so then please explain to me the following:

If AFF runs an ad through an Advertising Network, and that banner shows up on a torrent site, where if someone does a CP keyword search, or views the top 100 list, and there is CP, and their ad is above, how is the CP people benefiting?

It seems to be the surfer that used the torrent networks to download CP video that he didn't have to pay for, that was ripped from a CP paysite (ironically, cheating the bad guys out of revenue).

The torrent website operator is the one that is making the money along with the AdNetwork. There isn't a rev-share going on with the people hosting bits and bytes of the CP file.

So i am not deflecting the issue, i am speaking to more the fire than the smoke.. your biggest concern is really about stolen content... which is what torrent sites faciliate access to.

The assertion that AFF funds CP is ridiculous, unless i am missing the money trail here. The better assertion is that advertising on AdNetworks where ads appear on torrent sites is funding piracy.

Your question was a direct question, but doesn't make any sense "Should ASACP have a sponsoring site that is profiting from CP in any manner?"

AFF profits from ads being clicked on that are being served on web pages that can include CP links, just like its ads show up if someone was searching for Shrek 3. I get it. But how does the CP world in general make the money then as some have asserted?


Fight the money trail!

its very very very simple, do you really think full dvd rips of almost every paysite are a coincidence ? just happy paying members that decide to rip entire members areas and share them with other people. hmm

when was the last time you ever shared your porn with a friend , or anyone you know ? hmm

so you asked for a money trail and ill explain how these guys operate..

Step #1 signup for paysite - cost $29.99 ,
Step #2 rip all content
Step #3 open torrent site , seed files
Step #4 put aff ads on to fund more purchases of memberships

child porn paysite owner makes more money from more memberships that torrent owner was able to purchase using aff ad money , exploits more children..

that wasn't hard to figure out..

you haven't explained it.

so the torrent website operator is actually the CP operator?

it seems to be me the torrent website owner runs the website, has a database of torrent links, and when you click on those links, your torrent app connects to other machines to download the item

in the case of a CP video, that was ripped from a CP website.. maybe you are making the argument that the watermark in the video would help people to know what website to go to, to buy content, when they just downloaded it for free?

if that were the case, sure, the website got some free traffic.. but the AFF ad money got paid to the torrent website operator that has not connecdtion to the CP website.


Fight the take two!

"If, in an argument or discussion, somebody makes a comparison to Nazis or Hitler, the discussion is automatically over, and the person making the comparison is considered to have lost."

i win

Wow, do you read some of this stuff you're saying? It's pretty weak now and seems to serve only for the purpose of defending not only AFF for paying the torrent site who distributes the content, but the torrent sites for distributing the content too now.

Fight the sycophants!

I laughed. You win. :winkwink:

maybe you are just not understanding what i am writing, so:

Advertising on torrent sites is just flat out wrong.

The torrent websites faciliate the piracy of content, and going after that traffic, puts money in the pockets of the torrent website operators (NOT the CP website operators as some are trying to suggest).


Fight the short post!

Wow. I think you have gotten so mentally tied up trying to defend your position that you are confusing yourself.

Let's say I run a website, and every link on the site is "15year old girl fucking her father", but all the actual video files are located on another server. By your logic, I am not distributing child porn.

You obviously don't have a clue how torrent sites work (the files are not stored on a server, they are on various users PCs all over the world, sometimes in little pieces, and using the torrent downloader, you collect little pieces from all over the place). There is no central database of child porn files, and there are no "child porn websites". The child porn isn't HOSTED, it just exists in the ether of thousands of computers of a large and ever changing network of computers. These "torrent search" sites are basically the only way most people can find a torrent and download it. Without the search sites, there would be few people getting access to torrents.

I recommend you read ALL of this to better understand the situation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_protocol

Keeping these search sites online is the key to making the CP (and other illegal, stolen, pirated, or cracked software) available to the general public. The operators don't profit from the files themselves, but from the traffic generated to find those files. Some systems offer a "fast share" system that would appear to give a much more direct access to files, but I have never tried it out.

The indexing sites exist and can be kept online because they make money. They don't discriminate in what they list, so if someone seeds a CP video, they will all pick it up and there is nothing that they can do. A few do some filtering, but it is rough and easily bypassed. Torrent sites depend mostly on users to complain about the quality of files or the lack of people seeding or peering the file to figure out if it is good or bad.

Remove the profit motive, and many of these torrent search sites would disappear in a heartbeat, leave only a small number of sites thumbing their noses at the authorities.

If you read the Wikipedia deal, it is clear that torrent site operators in the US have plead guilty to copyright violations and had their sites shut down. That should be a clear enough indication to US based companies that they are dealing with sites that are not legal in the US. Apparently, AFF doesn't seem to think so.

Don't go off on a bender about "ad networks". AFF uses ad networks, yes... but they also have these torrent sites directly in their programs. If every one of the adnetworks pulled out of the torrents, AFF would still be there.

Knowing that the ad networks are NOT being selective in where the ads run, AFF (and every other company that appears, such as Girls Gone Wild) should pull their ads from those networks until such time as they drop torrent sites. These companies need to drop any and all torrent sites from their affiliate programs.

They won't, but they should.

There are no CP website operators involved. I don't know where you get that impression from.

This thread has gone so far off base it's ridiculous...

How about a few more donaters step up and get some more money into ASACP's hands before we all forget what this is about...

bump for more donations

Come on people! It's money for a good cause! Even if you disagree with AFF business practices, you can still donate to a worthy charity that is fighting to protect our industry.

I am at post 99, and I just have to butt in that I can?t believe that tony404 still doesn?t use some type of computer aid program when posting.

Tony404, your wife is beautiful and you are making money off of her?I doubt the images that are stolen from you attract pedos and are helping AFF?s profits (I could be wrong).

Back to reading the thread and so far kudos to AFF and LegendaryLars, for donating money to help fighting the ugly battle of keeping cp off the web.

:upsidedow

i just did explain it in very simple terms a chimp could understand. you asked for a money trail i explained it in very simple terms.

read the steps i wrote again ..

try answering the question i asked you and the answer to your question will be clear as a bell.

I'll repeat it.. do you think full rips of every paysite just happen to show up on torrent sites ? do you think happy PAYING pornsite customers , go out of their way to rip down entire members areas and then share what they just paid for and alot of work for nothing ??

I know you are not so gullible as to actually believe this.



i have a feeling you are not reading . READ what i wrote above please..


fight the "cloud the issue when the issue is clear"

ASACP is a great cause. No one is denying that. No one should withhold donating money to them.

The issue is whether the affiliation would hurt them if some anti-pornography person found it. ASACP has always spoken out in favor of the industry. It would suck if their credibility came into question by some anti-pornography person who saw their biggest sponsors had ads near CP.

Thank you for the kind words about my wife , I don't make money off of her we make money together she is the webmaster. Give you an example, we are emailed a link that some BT has a full rip of one of my sites.When I go look at the link there are AFF banners on either side of the page. Aff's advertising and accepting affiliates from bt's is funding this type of theft. As for my writing style or lack dont like it dont read it.

Are you talking about the Dating industry?

lol it is totally obvious what this thread is about.

AFF could have just donated the money they are trying to get people to match here. THis was an attempt to get some good PR for themselves.

AFF makes over 100 million a year. coming to us poor folks asking us to donate 10K so they can match it? Why dont they just donate the 20K themselves?.......... because they just tried to buy good PR for 10K.

I know i didn't donate so i don't get to talk, blah blah whatever. I don't play the 3rd grade games and I can see past your 4th grade tactics in marketing and public relations. If my company made 100+ million a year I wouldnt be on GFY asking people to match my 10K donation.

Bad storm coming here so i gotta make this quick. Just to be sure everyone is on the same page here this is what folks are talking about.

http://tampatoker.smugmug.com/photos/162381619-L.jpg

Now who in there right mind is gonna tell me this is right? Soon as i get back online a complaint will be made AGAIN to the proper people.

I still cant understand how anyone can approve of this :disgust

I don't think anyone can approve of this. You will notice that Lars and his supporters pretty much abandoned ship on this thread, realizing that they have little hope of getting anything done here.

I should mention this as well: If you are an affiliate of AFF, you might consider that their allowing sites like this is a sort of disloyal competition - that is that AFF will hold you as an affiliate to a set of rules, and then they themselves will specifically break all of those rules, often putting themselves in a position to profit from your work (example Zango) or by running ads on sites which clearly distribute stolen or illegal material (example Torrents). In effect, they are making it impossible for you to both follow the terms and conditions of being an affiliate and maximize your business, while allowing others (and their own marketing people) to compete against you with more power and tools than you are allowed to have.

It's an interesting question, but I am not a laywer and I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn express, so I can't say one way or the other.

Lars why start a new thread just use this one