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Jace 12-14-2006 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrzeygirl (Post 11527724)
Hey Slick - Sorry to hear of your troubles. Check out Moniker. Give me a shout to discuss when the dust settles :thumbsup

THANKS

Regards,
~Bari
[email protected]
ICQ: 241012785

"Moniker is the first and only provider of Domain Asset Management"

how nice of you to spam a guy while he is down!

DutchTeenCash 12-14-2006 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrzeygirl (Post 11527724)
Hey Slick - Sorry to hear of your troubles. Check out Moniker. Give me a shout to discuss when the dust settles :thumbsup

THANKS

Regards,
~Bari
[email protected]
ICQ: 241012785

"Moniker is the first and only provider of Domain Asset Management"

AND here comes the leeches

Hes in reg lock smartass

jact 12-14-2006 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrzeygirl (Post 11527724)
Hey Slick - Sorry to hear of your troubles. Check out Moniker. Give me a shout to discuss when the dust settles :thumbsup

THANKS

Regards,
~Bari
[email protected]
ICQ: 241012785

"Moniker is the first and only provider of Domain Asset Management"

Wow, bottom feeding, kudos to you.

TampaToker 12-14-2006 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrzeygirl (Post 11527724)
Hey Slick - Sorry to hear of your troubles. Check out Moniker. Give me a shout to discuss when the dust settles :thumbsup

THANKS

Regards,
~Bari
[email protected]
ICQ: 241012785

"Moniker is the first and only provider of Domain Asset Management"

jesus christ :Oh crap

Slick 12-14-2006 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrzeygirl (Post 11527724)
Hey Slick - Sorry to hear of your troubles. Check out Moniker. Give me a shout to discuss when the dust settles :thumbsup

THANKS

Regards,
~Bari
[email protected]
ICQ: 241012785

"Moniker is the first and only provider of Domain Asset Management"

Thanks I'll be sure to look into it :)

jact 12-14-2006 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11527735)
explain what law supercedes the terms and conditions on their site that slick agreed to where he grants them the right to do exactly this.

otherwise.. you people should really shut the fuck up about "rights" and "illegal"

Terms and conditions cannot knowingly or unknowingly force someone to break the law. There are such things as privacy laws for a reason.

Nookster 12-14-2006 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jact (Post 11527722)
Sued or not, you can't take allegations back, you can't take what people think of you back, you can't reverse the damage that this will do to slick for the rest of his life.

True, but making it on the news by suing for defamation of character and winning proves he/she was not doing what they are blaming...but of course those stories never make it into the media.

sextoyking 12-14-2006 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budsbabes (Post 11527711)
pretty obvious who directnic is seeding talking points to around here imho.


I love it, talking points :) LOL

Look your talking about one of the largest registers out there. As others have said they didn't wake up a few days ago and decide to go on a mission..

What could a headline be?

"Domain Registrer Directnic shuts down domains of suspected porn barron with young looking girls"

Who do you think the "mainstream" of american public would side with.. I am a big supporter of the 1st ammed, etc, etc but there is more to this story guys and gals.

Corona 12-14-2006 12:45 PM

Very bad move on the part of DirectNic.

Not that it will make a huge difference to DN but I just bulk transfered all my domains to Moniker.

RawAlex 12-14-2006 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jact (Post 11527722)
Sued or not, you can't take allegations back, you can't take what people think of you back, you can't reverse the damage that this will do to slick for the rest of his life.


Actually, can you find any allegations anywhere? I don't see any. Had Slick not brought this to the boards, there would be nothing public about it. I don't think Directnic has said anything in public about the sites specifically having CP images on them.

There is also a black hole of information here. Everyone is assuming that DN is operating as a rogue company, randomly closing domains. You might think perhaps that there is just a little bit more to the story than that?

jumping to conclusions...

jact 12-14-2006 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nookster (Post 11527750)
True, but making it on the news by suing for defamation of character and winning proves he/she was not doing what they are blaming...but of course those stories never make it into the media.

You really think him winning a defamation of character suit would make his relationships with his neighbors improve? They're going to fear he's a child predator and make him a pariah.

NoComments 12-14-2006 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Slick (Post 11527667)
Ya know, I make more money in one month than I used to make all year at my old job.


ya know, you'd make much more money killing prostitutes, robbin' banks, much more than running CP real or pseudo.
What holds you?

RawAlex 12-14-2006 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jact (Post 11527748)
Terms and conditions cannot knowingly or unknowingly force someone to break the law. There are such things as privacy laws for a reason.


... and exactly which US privacy law would be broken here?

Nookster 12-14-2006 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jact (Post 11527760)
You really think him winning a defamation of character suit would make his relationships with his neighbors improve? They're going to fear he's a child predator and make him a pariah.

Read everything I said in my last paragraph please.

jact 12-14-2006 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11527769)
... and exactly which US privacy law would be broken here?

They requested to see age documents on models on his website, are they appointed representatives by the DOJ?

Slick 12-14-2006 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winetalk (Post 11527766)
ya know, you'd make much more money killing prostitutes, robbin' banks, much more than running CP real or pseudo.
What holds you?

Ya know, I'll have to say it again, I HAVE NO CHILD PORN ON MY FUCKING PAGES !!!!! There are sites out there that are CLEARLY showing child porn, why not go after them.

What the fuck is this, the fucking Pat Robertson Messageboard ???

Pleasurepays 12-14-2006 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jact (Post 11527748)
Terms and conditions cannot knowingly or unknowingly force someone to break the law. There are such things as privacy laws for a reason.

is a pic/date of birth considered personally identifying information?

Cassie 12-14-2006 12:49 PM

all the opinions and advice (with respect to a few) mean nothing.

speak with your legal counsel (as was advised by a few here) for everything here is just spouting speculation. period.

Pleasurepays 12-14-2006 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jact (Post 11527787)
They requested to see age documents on models on his website, are they appointed representatives by the DOJ?

Can you show us where The Federal Privacy Act talks about representatives of the DOJ?

RawAlex 12-14-2006 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jact (Post 11527787)
They requested to see age documents on models on his website, are they appointed representatives by the DOJ?

No, they asked to see a picture ID and date of birth only, no personal information, which would not be a violation of privacy laws, because no personal information is shown.

Only the AG (or his appointed staff) may make an official 2257 inspection. Directnic didn't ask to make a 2257 inspection.

jact 12-14-2006 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11527800)
is a pic/date of birth considered personally identifying information?

I give up, you're entirely right.

Jakke PNG 12-14-2006 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11527800)
is a pic/date of birth considered personally identifying information?

What if the content(ID) was shot in 1997 and the girl was born in 1984?
What does the ID prove in that case? You sort of need full docs to make any use of the ID's..

HostGladiator 12-14-2006 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11527800)
is a pic/date of birth considered personally identifying information?

Yes, that pic/DOB can also contain (depending on the state) social security number, blood type and of course a home address.

RawAlex 12-14-2006 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slick (Post 11527797)
Ya know, I'll have to say it again, I HAVE NO CHILD PORN ON MY FUCKING PAGES !!!!! There are sites out there that are CLEARLY showing child porn, why not go after them.

What the fuck is this, the fucking Pat Robertson Messageboard ???

No, it would be the "porn people tired of having the US federal government on our heads because we are too fucking stupid to control ourselves" messageboard.

Carry on.

RawAlex 12-14-2006 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by insomniac768 (Post 11527828)
Yes, that pic/DOB can also contain (depending on the state) social security number, blood type and of course a home address.

it's called a sharpie marker. Get one.

Peaches 12-14-2006 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jact (Post 11527787)
They requested to see age documents on models on his website, are they appointed representatives by the DOJ?

My bank asked me for a picture ID when I wrote a check for cash yesterday. The stores ask for one when I use my credit card or write a check. They aren't representatives of the DOJ either :thumbsup

DN is loaded with lawyers. I can't imagine they turned Slick off without a reason, but if they did, he has EVERY right to sue them. He already has an attorney. I suspect, like when he first approached this situation by making a post here instead of contacting DirectNic or his attorney, that he again posted here before knowing the story of what's going on.

But AGAIN, for those of you who feel someone's "seeding" me, lol, if DN screwed up, they deserve to be sued.

RawAlex 12-14-2006 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeenGodFather (Post 11527825)
What if the content(ID) was shot in 1997 and the girl was born in 1984?
What does the ID prove in that case? You sort of need full docs to make any use of the ID's..

Same arguments as before. Trust me, anyone shooting CP ain't getting model IDs, and ain't staying in contact with the models after to get a current ID.

CP people don't keep 2257 records... and that is the point.

jact 12-14-2006 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11527849)
My bank asked me for a picture ID when I wrote a check for cash yesterday. The stores ask for one when I use my credit card or write a check. They aren't representatives of the DOJ either :thumbsup

DN is loaded with lawyers. I can't imagine they turned Slick off without a reason, but if they did, he has EVERY right to sue them. He already has an attorney. I suspect, like when he first approached this situation by making a post here instead of contacting DirectNic or his attorney, that he again posted here before knowing the story of what's going on.

But AGAIN, for those of you who feel someone's "seeding" me, lol, if DN screwed up, they deserve to be sued.

I fail to see how a bank asking YOU for YOUR id compares to DN asking Slick for the model's id. Third party identification is not first party identification and this argument doesn't stand up.

scardog 12-14-2006 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11527849)
My bank asked me for a picture ID when I wrote a check for cash yesterday. The stores ask for one when I use my credit card or write a check. They aren't representatives of the DOJ either :thumbsup
.

That is a little different. They didn't ask the model for their IDs, they asked a 3rd party to provide it. But, if you are going to have models that look as young as those, you are likely to be harrassed by someone.

sextoyking 12-14-2006 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11527834)
No, it would be the "porn people tired of having the US federal government on our heads because we are too fucking stupid to control ourselves" messageboard.

Carry on.


True, I was gonna write something like that. Gold rush days are over, this is business pure and simple.

If your sites and pages are totally legit, I would imagine you have nothing much to worry about..

I don't have any domains with DN - as a business person I know they didn't just close down domains for no reason at all, wouldn't serve a purpose...

Nookster 12-14-2006 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jact (Post 11527857)
I fail to see how a bank asking YOU for YOUR id compares to DN asking Slick for the model's id. Third party identification is not first party identification and this argument doesn't stand up.

Very well said. If only everyone would be smart enough to know that difference. :2 cents:

HostGladiator 12-14-2006 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11527848)
it's called a sharpie marker. Get one.

I have plenty, thanks.. Sharpie it out and you run the risk of them saying you altered the ID.

jact 12-14-2006 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11527854)
Same arguments as before. Trust me, anyone shooting CP ain't getting model IDs, and ain't staying in contact with the models after to get a current ID.

CP people don't keep 2257 records... and that is the point.

You seem to need a refresher on why we have 2257 then.

Pleasurepays 12-14-2006 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeenGodFather (Post 11527825)
What if the content(ID) was shot in 1997 and the girl was born in 1984?
What does the ID prove in that case? You sort of need full docs to make any use of the ID's..

i'm not saying anything one way or the other. but to answer your question... they didn't ask to see everything. they wanted a pic/date of birth... they could have clarified that. however, i am fairly certain that they put some thought into the request before they made it being that they have in house legal staff and were threatening to interrupt someones business.

also... i would speculate that asking for information doesn't violate any privacy laws. providing information in a way that violates privacy laws would. holding someone hostage while requiring them to provide information that is not lawful for them to provide, i doubt means that DirectNIC is violating any federal or state privacy laws. privacy laws are centered around information and how it must be stored and when and how it can be shared in various circumstances and in various situations (medical records, financial records etc etc)

JFK 12-14-2006 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jact (Post 11527722)
Sued or not, you can't take allegations back, you can't take what people think of you back, you can't reverse the damage that this will do to slick for the rest of his life.

wise words:2 cents:

scardog 12-14-2006 12:58 PM

How would he provide the IDs, if he was using FHGs? Will programs provide those to affiliates?

crockett 12-14-2006 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slick (Post 11527580)
I haven't heard anything from them since yesterday, so I'm not sure why they just pulled the plug without warning.

If you see the sponsors listed on my page, you'd see that they are ALL legit sponsors. IF the girls are all 18, it's legal, case closed. It shouldn't be "well, they LOOK younger than 18, it's illegal, shut it down".

Damn man I feel for you. I had already made up my mind to move my domains away from them because of the way they are handling this. This just confirms it.. What a bunch of ass hats.

On a side note, I know all your thumbs are sponsor hosted FHG's however even myself being in the teen niche I kinda thought some of your thumbs were a bit pushing it. Not just the teen stuff but even some of the others.

However that's just my personal opinion and I do think DirectNic is way out of line here. I hope you sue the shit out of them because I know your network brings in some good money. They are causing a lot of lost income with this stunt which will be hard as hell to recover.

baddog 12-14-2006 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeakEasy (Post 11527716)
That is 100% true. DN didn't just decide to hassle you one day, they have orders to do so. Get your Lawyed NOW and prepare for the feds. This isnt a matter of DN thinking somethings wrong with your sites, it's much higher than that.:2 cents:

this is pretty accurate I would guess

RawAlex 12-14-2006 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by insomniac768 (Post 11527869)
I have plenty, thanks.. Sharpie it out and you run the risk of them saying you altered the ID.

wow... this isn't a 2257 inspection dude! Nobody is going to bitch for black lines of un-required info!

SiMpLe 12-14-2006 12:59 PM

Holy shit!


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