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Sly 10-04-2007 03:34 PM
You guys wouldn't believe this... the other day I set up some mail forwarding through the United States Postal Service online. They tried up selling me on 12 different magazines... I seriously shit you not. I about crapped myself.

Pics Traffic 10-04-2007 03:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shap (Post 13187786)
So I see WEG cash pin their announcement about free trials. So i check it out to see what they are doing. Just as their surfers would do I click the join button and here is the signup form i get....

http://www.twistyspreviews.com/wtf.jpg

So the surfers get here after clicking a page that says FREE Trial.

They are getting a free trial (which renews at $39.17) but wait that's not all

they also get a nice pre-checked cross sell for 3 days that costs $1.37 and renews and $34.86
AS WELL as another 3 day free trial that renews at $39.37.

To summarize the surfer who thought they were getting a free trial is really getting access to 3 different sites for $1.37 for 3 days and will be billed $113.40 in 3 days time.

So I guess my question is wtf how are they doing this and staying under 1% chargebacks? The interesting thing is vipweb.com and xxxpass.com look like two bullshit sites run by either them or some other big pps company trying to bang out charges back and forth with WEG.
If you think that’s a scam, check out that “member area”.
Its as old as.
http://www.prettyboring.com/files/im...__grease_l.jpg

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 10-04-2007 03:35 PM

Pirates>ninja 10-04-2007 03:37 PM
bbaaarrrghh
whats that little parrot? Shap is a moron?

this pirate agrees

bashing your competitors in an open forum is real stand up shap
i also dislike your attitude about how rich you think you are

id give an example of you being a total fuckin douchebag towards some people not in the business, but then my cover would be blown

anyway

fuck you are dumb

now i goes back to worksi

Jace 10-04-2007 03:39 PM
while I don't personally agree with prechecked cross sales, they are a part of life in porn AND normal sites

like shaw said, check out ANY godaddy order form or papa johns ordering, just to name a couple, and they are full of prechecked cross sales

everything has them, I would never use them personally, but it is up to the credit card owner to read EVERYTHING before he signs up...if he is too horny and signs up too fast, then that is his fault for being a horny idiot

SykkBoy 10-04-2007 03:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PunkRockXXX (Post 13188239)
but when you order a pizza from dominos.com do they have Cheese sticks or Extra topping prechecked ?

no
Actually, pizzahut.com has this thing where if you're going to order breadsticks, it'll already have the little "1" in the larger size.

I'm sure these guys would love to have things pre-checked....or maybe they aren't aware of what it could mean for extra sales...

Jace 10-04-2007 03:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SykkBoy2 (Post 13188276)
Actually, pizzahut.com has this thing where if you're going to order breadsticks, it'll already have the little "1" in the larger size.
yup, they sure do

the ONLY difference is that you eventually come to a page that gives you ALL the details of your order so you can review everything in VERY clear terms

Barefootsies 10-04-2007 03:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Franck (Post 13187793)
Welcome to the internet. First time you see this?

PunkRockXXX 10-04-2007 03:44 PM
so its kinda agreed that adult prechecked sales are often "disgusted" in hopes the surfer doesnt see them correct?

i mean why put * / ** / *** instead of price? pls spare me the bullshit of "its a formality"

PunkRockXXX 10-04-2007 03:49 PM
I'm all for making more money but geez...PREchecked...haha come on..

wheat 10-04-2007 03:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by peterk (Post 13188058)
Many sponsors are using this system and it is not a scam :)
Yes it is.

Matt 26z 10-04-2007 04:12 PM
Those of you "read the fucking terms" guys, do you honestly believe the average surfer is intending to join $100+ worth of sites at once?

Phil 10-04-2007 04:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt 26z (Post 13188441)
Those of you "read the fucking terms" guys, do you honestly believe the average surfer is intending to join $100+ worth of sites at once?
No, but thats how some people make money.

xNetworx 10-04-2007 04:20 PM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GDfToFcJ2J4

BradM 10-04-2007 04:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly (Post 13188249)
You guys wouldn't believe this... the other day I set up some mail forwarding through the United States Postal Service online. They tried up selling me on 12 different magazines... I seriously shit you not. I about crapped myself.
They were all prechecked?
I just did too and as far as I saw, none were checked off. I had to check and agree to the terms to process the address form.

KrisKross 10-04-2007 04:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjaSteve (Post 13188048)
It is the responsibility of the consumer to read the terms before they join. Nothing is hidden on adult join forms and it's as easy as clicking a check box. Why would a consumer not read what they're buying on the join form? That's pretty dumb of them.
While I agree 100% that the consumer has the responsibility of reading things carefully, the industry should also have the responsibility to make things very clear and to not take advantage of those who don't read the terms.

I can't think of one legitimate reason to have sales pre-checked.

Snake Doctor 10-04-2007 04:31 PM
So ummm, does anyone in this thread want to trade pre-checked cross sales? :1orglaugh

PunkRockXXX 10-04-2007 05:07 PM
bump bump bump bump

scum scum scum

Pornwolf 10-04-2007 05:27 PM
The shadiness of that porn join form ain't got nothin on Godaddy's tricks and other popular mainstream sites.

But, on the other hand, they aren't in a battle against free content so they can push their surfers a but further. Adult webmasters should know that for every surfer we lose because of shady practices there will not necessarily be another to replace him in the market. It's not exactly a zero sum game, but it's damn close now a days.

psili 10-04-2007 05:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lenny2 (Post 13188535)
So ummm, does anyone in this thread want to trade pre-checked cross sales? :1orglaugh
I made some hateful comments in a previous thread of yours, but this comment's pretty fucking funny.

Makes me wonder if those who post "i have a 3 billion opted email list for sale" threads work for the same companies that post "anyone have pre-checked cross-sells for sale".

RogerV 10-04-2007 06:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shap (Post 13188138)
I don't doubt that for a second. Rape the industry today and leave a mess for someone else to clean up tomorrow.
I can see where you?re coming from and I've done the free trial age verification thing years ago pre 2000.
I'm not doing it now but I don?t see what?s wrong with it. I truly think the surfers are much savvier now and days and I don?t think this type of marketing deceives them anymore.

what needs to stop is all the free hardcore content out there.

Ask anyone what sites they surf and they will mention a big TGP or torrent now and days. which i never understood why free porn cant be censored and make people pay for it:2 cents:

commonsense 10-04-2007 06:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pirates>ninja (Post 13188269)
bbaaarrrghh
whats that little parrot? Shap is a moron?

this pirate agrees

bashing your competitors in an open forum is real stand up shap
i also dislike your attitude about how rich you think you are

id give an example of you being a total fuckin douchebag towards some people not in the business, but then my cover would be blown

anyway

fuck you are dumb

now i goes back to worksi
Pretty sure they wouldn't be considered 'competitors', no matter how you look at it. :2 cents:

commonsense 10-04-2007 06:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MOCKBA (Post 13188254)
If you think that?s a scam, check out that ?member area?.
Its as old as.
http://www.prettyboring.com/files/im...__grease_l.jpg
:1orglaugh

12clicks 10-04-2007 06:24 PM
I'd like to take this opportunity to say that I'm buying Xsells from anyone with their own merchant account.
As someone who understands risk management, I found some posts in this thread humorous but at the end of the day, we all can't know what some of us know.

I'm paying top dollar for Xsells. find me, I'll make you rich. :winkwink:

mpahlca 10-04-2007 06:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by webgurl (Post 13188171)
When u process high volumes , you get the
"special treatment" the norms don't know about especially with
CCbill and Epoch :upsidedow

Shap , i sent you 2 emails about some traffic trades
and none have you replied :Oh crap
Webgurl you would hit me up about that, anytime.

PunkRockXXX 10-04-2007 06:59 PM
http://la.gg/upl/carbump1.gif

say no to prechecks!

J$tyle$ 10-04-2007 07:59 PM
I know I'm being simplistic here, but there are 2 distinct models that MOST business owners in this industry follow.

Those that care about the surfer first and foremost are in the "paysite business".

Those that do not care about the surfer first and foremost are in the "credit card processing and risk management business".

Both are sound and profitable business models. Where one might say some practices are questionable or unethical another might say it's legal ... and ethics and morals are a matter of opinion.

I remember reading a quote somewhere that said,

"The corporation cannot be ethical, its only responsibility is to make a profit."

Also,

"When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses."

People make business and personal decisions based on their on comfort level and risk tolerance. It's not all black and white ... there's lots of Grey in between.

Personally, I see the positives in both business models. One is not necessarily better or worse.

:2 cents:

psili 10-04-2007 07:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 13188993)
I'd like to take this opportunity to say that I'm buying Xsells from anyone with their own merchant account.
As someone who understands risk management, I found some posts in this thread humorous but at the end of the day, we all can't know what some of us know.

I'm paying top dollar for Xsells. find me, I'll make you rich. :winkwink:
I'll bump your post because you're out to make some cash.
Good for you.

psili 10-04-2007 08:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 13188993)
I'd like to take this opportunity to say that I'm buying Xsells from anyone with their own merchant account.
As someone who understands risk management, I found some posts in this thread humorous but at the end of the day, we all can't know what some of us know.

I'm paying top dollar for Xsells. find me, I'll make you rich. :winkwink:
Hedge your bets kids.
The "12 Clicks" program" is savage. I'm not only an affiliate I'm also a board whore.

Quick Buck 10-04-2007 08:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shap (Post 13188067)
Nice way to take my comment in an entirely different direction. You know exactly what I was saying and couldn't reply. Tell me if a free trial as well as a cross checked free trial and a $1.37 trial are such a great deal why won't paycom and ccbill let you and I run that offer?
i havent used paycom or ccbill in years, but when i used them they had no problems with dual prechecked free trials.

are you new to this business?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 10-04-2007 08:43 PM
I think this is the first time WEG has ever been called a scam.

Thats a damn shame, WEG has done great business for years, and have been very generous during them. There services and quality of service to members is solid as well.

Its the ultimate insult.

Seriously shame on you Shap...

Quick Buck 10-04-2007 08:45 PM
wow.. i made it to page 3 and found out paycom doesnt allow it anymore.. i doubt it's for moral reasons.

if i spent half as much time playing internet police as some people do, i'd be broke.

seeric 10-04-2007 08:51 PM
shap contact me on icq please.

or email actually airek at shanesworld

if you can do it from a tiwstys address so no one pretends to be you on icq.

have some related info not concerning this, but other things you might wanna know about.

thanks

wheat 10-04-2007 09:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerV (Post 13188917)
Ask anyone what sites they surf and they will mention a big TGP or torrent now and days. which i never understood why free porn cant be censored and make people pay for it:2 cents:
Yeah, good luck with that one, buddy.

seeric 10-04-2007 09:55 PM
bump for shap on some impotent shit!!!

BlackCrayon 10-04-2007 10:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerV (Post 13188917)
I can see where you?re coming from and I've done the free trial age verification thing years ago pre 2000.
I'm not doing it now but I don?t see what?s wrong with it. I truly think the surfers are much savvier now and days and I don?t think this type of marketing deceives them anymore.

what needs to stop is all the free hardcore content out there.

Ask anyone what sites they surf and they will mention a big TGP or torrent now and days. which i never understood why free porn cant be censored and make people pay for it:2 cents:
If pre checked cross sales don't decieve anyone then there would be no need to have them pre checked.

Quickdraw 10-04-2007 10:08 PM
Here is something else with XXXpass.

This came up as I was checking out a sponsors CCBill join page. (I had to make the popup smaller so you could see what it popped over.)
The trigger was "bill.ccbill.com"
Hotbar == Zango
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1...xxxpassok7.jpg

The prechecked cross sale on that page doesn't even get a 'fine print' star, or even addressed.

onlymovies 10-04-2007 10:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerV (Post 13188917)
what needs to stop is all the free hardcore content out there. Ask anyone what sites they surf and they will mention a big TGP or torrent now and days.
umm...lets see here....maybe that's because 90% of the paysite members sections suck big fat cocks?? Most members sections are laughable at best.


Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerV (Post 13188917)
which i never understood why free porn cant be censored and make people pay for it:2 cents:
This is why...it's because free porn works. And it works especially well for sites that actually have "something of value" to offer...it's a winning combination. There's tons of money in free porn, but it's got to be matched up with the right product.

Free porn + the value of sites/programs suchs as Brazzers, Twistys, Movieroom, NScash, FTV, Karups, Braincash, Bangbros = BIG TIME recurring $$$$$$$$.

PunkRockXXX 10-04-2007 10:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 13190469)
If pre checked cross sales don't decieve anyone then there would be no need to have them pre checked.
Quote:
Originally Posted by J$tyle$ (Post 13189604)
I know I'm being simplistic here, but there are 2 distinct models that MOST business owners in this industry follow.

Those that care about the surfer first and foremost are in the "paysite business".

Those that do not care about the surfer first and foremost are in the "credit card processing and risk management business".

Both are sound and profitable business models. Where one might say some practices are questionable or unethical another might say it's legal ... and ethics and morals are a matter of opinion.

I remember reading a quote somewhere that said,

"The corporation cannot be ethical, its only responsibility is to make a profit."

Also,

"When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses."

People make business and personal decisions based on their on comfort level and risk tolerance. It's not all black and white ... there's lots of Grey in between.

Personally, I see the positives in both business models. One is not necessarily better or worse.

:2 cents:


very valid points

pocketkangaroo 10-04-2007 10:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by J$tyle$ (Post 13189604)
I know I'm being simplistic here, but there are 2 distinct models that MOST business owners in this industry follow.

Those that care about the surfer first and foremost are in the "paysite business".

Those that do not care about the surfer first and foremost are in the "credit card processing and risk management business".

Both are sound and profitable business models. Where one might say some practices are questionable or unethical another might say it's legal ... and ethics and morals are a matter of opinion.

I remember reading a quote somewhere that said,

"The corporation cannot be ethical, its only responsibility is to make a profit."

Also,

"When morality comes up against profit, it is seldom that profit loses."

People make business and personal decisions based on their on comfort level and risk tolerance. It's not all black and white ... there's lots of Grey in between.

Personally, I see the positives in both business models. One is not necessarily better or worse.

:2 cents:
Probably the best post in this thread. Both have advantages and disadvantages. My only problem is when people act like it's a kosher way of getting signups. We all know it's preying on surfers who don't read carefully. Still, if it's legal, then it's legal.


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