Paul Waters

This is only a big deal to your egos.

The world knows you like to invade countries. Make regime changes. Assassinate foreign leaders who you do not approve of.

North Korea knows that you want to invade them. Bush grouped them as one of the Axis of Evil.

Just make peace.

Assure North Korea that you won't invade them. It is not a hard thing to do.

They just want to be able to defend themselves. Accept that. Don't sweat them developing the means to defend themselves.

It is not like they will try to invade you or anything.

It just means that you can't invade them.

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Did you smoke?

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Cigar after a round of golf.

Why?

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i could understand the first part, but second was too difficult...
well, America has big ego. When i started ti read the news from other nonamerican sites, i realised that Korea has nothing to do with America in this case.
With the same success some UK can say: the arm can reach UK ! they are going to attack us!

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Bdiddy

worthless thread

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stickyfingerz

Expect to see military bases get bombed at a minimum if N. Korea doesnt pull their head out of their asses. But hey, instead lets try and make the U.S. look like the bad guy here.

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LilBro

correct me if i am wrong but there are other countries besides the USA that do not want N. Korea to have a nuke...

Paul Waters

That would start WWW III.

No way China and Russia would sit back and allow it. Even Britain would be lost as an ally.

The only country that will start WWW III is the US. And the US will deny it. They will blame those they attack for fighting back.

North Korea will respond to attack with nukes.

Easy way to avoid it, is to not attack them.

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12clicks

worthless thread

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Paul Waters

North Korea has nukes.

The issue is them developing the missles to deliver them.

Japan is worried that if the US invades NK, NK will nuke Japan.

The solution is easy. Don't invade NK.

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NoCarrier

The U.S. will NEVER attack Norh Korea. Unless NK decides to invade SK again. Which will never happen again.

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NoCarrier

I don't think so. NK = Barking dog to get attention and free drinks.

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Paul Waters

Then why are they worried about NK developing the ability to defend themselves?

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Bdiddy

this is horrible.

Japan and S korea are the ones at serious risk here. US gets involved to protect it's allies. Nobody has mentioned anything about invading N Korea.....the stories that get fabricated is ridiculous on this site.

"from where the sun now stands, i shall no longer respond to false information forever"

- B

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pussyluver

Wished it was all that simple.

Paul Waters

Why are Japan and SK at risk?

It is the the US that labeled NK as one of the Axis of Evil.

Why is it so hard to understand that NK is a little concerned about this? After all, the US invades countries.

There is a movement in SK for reunification. Anyone who stands up to the US gets a lot of support.

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this is true.
US has nuke? Tell me.

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FunForOne

Does anyone else in the US feel like we are raising children. It sucks when you have to protect people from things and they hate you for protecting them from.

People in the US are going to get tired of you giving us the advice that if we followed, would be given in German.


Advice to the rest of the world: Just say thanks. Thats all we really want.

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Someone watches too much CNN.

MaddCaz

sounds kinda idealistic to me...

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ok... let me explian this to the people that dont get it... its not so much as we fear a nuclear weapons enabled country launching missles at us... it has more to do with unstable/crazy (iran, n. korea, etc.) countries selling nuclear weapons to terrorists who then use them to launch loacalized attacks...

ever heard of a dirty bomb? it has the capability to wipe out several city blocks with radiation and does not require the sophistication of a rocket delivery system...

now do you get it?

Bdiddy

1. First press ctl + T. Go to google.com. search images for: atlas of asia. See results

2. Labels mean nothing.

Furthermore, that was after NK began developing warheads. They stirred a hornets nest when they decided to join the arms race...40 yrs after it started and 20 yrs after ended. They are a weapon of deterrance...I personally don't think kim jong il understands that...he just wants to be a world power who has no connections with the world at all. Just Bombs.

3. What was NK's response about reunification by the way? Japan and north Korea don't get along. Neither do SK and NK....see news story:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...C-RSSFeeds0312

US does invade countries sometimes. Not always for the better. What you don't understand is that the US will not invade NK unless it invades Sk. Which isn't going to happen. The US didnt start this x amount of years ago and like usual, the UN couldnt do anything about it. Without action the problem didnt go away. The cycle continues.

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Webby

"This" as it is known ... started with a spewing mouth out of contol in Washington defining three countries to be part of an "Axis of Evil" - specifically North Korea, Afgahnistan and Iran.

With warying end results - all three countries are now a problem. Two took action as they saw fit and steps towards nuclear capability when persistantly threaten. The third is a disaster area with more prospect of revenge than ever existed in the first instance.

You reap what you sow - and that also applies to Iraq.

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notabook

We are not invading North Korea lol :P They have no oil

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Mr. Blue

Has anyone seen a BBC documentary on North Korea called North Korea: Access To Evil they've played it once or twice on cable. There's also a decent documentary called The Hermit Kingdom...also Amnesty International has condemned the human rights violations going on in N. Korea at the moment.

I think if you see more of what's going on in North Korea, you can better understand why them having a nuke is reason enough to get people nervous. Of course someone is going to come along and say North Korea is a shangri la and they don't have concentration camps and Kim Jong-il is just a misunderstood freak with a bad haircut.

The U.S. won't attack unless S. Korea or Japan gets attacked...will that happen? Who knows...it might, but I'm sure the U.S. won't touch N. Korea until it does something stupid.

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directfiesta

Brainwashing at it's best ...

Human rights violation ...

Let's look good , let's invoke human BS .. tough we really don't give a shit ..

Kim Jong-il will be in the best friend circle of the US , just like Khadafi ....

Human rights ... The US ...

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Webby

Yes.. saw the BBC doc.. and more than enough to get the idea what's going on there - insane society and conditions.

It is also not helpful, either to the world at large or the people of North Korea, to be persistantly threatened by the US trying to play hardball with an oppressive leadership while Amnesty International also has extensive reports and evidence of torture by the US. Some call that a very big mouth with plenty hypocracy stuffing it.

True.. who knows, but doubt even NK will be the instigator of nuclear weapons launching - why should they? They would be on a suicide mission.

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Webby

And here I was trying to be "nice" and get a point over DF - and you step in with rolls of laughter

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directfiesta

Sorry Webby, I couldn't help it ...

Probably the Chateau Margaux ... nice bouquet, tanin just right , great year ...

( see, I am in control now ... )

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No problemo!!

It's not Chateau Margaux but the nearest prissy GFY icon I could find

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lyn1

Get your head out of the sand. North Korea are just postering for aid. They are a morally corrupt and bankrupt nation desperate for the US to come running and say 'Nice boy, take away those big bad weapons and we will lick your ass and give you aid'

Nuke the pricks...and I am not a Yank and I don't live in the US. There are a lot of other citizens other than Americans who think the same except some pussy Canadians.

Educate yourself boy and you might start to think rationally and logically...then, with a signature like that, there is no hope.

Lyn

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stickyfingerz

You're foolish and dont understand what is going to happen. What makes you think China, Russia, and England would be on N. Korea's side?

stickyfingerz

You have absolutley no understanding of the situation.

Mr. Blue

The U.S. is playing hardball with N. Korea? Actually we've pretty much ignored the N. Korean threat completely. The number of troops in the DMZ have been reduced and will continue to be reduced. Not the wisest move, but that idiot Bush charted that course.

Another thing and I'll repeat what I said in my first post as you seemed to latch on to the first part and ignore the second part. There's no way the U.S. would attack N. Korea under any circumstance unless it was absolutely forced to. There's a few reasons for this...1. N. Korea has a huge army and there's no way that the combined S. Korea / U.S. forces in the DMZ could stop it. 2. Exactly how big do you think the U.S. Military is? Right now we're spread thin, no way could we handle another war going on with our troops in Iraq / Afghanistan.

Now, you and your compatriot can chortle and say "brainwashed" and be dismissive of reporting / reports of N. Korea. I'm sure you're right and I'm sure you've read plenty of websites that state what a cool guy Kim Jong-il is and that he's just a misunderstood little dictator. Silly me for thinking otherwise

Also, you can read this thread that I posted earlier today: Read This

If you notice my second post I use an Amnesty International source to criticize the NYC police department. As you can see the post was made earlier today...so please realize I'm completely aware of what Amnesty International says on a number of topics.

Now, I suggest you read what they have to say on N. Korea...is it reason for any country to get involved? No, and I didn't say that in my first post eventhough in your response you implied that I did. All I did say was that those human rights violations makes it understandable why people would be nervous if N. Korea got the nuke.

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stickyfingerz

Wow thanks for explaining it to us. Now we can all sit around the campfire and sing fucking kum bay ya. What a tard.

stickyfingerz

This started when Clinton gave N. Korea the technology to build a nuke.

stickyfingerz

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...7/164846.shtml


This isnt new shit. Its been going on since the late 90's. My fucking mouth dropped this morning when I heard a democratic Senator demanding to know why we dont have a missle defense system. Fuckin retard dems.

Webby

Mr Blue... this stuff all started shortly after Old George's "evil" dialog. He defined nations which nether deal with, or have anything to do with the US as an "Axis of Evil" and then proceeded to threaten them.

No other country on this planet messed with these three countries - only Old George. The flip side is - there is no denial it may be easy to target these countries, however, there are plenty ways to play games and end up with a satisfactory outcome without the monthly diatribes about the "evil ones" and name-calling like damned school kids.

It's not just North Korea who have stood up - Iran is doing the same and Afghanistan is pretty much in a worse and more agressive stage than it ever was towards the US.

Iraq.. well.. only my but smell not only the US, but several other nations will pay a price for that fuckup.

Bottom line... no country has the right to assume any moral stance over another and mess in that other countries business. The concept of pre-emptive strikes will come back to haunt the US - possibly for a long time ahead. These are the actions of an utter lunatic lacking in any diplomatic skills.

No country, irrespective of it's "hardware" can trollop over the globe instigating wars, threatening, boycotting and issuing sanctions without losing friends - often good one's - and without paying a price for the seed it sows.

Only me, but I no longer believe anything the US Admin utters - they are persistant liars and decievers, not only to the international community, but their own citizens. Tis also my opinion that the political persuasion they claim to represent is a total falsehood and a hijacking of a political party along with any "righteous cause" they can lay their hands on (religion etc). In effect, an Adminstration of Abuse.

I'd look forward to the day the US gets back *any* form of honorable government - irrespective of politics - and managed by people with a degree of integrity and basic honesty who get back the credibility lost by the current Administration of Abuse.

BTW Mr Blue - Happy 4th to you!

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JMM

You just go back to bed now and let Uncle Sam worry about the big bad North Korean boogey man.

Uncle Sam will never let anything happen to you. After all, you are Uncle Sam's special wittle canada wanada.

Sweet dreams.

Mr. Blue

lol...okay, let's do this point by point.

The Axis of Evil. I agree, not the wisest thing to say and it certainly raised the tension level that already existed. However, it would be disengenous to say that these countries didn't have prior agenda before Bush mumbled those stupid words. Do I really have to go into the history of all three countries or can I just take it at face value you'll agree on this point?

Again, I don't agree with the speech, I thought it was incredibly stupid, but there is a prior track record for all three countries mentioned, it's not like they were really great guys until Bush opened his stupid mouth.

Again, that's not entirely true. These countries do have a history, it can easily be looked up, and I'm not going to spend too much time touching on why they would be group in as "Evil"...but again...I agree, it was a stupid speech.

A question for you on this point: How do you feel about outside intervention with Yugoslavia then? Ethnic cleansing was occurring, but technically it was a domestic issue. Should other countries have ignored that? Should we have ignored Rwanda like we did?

I agree with that. See, I'm a strict isolationist, I don't believe the U.S. should extend itself into these situations. It's decidedly a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation though. If tomorrow the U.S. returned to its isolationist policy other countries would criticize the U.S. inactivity. Doubt it? Look at WWI. Basically after the war there was the League of Nations, the U.S. never joined and the LoN pretty much crumbled. The exact same thing would happen if the US pulled out of the UN...I'd give the UN two years before it completely closed...I mean the UN is pretty useless as is, but that's a topic for another time.

I certainly don't believe in the Bush administration, but that doesn't make me lose faith in the whole system of government. I didn't vote for Bush, I voted for Nader and then Kerry. Our government system works, but people have to participate in order to make it work. If all the people that complained about Bush regularly went to vote, he would have never been elected a second term. For that matter we probably wouldn't have had such hideous Democrats like Gore & Kerry if more people voted in the primaries.

Won't be long

And a very Happy 4th to you, lol.

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idiot.

fact 1: no one has an interest in invading north korea. there is no benefit to it. they have nothing. they are nothing. just a broken down state trying one last attempt as nuclear blackmail before it draws its last breath. they can't even afford electricity for their own capital city.
fact 2: the korean war never ended
fact 3: the n korean government is absolutely insane
fact 4: you are talking about a stalinist dictatorship that survives by the absolute and total oppression of its citizens - even to the point of letting millions of their own people starve to death and die for a lack of medical care.
fact 5: the US tried to help them for years but they broke all agreements and started up secret uranium enrichment facilities to continue to work towards becoming a nuclear power
fact 6: Clinton considered bombing them for those same reasons Bush is considering bombing them today.
fact 7: when you refuse to talk, refuse to negotiate and instead threaten war non-stop... you can expect concern over nuclear weapons. they even said that if the US stopped the oild, food and medical aid the US government has been raining down on them for more than a decade, they woudl consider that an act of war
fact 8: you really suck as a photographer.

Webby

Mmmm.. I'll take back some of that stuff Mr Blue - and got to agree with ya!

There are plenty honorable men in the system and can't pull it apart because of clowns. Also... sure, there is a problem history with some countries - sadly nada is perfect.

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poisson

I'd say that US have their nose at to many places at once.

USA is a great country and should mind the wellness of their citizens instead of trying to take over the planet.

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Ok, i arranged your statements a bit just to clarify thing..
Does this make ANY sense to anyone else? I just see alot of crap and personal opinions..


" Educate yourself boy" ? What's that suppose to mean?