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just a punk 12-15-2006 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11535293)
FACT - its an old discussion. been done to death. they are not liable for the content they index. just as this forum is not liable for images that are posted.

want answers?... start searching. i am not your legal assistant.

No, no... I don't wanna dig for the board discussions bceause they DOES NOTHING in court. I need a quote from the LAW. Is that so hard to quote an official paper? Hmm... :disgust

Pleasurepays 12-15-2006 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pornonada (Post 11535498)
out of curiousity, do you think it would have been different if he wasn't US, but Swedish or Dutch for example?

since we don't know 100% of the facts, i wouldn't know. since i am not them and not a member of their legal team, i couldn't say what they would do.

I find it extremely difficult to believe that there isn't a lot more going on than people realize. if there isn't, i would extremely dissapointed. I would say that its quite safe to say that Slick (and most likely many others) are squarely in the center of a very serious government investigation

Pleasurepays 12-15-2006 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 11535611)
No, no... I don't wanna dig for the board discussions bceause they DOES NOTHING in court. I need a quote from the LAW. Is that so hard to quote an official paper? Hmm... :disgust

as i said... i am not your legal assistant. if you want answers.. find them. otherwise, i can bill you at 150.00 an hour and find them for you. i require 50% retainer in advance and will bill 5hrs minimum, should you choose to retain my services.

Pleasurepays 12-15-2006 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Winetalk (Post 11535345)
I just posted the images of me sucking my own cock on this baord...

2 questions:

1) you think they gonna be in trouble?

2) do I need to hire bonafide chiropractor? My back hurts.....

according to the logic of most... you can just ignore any and all law completely, push every possible boundary in an area of law which is gray at best, yet carries extremely serious consequences for crossing the line.. then wait until you get into serious trouble... plead ignorance and then just start calling people Nazi's and blame either Bush or the nearest Republican of your choice.

KCat 12-15-2006 06:26 PM

Slick - have you been able to get IDs from sponsors yet? The sites that are still up have a lot of questionable looking thumbs (to me) & I wouldn't leave this matter to just firing an email to a support address. Get at least a few IDs to DirectNic & maybe that will be enough to get your sites up & making money again so you can fund your lawyer.

With the current privacy laws I think it's insane for DirectNic to expect personal data to be handed out freely, but I certaintly wouldn't want to be in the position of arguing that point while my sites were locked down.

Good luck.

jscott 12-15-2006 07:10 PM

this is fucking sad!!!

Slick when your sites are back pls hit me up to reactivate trades

this is fucking bullshit

good luck Slick, i feel for you man, that is messed!!!!!! :mad:

will76 12-15-2006 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11535060)

we are not talking about some guy in Canada or in the UK.. we are talking about someone right here in the US who has absolutely no defensible position for not having the docs. (turning them over to another party is a different issue)

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Actually he does have a defense for not having the docs. If he is telling the truth that he is a FSC member then he would be protected under the injunction from being required to show docs on the sponsors content.

Being that he says he has an attorney and that doesn't seem like the case one can only wonder if he really is in the FSC as well.

The injunction does not make you immune from CP violations. So if he was visited by the police he *shouldn't* be in trouble for 2257 violations. However if all of the images could not be verified through his sponsors then he would be in a world of shit for CP violations.

will76 12-15-2006 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jscott (Post 11535810)
this is fucking sad!!!

Slick when your sites are back pls hit me up to reactivate trades

this is fucking bullshit

good luck Slick, i feel for you man, that is messed!!!!!! :mad:

Since you are in big support of him and do trade links with him i took a look at your site, out of curiosity.

The first one i noticed you do not use thumb images on your TGP. DO you do that because of the laws? or was that just done that way for other reasons.

I did notice your trades. Not picking on you because I am sure most "teen" TGPS have trade lists with similar names,

Little Girlies-teen site with lots of updates
Sexy Teens-beautiful young teen babes
Short Teen Skirts-cute & hot girls in short skirts
Your Dirty Mind-the best sex & erotic weblog
Classy Post-
Petite Teenager-sexy petite teen girls
Milkmans Teens-hot pics of amateurs & teens
Russian Schoolgirls-hottie russian college girls
Twisted Teens-your honest guide into erotica
Real Amateur Pics-hottest & cutest teens
Go Girls Go-pretty nude girls all over
Angels Links-awesome teen links & pics
Tight Virgins-hot tight virgin teens
Upskirt Cuties-upskirt picts of cute teens
Young Girl Galleries-25 new galleries every day!

Ok so most of them aren't that terrible. But a site named " Young Girl Galleries" who names their site that ? I find names like that disturbing especially when you go there and the models look 12, 13, 14 years old, etc.

Webby 12-15-2006 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11536406)
The injunction does not make you immune from CP violations. So if he was visited by the police he *shouldn't* be in trouble for 2257 violations. However if all of the images could not be verified through his sponsors then he would be in a world of shit for CP violations.

Try this one Will...

Understand the request was for photo ID with a DOB etc. OK, failure there may be a 2257 offense.

To enter the realm of "CP" or child abuse, there needs to be evidence - hard fact evidence, ie.. not that this or that girl looks like 15 blah. If there is no question that the images are genuinely of kids, that's prob another matter for a prosecutor and, don't know that scenario, but prob easier to formulate charges.

If there is "vagueness" about age and it's a maybe, maybe not scenario, there is prob a need to get solid evidence and means a few channels of investigation to see where than leads. If a sponsor is foreign-based, there is no problem having that handled by the Virtual Global Taskforce or whatever liason is customary and having eg a law agency in France or the UK checking out a local sponsor etc. It would be pertinent under the laws of these countries where "CP" is illegal tho they would not be interested in enquiries under USC 2257 - the issue would be mainly whether the subject is of legal age.

Only my :2 cents: - this is one crappy scenario to be in - either way. Tho, hell - really depends on what investigators see. There is a chance they may already know of the images (digital database stuff) and know the subject is not a child or, hell knows - could go either way, but it's not a comfortable position.

NoComments 12-15-2006 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KCat (Post 11535661)
Slick - have you been able to get IDs from sponsors yet?


Slick is abscent today and for a good reason.

Slick learned the lesson that
"Silence is golden" and can do miracles,
the lesson EVERYBODY can take to the heart.

d00t 12-16-2006 12:39 AM

Just finished transferring over a few loose domains that were with directnic.

directNIC Account Stats
Domains in Account: 0


If anyone else needs a registrar that won't shut you down for any reason hit me up and I will take care of you.

pornonada 12-16-2006 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by d00t (Post 11536788)
Just finished transferring over a few loose domains that were with directnic.

directNIC Account Stats
Domains in Account: 0


If anyone else needs a registrar that won't shut you down for any reason hit me up and I will take care of you.

i suggest http://www.gandi.net . Seems it's one of the view Registars that give you FULL ownership/property for your domain. It's located in France where Domains are handled as Property. Due their Stats they seem to be the 6th largest Registar in Europe. I'am still searching and reviewing other Registrars, but seems this one is top notch and even on the same price level or cheaper than DirectNIC. Something everybody interested in REALLY OWNING his DOMAIN shoud check.

Perlover 12-16-2006 11:00 AM

Slick, your sites are working now?
I see that theirs are working
I have turned on trades

CDSmith 12-16-2006 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11535641)
as i said... i am not your legal assistant. if you want answers.. find them. otherwise, i can bill you at 150.00 an hour and find them for you. i require 50% retainer in advance and will bill 5hrs minimum, should you choose to retain my services.

So you are one of them low-level lawyers then. Mine charges me $400 an hour.

Do you accept Candadian clients? :D

CDSmith 12-16-2006 11:30 AM

Love the double post.

No wait.... HATE the double post. And hate the god-aweful LAG on GFY lately. :(

will76 12-16-2006 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11536510)
Try this one Will...

Understand the request was for photo ID with a DOB etc. OK, failure there may be a 2257 offense.

To enter the realm of "CP" or child abuse, there needs to be evidence - hard fact evidence, ie.. not that this or that girl looks like 15 blah. If there is no question that the images are genuinely of kids, that's prob another matter for a prosecutor and, don't know that scenario, but prob easier to formulate charges.

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I remember an attorney saying, (court) if you don't have age docs and someone thinks the image is CP then they will bring in expects to analyze the image and make a case that it is without a doubt a minor. You will have someone say otherwise, it will be left up to a jury. But when she looks 13 to everyone here, what do you think a jury is going to think when youhave no proof to show otherwise.

* not that you don't have age docs and the affiliate company does. If it can be proved by getting the docs from them then you can show she is legal age. But what happens when you hit them up and they say oh shit, we can't find that one ? And the photographer is long gone, no way to contact the model. etc..

Etik Media 12-16-2006 03:16 PM

When ............

JD 12-16-2006 03:50 PM

jesus christ... I just jumped from page 8 to here and it's pretty much the same argument...

Webby 12-16-2006 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11538016)
I remember an attorney saying, (court) if you don't have age docs and someone thinks the image is CP then they will bring in expects to analyze the image and make a case that it is without a doubt a minor. You will have someone say otherwise, it will be left up to a jury. But when she looks 13 to everyone here, what do you think a jury is going to think when youhave no proof to show otherwise.

* not that you don't have age docs and the affiliate company does. If it can be proved by getting the docs from them then you can show she is legal age. But what happens when you hit them up and they say oh shit, we can't find that one ? And the photographer is long gone, no way to contact the model. etc..

True.. your first para could be the easy way out for a prosecutor if that could be found acceptable in whatever jurisdiction (Obviously clean cut issues where it is clearly a child have more chance).

Hard to say and depending on the circumstances - got a feeling if the issue was obviously related to "CP" - law enforcement in other countries would be giving sponsors an early rise from bed in the morning, removing all computers, hard drives and any documents from offices and homes and taking statements until it was established one way or other :) Tho, got to be good grounds for that and with court orders for search and seizure - but can happen very quickly and little discussion.


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