Thanks to AVN - all of you - GoFuckYourself.com

XPays · 08-06-2007, 12:39 AM

undoubtedly, avn has the best audience in the industry- both video and internet. thanks to the avn team for everything!

KimJI · 08-06-2007, 12:45 AM

yeah, thank them for supporting torrentsites. Im so happy they send money to People ripping off the industry. Adbrite (wich is their sister company) is on the majority of every porn-torrent site out there.

XPays · 08-06-2007, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KimJI

yeah, thank them for supporting torrentsites. Im so happy they send money to People ripping off the industry. Adbrite (wich is their sister company) is on the majority of every porn-torrent site out there.

fuck that shit- agreed!!!

their core biz hopefully will not lose its focus because as of now their show is #1.

XPays · 08-06-2007, 12:58 AM

btw- post some content-infringing links they sponsor to back your snub up please

RawAlex · 08-06-2007, 01:02 AM

Don't have to go far to find them:

http://www.adbrite.com/mb/directory_...search=torrent

Just search... it's easy to get a list, apparently nobody at adbrite is actually able to search their own site.

http://www.adbrite.com/mb/commerce/p...php?opid=46694

Etc...

KimJI · 08-06-2007, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XPays

btw- post some content-infringing links they sponsor to back your snub up please

http://www.bittorrenttopsites.com/se...?keywords=porn

Search for "porn torrnt" and check the 20 first site..

XPays · 08-06-2007, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Don't have to go far to find them:

http://www.adbrite.com/mb/directory_...search=torrent

Just search... it's easy to get a list, apparently nobody at adbrite is actually able to search their own site.

http://www.adbrite.com/mb/commerce/p...php?opid=46694

Etc...

let's get some specific content that is being infringed and let them know if they are sponsoring theft. just linking to torrent sites will not help as much.

XPays · 08-06-2007, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KimJI

http://www.bittorrenttopsites.com/se...?keywords=porn

Search for "porn torrnt" and check the 20 first site..

if you post a movie that is being infringed and also sponsored by avn - that would be helpful (screencaps too).

KimJI · 08-06-2007, 01:09 AM

I never bullshit, I'm not just saying stuff like this to start drama, that is not how I work. I don't get how you can say "their core biz hopefully will not lose its focus because as of now their show is #1."

As I see it, the adult industry NEED to loose the focus for a while, to check what goes on in the corners of the companies they hail for being "top notch"

AVN is facilitating the distribution of Pirated content - its that simple. Just like a few of the big hosts have no problem with hosting the torrent sites, right next to the sites they rip off. Because to them, its just another income.

RawAlex · 08-06-2007, 01:12 AM

haha... one site came up with this ad:

http://hosted.zango.com/affiliates/l....htm?ref=51008

Gotta love that.

RawAlex · 08-06-2007, 01:14 AM

I should also point out that slogging around torrent sites looking for "proof" isn't something I get paid for. With the number of popups, viruses, and trojans these sites try to dump on my PC while I am doing it, I don't last for long.

I checked for first few on the list, and I was unable to find the adbrite ads on the site, but I was able to buy on them, which would suggest they are scamming adbrite users as well.

XPays · 08-06-2007, 01:17 AM

ok we have 2 issues here-

1- their shows are the shit and i appreciate them
2- content misuse sucks

i will voice my opinion to avn on the torrent issue. i am curious what avn's stance on this is. i can't imagine they would ignore c&d's from copyright owners either

also, alex you may not get paid for this but i will try to help the cause so your efforts are not a waste

KimJI · 08-06-2007, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XPays

let's get some specific content that is being infringed and let them know if they are sponsoring theft. just linking to torrent sites will not help as much.

se the textlinks below every frame? Adbrite ads
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1285688/6201776/

You know your Paris Hilton sextape?
http://btjunkie.org/torrent/Paris-Hi...d862e5b206e812

again, textlinks all over the place

RawAlex · 08-06-2007, 01:20 AM

Here, let me give you the biggest one possible:

http://thepiratebay.org/top/201

adbrite all down the side, and that page is packed with copyright material. I am pretty sure the Simpson's Movie hasn't been released for web distribution.

RawAlex · 08-06-2007, 01:22 AM

Sorry, let me just add this: Most copyright holders don't take the time to send C&D or DMCA notices to individual sponsors. In the case of a place like Pirate Bay, most have given up sending DMCAs because these guys just say "fuck you!".

It shouldn't take a DMCA notice for AVN to get on the right side of something that is totally killing the industry. They are suppose to be the leaders, not the fucking lemmings.

KimJI · 08-06-2007, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XPays

ok we have 2 issues here-

1- their shows are the shit and i appreciate them
2- content misuse sucks

i will voice my opinion to avn on the torrent issue. i am curious what avn's stance on this is. i can't imagine they would ignore c&d's from copyright owners either

also, alex you may not get paid for this but i will try to help the cause so your efforts are not a waste

It have ben brought up again and again. But AVN just keep saying Adbrite is a different company. But noone really belives that. Its the same script, same server, even same support phone number.

KimJI · 08-06-2007, 01:26 AM

Try and make some rough calculation on how much money they make on torrentsites. Its shocking.

Its not only money they make from people ripping off other webmasters, but since they are sending money to them, its both legalizing the torrent sites and worse, its a incentive for other people to break the law. Why should webmasters worry about Copyright, when they can make a huge amount of cash and get away with it.

KimJI · 08-06-2007, 01:29 AM

It's the same with AFF ( https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/757665-aff-sponsoring-thepiratebay-post12879402.html ), Fleshlight and more. Unless people like you take a stand against this - people like you who own the right to content. People that are tired of being ripped off by 14 year old kids, and no way of getting your money back. Unless that happens, NOTHING will ever change.

RawAlex · 08-06-2007, 08:28 AM

KimJI, as I mentioned elsewhere, I have come to realize that in the adult business, there are two types of affiliate companies: Those companies that have invested in content and product, and those that invested only in software to run their sites.

Those companies that invested in content have "skin in the game". They have a volatile product that loses value over time. It can also be stolen and redistributed without their permission via torrents and other methods. When a torrent site steals from them, their content loses value.

Those companies that invested only in software have no skin in the game. It doesn't matter if there are torrent sites, password trading sites, or any other hacks out there because THEY HAVE NOTHING TO STEAL. Who is going to steal a bunch of dating profiles, a cam girl listing, or a set of pictures of sex toys still in the boxes? Nobody. It has no value, nothing to steal.

So these guys have no skin in the game, nothing on the table, so they supprt the heck of the torrent sites, password sites, "user forums" that hotlink and steal, the fusker style sites, Zango style traffic redirectors, the newgroup sites... because none of the activity directly affects their business.

There is one way to make it hurt thier business, it is when people with skin in the game stop using them, stop supporting them, and stop tolerating them.

I dare programs to put up a "no dating, no cam, and no text ads allowed on the same page as our content" rule. That would serious screw up those companies and fix what has been a major issue for the industry.

RawAlex · 08-06-2007, 12:08 PM

bumpity for the day crew

tranza · 08-06-2007, 12:17 PM

This thread could get ugly......

SEE SIG!!!

RawAlex · 08-06-2007, 12:39 PM

You want ugly? Who do you think is in the opposite column from AVN?

Come one... you know...

Yup, Legendary Lars and cams.com!

Bros of a feather...

RawAlex · 08-06-2007, 03:28 PM

I enjoy how much the bros spend their time avoiding threads like this.

KimJI · 08-06-2007, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

I enjoy how much the bros spend their time avoiding threads like this.

They dont care. Not yet at least

XPays · 08-06-2007, 03:48 PM

are they just white-labelling adbrite?

these type of sites are a huge threat to our business and anyone turning a blind eye needs to do some digging.

we will start adding the sponsors of the "user-submitted" content sites to our notices on our content. the thing is that the tube-style sites react the fastest to take-down notices. that means a lot of sponsors are sleeping at the wheel or submitting the content themselves...

C H R I S · 08-06-2007, 03:57 PM

Appreciate the great feedback on the show Evan. Just got back -

I am not the person to speak towards the second issue, as soon as I get back in the office I will bring it to the appropriate persons attention.

KimJI · 08-06-2007, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XPays

are they just white-labelling adbrite?

these type of sites are a huge threat to our business and anyone turning a blind eye needs to do some digging.

we will start adding the sponsors of the "user-submitted" content sites to our notices on our content. the thing is that the tube-style sites react the fastest to take-down notices. that means a lot of sponsors are sleeping at the wheel or submitting the content themselves...

Most don't do anything because of the Cost/Benefit calculation. It will take so many man-hours to track, report and take legal action on every incident. Not every program can afford to allocate that amount of time. You know yourself how hard it is to find good people to work for you. Can you spare 15-20 man-hours a week and allocate them to this problem?

The easiest and most effective way of fighting this problem is cutting the income off to the sites. People dealing with those sites should be excluded from the business. And I mean hosts as well.

People like ISPrime have several of the very large forums distributing copyrighted content, and they do nothing about it.

I approached them once, and they told me to bring prove of copyright violations, and they would delete the specific post. That mean I should get the legal papers to every single post on a forum with 100.000+ posts.
To me that kind of reply is the same as "screw you, we are getting payed"

seeric · 08-06-2007, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

KimJI, as I mentioned elsewhere, I have come to realize that in the adult business, there are two types of affiliate companies: Those companies that have invested in content and product, and those that invested only in software to run their sites.

Those companies that invested in content have "skin in the game". They have a volatile product that loses value over time. It can also be stolen and redistributed without their permission via torrents and other methods. When a torrent site steals from them, their content loses value.

Those companies that invested only in software have no skin in the game. It doesn't matter if there are torrent sites, password trading sites, or any other hacks out there because THEY HAVE NOTHING TO STEAL. Who is going to steal a bunch of dating profiles, a cam girl listing, or a set of pictures of sex toys still in the boxes? Nobody. It has no value, nothing to steal.

So these guys have no skin in the game, nothing on the table, so they supprt the heck of the torrent sites, password sites, "user forums" that hotlink and steal, the fusker style sites, Zango style traffic redirectors, the newgroup sites... because none of the activity directly affects their business.

There is one way to make it hurt thier business, it is when people with skin in the game stop using them, stop supporting them, and stop tolerating them.

I dare programs to put up a "no dating, no cam, and no text ads allowed on the same page as our content" rule. That would serious screw up those companies and fix what has been a major issue for the industry.

RawAlex · 08-06-2007, 04:12 PM

KimJI, you touch on what is one of the major flaws of DMCA - there is no "repeat" penalty, and no requirement for sites to prove they have the rights to content.

A site can steal content from 10 people, 1 complaints, so they remove that 1's stuff and let the rest go. Then the stuff from the 1 is re-added, and must be once again DMCAed for the new URLs it appears on. They remove it. Then the stuff gets re-added... and so on.

What was the term the other day? "User generated Content"? That is what the mainstream people are calling wholesale content theft. They weakly point their finger at anonymous users and say "they did it!", not for a second accepting any responsbility for creating the very structures and systems that allow and encourage this type of theft.

The adult industry needs to snap out of it's slumber and realize that the apparent industry leader AVN is neck deep in the exact business model that is fucking porn over solid.

KimJI · 08-06-2007, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

KimJI, you touch on what is one of the major flaws of DMCA - there is no "repeat" penalty, and no requirement for sites to prove they have the rights to content.

A site can steal content from 10 people, 1 complaints, so they remove that 1's stuff and let the rest go. Then the stuff from the 1 is re-added, and must be once again DMCAed for the new URLs it appears on. They remove it. Then the stuff gets re-added... and so on.

What was the term the other day? "User generated Content"? That is what the mainstream people are calling wholesale content theft. They weakly point their finger at anonymous users and say "they did it!", not for a second accepting any responsbility for creating the very structures and systems that allow and encourage this type of theft.

The adult industry needs to snap out of it's slumber and realize that the apparent industry leader AVN is neck deep in the exact business model that is fucking porn over solid.

I agree that its one of the problems with DMCA, but its also a safety for the honest siteowners out there.

BUT - if a host get notified about one of their sites distributing/facilitating the distribution of 100.000+ copyrighted titles. Why on earth should it be necessary to do all that paperwork?

If the hosting company had ANY interest in the industry whatsoever, they would look at the site and see that its clearly illegal, and then terminate the account.

XPays · 08-06-2007, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVNChris

Appreciate the great feedback on the show Evan. Just got back -

I am not the person to speak towards the second issue, as soon as I get back in the office I will bring it to the appropriate persons attention.

cool chris- good seeing you as always- on the second issue- this is the kind of issue that no matter how much money a company makes- it will eventually cost them everything.... not clean-- also competing unfairly with the very companies avn has helped in the past.

KimJI · 08-07-2007, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVNChris

Appreciate the great feedback on the show Evan. Just got back -

I am not the person to speak towards the second issue, as soon as I get back in the office I will bring it to the appropriate persons attention.

So what was the "appropriate persons" responce?

KimJI · 08-07-2007, 12:20 PM

Back to the frontpage for a reply

XPays · 08-07-2007, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KimJI

So what was the "appropriate persons" responce?

good question

KimJI · 08-07-2007, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XPays

good question

But it looks like they wont answer it straight away

C H R I S · 08-07-2007, 02:22 PM

Expect an answer shortly -

KimJI · 08-07-2007, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVNChris

Expect an answer shortly -

Maybe, when you write the reply, you should explain why AVN as a newsmedia, have never brought up the issue of dating and camsites making money off websites distributing/facilitating distribution of copyrighted content

KimJI · 08-07-2007, 03:48 PM

I'm off to bed now. Guess it wasnt as "shortly" as I expected

Farley · 08-07-2007, 04:27 PM

Hi Everyone,
First of all I want to address the subject of this thread.
Thank you to Evan for the kind words about the show. As always, it was great seeing you and thanks for attending as well as tearing it up at The Players Ball.

And thank you to everyone that exhibited and attended. Everyone here at AVN/Internext appreciates your attendance. I've heard only positive things from everyone that was there. Tons of new business was done- New relationships were established, old relationships were expanded, the information sessions were valuable, the parties were outstanding, the hotel and their staff as always were wonderful, the weather was great and my AVN Online team & the Internext team were attentive & helpful to exhibitors and attendees alike.

Secondly, certain people take every opportunity to turn positives into negatives. As I mentioned above, Evan was kind enough to post a thank you for having a good show and it's turned into a discussion about Adbrite and AVN's relationship.
So I want to be clear, again. If you remember, I posted the facts on a past thread which outlined the facts about AVN and Adbrite's relationship.
https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/738041-avn-adbrite-selling-space-piratebay-3.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVNFarley

Hi All,
For those that don't know me, I'm Farley from AVN. I'm the Publisher of AVN Online Magazine and Director of Licensing.

I'm responsible for the AdBrite / AVN Ads relationship.

Nathan is very much correct on all his points.

Here are the facts:
AVN owns no part of Adbrite and vice versa.
AVN is located in Los Angeles, AdBrite in San Francisco.
AVN owns the URL avnads.com and points dns to AdBrite.
AdBrite licenses AVN their advertising backend platform.
AdBrite handles all billing and support for AVNads.
AVN brands and markets AVN Ads.
AVN Ads works with over 8,200 publishers and tens of thousands of advertisers.
Publisher's can remove any ads that they choose to not display.
Advertisers can choose which sites to advertise on or not.

We are in the process of correcting the issue of AVN Ads pulling results from the AdBrite database. If any site is deemed to be illegal by the proper authorities, it will be immediately removed from the network. Also, if anyone finds that their content has been stolen, please contact me personally so that we may take the appropriate steps.

I hope this helps to clarify this issue.
Should anyone care to contact me directly, please feel free to email farley[at]avn.com or call 818-718-5788.
Thanks,
-Farley

We have taken the proper steps to ensure that AVNads.com is not supporting sites that are deemed to be illegal in any form.

AVN owns avnads.com
Registrant:
AVN Media Network, Inc.
9414 Eton Ave.
Chatsworth, CA 91311
US

Domain Name: AVNADS.COM

Administrative Contact :
Roberts, Darren
[email protected]
9414 Eton Ave.
Chatsworth, CA 91311
US
Phone: 818-718-5788 x111
Fax: (818) 718-5799

Technical Contact :
Network Solutions, LLC.
[email protected]
13861 Sunrise Valley Drive
Herndon, VA 20171
US
Phone: 1-888-642-9675
Fax: 571-434-4620

Record expires on 19-Mar-2010
Record created on 19-Mar-2004
Database last updated on 12-Feb-2007

Domain servers in listed order: Manage DNS

NS2.ADBRITE.COM 64.127.126.62
NS3.ADBRITE.COM 205.234.230.54

Adbrite owns adbrite.com
Domain name: ADBRITE.COM

Registrant Contact:
AdBrite, Inc.
NULL NULL (NA)
NULL
Fax:
25 Stillman St., Second Floor
San Francisco, CA 94107
US

Administrative Contact:
AdBrite, Inc.
Host Master ([email protected])
+1.4159750916
Fax:
731 Market Street, Suite 500
San Francisco, CA 94103
US

Technical Contact:
AdBrite, Inc.
Host Master ([email protected])
+1.4159750916
Fax:
731 Market Street, Suite 500
San Francisco, CA 94103
US

Status: Active

Name Servers:
asia3.akam.net
aus1.akam.net
eur1.akam.net
eur2.akam.net
ns1-105.akam.net
ns1-232.akam.net
usc2.akam.net
usw6.akam.net

So as seasoned webmasters, you have realized that they are essentially providing a private label solution to us.
Just as HotMovies, Gamelink, Effex Media, etc. do for other companies.
Neither company owns any part of the other.

In conclusion, not a single person posting to or reading these threads has EVER made the effort to email, IM, call or come up to me in person to discuss or to point out a single individual site that they feel should be removed.

So why is that RawAlex and KimJI? Why have you never called or emailed me in an effort to help police this issue and to proactively fight piracy?
Is any of your content being pirated by AVNads publishers? If so I would be more than happy to address those with you, your attorneys as well as ours.

I'm here 65 hours a week and I attend many of the shows.
I'm available to discuss this with anyone, but frankly, I don't have the time to respond to every post about everything that relates to AVN.
We are a large organization with multiple magazines, events and websites with which I am involved in.
I take great pride, as does everyone at AVN, in helping anyone inside or for that matter outside the industry with anything they may need.

AVNads has proven itself as valuable asset to many adult companies looking for traffic and/or revenue from selling ads.

So what do you really want to do? Do you want to keep jumping on threads like this where someone has something positive to say? Do you want to keep bashing AVN and AVNads on an issue to which we have been proactive and attentive to?
How about picking up the phone and calling me like a real business person does. Like Evan and many other professionals would do if they had an issue with AVN.
Isn't that the truly professional course of action or would you rather keep going down this path.
Your call.
I'm available anytime.

Thanks,
Farley

RawAlex · 08-07-2007, 04:38 PM

Farley, with all due respect, I checked the information on avnads and adbrite not long ago, and the DNS servers were the same, the network was the same, and the support phone numbers were the same.

Adbrite is a partnership between Pud (the owner of fuckedcompany.com) and investors. He also created AVN ads:

Quote:

Kaplan also created a separate advertising network, AVN Ads, dedicated to sex-related ads and websites, to keep AdBrite squarely in the maiecnstream.

http://www.adbriteguide.com/lat-badboy.asp

Quote:

AVN Ads and Adbrite's sites are two different sites. If you go to AVN Ads and find a Pirate Bay ad for sale, let me know and I'll look into having it pulled. Adbrite.com is not under our umbrella of sites. Adbrite is a business partner, it is not an AVN entity.
Saying that, I will speak to them about whether or not they should be associated with a torrent site and hopefully come to a resolution. It is probably just a case of not monitoring inventory close enough.
In the meantime, if you would like to discuss with me further, feel free to send me a message on ICQ.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=739232&page=1

Adbrite.com and avnads.com are on exactly the same IP nubmer, 64.127.126.24

So quit with the bullshit. I call bullshit. I say either you are lying, or your bosses are lying to you.

Enough already. The people getting ripped off by torrent sites should be freaking out by now.

KimJI · 08-07-2007, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVNFarley

Hi Everyone,
First of all I want to address the subject of this thread.
Thank you to Evan for the kind words about the show. As always, it was great seeing you and thanks for attending as well as tearing it up at The Players Ball.

And thank you to everyone that exhibited and attended. Everyone here at AVN/Internext appreciates your attendance. I've heard only positive things from everyone that was there. Tons of new business was done- New relationships were established, old relationships were expanded, the information sessions were valuable, the parties were outstanding, the hotel and their staff as always were wonderful, the weather was great and my AVN Online team & the Internext team were attentive & helpful to exhibitors and attendees alike.

Secondly, certain people take every opportunity to turn positives into negatives. As I mentioned above, Evan was kind enough to post a thank you for having a good show and it's turned into a discussion about Adbrite and AVN's relationship.
So I want to be clear, again. If you remember, I posted the facts on a past thread which outlined the facts about AVN and Adbrite's relationship.
https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/738041-avn-adbrite-selling-space-piratebay-3.html

We have taken the proper steps to ensure that AVNads.com is not supporting sites that are deemed to be illegal in any form.

AVN owns avnads.com
Registrant:
AVN Media Network, Inc.
9414 Eton Ave.
Chatsworth, CA 91311
US

Domain Name: AVNADS.COM

Administrative Contact :
Roberts, Darren
[email protected]
9414 Eton Ave.
Chatsworth, CA 91311
US
Phone: 818-718-5788 x111
Fax: (818) 718-5799

Technical Contact :
Network Solutions, LLC.
[email protected]
13861 Sunrise Valley Drive
Herndon, VA 20171
US
Phone: 1-888-642-9675
Fax: 571-434-4620

Record expires on 19-Mar-2010
Record created on 19-Mar-2004
Database last updated on 12-Feb-2007

Domain servers in listed order: Manage DNS

NS2.ADBRITE.COM 64.127.126.62
NS3.ADBRITE.COM 205.234.230.54

Adbrite owns adbrite.com
Domain name: ADBRITE.COM

Registrant Contact:
AdBrite, Inc.
NULL NULL (NA)
NULL
Fax:
25 Stillman St., Second Floor
San Francisco, CA 94107
US

Administrative Contact:
AdBrite, Inc.
Host Master ([email protected])
+1.4159750916
Fax:
731 Market Street, Suite 500
San Francisco, CA 94103
US

Technical Contact:
AdBrite, Inc.
Host Master ([email protected])
+1.4159750916
Fax:
731 Market Street, Suite 500
San Francisco, CA 94103
US

Status: Active

Name Servers:
asia3.akam.net
aus1.akam.net
eur1.akam.net
eur2.akam.net
ns1-105.akam.net
ns1-232.akam.net
usc2.akam.net
usw6.akam.net

So as seasoned webmasters, you have realized that they are essentially providing a private label solution to us.
Just as HotMovies, Gamelink, Effex Media, etc. do for other companies.
Neither company owns any part of the other.

In conclusion, not a single person posting to or reading these threads has EVER made the effort to email, IM, call or come up to me in person to discuss or to point out a single individual site that they feel should be removed.

So why is that RawAlex and KimJI? Why have you never called or emailed me in an effort to help police this issue and to proactively fight piracy?
Is any of your content being pirated by AVNads publishers? If so I would be more than happy to address those with you, your attorneys as well as ours.

I'm here 65 hours a week and I attend many of the shows.
I'm available to discuss this with anyone, but frankly, I don't have the time to respond to every post about everything that relates to AVN.
We are a large organization with multiple magazines, events and websites with which I am involved in.
I take great pride, as does everyone at AVN, in helping anyone inside or for that matter outside the industry with anything they may need.

AVNads has proven itself as valuable asset to many adult companies looking for traffic and/or revenue from selling ads.

So what do you really want to do? Do you want to keep jumping on threads like this where someone has something positive to say? Do you want to keep bashing AVN and AVNads on an issue to which we have been proactive and attentive to?
How about picking up the phone and calling me like a real business person does. Like Evan and many other professionals would do if they had an issue with AVN.
Isn't that the truly professional course of action or would you rather keep going down this path.
Your call.
I'm available anytime.

Thanks,
Farley

I knew that would be your reply.

It have been documented again and again that AVNADS and Adbrite is the same. Same support number, same IP, Same DNS. Don't feed us this bullshit.

Also.
- I have emails you several times regarding this, but never got one single reply.

- I don't make phone-calls, because phone-calls cant be documented

- I bring this discussion into every thread because YOU refuse to give us a honest answer. And I will keep doing so until you fix the problem.

- If you think this will go away by giving a bullshit reply like above, they you are either naive, or think very little about the general webmaster community

AVNads.com = IP Address: 64.127.126.24
Adbrite.com = IP Address: 64.127.126.24

Remember the AVNads /adbrite email we got once when you started working together?

Dear AdBrite Publisher,

You are receiving this message because one or more of your AdBrite zones has just taken an exciting leap forward - welcome to AVN Ads!

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XPays · 08-07-2007, 11:58 PM

farley- thanks for stepping up. i think we all want to think avn is transparent but at the end of the day, it's a business.

pointing dns has nothing to do with ownership of a domain. millions of parked domains rely on their registrar for dns and the registrar does not get accused of owning those domains...

anyway, a lot of webmasters here think adbrite is into some filthy shit. maybe you can find a more ethical provider

D-Money · 08-08-2007, 12:01 AM

Great having sushi with you Farley. Good seeing a brotha.

Thanks to DJ Evan, my scratch DJ!

Farley · 08-08-2007, 10:38 AM

Thanks RawAlex for the call last night.
I enjoyed our lively discussion and appreciate your professionalism.

D$- As always- Great show! Thanks for bring The Players Ball back to Internext again. Sushi dinner felt just like old times.

KimJI- My email works for everyone else that's made the effort so I'm not sure what the issue is.
RawAlex thought it was important enough to pick up the phone and I think we came to relatively mutual understanding.

AGAIN, neither company owns any part of the other. We have oversight of AVNads.com and can request that sites are removed if we choose to do so.
Adbrite acts independently of AVNads. If they chose to keep a site then that's their decision.

Do you understand the Private Label concept? In an example that gave to RawAlex I said think of it as if i have XYZvod.com which is a white label of Gamelink. And on my site I want certain content removed that I or my clients feel is objectionable. Gamelink accomodates this request but choses to keep it on their site. Am I then responsible for that content on their site?

In another point I made, I said let's look at who's buying traffic on these torrent sites. Are they not as much to blame as the torrent sites themselves?
If no one buys the traffic then sites would cease to exist? Shouldn't webmasters band together to agree not to support these kinds of sites?

I did make the promise to RawAlex to contact Philip Kaplan personally to discuss this issue.
Who here who is upset about Adbrite's practices and has sent a formal complaint letter? I'd be happy to look at them and re-send out their behalf.

AVN has taken steps to remove sites which appear to be pirating content.
Yes Adbrite choses to take these sites as publishers. AVN can and has recommended that they reconsider accepting these types of sites.

As I said I will discuss it with Philip but its incumbent upon the community to look at all aspects of the situation.

I'm open to discussing this on internet radio (if D$ wants to facilitate it, I'd be happy to participate).

I also told Alex that we'll look to January's Internext to create a panel which would focus on piracy and that we'd be glad to have him participate.

Again, let me say thanks to everyone that came to Internext and feel free to contact me if you need anything.

08-06-2007, 12:45 AM	#2
KimJI Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Location: So fucking gone Posts: 1,839	yeah, thank them for supporting torrentsites. Im so happy they send money to People ripping off the industry. Adbrite (wich is their sister company) is on the majority of every porn-torrent site out there. __________________ Trafficadept \| Best traffic I have ever tested \| web "@t" cuul.org

08-06-2007, 12:58 AM	#4
XPays Team Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Inside the most accurately counting and reporting affiliate system in the world at XPays.com Posts: 13,002	btw- post some content-infringing links they sponsor to back your snub up please __________________ InterNext Expo Domain Auction Live Now thru Feb 5 HuntingMoon GFY Domains Marketplace is LIVE XPays always pays! Top Site: * RealJasmine.com * + HotelHeiress® with The Paris Hilton Sex Video Insert the HotelHeiress® HD FEED into your members areas XPin.com Opening for Pin Partners Soonish Mainstream Offers For Emailers and DomainersNONADULT.COM Like Us!

08-06-2007, 01:09 AM	#9
KimJI Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Location: So fucking gone Posts: 1,839	I never bullshit, I'm not just saying stuff like this to start drama, that is not how I work. I don't get how you can say "their core biz hopefully will not lose its focus because as of now their show is #1." As I see it, the adult industry NEED to loose the focus for a while, to check what goes on in the corners of the companies they hail for being "top notch" AVN is facilitating the distribution of Pirated content - its that simple. Just like a few of the big hosts have no problem with hosting the torrent sites, right next to the sites they rip off. Because to them, its just another income. __________________ Trafficadept \| Best traffic I have ever tested \| web "@t" cuul.org

08-06-2007, 01:17 AM	#12
XPays Team Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Inside the most accurately counting and reporting affiliate system in the world at XPays.com Posts: 13,002	ok we have 2 issues here- 1- their shows are the shit and i appreciate them 2- content misuse sucks i will voice my opinion to avn on the torrent issue. i am curious what avn's stance on this is. i can't imagine they would ignore c&d's from copyright owners either also, alex you may not get paid for this but i will try to help the cause so your efforts are not a waste __________________ InterNext Expo Domain Auction Live Now thru Feb 5 HuntingMoon GFY Domains Marketplace is LIVE XPays always pays! Top Site: * RealJasmine.com * + HotelHeiress® with The Paris Hilton Sex Video Insert the HotelHeiress® HD FEED into your members areas XPin.com Opening for Pin Partners Soonish Mainstream Offers For Emailers and DomainersNONADULT.COM Like Us!

08-06-2007, 01:26 AM	#17
KimJI Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Location: So fucking gone Posts: 1,839	Try and make some rough calculation on how much money they make on torrentsites. Its shocking. Its not only money they make from people ripping off other webmasters, but since they are sending money to them, its both legalizing the torrent sites and worse, its a incentive for other people to break the law. Why should webmasters worry about Copyright, when they can make a huge amount of cash and get away with it. __________________ Trafficadept \| Best traffic I have ever tested \| web "@t" cuul.org

08-06-2007, 12:39 AM	#1
XPays Team Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Inside the most accurately counting and reporting affiliate system in the world at XPays.com Posts: 13,002	Thanks to AVN - all of you undoubtedly, avn has the best audience in the industry- both video and internet. thanks to the avn team for everything! __________________ InterNext Expo Domain Auction Live Now thru Feb 5 HuntingMoon GFY Domains Marketplace is LIVE XPays always pays! Top Site: * RealJasmine.com * + HotelHeiress® with The Paris Hilton Sex Video Insert the HotelHeiress® HD FEED into your members areas XPin.com Opening for Pin Partners Soonish Mainstream Offers For Emailers and DomainersNONADULT.COM Like Us!

08-06-2007, 01:02 AM	#5
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Don't have to go far to find them: http://www.adbrite.com/mb/directory_...search=torrent Just search... it's easy to get a list, apparently nobody at adbrite is actually able to search their own site. http://www.adbrite.com/mb/commerce/p...php?opid=46694 Etc...

08-06-2007, 01:12 AM	#10
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	haha... one site came up with this ad: http://hosted.zango.com/affiliates/l....htm?ref=51008 Gotta love that.

08-06-2007, 01:14 AM	#11
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	I should also point out that slogging around torrent sites looking for "proof" isn't something I get paid for. With the number of popups, viruses, and trojans these sites try to dump on my PC while I am doing it, I don't last for long. I checked for first few on the list, and I was unable to find the adbrite ads on the site, but I was able to buy on them, which would suggest they are scamming adbrite users as well.

08-06-2007, 01:20 AM	#14
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Here, let me give you the biggest one possible: http://thepiratebay.org/top/201 adbrite all down the side, and that page is packed with copyright material. I am pretty sure the Simpson's Movie hasn't been released for web distribution.

08-06-2007, 01:22 AM	#15
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Sorry, let me just add this: Most copyright holders don't take the time to send C&D or DMCA notices to individual sponsors. In the case of a place like Pirate Bay, most have given up sending DMCAs because these guys just say "fuck you!". It shouldn't take a DMCA notice for AVN to get on the right side of something that is totally killing the industry. They are suppose to be the leaders, not the fucking lemmings.

08-06-2007, 01:29 AM	#18
KimJI Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Location: So fucking gone Posts: 1,839	It's the same with AFF ( https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/757665-aff-sponsoring-thepiratebay-post12879402.html ), Fleshlight and more. Unless people like you take a stand against this - people like you who own the right to content. People that are tired of being ripped off by 14 year old kids, and no way of getting your money back. Unless that happens, NOTHING will ever change. __________________ Trafficadept \| Best traffic I have ever tested \| web "@t" cuul.org Last edited by KimJI; 08-06-2007 at 01:30 AM..

08-06-2007, 08:28 AM	#19
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	KimJI, as I mentioned elsewhere, I have come to realize that in the adult business, there are two types of affiliate companies: Those companies that have invested in content and product, and those that invested only in software to run their sites. Those companies that invested in content have "skin in the game". They have a volatile product that loses value over time. It can also be stolen and redistributed without their permission via torrents and other methods. When a torrent site steals from them, their content loses value. Those companies that invested only in software have no skin in the game. It doesn't matter if there are torrent sites, password trading sites, or any other hacks out there because THEY HAVE NOTHING TO STEAL. Who is going to steal a bunch of dating profiles, a cam girl listing, or a set of pictures of sex toys still in the boxes? Nobody. It has no value, nothing to steal. So these guys have no skin in the game, nothing on the table, so they supprt the heck of the torrent sites, password sites, "user forums" that hotlink and steal, the fusker style sites, Zango style traffic redirectors, the newgroup sites... because none of the activity directly affects their business. There is one way to make it hurt thier business, it is when people with skin in the game stop using them, stop supporting them, and stop tolerating them. I dare programs to put up a "no dating, no cam, and no text ads allowed on the same page as our content" rule. That would serious screw up those companies and fix what has been a major issue for the industry.

08-06-2007, 12:08 PM	#20
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	bumpity for the day crew

08-06-2007, 12:17 PM	#21
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	This thread could get ugly...... SEE SIG!!! __________________ I'm just a newbie.

08-06-2007, 12:39 PM	#22
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	You want ugly? Who do you think is in the opposite column from AVN? Come one... you know... Yup, Legendary Lars and cams.com! Bros of a feather...

08-06-2007, 03:28 PM	#23
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	I enjoy how much the bros spend their time avoiding threads like this.

08-06-2007, 03:48 PM	#25
XPays Team Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Inside the most accurately counting and reporting affiliate system in the world at XPays.com Posts: 13,002	are they just white-labelling adbrite? these type of sites are a huge threat to our business and anyone turning a blind eye needs to do some digging. we will start adding the sponsors of the "user-submitted" content sites to our notices on our content. the thing is that the tube-style sites react the fastest to take-down notices. that means a lot of sponsors are sleeping at the wheel or submitting the content themselves... __________________ InterNext Expo Domain Auction Live Now thru Feb 5 HuntingMoon GFY Domains Marketplace is LIVE XPays always pays! Top Site: * RealJasmine.com * + HotelHeiress® with The Paris Hilton Sex Video Insert the HotelHeiress® HD FEED into your members areas XPin.com Opening for Pin Partners Soonish Mainstream Offers For Emailers and DomainersNONADULT.COM Like Us!

08-06-2007, 03:57 PM	#26
C H R I S Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Marina Del Rey Posts: 10,842	Appreciate the great feedback on the show Evan. Just got back - I am not the person to speak towards the second issue, as soon as I get back in the office I will bring it to the appropriate persons attention. __________________ C H R I S Retired Porn Veteran BH4L

08-06-2007, 04:12 PM	#29
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	KimJI, you touch on what is one of the major flaws of DMCA - there is no "repeat" penalty, and no requirement for sites to prove they have the rights to content. A site can steal content from 10 people, 1 complaints, so they remove that 1's stuff and let the rest go. Then the stuff from the 1 is re-added, and must be once again DMCAed for the new URLs it appears on. They remove it. Then the stuff gets re-added... and so on. What was the term the other day? "User generated Content"? That is what the mainstream people are calling wholesale content theft. They weakly point their finger at anonymous users and say "they did it!", not for a second accepting any responsbility for creating the very structures and systems that allow and encourage this type of theft. The adult industry needs to snap out of it's slumber and realize that the apparent industry leader AVN is neck deep in the exact business model that is fucking porn over solid.

08-07-2007, 12:20 PM	#33
KimJI Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Location: So fucking gone Posts: 1,839	Back to the frontpage for a reply __________________ Trafficadept \| Best traffic I have ever tested \| web "@t" cuul.org

08-07-2007, 02:22 PM	#36
C H R I S Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Marina Del Rey Posts: 10,842	Expect an answer shortly - __________________ C H R I S Retired Porn Veteran BH4L

08-07-2007, 03:48 PM	#38
KimJI Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Location: So fucking gone Posts: 1,839	I'm off to bed now. Guess it wasnt as "shortly" as I expected __________________ Trafficadept \| Best traffic I have ever tested \| web "@t" cuul.org

08-07-2007, 11:58 PM	#42
XPays Team Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Inside the most accurately counting and reporting affiliate system in the world at XPays.com Posts: 13,002	farley- thanks for stepping up. i think we all want to think avn is transparent but at the end of the day, it's a business. pointing dns has nothing to do with ownership of a domain. millions of parked domains rely on their registrar for dns and the registrar does not get accused of owning those domains... anyway, a lot of webmasters here think adbrite is into some filthy shit. maybe you can find a more ethical provider __________________ InterNext Expo Domain Auction Live Now thru Feb 5 HuntingMoon GFY Domains Marketplace is LIVE XPays always pays! Top Site: * RealJasmine.com * + HotelHeiress® with The Paris Hilton Sex Video Insert the HotelHeiress® HD FEED into your members areas XPin.com Opening for Pin Partners Soonish Mainstream Offers For Emailers and DomainersNONADULT.COM Like Us!

08-08-2007, 12:01 AM	#43
D-Money Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Player Del Ray Posts: 9,716	Great having sushi with you Farley. Good seeing a brotha. Thanks to DJ Evan, my scratch DJ! __________________ Still Ballin'

08-08-2007, 10:38 AM	#44
Farley Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: LA, CA Posts: 362	Thanks RawAlex for the call last night. I enjoyed our lively discussion and appreciate your professionalism. D$- As always- Great show! Thanks for bring The Players Ball back to Internext again. Sushi dinner felt just like old times. KimJI- My email works for everyone else that's made the effort so I'm not sure what the issue is. RawAlex thought it was important enough to pick up the phone and I think we came to relatively mutual understanding. AGAIN, neither company owns any part of the other. We have oversight of AVNads.com and can request that sites are removed if we choose to do so. Adbrite acts independently of AVNads. If they chose to keep a site then that's their decision. Do you understand the Private Label concept? In an example that gave to RawAlex I said think of it as if i have XYZvod.com which is a white label of Gamelink. And on my site I want certain content removed that I or my clients feel is objectionable. Gamelink accomodates this request but choses to keep it on their site. Am I then responsible for that content on their site? In another point I made, I said let's look at who's buying traffic on these torrent sites. Are they not as much to blame as the torrent sites themselves? If no one buys the traffic then sites would cease to exist? Shouldn't webmasters band together to agree not to support these kinds of sites? I did make the promise to RawAlex to contact Philip Kaplan personally to discuss this issue. Who here who is upset about Adbrite's practices and has sent a formal complaint letter? I'd be happy to look at them and re-send out their behalf. AVN has taken steps to remove sites which appear to be pirating content. Yes Adbrite choses to take these sites as publishers. AVN can and has recommended that they reconsider accepting these types of sites. As I said I will discuss it with Philip but its incumbent upon the community to look at all aspects of the situation. I'm open to discussing this on internet radio (if D$ wants to facilitate it, I'd be happy to participate). I also told Alex that we'll look to January's Internext to create a panel which would focus on piracy and that we'd be glad to have him participate. Again, let me say thanks to everyone that came to Internext and feel free to contact me if you need anything. __________________ Farley Cahen COO Digital Playground [email protected] Digital Playground Cash