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bobby666 06-28-2007 12:26 AM

moore for president !!!

J. Falcon 06-28-2007 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by notabook (Post 12670973)
What kind of dog is Buddy again?

A fierce dog from the sound of things.

notabook 06-28-2007 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bobby666 (Post 12670987)
moore for president !!!

President of Dunkin' Donuts, maybe.

baddog 06-28-2007 12:29 AM

mutt, with strong border collie genetic matter

http://juliablue.com/bdy43.jpg

J. Falcon 06-28-2007 12:30 AM

cute dog!

baddog 06-28-2007 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 12670988)
A fierce dog from the sound of things.


He doesn't take any shit from anyone.

Due 06-28-2007 12:47 AM

I think the movies Michael Moore make is really good, he clearly show that USA is a open minded country.
Imagine someone in China made the same kind of movies about their government, he would be shot, killed and put to prison, 2 times, before he could even say CUT.
In USA it is different, you can say whatever you like, whenever you like, as long as it is true and walk around as a free man, guess that is why Moore is still a free man!
Although I saw somewhere something about him being arrested for travelling to Cuba or something, anyone know what that was about?

baddog 06-28-2007 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Due (Post 12671055)
I think the movies Michael Moore make is really good, he clearly show that USA is a open minded country.
Imagine someone in China made the same kind of movies about their government, he would be shot, killed and put to prison, 2 times, before he could even say CUT.
In USA it is different, you can say whatever you like, whenever you like, as long as it is true and walk around as a free man, guess that is why Moore is still a free man!
Although I saw somewhere something about him being arrested for travelling to Cuba or something, anyone know what that was about?

We have no rules that say it must be true.

Redmanthatcould 06-28-2007 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Due (Post 12671055)
I think the movies Michael Moore make is really good, he clearly show that USA is a open minded country.
Imagine someone in China made the same kind of movies about their government, he would be shot, killed and put to prison, 2 times, before he could even say CUT.
In USA it is different, you can say whatever you like, whenever you like, as long as it is true and walk around as a free man, guess that is why Moore is still a free man!
Although I saw somewhere something about him being arrested for travelling to Cuba or something, anyone know what that was about?

The Department of Treasury asked him to prove that he works for a news organization, 'cause they never cleared him to visit Cuba...

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U.S. citizens are generally barred from traveling to the communist country unless approved by the government under a broad trade embargo imposed against Cuba since 1962.

The Treasury letter implies Moore did not have authorization, asks for more information and warns of possible civil or criminal penalties.

boldy 06-28-2007 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by WWC-Raffi (Post 12670744)
which tool is was it?

http://www.fuckinhorny.com/cgi-bin/webmasters.fcg :thumbsup:thumbsup

aico 06-28-2007 01:02 AM

He's smarter than you
Makes more money than you
Is more important than you
Has done more than you
He will continue to do more than you

and he's fat... but at least he can lose the weight.

J. Falcon 06-28-2007 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Due (Post 12671055)
He would be shot, killed and put to prison.


:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

beemk 06-28-2007 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12670741)
how many academy awards you got?

someone strike a nerve?

Bdiddy 06-28-2007 01:20 AM

lol...why call him fat?

"Paging Ann Coulter to remark on Clinton's chubby thighs...paging Ann Coulter"

Porn Farmer 06-28-2007 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12670788)
Documentary? Your definition and mine must differ significantly. Mine is: Presenting facts objectively without editorializing or inserting fictional matter, as in a book or film.

You have absolutely no idea what a documentary is.

Objective? No person is capable of objectivity. It's an aburd suggestion. Everyone has a perspective. A good documentary takes a point of view and argues it well. That is what Moore does and he does it very well.

The idea that a documentary should be "objective" is laughable.

Nore 06-28-2007 01:38 AM

I like how everyone uses his weight as an insult. His movies are insightful and pretty damn on point. Deal with it. Whether you like him or not, you'd better get used to him because he's not going anywhere.

baddog 06-28-2007 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Porn Farmer (Post 12671156)
You have absolutely no idea what a documentary is.

Yeah, me and the American Heritage Dictionary are clueless.

baddog 06-28-2007 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Nore (Post 12671195)
Whether you like him or not, you'd better get used to him because he's not going anywhere.

He will be dead within 5 years . . . I can wait it out.

Tempest 06-28-2007 01:42 AM

baddog cracks me up sometimes..

Porn Farmer 06-28-2007 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12671197)
Yeah, me and the American Heritage Dictionary are clueless.

Yeah, you are:

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Documentary texts are supposedly those which aim to document reality, attempting veracity in their depiction of people, places and events. However, the process of mediation means that this is something of a oxymoron, it being impossible to re-present reality without constructing a narrative that may be fictional in places. Certainly, any images that are edited cannot claim to be wholly factual, they are the result of choices made by the photographer on the other end of the lens. Nonetheless, it is widely accepted that categories of media texts can be classed as non-fiction, that their aim is to reveal a version of reality that is less filtered and reconstructed than in a fiction text. Such texts are often constructed from a particular moral or political perspective, and cannot therefore claim to be objective. Other texts purport simply to record an event, although decisions made in post-production mean that actuality is edited, re-sequenced and artificially framed. The documentary maker generally establishes a thesis before starting the construction of their text, and the process of documentary-making can be simply the ratification of their idea. Perhaps, to misquote Eco, the objectivity of the text lies not in the origin but the destination?

The documentary genre has a range of purposes, from the simple selection and recording of events (a snapshot or unedited holiday video) to a polemic text that attempts to persuade the audience into a specific set of opinions (Bowling For Columbine). Audiences must identify that purpose early on and will therefore decode documentary texts differently to fictional narratives.

Modes of Documentary

In his 2001 book, Introduction to Documentary (Indiana University Press), Bill Nichols defines the following six modes of documentary

* The Poetic Mode ('reassembling fragments of the world', a transformation of historical material into a more abstract, lyrical form, usually associated with 1920s and modernist ideas)
* The Expository Mode ('direct address', social issues assembled into an argumentative frame, mediated by a voice-of-God narration, associated with 1920s-1930s, and some of the rhetoric and polemic surrounding WW2)
* The Observational Mode (as technology advanced by the 1960s and cameras became smaller and lighter, able to document life in a less intrusive manner, there is less control required over lighting etc, leaving the social actors free to act and the documentarists free to record without interacting with each other)
* The Participatory Mode (the encounter between film-maker and subject is recorded, as the film-maker actively engages with the situation they are documenting, asking questions of their subjects, sharing experiences with them. Heavily reliant on the honesty of witnesses)
* The Reflexive Mode (demonstrates consciousness of the process of reading documentary, and engages actively with the issues of realism and representation, acknowledging the presence of the viewer and the modality judgements they arrive at. Corresponds to critical theory of the 1980s)
* The Performative Mode (acknowledges the emotional and subjective aspects of documentary, and presents ideas as part of a context, having different meanings for different people, often autobiographical in nature)

These roughly correspond to developmental phases in the genre, when new generations of documentary makers have challenged the forms and conventions that have gone before, and re-invented what documentary means for them.

aico 06-28-2007 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12671197)
Yeah, me and the American Heritage Dictionary are clueless.

So what facts are you disputing in Sicko? If you haven't seen it, it is not the same bullshit like F911. There is actually very little about America in it, it's more about what other countries offer.

GreyWolf 06-28-2007 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Porn Farmer (Post 12671156)
You have absolutely no idea what a documentary is.

Stop being subtle *lol*

HomerSimpson 06-28-2007 04:29 AM

I like to watch his movies...
He tries to make people think about what is going on or what happened...
and that's not an easy task...

PS: Take a look at movie/documentary "The Corporation",
and if that dosen't make you think than you must be a total idiot...

tony286 06-28-2007 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Porn Farmer (Post 12671156)
You have absolutely no idea what a documentary is.

Objective? No person is capable of objectivity. It's an aburd suggestion. Everyone has a perspective. A good documentary takes a point of view and argues it well. That is what Moore does and he does it very well.

The idea that a documentary should be "objective" is laughable.

Thank you someone who knows, I read a book on making Documentaries and that was one of the myths is that a documentary has to be fair and balanced and objective it doesnt.
Also want to know if someone is hitting a mark? If they start producing hatch jobs to counteract the work, there is a good chance the original work wasnt bullshit. You dont go after bullshit, thats why there are no I hate Ann Coulter documentaries.

StuartD 06-28-2007 04:38 AM

So now we're judging people by their weight?
You must really hate a lot of people.

Viowatch 06-28-2007 05:13 AM

I'm not fat, im just big boned who love watching movies decaying on my couch! Natural lubeeee

http://uglydemocrats.com/democrats/U...oore-pizza.jpg

NTM 06-28-2007 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12670741)
how many academy awards you got?

http://biboz.net/humor/piss-owned.jpg

MattO 06-28-2007 05:46 AM

Argumentum ad hominem (argument directed at the person).
This is the error of attacking the character or motives of a person who has stated an idea, rather than the idea itself. The most obvious example of this fallacy is when one maligns the character of another (e.g, "Michael Moore is a fat pig!") A more typical manifestation of argumentum ad hominem is attacking a source of information -- for example, responding to a quotation from Richard Nixon on the subject of free trade with China by saying, "We all know Nixon was a liar and a cheat, so why should we believe anything he says?"

suesheboy 06-28-2007 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 12670833)
Michael Moore:

-Bush is to blame for destroying Irak, the deaths of civilians and soldiers.
-Bush is to blame for the scale of the disaster as a result of his administration's policies and actions
- Bush is to blame for lack of organization going into the war.
- America's healthcare systems has sever problems.
- America's gunlaws are a joke.

Diehard Republicans:


- Moore is fat.

Post of the week

Fabien 06-28-2007 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12670853)
Of course you do, you are Canadian.

I thought that was a rule.

Fuck you asshole

nico-t 06-28-2007 06:54 AM

im starting to think that stickyfingerz is baddog's bastard son, they both have the ignorance gene

stickyfingerz 06-28-2007 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 12672018)
im starting to think that stickyfingerz is baddog's bastard son, they both have the ignorance gene

Im starting to think Nico makes wooden shoes and lives close to a tulip farm...

directfiesta 06-28-2007 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 12670874)
jesus.. a guy states the obvious... that michael moore is a slob and somehow its suddenly about bush and iraq and fox news.

haha

Baddog brought Bush in ...

Read the original post :2 cents:

nico-t 06-28-2007 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12672042)
Im starting to think Nico makes wooden shoes and lives close to a tulip farm...

wow... i never heard that before from you, I am just baffled by your creativity :1orglaugh

Peaches 06-28-2007 07:22 AM

I saw him on Leno the other night. Amazing. The guy doesn't just want government provided universal care, he wants to get rid of private health insurance. The funny thing is that IF that were to happen, he'd be one of the last people ever treated if he has problems related to his weight.

Meanwhile, one of my best friends had a mass on her ovary they found last week, it was removed yesterday, isn't cancer (YAY!) and she will be out of the hospital by Monday. With nothing but a "suspect" mass, I question the people talking about how long it takes to get care here in the US.

At the same time, our largest government run hospital here in GA may possibly close due to lack of funds and horrid mismanagement.

Yeah, bring me the government to take care of me, the private system just sucks /sarcasm

aico 06-28-2007 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 12672103)
I saw him on Leno the other night. Amazing. The guy doesn't just want government provided universal care, he wants to get rid of private health insurance. The funny thing is that IF that were to happen, he'd be one of the last people ever treated if he has problems related to his weight.

Meanwhile, one of my best friends had a mass on her ovary they found last week, it was removed yesterday, isn't cancer (YAY!) and she will be out of the hospital by Monday. With nothing but a "suspect" mass, I question the people talking about how long it takes to get care here in the US.

At the same time, our largest government run hospital here in GA may possibly close due to lack of funds and horrid mismanagement.

Yeah, bring me the government to take care of me, the private system just sucks /sarcasm

Maybe you should watch the movie :2 cents:

tranza 06-28-2007 07:28 AM

Here we go again....

jonesonyou 06-28-2007 07:32 AM

He looks like he has lost weight since his last movie.

TheSenator 06-28-2007 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 12672103)
I saw him on Leno the other night. Amazing. The guy doesn't just want government provided universal care, he wants to get rid of private health insurance. The funny thing is that IF that were to happen, he'd be one of the last people ever treated if he has problems related to his weight.

Meanwhile, one of my best friends had a mass on her ovary they found last week, it was removed yesterday, isn't cancer (YAY!) and she will be out of the hospital by Monday. With nothing but a "suspect" mass, I question the people talking about how long it takes to get care here in the US.

At the same time, our largest government run hospital here in GA may possibly close due to lack of funds and horrid mismanagement.

Yeah, bring me the government to take care of me, the private system just sucks /sarcasm

You should really watch the movie. It may not change your position but it will definitely raise questions.

Peaches 06-28-2007 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by aico (Post 12672108)
Maybe you should watch the movie :2 cents:

I will. But I doubt seriously it will be any less slanted than his other movies and Gore's movie - all which I was told to "just watch and you will change your mind" - never happened. I get my info from MANY different sources and most importantly, personal experiences.

But are you saying he's advocating private in addition to government health insurance in the movie but then says get rid of private health insurance during an interview?


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