to come to their defense. I'm honored my thread was important enough for you to make your 3rd useless post of the year here.

uno 10-04-2007 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 13187914)
A little business advice.
Mind your own...

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Need... to... breathe...

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Yes Shap, please take business advice from Alien. We all know how miserably you have failed at everything you do and could sure use his priceless advice.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

fuzebox 10-04-2007 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 13187786)
To summarize the surfer who thought they were getting a free trial is really getting access to 3 different sites for $1.37 for 3 days and will be billed $113.40 in 3 days time.

The industry was built on bullshit like that... I can't believe people are still doing it :(

peterk 10-04-2007 02:56 PM

Many sponsors are using this system and it is not a scam :)

Timbo 10-04-2007 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 13188021)
If it's such a great deal why won't paycom and ccbill let me run that offer to my surfers?

hahahaha
Shap,

My, my, how vocal you have been this week about how other people should run their businesses. Torrents, cross sales, what's next? Let me tell you how this works.

a.) read the join form and uncheck the boxes
b.) read the join form and uncheck the boxes

Keyword here, is read. Did that help? :thumbsup

Jace 10-04-2007 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 13187914)
Shap whats happened to you dude?

When we were at XPICS ya didnt have many qualms about that sort of thing.

A little business advice.
Mind your own...

are you fucking serious?

Shap 10-04-2007 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by makefuckingmoney (Post 13188045)
you mean the lowest trial they will let you run is $24.95 on twistys? wow that does seem outrageous. I didn't know it was like that against you guys. I would be pissed at Wedg too.

Nice way to take my comment in an entirely different direction. You know exactly what I was saying and couldn't reply. Tell me if a free trial as well as a cross checked free trial and a $1.37 trial are such a great deal why won't paycom and ccbill let you and I run that offer?

Shap 10-04-2007 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 13188059)
hahahaha
Shap,

My, my, how vocal you have been this week about how other people should run their businesses. Torrents, cross sales, what's next? Let me tell you how this works.

a.) read the join form and uncheck the boxes
b.) read the join form and uncheck the boxes

Keyword here, is read. Did that help? :thumbsup

You sat here for that long and that was the best reply you could come up with? Wow. If that's the case again why won't paycom and ccbill allow their clients to run that type of offer?

Timbo 10-04-2007 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NinjaSteve (Post 13188048)
It is the responsibility of the consumer to read the terms before they join. Nothing is hidden on adult join forms and it's as easy as clicking a check box. Why would a consumer not read what they're buying on the join form? That's pretty dumb of them.

You sir, are correct!

Jason 10-04-2007 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC (Post 13188039)

Sexxxxxxy

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 10-04-2007 03:01 PM

Well I am gonan go back to scratching my 2 penny's together outside my cave, next to the trailer accross from the river.

Nice post Rich.

makefuckingmoney 10-04-2007 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC (Post 13188039)


344 posts in 6 years and probably all youtube videos. probably a bot.

who is wedgecash anyway?

BradShaw 10-04-2007 03:03 PM

Id rather spend my time figuring out how to join them then worrying about other peoples business practices. WEG is not exactly a fly by night operation (been doing biz with them for 8+ years), so they must be doing something right and staying within the VISA/MC guidelines.

Timbo 10-04-2007 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 13188070)
You sat here for that long and that was the best reply you could come up with? Wow. If that's the case again why won't paycom and ccbill allow their clients to run that type of offer?

Um....is that the best that YOU can come up with?
Paycom DOES allow their clients to run these offers you idiot. Apparently, you are not one of them.

RichC 10-04-2007 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by makefuckingmoney (Post 13188081)
344 posts in 6 years and probably all youtube videos. probably a bot.

who is wedgecash anyway?

make it 345, and roger out
https://youtube.com/watch?v=n-cLsNrL6W8

sextoyking 10-04-2007 03:04 PM

Timbo,

As the cool kids say "Word" on Point A and Point B.

Shap,

You can always get your own merchant accounts and do as you please - you decide the risk, etc.

SykkBoy 10-04-2007 03:04 PM

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=694846

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Secret #10 We do not make decisions based on someone else?s opinion.
Plenty of people disagreed with our pay site business model when we first started out. But we believed in it and we researched our decision, this is why it worked for us. Just because someone else doesn?t like your idea does not mean it is a bad one. The most important thing you can do for your future is to think through your ideas and research the validity of them. Doing this and coming up with a plan for executing your idea is 100 times more important than worrying what someone else thinks.

Interesting...
and actually pretty solid advice if I must say so myself...
I know I follow that advice...

Shap 10-04-2007 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 13188087)
Um....is that the best that YOU can come up with?
Paycom DOES allow their clients to run these offers you idiot. Apparently, you are not one of them.

Oh really? Paycom allows their clients to run free trials that offer pre checked cross sells to paid trials? Interesting. I'm sure rand will be thrilled to here you mentioning that for them.

sicone 10-04-2007 03:06 PM

I think cross sales on the join form are a great tool, but leave them unchecked and let the surfer decide. The truly are not as stupid as they were a few yrs back.

even better are up sales from within the members area

Mutt 10-04-2007 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 13188087)
Um....is that the best that YOU can come up with?
Paycom DOES allow their clients to run these offers you idiot. Apparently, you are not one of them.

Shap's an idiot? hmm - he seems to own one of the biggest most popular adult paysites on the Net and a pretty big traffic network - you on the other hand run a piece of shit program that is nothing but an upsell mill which no doubt upsells the people whose asses you kiss

buh bye bimbo.

Shap 10-04-2007 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BradShaw (Post 13188084)
Id rather spend my time figuring out how to join them then worrying about other peoples business practices. WEG is not exactly a fly by night operation (been doing biz with them for 8+ years), so they must be doing something right and staying within the VISA/MC guidelines.

There is no doubt they have perfected their system and know what the fuck they are doing. At the same time I do feel this practice is hurting the future of our industry for companies like ours that run sites based on treating the surfer like a king and giving them the best service and website experience possible.

BradShaw 10-04-2007 03:10 PM

The old timers are laughing to the bank... so I hear.

Shap 10-04-2007 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sicone (Post 13188104)
I think cross sales on the join form are a great tool, but leave them unchecked and let the surfer decide. The truly are not as stupid as they were a few yrs back.

even better are up sales from within the members area

I agree 100%

Shap 10-04-2007 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BradShaw (Post 13188128)
The old timers are laughing to the bank... so I hear.

I don't doubt that for a second. Rape the industry today and leave a mess for someone else to clean up tomorrow.

BradShaw 10-04-2007 03:14 PM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=6ldN7fsCum8

Timbo 10-04-2007 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 13188118)
Shap's an idiot? hmm - he seems to own one of the biggest most popular adult paysites on the Net and a pretty big traffic network - you on the other hand run a piece of shit program that is nothing but an upsell mill which no doubt upsells the people whose asses you kiss

buh bye bimbo.

Bimbo....haha, another idiot chimes in that thinks he knows me and my program. You know dick.

FreeFastHost 10-04-2007 03:19 PM

Money, it's a gas. Don't give me that do goody good bullshit.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4hkjkTe5kZE

webgurl 10-04-2007 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 13188101)
Oh really? Paycom allows their clients to run free trials that offer pre checked cross sells to paid trials? Interesting. I'm sure rand will be thrilled to here you mentioning that for them.

When u process high volumes , you get the
"special treatment" the norms don't know about especially with
CCbill and Epoch :upsidedow

Shap , i sent you 2 emails about some traffic trades
and none have you replied :Oh crap

Snake Doctor 10-04-2007 03:21 PM

I hate arguments on GFY where I happen to like both people arguing and can't get involved. :(

WiredGuy 10-04-2007 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 13188101)
Oh really? Paycom allows their clients to run free trials that offer pre checked cross sells to paid trials? Interesting. I'm sure rand will be thrilled to here you mentioning that for them.

As I recall, Paycom did allow that. I don't think they do anymore but may have grandfathered clients who were under the 1%. Don't quote me, but I'm pretty sure they did allow it. I don't think ccBill ever did.
WG

fuzebox 10-04-2007 03:26 PM

Interesting to see who is replying here.

PunkRockXXX 10-04-2007 03:28 PM

prechecked cross sales = scummiest biz tactic ever

aico 10-04-2007 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2 (Post 13188176)
I hate arguments on GFY where I happen to like both people arguing and can't get involved. :(

It's perfectly ok to argue with friends and people you like, name calling is something different.

Shap 10-04-2007 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 13188190)
As I recall, Paycom did allow that. I don't think they do anymore but may have grandfathered clients who were under the 1%. Don't quote me, but I'm pretty sure they did allow it. I don't think ccBill ever did.
WG

That is the key part of my argument. THEY DID ALLOW IT! They no longer do. Why would that be? I'm sure it would have nothing to do with the refunds and chargebacks such practices generate.

BradShaw 10-04-2007 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PunkRockXXX (Post 13188210)
prechecked cross sales = scummiest biz tactic ever

Ever ordered papa johns online and seen the cross sell to the magazines? Or gone out to eat and they are like, what kind of soup/salad do you want with your meal (although its not included).


Life is one big cross sell/upsell.

Sly 10-04-2007 03:32 PM

I don't know the last time I have seen so many program owners posting in one thread... holy fuck.

Anyone have tranny exit traffic for trade? How about a good deal on 500 Mbps? How about someone to buy a new 60 inch plasma for?

I can help you out with all of the above and so much more!

PunkRockXXX 10-04-2007 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BradShaw (Post 13188229)
Ever ordered papa johns online and seen the cross sell to the magazines? Or gone out to eat and they are like, what kind of soup/salad do you want with your meal (although its not included).


Life is one big cross sell/upsell.

but when you order a pizza from dominos.com do they have Cheese sticks or Extra topping prechecked ?

no

Digipimp 10-04-2007 03:33 PM

i thought those were the keys to success in the industry. spam, rape your customers and tgp all your content!


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