Dirty F

They believe they will meet in heaven again and things will be better.

Thats what believing in god does to people

Porn Farmer

The religious - I dont care what cult they identify with - are delusional and cannot be trusted in any way.

Dirty F

I agree. How can you trust someone who believe things mentioned in the bible. You wouldnt trust me if i believe in elephants flying would you? You would say im mad right? I dont see how believing in the bible is any different.

BV

Or when a spouse dies the other spouse sort of gives up on living so they can go and join their partner. Sad.

Dirty F

Bump bump

polish_aristocrat

seriously, believing in heaven is good

when you die, you die happy because you believe/hope that you'll meet in heaven your loved ones

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polish_aristocrat

also the idea that if you're good on Earth, you'll get to heaven is nice

but good on Earth shouldn't mean these crazy radical things, it should just mean being a good, honest person

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Porn Farmer

I would hope to die happy because I lived a full life, not because I believed in a fairy tale.

Varius

Something to try next time you get into a debate with a fanatic:

Ask them if they believe in aliens/ghosts/werewolves, whatever. Most I've ever talked to will deny the possibility.

Then simply tell them, so they can believe in a man performing miracles, a man taking animals on an ark, a man parting a sea by waving a stick, an all-powerful being no one ever sees and so on....but not another type of creature, etc...?

They will have nothing to come back with and you can freely call them hypocrites and tell them they seem to have selective beliefs. That always pissed them off

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million

My g/f is very christian, we argue a lot sometimes heh, of course she will leave me if she knows Im in porn biz :D

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pimpware

So if she is very very very christian she will only have sex after the marriage...

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pimpware

I think that the problem is that the bible its a BIG metaphor and people don't understand that, people always seek for something paranormal, some kind of salvation for a empty life.

It all begins when we question, "what is life ?" "What a hell are we doing here ?", "what porpouse of our life ?", and then because there is no defined answer people tend to explain all that stuff with religion.


Some centuries ago Christians killed people in the name of Christ, today we see Muslins killing in the name of Allah, both religions became distorted because a couple of smartass guys cheated the dumb believers, in the end it's all about power !

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The followers of Lord Archiot would never kill in his name. The Robot God teaches peace through careful manipulation of your surroundings. When those who are loyal to Archiot and his robot horde finally shuffle off of this mortal coil, they are rewarded in the afterlife with a new robotic body in which to manipulate the Megasphere itself alongside the creator and master manipulator, Lord Archiot.

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bhutocracy

I like Dawkin's argument that we are all atheists when it comes to Thor and Odin.. or Allah, he just takes it one god further.

nico-t

sounds like a hypocrite cunt.

Vick!

Wow, what an assumption. I double check your nick after reading the post.

Well, what if they say yes, we believe in ghosts etc. .... what you will have to come up with?

Man, note one thing. If you cannot agree with something you have not seen, you should also not deny it. Because you never know if it was true or not. Otherwise YOU have selective beliefs.

If you go back 1000 years and tell some man that we can travel from Asia to America in less than a day. You can go to moon. He will say you are fucking retard. But are you? Are we? No way! Its fucking truth. But he do not believe just because he have not seen or experienced it. So, if he have right to not believe this (because of not seeing it), he also have NO right to say "Its Impossible" (because he have not seen this goddamn era)

Since you have not seen era of Christ and you were not there when that parting of sea happened. You have no right to say "Its untrue" ..

Do I have a point?

TubeTitans_SusieQ

It might be a Polish thing why i agree, but i like looking at it that way too

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TDF

generalizing rocks!

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Dirty Dane

Why? Most people ARE christians.

MetaMan

exactly,

not everyone is a radical, there are radicals in everything, does this mean the rest of the people are also fanatics? the answer is an obvious no.

Humans think we have everything figured out and only like to believe in things that are right infront of their face. dont you remember the world is flat?

i believe in God (i am not part of any particular religion) but i do not go around pressing my beliefs on anyone. most people with beliefs just want to be left alone and live their lives as a "good person".

i mean how can you not believe in God? there is obviously a universal force that gives you the distinction between good and bad. i think all these crazed religious folk have really turned off the world.

but if you are a strong minded person you should be able to have your own beliefs and not worry about what anyone else is doing.

Vick!

Because its the closest religion to truth.

MetaMan

you have probably never even done this, your post is 100&#37; a "try hard" post. wow you didnt disprove anything, you get a pat on the back.

all you point states is that things u cant see dont exist. which is total bullshit anyway.

Tom_PM

The one thing that matters is that 100% of people who murder/suicide are mentally retarded. People with normal brains simply dont do that.

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stev0

In the US, not in the world.

MetaMan

you are wrong it is in the world:

# Christianity: 2.1 billion
# Islam: 1.3 billion
# Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
# Hinduism: 900 million
# Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
# Buddhism: 376 million
# primal-indigenous: 300 million
# African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
# Sikhism: 23 million
# Juche: 19 million
# Spiritism: 15 million
# Judaism: 14 million
# Baha'i: 7 million
# Jainism: 4.2 million
# Shinto: 4 million
# Cao Dai: 4 million
# Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
# Tenrikyo: 2 million
# Neo-Paganism: 1 million
# Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
# Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
# Scientology: 500 thousand


you have to remember basically all of south america and europe.

Vick!

Dirty Dane

Most people dying in car-accidents are driving cars.

Varius

Uhm I think you read something wrong ?

My post never said these things don't exist but was to show how religious fanatics only choose to believe some things existed while others are impossible.

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Varius

Notice I said 'most I've ever talked to' in my post. I didn't say they will all react that way. If they allow for the possibility of those things then that's great and I have no issue with them.

You seem to have misunderstood my post as well. I didn't say any of my examples didn't exist, quite the contrary. What I am saying is from my experience, many people can choose to believe in those things (specific to their religion) while being close-minded and denying the possibility of oter things which sound equally as unlikely.

Clearer now ?

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Dirty F

So Metaman and Vick, you are basically saying we should believe in elephants flying? The fact that we havent seen one doesnt mean shit so just like with Jesus, although weve never seen any proof we should assume its real?

frostyimpressions

Agree completely.

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Dirty F

When you have that logic how come you are still selective in what you believe? If you can believe in god you SHOULD believe in basically anything. Anything you can imagine might be as real as Jesus and god.

MetaMan

what are you talking about Jesus is proven real, there is no question of that, many religions believe in him as a great prophet but not the son of Gof.

where did i say i believe in elephants flying?

just like i said people thought the world is flat.


as i said i do not fit into a certain religion but i believe in God, look around you, where did all this come from? it just "happened"? you have got to be kidding me that you actually believe that.

I dont know who or what God is, nor do i even think mankind is capable of explaining God, but the thing/person/spirit/watever who started this all is God.

Tom_PM

Prove that "love" is real.

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Dirty F

So you dont believe elephants can fly? Just because you never seen one flying?

You confuse me.

Varius

I think here I'd have to disagree, your environment usually provides you with the notions of good and bad.

For an extreme example to illustrate my point, let's say you are raised by a serial killer and they teach you there is nothing wrong with killing someone. You go out and kill someone and don't feel remorse because you don't know it to be something bad. What force is behind those notions in this case?

Or another example, when you are your dad teaches you to lie, steal and cheat to get ahead. Many people will consider that behaviour morally wrong, but you won't if it's how you are raised.

Of course later, these people might change their opinion but it will be because something/someone makes them realize it is 'bad' (by society's standards)

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Varius

That's exactly what I tried to say in my first post. That many I know DON'T believe in the possibility of everything, only what they pick and choose (God and Jesus but not vampires for instance).

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dav3

I'm glad to see the agnostics and such are catching up. Once we are the majority, the planet can finally start to be a peaceful place.

Stop pushing beliefs, and start pushing knowledge!

D

The math geek in me forces me to point out that - by your own figures - the number of Muslims and Atheist/Secular's, alone, outnumber the number of Christians...

So, no... most of the world (i.e. 'the majority') is not Christian.

There is no majority religion/belief structure.

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MetaMan

look i am trying to have a regular conversation with you here, and you continually bring up the same bullshit point that i answered.

either have a regular in depth conversation with me or dont.

explain your points like i am, dont just make generalized statements with no explanation to try to convince yourself you are smart.

Dirty F

I know why you dont like where this is going because flying elephants is totally ridiculous right?

You choose to believe in god because there has to be more out there, more than we can see. Then you even mention ruling something out because you never seen it is stupid. Then i ask you if you believe in flying elephants and you tell me im talking bullshit. Funny.

MetaMan

i answered your point, and u come back with the same statement.

"flying elephants" is not totally ridiculous, maybe they will evolve and develop wings? maybe humans will develop elephants that grow a set of wings?

i am telling you only idiots like yourself go around saying things are impossible. nothing is impossible, i think you need to expand your brain.

your entire thread is a bullshit generalization in the first place, you are full of bullshit, it is hard to have a conversation with someone with such a small brain.

Dirty F

Coming from someone who believes in god because...because there has to be more...

Right!

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baddog

People that accept the Old Testament as being factual are nuts.

D

The flying elephants thing is kinda weak.

We can see elephants. We can study them. We know what their body mass is like... and we can compare them to birds. We can note that elephants have a lot more bone density than birds. Elephants have heavy jawbones - birds have lightweight beaks. Female birds have only one lightweight ovary. Elephants have 2 big, heavier ones. Birds have wings and feathers - Elephants have a thick and hairy skin.

We can easily conclude that birds seem to be designed (by the process of evolution or whatever) for flight, and elephants aren't.

The concept of an unseen greater force is a bit different, because it's inherently 'invisible' to our senses.

You don't have to believe in the literal meaning of every word in the collection of stories and books and letters known as the "Bible" to believe in a higher power. Call it Karma, call it the Persistance of Life, call it God... call it what you will.

Suggesting that those that don't think the same as you in such matters are idiotic makes you no different than the Bible-thumping zealots you scoff at.

That said, I think the issues in this thread are starting to get confused.

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haig

fuck all christians and silly jews all full of shit
also fuck all arabs and kurds in the world.

baddog

How do you arrive at your conclusions? Because this is what you read in the newspaper?

You have no idea why someone kills their family and then themself unless they leave a letter, signed by all the victims stating you are correct.

MetaMan

where did i say that.

i said because whoever started this all is God.

i never said "heaven or hell" you just come up with bullshit statements that are pre programmed in your head because you are to stupid to actually carry a conversation.