With all due respect, over the years I have come to the conclusion that most webmasters don't even know what constitutes CP.

From the piratebay site
Seriously, NO content will be removed. Whatever it is. Do not even write to us about it.

spot checking through google as smokey had suggested in a previous post with keywords: child porn torrent


brings up 2 kinds of results:

1) torrent sites running adnetworks ads for AFF (such as etology.com)

2) torrent sites running affiliate links for AFF


What can be done:

1) report the affiliate ID if an affiliate link. i have read that some have tried that and have gotten no response, and the affiliate links still run in place, so that is an AFF affiliate manager issue to resolve.

2) you can try to report the ad networks like etology to FTC for contributing to illegal sites like contain links to warez and CP, but the problem is that these sites just contain the torrent links and harder to shutdown.

3) contact the adnetwork (such as etology.com) to not accept publisher sites that have connections with illegal content. Good luck with that since they would use the same defense above that there is no illegal activity occuring on the sites

4) contact the Attorney Generals office of the state where the Ad Network is at. sites like ddlspot.com (torrent site) is outside the country, but the ad networks are usually in the US. Prove to them the connection of illegal activity on the website to the funding of such activity through the management of the ad spaces.


All of these things take time and resources to do, and asacp is just not in the position to chase down these angles. Yes, it would help to curb some amount of CP disitributions if these sites were shutdown, but asacp is not policing the internet. It is providing a hotline service so that concerned surfers who come across CP can report it and have that lead be routed to law enforcement (along with additional research and documentation) to assist law enforcement.

If the webmaster community wants to fight content theft more aggressively, which is something FSC is looking into (much like how MPAA as a trade association for the movie industy does), then I would suggest if you have time to be active in chasing down the leads, to volunteer your services to FSC. In addition, provide FSC with additional funding so that it can have resources to specifically combat this issue.

All of this energy put forth on these various posts needs to be harvested, otherwise its just hot air that serves no purpose other than to Bitch-Vent.

I commend AFF for not only stepping up as a sponsor (joining the many other fine companies that have done so for years), but also being active in the support beyond just giving money.

I do feel it is shameful to slam ASACP.. those that are the loudest seem to be the ones who have never contributed and probably never will, and this AFF good news announcement, is just another angle to bash AFF at ASACP's expense.


Fight the CP!

It's got nothing to do with bashing aff, this link was posted 2 weeks ago it has been reported and aff banners still fly above it http://www.torrentz.com/search?q=child+porn&x=62&y=40

right now, i see a girls gone wild banner... but it comes from azjmp.com which is an AdNetwork.

so again, ad networks are running various banners on warez and torrents sites.

Fight the forensics!

$10k thats it?

Yes. Nothing happened.

Wrong. If you have an ad network such as etology that isn't in control of where you ads will appear, you should simply STOP DOING BUSINESS WITH THEM UNTIL THEY ARE BACK IN CONTROL. The idea is to only be spending money when you know it isn't doing harm.

At this point, programs such as AVNads / Adbrite and etology are so not in control of their publisher inventory that your ads could be running next to all sorts of illegal material or activity, and apparently they don't know.

It should also be noted that many of torrent and copyright violation style sites run multiple ad programs on their pages, switching them in and out on almost every page load. They do this I think to limit their losses if they get booted from one of them, and also to keep the ad exposure numbers down to this point where they don't freak out the ad system. It is a system similar to those use by some of the black hat SEO people and toolbar operators to turn garbage clicks into valuable PPC income.

Rather than saying "we know there is CP on these sites, and we are working with them to resolve it", it should be "we know there is CP on these sites so we have pulled our advertising until they resolve the issues and show a clean site on a consistant basis". Continuing to offer financial rewards for sites that don't give a flying fuck about the children is just wrong.

Call me back after you have reported a few hundred CP sites to the authorities, and then you can bash me for not personally contributing to ASACP.

Actually, you could all learn a little history on the issue, because way too many of you weren't there many years ago when this was an issue. For those who have been around long enough, try to remember Andy from Sextracker and all that came with that (peaking at the Cybernet Expo in New Orleans in, what, 2000?). History repeats itself, I guess.

Refresh the page maybe? What kind of Forensics operation are you running? :1orglaugh

The link it belongs to is:
http://adultfriendfinder.com/go/g761958-pct

good work AFF, keep up the good work.

incorrect, AdNetworks CAN control where the ads are placed.

When they accept applications from publishers, they should be reviewing the site for its content. So etology knows it is putting ads on torrent sites.

There is nothing illegal about the torrent website itself (but i think it should since they are facilitating the illegal activity much like websites that linked to DeCSS got into trouble).

As an advertiser, you can select what demographcis to run your ads on.... there couldbe a generic run of network, or an advertiser can be selective.

it could very well be possible that AFF selected the warez type sites because warez and porn go hand-in-hand... or if doing run-of-network, then they don't know where their ads are running.

google, doubleclick, etc all have these same issues.




what you do to stop CP is your own effort (and a commendable one at that). What ASACP tries to do is aggregate that information to law enforcement, in addition to being able to firmly prove that CP websites are not part of the adult industry.

So contributions to asacp does a whole lot more than just send URLs to law enforcement.

Organizations require funding to do its activities.

Your submissions of URLs to law enforcement doesn't help with ASACP efforts.

Bashing ASACP that might cause others to take a knee-jerk reaction to boycott ASACP due to AFF issue (which some have expressed), is only hurting ASACP's mission.

You clearly don't believe in ASACP's mission (like some others), and would probably never contribute/support.. but those that do, aren't fools, they are doing it for the right reasons, including AFF.



i was there, but its all a blur.


Fight the wayback machine!

http://www.torrentz.com That site is not in compliance with dmca. And has no place to report links. So go after that site. Report them to their host etc.

gotta love rotating scripts.

so this is an affilaite link... .so any Mo can join up with AFF, and put links on any page.. CP, warez, etc... this "evidence" doesn't prove that AFF is supporting CP. The find of etology running an AdNetwork goes more towards that suggestion.

AFF doesn't know where affiliates are linking from .. they could of course could, if they checked referer weblogs, but majority programs don't bother.

it has to come down to some external party, like yourself, who sees this, to bring to their attention.. but then what the Affiliate program does with that info next, is the frustration that has been shared.

And that frustration of whether stolen content or illegal content that AFF affiliate links are found is fair game to bring up.

And if you aren't getting results, go to the Attorney Generals office then and do something constructive, rather than bash ASACP that is trying to do things that benefits you and your business.


Fight the finger pointing!

FTP: Ad networks have chosen to allow torrent sites, even though a cursory glance at any of the sites finds stolen content, hacks, cracks, and other similar material. The torrent sites may dance on the head of a legal pin and hide in countries that don't have much interest in going after copyright violators... but that doesn't mean anyone should do business with them.

AFF ads are there in the ad programs. They are there are there directly with Iframes. At least part of this is very, very directly in AFF's control.

I don't care what the CAN do, I care what they actually do. Real actions, not discussions about possiblities and "working with the companies to resolve the issue" all the while taking the traffic right off the pages with the CP on it,without friend's sites ripped right on it, on the pages with the hacks and cracks right on them.

I don't have a real opinion about ASACP at this point. I do think that with the name change and a change of direction, they are no longer really what they started out to be. The only think I have noticed is that while they have a number of corporate sponsors, they aren't very strict about getting those sponsors to support the actual ASACP programs and initiatives. They want me as a small webmaster to use their RTA tags, but they aren't getting their sponsor companies to take it up or attempt to get them to enforce it through their affiliates (last time I asked, they were "working with the companies to resolve the issue"... it is sort of a common refrain in all of this stuff). I reserve judgement on the ASACP because in theory they are doing good work, and I don't want anything to derail that good work. I am never happy when someone comes along and feels they can just write a check and get a nice warm corporate fuzzy moment in the sun.

exactly... much easier target to make something happen.. but only the content owner can file the DMCA request.


Fight the you've got DMCA!

torrentz.com: http://adultfriendfinder.com/go/g761958-pct

This page:

http://www.torrentz.com/7c128b193ef3...a1bb2c5b4aaff5

Now interestingly, inside the torrent file is a number of "advertising files" including datingsites and such. I didn't download the file to look, but it would be interesting to see who is being promoted in this manner, so close to the stolen material.

Hosts have been made aware of it and they laugh it off.

On many of these sites the links in question are affiliate links, and AFF has been notified of them, and has not terminated the affiliate account. Why?

if every affiliate dropped AFF because of the zango issue, because of the other issues brought up in every thread, it would not stop their use of using AdNetworks.

A diversification of traffic sources is absolutely important for a business to operate.

Boycotting ASACP or slinging mud on ASACP, or even ASACP not accepting AFF money as some have suggested, will not stop a business from using marketing avenues. (and all those jumping on the bashing wagon weren't ASACP supports before anyways so the boycotting and the "withdraw of support" from non-supports is sad).

If illegal websites are being funded through advertising dollars, then this is an issue for the Attorney General's office in the state where that AdNetwork is operating out of.

Most are in the U.S. so jurisdiction is easy, if there is a case to be proven.


so what are the solutions? I have heard the complaints and griping, and i have offered solutions or directions for actions.

if there is something illegal going on, then allow the legal system to do its job, but alerting them to the illegal activity so that they can take action.

I completely understand your points.. and ASACP does what it can to support its members in trying to make a difference to congress and to public perception about CP and porn.... that on the whole, the whole industry benefits, while a smaller amount pays for it (no different than PBS funding).

FSC supports it members, but the work they do, also helps all businesses in the industry.

You vote with your dollar in the display of support. Both organizations can receive even small amounts of support, but each dollar does goes towards a mission and goal.


Fight the telethon!

That's a very fair question to ask, and has everything to do with the way AFF runs its business, and NOTHING to do with ASACP.


Fight the apples and oranges!

I have never asked a question of ASACP, my question is the AFF, they can with ease terminate these accounts.

Lars said they were working with their affiliates to have AFF links removed from any pages that carried questionable content, and also said they were working to have their links to be removed from certain specific keywords when searched, meaning any CP related terms will not carry AFF ads. Now if you were doing everything possible to fight CP, wouldn't you pull your links and tell them to let you know when they have fixed this and then they can start listing your links again?


The issues people with ASACP is simple, they "represent" the adult community as the biggest and best anti CP person on the planet. They have now just entered into a rather large public deal with someone who right now has banners on sites next to links that say "15 year old fucks her dad" "sexy 14 year old gives a BJ" "hot underage gangbang" and the list goes on and on. Can you see and understand how this could bring some negativity to your cause, and have people question if you are just about the money, and not about what is actually the right thing to do?

Wrong - if AFF is supporting (or at very least tolerating) the distribution of CP files, then obviously it should be a key concern to ASACP. Fox in the hen house concern. The ASACP is attempting to be an industry leader in the area, and those partners around them should be "best of the best". AFF isn't showing really well.

It isn't apples and oranges. it is exactly the same issue, just different ends of it.

But in the mean time, let's leave our ads on those sites and profit from them?

That is truly fucked up.

Then what do you do? Venting on GFY certainly can help with the 'peer pressure'... but if you believe something is truly illegally wrong going on, then unless you do something, its all "in the mean time".

Fight the call to action!

I wasn't going to hold this discussion in this thread, but it seems that's what everyone else is doing already anyway.

Some program owners through automated methods will deny traffic from certain keywords or urls. Webpower (ClickCash) and ARS for example if I'm not mistaken do something like this. If the word 'child' is in the referring url, it's a simple process to reject the visit. This is one thing that AFF/Lars could incorporate into their program automatically. They wouldn't need anyone to manually check each referrer, etc.

Previously, we have at least one example where they have terminated an account. For example, ImageCash was terminated while ImageFap was not. Maybe they weren't profitable. We can only guess. That was a matter of someone's images being used, and not like the Torrent directories that provide easy access to underage content. These inconsistent decisions to allow one account to continue and thrive while another was terminated rapidly send a confusing message.

Lastly, it's just surprising that ASACP has decided to become more lenient with their sponsorship acceptance. Not long ago you probably would have never seen them approve a company who was not only in bed with these torrent directories in the form of sponsorship, but even debated how they would continue doing so but just have the torrent site not display their ads on the child porn categories or pages. Do you follow that at all? Once the initial surprise passes, it'll probably be business as usual for both companies hopefully this won't end up biting ASACP in the ass.

Does it comply with ASACP Code of Ethics? Is it selectively enforced?

For Reference, this is ASACP's list of unacceptable terms:
https://www.asacp.com/list.html

For everyone else. Please donate today!
http://www.asacp.org/page.php?content=donation

Please reply to my post thanks

I don't own AFF. I don't run the torrent sites. Beyond reporting the torrent sites to the authorities in their country (in this case the netherlands, good luck in getting anything done about torrents there), what the fuck else should I do?

You are long on catch phrases and short on true solutions to address an issue today. You seem to content to allow AFF to continue to make money off of these sites, yet you think I should go out and do something?

Fucking idiot.

What am i supposed to do about it?

What are you supposed to do about it? Demean me just because i am not screaming like you.. and instead, offering calmer discussion that instead of venting, do something actually constructive? I respect content owners rights to keep their stuff from being pirated and understand the frustrations in trying to enforce it (DMCA is not the magic solution, but it is atleast some grounds for actions).

Neither one of us has any power other than to talk about the issues to get some result:

1) peer pressure and community pressure is placed to change internal business policies

2) someone contacts a government agency to do the investigation that has the jurisdiction and the ability to doing more than just talk.


Fight the name calling!

Why is it when someone asks a logical question without name calling and flaming it get skipped over?

if i were running an affiliate program, i would spider the referer URL in the web log files against a list of keywords that as a business owner, i would object to be associated with, and if a match was found, have human eyes review it, and if a true match, turn off that affiliate and hold their money on grounds of TOS, until they cleaned up their act, and maybe even fine them for the labor it took to catch them.

the reason i know this, is because i do this kind of service for credit card processors.. paysites should be the users of my system, but most don't want to know what is going on with affilaites.. but credit card processors do, because it gets them into trouble with mastercard/visa.



yes. and questions of asacp's policies for the Executive Director and advisory council.

i don't believe that AFF says to add networks, place our ads where there is CP stuff.

I do believe it is possible that they know their ads are running on torrent and warez sites, and that CP words/content can appear on those sites as well, that creates this situation.


Fight the blinders!

Duh. We are sitting here right now following your first point, and as I mentioned, your second point is meaningless in the world of torrent sites hiding in non-cooperating countries.

You don't get it - all of this is exactly the peer pressure on AFF and ASACP to work together to take action and not just voice empty platitudes and issue vapid press releases. I have listed many things that AFF could do today (for much less than the 10k they are giving to the ASACP) that would help to lower the profitibility of these torrent sites. Further, as one of the largest sponsors online, they could then turn around and use their position as a bully pulpit to get others to do the same.

They choose instead to give what for them is a token donation to ASACP, and wash their hands of their personal responsiblity in the issue.

If you are going to get upset about something, get upset about something important and take on the people who can do something about it.

Not all the ads that appear on torrent sites wazez sites come via an ad network, many of them have straight AFF linking codes, I have e mailed this sites in question to abuse @ aff and other people within the company and nothing has happened, I have also asked the torrent sites to remove the links and nothing has happen, so of the torrent sites in question do not have removal request areas.

Wouldn't it be in the best interest of fighting CP in any way shape or form to just not interact or do business with torrent sites on any level be it as an affiliate or ads purchased via a large ad company/network until you know and feel 100% certain that your links, banners etc will not appear on any page that has CP, or anything that could be construed as CP?

The AdNetworks that run ads (llike etology) are based in the U.S.

FTC has jurisdiction to target the AdNetworks.

AG office has jursidation to target the AdNetworks.

So my point #2 is spot on as a valid course of action.


Fight the repeat!

This thread turned bad.

I know! He totally avoided mine ( #224 ).

Sorry, but no.

The FTC isn't an enforcement agency for CP. Reporting a company to the FTC for supporting CP or torrent sites will get you as much action as reporting Dubya to your local insane asylum for being an idiot. Pretty much everyone agrees, but it isn't their job to deal with him.

The FBI would be where you would report the actual torrent, but the FBI has made it clear by their actions of the last few years that they aren't even able to handle pure clean CP downloads right off of named servers. Torrents are like trying to catch a school of fish with a rock. Not going to happen.

The sad reality is that torrent sites sit too low down the CP distribution world to merit the attention of true anti-CP international law enforcement, and too diverse and too well spread out to be handled by any one agency. So they sit there in the middle and get away with it.

Further, the torrent sites for the most part are hosted out of countries like the netherlands, sweden and a few others that have shown a great tolerance for this type of activity, not even taking action when prompted by large corporations such as Microsoft or Adobe to work to get their products off the torrents. Certainly a single adult webmaster in Montreal isn't going to have anywhere near the power those companies do, and they have gotten little or no results in most cases.

The only things our industry can do that have great effect is to use the tools at hand. Removing the financial support for these sites, using tools such as DMCA to put companies such as Etology and AFF on notice (and to create potential liability within the US).

We are not blind. We know what few companies keep appearing on these sites, and we need to hold those companies accountable. We shouldn't stand up and cheer when AFF gives 10k to ASACP and sit mute as they make many times more than that supporting the sites that distribute the material on the other side.

I said it before, and I say it again: I commend AFF for making a 10k donation - now it is time for their corporate actions to match up to their donation.

sheesh-o-pete, i don't show any love in responding to EVERY single post, and i get outed. :winkwink:

I am actually waiting to talk to joan on your points Brujah.... so that i can atleast get more informed about the issues that i am not clear on.

Fight the brb!

gotta disagree with you here..

What is the point of asacp ? ( adult sites against child porn )

Seems to me allowing a site that advertises next to child porn torrents would be contrary to their goal ..


Allowing sponsors to pay sites that traffic in cp torrents is EXACTLY what the asacp is supposed to be protecting us from. doing anything they can to help the issue , pardon me for asking how this helps children.. ?

Would you agree with asacp taking donations from NAMBLA ? or the "pseudo cp" child model sites just because they are "technically" legal

you wouldn't involve the FTC on just the CP issue, but the advertising that is done on sites connected with illegal content, including CP.

You should file a complaint to the FTC to the link that I posted.


Fight the inactions!

first of all, the torrents that have been talked about aren't strictly CP in content.

they link to all kinds of illegal stuff, and i don't remember seeing a link that says, click here to show all chiild porn stuff.

it's only when you enter search terms that the CP-related items come up.. and some might not be CP related, but is porn that has filename hijinks.

the Advertising networks like Etology.com will say they looked at the site, it didn't look like CP, and they approved them to be a publisher.. now in that approval process, clearly they are ignoring the fact that like 99.9% (made up number) of the items found on the site are illegal content and should never have been approved.



what can asacp do about the torrent website itself? Assuming it is hosted in the U.S., the content of the website is not illegal, since they don't distribute the files, but i do feel they are part of the problem.

ASACP can't go to an ISP to point out the CP stuff to have shutdown, like it can with real CP websites.

Now on AdNetworks such a AdBrite, Etology, even Google... are you suggesting that its ASACP's mission to go to those AdNetworks and tell them to scrutinize better who they allow in?

Given more resources and an expansion of the mission statement, that would make sense.

i believe the code of ethics already established form asacp would prevent that.... unless you are considering AFF's websites to be psuedo CP.. and thus they shouldn't have even been allowed to join.

This discussion is about what affiliating websites to an ASACP member are doing.

And for that area of policy, that's up to Joan and the advisory committee.

I think there are some great points brought up that will give asacp internally some room to pause and to review.

Fight the witch hunt!

FTP, the FTC won't act on it. Quite simply, they will say "show us the material has been found illegal, and we will work on it". The FTC is at least 2 steps away from where we stand today. There is no proof the material is illegal (not in a judgement sense) so they won't touch it. They also won't get involved because nobody is getting scammed here - the only ones truly losing money are the companies that have had their stuff stolen, and they would be the ones to complain. AGAIN, the FTC doesn't have jurisdiction over a website in the Netherlands, and we go back in that circle of "if it hasn't been proven illegal, we have no motive to go after the advertisers".

Add this: Even if the FTC had some sort of jurisdiction, would we be waiting for the wheels of justice to turn like we have on 2257, or maybe COPA II (1998 law gets a ruling in 2007). Everything you suggest essentially says "leave AFF alone, let them profit from the torrents, until such time as some third party comes in a shuts them down - and if nobody does, well, then it's a great business for AFF".

That is pretty screwed up.

Smokey hit it right on the head:

"Allowing sponsors to pay sites that traffic in cp torrents is EXACTLY what the asacp is supposed to be protecting us from. doing anything they can to help the issue , pardon me for asking how this helps children.. ?"

That is the issue - everything else is window dressing and misdirection. None of us need a lesson in how to report CP, so quit trying to drag the discussion off to that end of town.

The simple fact is anyone taking donations from people profiting from the very thing they are trying to fight is totally backwards.

Whats the MOST EFFECTIVE way for the industry to help children from being exploited.. ?

The answer is simple . stop paying the people sharing it..

If people arent making money off it , the files wont get shared , torrent sites will be forced to filter its results and good bye rampant cp sharing.

taking donations from a site that could be very proactive and help solve the problems but DON'T is silly.

fight the blah blah blah the answer is simple

Smokey, the answers are simple (simple filtering on AFF's behalf, stopping doing business with companies like etology until they get their shit settled, etc). But as AFF showed in dealing with the Zango issue, they just don't give a shit. ASACP really needs to apply their policies here and show AFF the door (and send AVN / Adbrite out with them, but that is another issue).

hmm perhaps they should do the next best thing and ask the sponsor of this filth to help solve the problem , if they are unwilling to help then they are part of the problem not the solution and shouldnt be allowed to donate...

What your alluding to is asacp is powerless against torrent sites and i dont believe that to be correct.

umm yes.. shouldnt this be obvious . arent they supposed to be against child porn ? so shouldnt their mission be protecting against child porn ?

i must be missing something here ..


hmm so us trying to help children not be exploited is a "witch hunt" , us providing links and information and suggestion the sites in qwuestion can take to help is a "witch hunt"

If The "witch" in question is the sites profiting from child porn torrents.
sign me up to the witch hunt.

I love the argument that AFF "doesn't know" "they have 10s of 1000s of affiliates"... "did you report it to them" blah blah.

Of course they know. You would have to look all day to find a single fucking site doing shady shit on the internet that doesn't have an AFF ad right there.

Historically, its been brought up again and again and again since the beginning of AFF. Its nothing new. Its not a new discussion. In fact, its one that goes back almost a decade now.

Thats a pretty backwards argument which ironically is also the most common and same basic argument that anyone stealing content and making money from shady shit uses "oh... uhm... yeah.... report it to us and we'll look into it" -- HUH? Do shady shit all day, everyday and wait for me to catch you and report to you and you'll "take the appropriate action"?

Its not anyones job to police where AFF advertises. Thats AFF's Job. They know exactly that they get a lot of shady traffic from a lot of shady sources. I mean jesus christ... a few months ago, they got busted robbing everyone and hijacking traffic via spyware and basically told you to go stick it in your ass once it was called to their attention. So lets not pretend there isn't an ethics and credibility issue here.


I can't believe you people. We aren't exactly talking about the occasional rogue affiliate getting caught doing something bad (which people would understand).. we are talking about how a business as a whole has ALWAYS done business and CONTINUES to do business.



I can't believe people in this industry. I really can't.


A company happily accepts ANY AND ALL traffic from sites linking to CP downloads and they are supposed to be celebrated for donating a few thousand dollars of the millions they have made from it to the ASACP and few see an issue there?

funny how other big company's don't seem to have this unchecked "rogue affiliate" problem.

:disgust

ironically, a "witch hunt" doesn't target the actual "witch", it pulls in anyone and anything that is peripherlly connected. Look at history during the McCarthy times when the term was brought up... its a mob mentality frenzy that will engulf anyone who doesn't 100% agree with the group.

case in point, i have been labeled a "fucking idiot" now in this thread, along with insinuations that i support AFF's support of CP related sites... but in each and every one of my posts, i have said, if something is wrong/illegal, do something about it.... i have not said its OK to support CP websites.

Torrents show up stuff based on keywords, just like search engines.. wow, i went to google, and i put in "child porn" , or CP related words.. all those advertisers and google should go down in flames.

The pressure to change AFF's business practices should be placed on AFF, not ASACP. Maybe you think the tactic is to pressure ASACP to pressure AFF, but that's not the tactical play...especially, coming from non-ASACP members.

Now if a lot of ASACP members were not happy to have some "villan" of a company joining and to be associated with them, then they would pull their support or lobby ASACP to re-think.

The point of this thread was to support ASACP financially and abstractly in the fight against CP, and to show the differences between CP and Porn (which for those stuck in the adult world sandbox, alot of people from Oprah to congressman think there is no difference)......

There are plenty of discussion points about affiliate programs, but those are for other threads, instead of this asacp bashing one.

Now if you want to talk about cleaning up affiliate programs, point me to those threads.. and don;t say this one.


Fight the so long and thanks for all the fish!

They might believe that your words aren't really meant to discover a solution, but instead to deflect heat from AFF which is the point of the discussion. Others in this thread have certainly done that and at times your words have seemed to do the same. I mean afterall, it's good to attempt all the above but a good place to start would be directly with AFF's support of torrent directories and sites.

You're wrong here. That's like saying Blogs are just like search engines. These sites have categories, tags, top 100's and some make it trivial to locate specifically what you want. A search is just the easiest way sometimes. Like I mentioned previously, the Pirate Bay for example publishes it's Top 100 and a significant portion are for child model pics, young and lolita clips, etc. A search isn't necessary.

the real issue here, is that AdNetworks like Etology, etc should not be accepting torrent sites or any site that is known to faciliate access to illegal files.

the other issue, is that AFF shouldn't be buying advertising in AdNetworks where there ad could appear on a torrent site. There are ways to control where your ad runs.

The AdNetworks would try to disagree.. case in point to myspace.com

Adverister banners were flying at the top on pages that had naked people on it.

Advertisers went crazy and pulled their ads.

Myspace, said they couldn't control where the ads were running.

so yes, it would be good to hear of any adult industry company that has been brought to their attention that their banners are flying on websites that are harmful to the industry (ie. stolen content, cp, etc), and drop that Adnetwork, or drop that affiliate, then that would better serve all.


Fight the summary!

FTP, you don't get it - AFF not only buys ads on these third party ad networks, but they are also accepting traffic directly to their program from torrent sites as affiliates. They aren't getting snookered by an "oops"... they are permitting it even after being informed. This isn't "oops, someone else did it". They know. They don't act. They don't take the simple steps to prevent it.

You are deflecting the discussion away from the main point: Should ASACP have a sponsoring site that is profiting from CP in any manner? Does it not seem to be a direct conflict of interest here?

Why do you keep falling back to the ad networks? What makes you think it's always an ad network? The Torrentz example given before was not.

Or even to say that Company A is doing it, we will do it too. In this example, Company A isn't paying for sales from a company involved in the distribution of underage content.

Fight the .. weapons of mass distraction? :winkwink:

lol your example is flawed. the term was used to try and lebel anyone who complains as being in a witch hunt. a common tactic to say " its not me its only my partner , this is a witch hunt "


we are !! we are doing the BEST thing to fight the probl;em not a useless way to tackle it by webmaster actively seeking out child porn to report because the company is too lazy to do it themselves. this is like a store asking the public to report theft and not hire security.

wanna know why i know you didnt do that ? because google has a COMPREHENSIVE PLAN to keep that shit away from advertisers No advertiser WANTS that traffic ( well almost no company ) so they ACTIVELY remove advertisers from those terms. ( who woulda thought a company would have some ethics and do this on their own )



HINT HINT..

I'm certainly not targetting aff , i dont think any site that advertises next to child porn torrents should be allowed to donate to something that is against child porn , do you think the naacp would allow donations from klu klux klan advertisers ?

dont try and cloud the issue , if you advertise next to child porn torrents you shouldn'y be donating to a site that doesnt agree with exploiting children..
do you really believe this ?

multi million dollar company been around for ages , this last month theres been dozens of threads pointing out aff and its relationship with torrent sites and cp and all of a sudden they make a tiny donation to an anti-child-porn agency .. hmm great timing..:winkwink: pardon me for thinking not everyone is so gullible.