150.........

**See my reference to 4th grade tactics above. :warning


EDIT: on previous page..

Glad to see some people can see through the smoke and mirrors.

While any money given to ASACP is a good thing. If AFF wanted to do something worth while, they would stop funding sites that promote CP.

here we go....

zango = google
pirate bay = google


Lars, when will you realize it is not an "agenda" and it is a fact that a lot of people just do not like the way AFF is conducting business??? about 75% of GFY doesn't like what you are doing and is vocal about it, MANY people speak out about this, not just 1 or 2 people, but many people (affiliates, content producers, site owners, all different types). But you are right and everyone else is wrong and just has an agenda :upsidedow:warning

Even your own affiliates dont like what you are doing but the ones that remained value $$$ more than their ethics.

Let me add this:

Any discussion about "what can be done" should start at home. What can AFF do to limit the spread of CP? It isn't acceptable to point elsewhere and say "they aren't helping" and just give up. Start at home, start with your own issues.

Asking the torrent sites to filter searches will just lead us to pret33n pron and und3rag3 g|rls or even "legal porn (not)". Put up a block, and the people will find a way around it. Limiting search terms is at best a band aid measure that gives short term results - plus they will have to go back and redo this for every new torrent search or torrent listing site that joins the game. It just isn't workable. It might at best give a short term bit of good will.

I just feel that the ASACP should be very careful to deal with a company that hasn't resolved it's own corporate obsession with income at any cost, with the blind desire for traffic without control. I would make a bet right now that the torrent sites have been paid much more than the $10k that AFF is putting on the table for ASACP.

My posts aren't to cause drama, it's to point the contradictions that are at play here. I would hope that contributing money to ASACP would have come with an announcement that AFF will not longer deal with torrent or "you tube" porn sites that would have content on it that cannot be properly documented. Here's to hoping that this isn't just a 10k PR stunt, but rather a start of AFF moving to have a little more self control and a little more respect for content copyright holders and the serious issue of CP on torrent sites.

The asacp is a good organization.


one can find bullshit with anything but the people who shit on the asacp and on AFF in this thread on this topic pretty much prove that they are complete heartless hopeless shitheads. Shit on AFF in other places but here - doing it on THIS topic - is wrongand shows no class and total and complete moronism.

I TRULY believe that and I honestly beleive that the people who have done that in this thread should goto HELL. SERIOUSLY AND TRULY.



why?


Cause if the ASACP amoungst all the bullshit saves just ONE kid from a sexual preditor, JUST ONE FUCKING KID, it's worth the millions of dollars they have raised to date. And honestly they need EVERY penny. Aff has done a lot of people in this industry a LOT of good with their commission and ad checks. Have they made errors in the market - yes, soo have MANY others - Every company has. They are correcting it and moving forward and not ashamed of what they do unlike soo many others. SO be it - shit on them elsewhere for that but doing it here - on this topic - makes me sick to my stomach.

I beleive in the ASACP and their mission statment and have donated money to them for 3 years running now. (I might make Joan dance a bit for it but I always pay - tehe)


Good job Lars. :thumbsup


and on THIS topic - all you haters GO TO HELL and ROT IN HELL cause on this topic if you choose to hate you ain't worth the value of the spit I intend to fling at your face. :2 cents:

I'd like to say any donation made to help someone is always a good thing. Although given the current situation motives will be called into question.

Since Lars is finally speaking up and answering questions in this thread i'd like to say a few things as well.

Lars let's put all the bullshit aside, let's not talk about google, and yahoo and what's being done there, let's not talk about TGP's or regular forms of traffic, but let's do talk about what most people's main issue it torrent sites.

It's obvious you are going to take traffic from anywhere and there is not much we can do about that, we've established this months ago. People are going to hate, bitch, cause drama, and etc.

You said you are working with certain people to eliminate certain search terms that carry your ads.

We all know, and no one here including yourself can disagree that if we go to piratebay, or torrentspy, or many other torrent sites out there we will see AFF and at times Cams.com ads. This is a fact.

If we go to these sites and put into the search bar Chi** Porn, Lolita, 15 year old Sex, etc it will bring up many results and on every one of those pages are AFF links.

I understand you're going to accept torrent traffic if we like it or not.

But, if you support fighting CP, and support ASACP, and really do want to do the right thing wouldn't the proper decision to be to stop accepting their traffic and have them notify you when they have fixed the search feature to exclude any words that relate to CP, Underage and etc and to contact you when they have and you will start accepting their ads again?

I think this would be the proper thing to do instead of waiting for them to fix it and having the ads there.

So it get read

lot of things change in 4 years, You were a good guy then, People respected you then. Now most people wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

You should cancel the accounts of anyone distributing stolen content and donate all their earnings to the ASACP. :2 cents:

With all respect, if you slow down the distribution of CP, maybe one less "on the fence" person decides to start molesting children, which is usually not a single child but multiple children over a lifetime of abuse. Supporting and financing the torrent sites that make this stuff easy to find (and hard to track) is on par with buying ad space in a CP magazine or perhaps putting an AFF banner in the background of the next video.

Sleazy, would you trade links with a site with "pret@@n porn" on it? Nope. Why cut slack to AFF for taking their traffic, knowing what we know (and what has been shown in other threads)?

Nobody is shitting on AFF for giving money to ASACP, more power to them. But if the intent is to help stop the flow of CP, there are many more actions that AFF could take that would help and help immediately (dsicussed above). Congrats for their decision to support the ASACP, but let's see if their actual business actions match up to their charitable donations.

Lars said he was working on "adware collisons" that were fucking everyone here when they were using zango. 6 months later they stop using zango because it was no longer profitable.

Him saying " we are working on it or looking into it" means shit.

shitting on a thread talking about donating money to the asacp makes other people hesitant to donate money to the asacp.

what if someone hesitates to donate money cause a FUCKWAD like you decided this was the place to shit on lars and not on any other fucking thread - there's thousands of them - and with less money a child that could have been saved ends up being molested.

honestly - shitting on lars in THIS thread - you lost ALL my respect.

you're a fucking idiot. do it elsewhere, not here. THINK ABOUT THAT FUCKWAD.

I honestly though you had a god damn BRAIN till tonight.

have a good night sleep knowing your DIRECT actions tonight might have reduced money to the asacp that may have saved a child from CP.

:2 cents:

Call me a fuckwad if you like, but taking money from a company that profits from CP torrents to me just seems pointless - save one child over here, make it easy for a dozen to get abused over there. If the intent is to protect the children and cut down the distribution of CP, then it is something that corporately Various Inc needs to apply throughout it's company, not just for 10 minutes when it comes time to cut a check to a charity.

Before the check was cut, the corporate policies to back it up should have been in place.

Read carefully: I commend AFF for putting 10k on the table - now I hope that they take the OBVIOUS steps in their ways of doing business to match up to thier donation.

Why save only one child when you can save many more? Why do a little good when a whole bunch of good is possible?

you are an idiot.


shitting on someone in a thread offering money to an organization to save children from child porn shows no class and no brain. do it elsewhere, not here. Doing that proves - without a doubt - you're an idiot. Total and complete proof.


you contributed to more children being molested tonight cause with more money the asacp could have saved more.

you will end up in hell for that.

if you arn't already there. :2 cents:

deal with what you can controll.

opening your mouth HERE only hurts the asacp. opening your mouth elsewhere shows you have a brain and care. Doing it here shows you are an idiot.

100's if not 1000's of people in this indutry that will read your comments here - in this thread on THIS topic, will think a LOT differently about you from now on. :2 cents:


there's a time and place for everything. it's why we don't fuck in the supermarket and pee on our food.

you proved you don't have a fucking clue tonight about where to bring up a topic.

I won't get into your argument with the others, but I would like to know your opinion on what I asked lars and if that was a fair solution.

i think if you were THINKING you'd start a new thread on that topic. :2 cents:

#1 you do support it , your ads are right next to it. if you didnt want to support it you would warn your affiliates not to have your ads next to it.. if they continued to display your ads , you close their account just like every other sponsor on gfy but you.



#2 google wouldnt show your ads next to child porn for good reason , THEy HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO KEEP ADS FROM BEING DISPLAYED NEXT TO SUCH TERMS..

go figure.. who woulda thunk advertisers dont want their ads next to child porn.. well almost every advertiser anyways..

a site taking donations from a company that advertises next to the exact same content they are trying to stop makesd absolutley no sense

lol thats pretty low. i'll admit i havent read the entire thread yet , but i dont think anyone suggested not donating to asacp , i think many people just find it slightly ironic that after a month of threads about child porn and aff with zero replies from aff on the matter , then all of a sudden they are donating to asacp ? if they wanted to curb child porn they could stop paying the sites promoting it.. i think that seems pretty obvious to anyone.. ..

the "it's not our problem its their problem" approach doesnt help anyone.. aff needs to be proactive and "FORCE" their advrtisers into using filtering software just like EVERY other search engine or "pseudo " search engine

I've started many threads on the topic and they have gone ignored, also sent e mails, ignored, icq's ignored. This is the first time Lars has spoken out on such things so I would like an answer.

My questions are not intended to bash AFF, to bash Joan, or anyone else.

Lars said he was working to not have his ads appear on pages that carry such things as CP.

Why not pull all ads until that is done?

Wouldn't that make the most sense, and really show he is serious about fighting CP?

For me, this is the perfect place to bring this up. Nobody in this business should be able to buy their way out of responsiblity on this important issue. The issues of corporate responsibility and "walking the walk" are truly important.

"deal with what you can controll." - filtering out torrent sites from their program would be a very good start, and is something they can control. Stopping the harm would be a HUGE step in the right direction and something that AFF could control. Why don't they do it? Why call me a fuckwad - it's AFF that is paying torrent search sites to stay in business, not me. I haven't helped anyone find CP, and I haven't paid anyone to help someone find CP.

IMHO, the ASACP will on the long run lose more donations and more money because at least two of the top end sponsors now are also big supporters of torrent sites (AFF and AVN / Adbrite). It is disappointing, and I hope that the ASACP gets together with these companies and encourages them to take positive actions to stop encouraging and financing sites that have no problem with facilitating the distribution of CP.

Come read this.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=741904

Seems an easier way to stop CP than ranting on GFY.

maybe i'm out to lunch here but with 100's of thousands of accounts AFF has they can't be monitaring where every one is and the location of such can change in an instant as we all know.

sooo I have to ask this

Have you informed AFF though their complain syytem of a specific location of an ad beside CP? and if so what did they do? (gfy doesn't count)

just a thought.......

I have personally sent icq's, e mail's etc numerous times about the links in question and they have gone ignored. I know the icq's go through as one rep contacted me first asking if I wanted to promote them.

If I go to hell, it won't be for financially supporting CP dsitribution, and it certainly won't be for intentionally harming children or helping them be harmed. Anyone who has known me long enough knows that I have spent way to much personal time in trying to get CP sites shut down.

Hell is reserved for the truly fiendish people who profit from the misery inflicted on children.

how much money do YOU PERSIONALLY donate to the ASACP every year?

post a number then you can rant. if you havnt' you're talking out of your ass.


and if you ask what about me - last THREE YEARS i've been on the corporate sponser list of the asacp. Not cybercat (yes they are there too as well with a seperate account) - ME PERSONALLY - from my PERSONAL checkbook. Thousands of dollars every year.

the amount doesn't matter on a person to person basis though - it's that I put my money where my mouth is. I respect those that do the same regardless of amount.


answer that and then we can continue.

hell has space for people who act without a brain hurting the efforts of others who's purpose is to save children from CP.

you are an idiot and you will burn. :2 cents:

For way less than 10k, they can have their Iframe ad server look for the words "torrent" and similar terms directly in the URL. Suddenly, the torrent sites have no ads. Do the same to incoming clicks a simple, simple test, no great complicated deal. Filter for known torrent URLs (not hard to find them) and they could greatly limit their exposure. it won't catch all of it, but just like "saving even one child", stopping one more torrent site from making a buck is the first step to making them go away.

I have brought this issue up directly with someone at AFF, and it "gets referred to the lawyers" which is code words for "nothing will happen". The same times with the same ads keep coming up.

There are plenty of simple things that could be done to limit the issue, maybe a 90% fix - that sort of action would be a huge move that would get my full support - and I think it would get your support as well. it would give AFF a major boost of credibility that would make fund raising for the cause part of a real effort to make a difference.

so you're saying you NEVER actually informed AFF of any infractions and just ranted on GFY about how YOU THINK others SHOULD run their business?


like I said - IDIOT

the same way adult sponsors are dealing with mailers..

no torrents allowed until manually approved , torrent sites that want to advertise need to explain what filtering they will be using to keep child porn and stolen videos out.


first off , theres no reason i should have to point out the thousand of torrents they shouldnt be advertising next to , do you have to tell google not to display your ads on certain pages ? no because they have software in place to deal with this .. not because you had to ask for it

secondly , since when is the most popular adult webmaster board that aff reps frequent NOT a good place to report such activity..

thirdly , i dont make money from ads next to child porn torrents , so who should be the one trying to stop it me or the guy making money from it ? hmm

tip - type child porn torrent in google and visit the top 10 sites , then just cancel all the aff affiliates , that wouldnt be hard to do * just a thought , it would take about 10 mins a day and would get rid of 90% of the problem..

but hey its much easier to make a tiny donation to asacp and call everyone names and say they have agenda's than to hire one single employee ..

i challenge aff to do this simple simple task if they TRULY want to help protect children.

Hire one employee , have them scan the se's for bad torrents.. report violations, close accounts of repeat violators..

very simple , costs almost nothing.. forces torrent sites to either use filters or lose their revenue.

Hi sleazy not trying to argue or get into the name calling drama, but can you comment on what I've said please?

so - let me know if I read this correctly. You have a lot of ideas (good or bad) about how another should run their business but yet havn't informed them of one specific violation though THEIR submission process for such?

Me personally? I don't donate to causes outside of Canada (sorry), but I donate much in my area. More importantly, I woudl think that over the years I have reported probably 200-300 sites to ASACP for investigation - I was reporting stuff to the FBI directly before ASACP even existed. I didn't have to have a organization in place to do the right thing.

Do you have the contacts with your local police force, the provincial force, and the feds? I have them all listed here, and know exactly who to call to report CP that I think I find in Canada. I'm not shy, and I do the right thing - I don't write a check and cover my eyes, I contact the authorities and work to make it go away.

Perhaps you should ask these same questions to Lars - what has AFF specifically done to remove itself from CP listing sites? What is their policies when they spot potential CP? Are they reporting it, or are they just asking their affiliates to take it down? Really... the questions are serious, and they are the same questions that ASACP should be asking of all it's major sponsors.

It isn't about dollars - it's about doing the right thing and doing good.

look up - i did :2 cents:

like I thought.

:2 cents:

Why will you argue and go back and forth with people, but not address valid questions. I am asking your Opinion sleazy, nothing more then that.

asked - answered.

i'm wondering if you are leaking brain cells now?

You didn't read, did you? I contacted the AFF rep directly with the information. I also reported the sites to the authorities.

http://adultfriendfinder.com/go/page...el=&abuse_pid=

Been there, done that - nothing much happened. There is no tracking, no system of follow ups, no way to know if your complain was handled or just dismissed. I don't dump every AFF issue on GFY - but when I know I have reported stuff, and I know others have as well, and I know that the situation has been documented here as well and read by the AFF people, I think it is pen for discussion.

I truly wish you would ask the difficult question of your friend Lars in as public a forum. I really wish for once he would actually answer and show resolution to issues, rather than just blowing us off. Can you manage to ask him the hard questions? Remember, for every dollar you have given to ASACP, Lars and his company may have paid out many time that over to the torrent sites.

Take the whole quote "I don't donate to causes outside of Canada".

Selective quoting is Lars' usual trick. I though your were smarter and more honest than to sink to that level.

no incorrect you must have a very low reading comprehension :winkwink: . i have informed them several times , the sites are still up the torrents are still up..

on that note i reported the same sites to asacp

perhaps you missed the point . i answered your questions now answer mine..


.. so let me get this straight .. you think sponsors should not take it upon themselves to help curb child porn , ? they should simply ignore it until each and every inctance is pointed out to them by hand ? that doesnt help children at all. Thats like blaming a drowning on bystanders not the pool owner for not having a lifeguard.. everyone should help but the pool owner should know better.. and have something in place to protect people..

Actually I've asked you a few questions and you've not answered them at all, you just said I should start a new thread.

My brain works perfectly and I do not need to go to insults to try and get someone into a flame war.

I asked your opinion your own personal opinion on what I had asked, and your reply is that I should start a new thread.

1. if you don't know I have a low reading comprehension by NOW you are seriously fucked up.

2. I still didn't see anywhere where you reported a specific site to AFF though their submission process. :helpme ok i'm dumb but i reread it and didn't see it.

3. Aff has taken sponsers down that don't comply, i've sceen it in the past so I can't see why they wouldn't with a specific complaint to their complaint department. that's all I'm asking there. :2 cents: that's all i'm saying. telling a company how they should run their business isn't something I do.

somehow you can't seem to get it though your peebrain to start a new thread can you?

maybe - just maybe - if you START A NEW THREAD on this topic, you'll get what you want!!!!


think about it

Here you go sleazy

new thread

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...9#post12584839

From what I have been told (by people connected with the company) is as long as their is a "report abuse" style link on the torrent sites, they are considered "compliant" and AFF will continue to allow them into their program.

The basic approach is "if nobody has been charged with a crime, if nobody has filed a lawsuit, and we haven't received a valid C&D, well, it is acceptable".

AFF didn't get huge by canceling large traffic accounts who's traffic comes from questionable sources... what do you think?

umm, did you report the abuse to the torrent site and was it dealt with?

duly noted :winkwink:

i didn't mention i did , but i didnt mention i didn't i just explained its not on my onus to do so. i do things because i am proactive, but i cant spend all day doing it . lars can spend the money to hire one grunt eployee to do it, and i bet he would feel alot better about himself if he did. theres only one small problem with my easy plan.. it would only cost a tiny bit to implement , but it would lose alot of profit perhaps.. if it wouldn't then why would they not have already done it.

hmm i havent seen it happen. i have seen multiple posted sites that have every issue this year of playboy and every playboy dvd this year and last and a ton of other playboy dvd's posted

all are still up and advertising aff , thats about as obvious as it gets..


bullshit.. your telling me you have never said anything about another company in the negative or positive ? never made a suggestion that wasn't asked of you .. think hard before you answer that , dont make me pull out the 50 quote bonanza. :winkwink:





nobody is telling them how to run their business , we are saying stop advertising next to child porn and ripped dvd's of the sites we promote.. this should be obvious.. if advertising next to child porn and stolen dvd's is their "business" then they should pick a new business model . their business is dating , nobody has mentioned anything about dating.. thus nobody is telling them how to run their business, just giving suggestions for the good of the industry.
:thumbsup

Most of the torrent site "reporting" facilities are either bogus pages that don't load, or links to gmail accounts. Neither of which is important. Many of the torrent sites specifically thumb their noses at the authorities, and have relocated to countries that aren't very serious about copyright protection (such as Sweden). They only put up the appearance of concern, I have never had any success at having any illegal material removed from general torrent distrubution.

tehe - you didn't mention - chalk one up for dumb dumb sleazy.


also - it's playboy's concern to report stolen playboy content - unless you started working for playboy :2 cents: the only people who in your case have the right to ask AFF to stop advertising with the content you mention is the company that owns the trademark/copywrite. Aff should legally ignore anyone else from some legal standpoints. :2 cents:

not saying it isn't wrong, just saying who should be asking is all.

unless you started working for playboy and I wasn't aware of it

did you forward the SPECIFIC exmple of CP not being taken down and such to AFF?