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So... SOS your conversions are bad?
How much traffic u send through the site?
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Has he mentioned what "bad" would be, i.e. current conversion rate? I think a better question is what type traffic is being sent to the site? I don't think extreme golden shower traffic would do too well on Julia Blue.
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Had a quick look at his tour and I'd make 2 suggestions off the top of my head.. First is to have all the pics from the first page go to the join page instead of page 2 of the tour.. I'd also make the join page be more "intimate" with the girl. Pics and layout could be a lot better and I think having the wording be more of "her" coaxing them into joining and chatting with her and going one on one with her on the webcam (or something like that), would help. |
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Well i'm confused... (because my stats arn't helping, why i purchased nats)
i have nothing i hide, and i don't lie about conversions... so here goes.. i honestly don't know anything about how my tour is doing because my server stats arn't helping either... because 1.) i purchased a submit service... basically to 200+forums and linklists/linkdumps they drop 4 urls.. 3 urls to galleries.. and 1 url directly to the paysite... so the number of people visititng the paysite doesn't show how many people clicked through on the gallery.... and i also had 2 free listings on the pinkworld..... which i think is a great site, but i don't think the traffic suits my site because all the links above me were hardcore movie samples.... got 2 pichunter listings up as well with no results... now i've had over 50k to my galleries i nthe last 2 days.. but paycom stats shows only 700 uniques... now i don't know if thats join page hits or first page uniques because it doesn't say.. i asked paycom... one guy said it was join page loads... another said it was first page tour uniques... either way those 700 uniques resulted in 1 trial.... (the trial was only added last night to test also)
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also... one of the affiliates was using a full page ad and linking directly to the second tour page...
so the server stats won't really help me because it won't accurately show how many people went from tour page 1 to tour page 2 and then to join page (why i needed to buy tracking software, plus it will be nice to get affiliates more tidy in nats system ![]() so i made payment for nats today, and i was told it would it would take 2 days or so after for installation... i don't know if tahts after weekend or not... but once i get nats running i can better see what needs tweaking and all that good stuff
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my site is new, and i am also new... i never claimed to have amazing conversions...
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also.. i bought a monthly package on badassteens.com ... but i think i made lousy thumbs because i'm not getting too much traffic from there... and how high on the list you are depends on the quality and popularity of the thumb..
also am trying the premium package on here... http://www.1sthits.nl/sservice.html
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![]() In retrospect, this was a shitty thing to do. If there is a mod around, could you please edit out that spam, since the time limit has passed.
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and sos...
best thing to do is get your host to get you awstats or webalizer at least... this way you can see how many hits are going through your site. Then you can judge what is going on. Also how would epoch know how many hits goto your first page? are you using a click tracking thing through them? If not they shouldnt know how many hits your getting. |
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and i also have an affiliate who sent directly to the second tour page.. so my clickthrough stats arn't really accurate with webalizer/awstats... and paycom has minimal stats... shows just 1 set of uniques and joins... doesn't even say where the uniques are from
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So 1 in 700 or so at best?
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You're site does not have a concept.
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Doesnt matter then... You should be able to see "overall" conversions with those stats. And webalizer/awstats should show you which pages are being requested and how much.. So you should be able to see what the affiliate sent... Your not making sense dude.. |
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Maybe relying on TGP and cheap shot traffic is not the correct route.
Maybe going for targets on the softer niches such as solo girl based traffic?
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Yup paysites should be tested with all kinds of traffic. Although Im not sure what you mean by solo girl based traffic? Where? how? |
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if someone is sending tgp traffic directly to a paysite.... without filtering it through a gallery... conversions would be absolutely horrible right? i have the stats of how many times the page was requested... but it doesn't show accurately how many people from the first page are going to the second page... because like i said, someone was sending traffic directly to the second page, bypassing the first page.. so my second page hits are even higher then my first page hits
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Why not use cookies to identify which entries are actually clicking exit links to the sponsor's site? That will help you determine the quality of your sources.
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if you would have said something constructive i would have replied to it... but comparing my site to bangbus? comon now.
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Sos was the trial a test from you or epoch?
You said "(the trial was only added last night to test also)" ??? Just curious here |
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![]() It's impossible to judge a site with just 25k uniques sent to it, and that's what sos is doing because he's nervous. He needs to get a stats remote package (which he has via NATS) watch it for a good three weeks, and the answers will be pretty evident about what's going on and changes can be made. Then he can tackle the REAL issue in his site's eventual success/failure: Retention. He hasn't even gotten to that yet and it's far harder to diagnose and treat...But one thing at a time. He's making all the right moves as far as I can tell.
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Maybe using target traffic for what the girl has to offer. I have never seen your site, so this may not be right. But if she has really long brown hair, then targeting on that might get you the signs. or maybe she has a hard looking set of implants. use that.
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Ahhh I see what you're saying... Thats epoch's form page hits... The page where they actually enter the cc info... |
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I built both Headlesses sites and SOS site
![]() So I am naturally curious about the results. I know the results of many tours I have built. So it is interesting to hear about them. I know Headless been working his magic as well as SOS. They are good at what they do. If my work does not hold up I assured them both a redesign will be in order free of charge. I want my clients to succeed. Bottom line. I always have. I will ay though it could be targeting problems. the sites can not compete against Hardcore based traffic. The results will not be good. Get in with some SOlo girl traffic and the results will probably be better.
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Sounds like the traffic might be originating from sites which lure CC-free surfers. Do you keep referrer logs to see where its actually coming from? The raw apache logs will contain this, and you can just get a stats package like awstats or analog to see where the traffic is coming from. Also, do you offer a cheap trial? These always help boost conversions among the group that doesn't know if they really want a subscription or not. Getting surfers hooked on members only content through a trial fee will make them more likely to sign up. Most surfers are too stupid to do a siterip so that they can enjoy it later, and would rather just pay $24.95/month or whatever it is to be able to masturbate.
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Try some of the solo girls sites link lists.
There are alot of them out there that show Amateur girls for link lists etc. Ummm... Maybe even Persian Kitty or somthin. Hardened TGP traffic will never give good numbers.
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FWIW - the text where your girl talks to the surfer is weak - at least on the first page.
And from my experience you can count on losing around 25% of your surfers for each new page they have to move to - so if you have a three page tour and 200 surfers hit the front by page two your down to 150 and even less will go throught to the join page.
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Thats bullshit. Explaine FTV girls. Danni's Hardrive. PerfectGonzo.
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![]() thats as in depth as paycom stats go... edit: 1 of those was a test
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Why would I? Pages have little to do with it. Explaine Lensman Amateur Pages? Tons of pages. If ya ask me it comes down to content. Perfect Gonzo for example implents several pages and gets very good results. I am not talkin out of my ass here man. The numbers do not lie.
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