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RazorSharpe

AlienQ .... I've read a few posts where you involved in over the years and thought you were a little "different" ... and I mean that in the nicest possible way.

Anyway, I digress ... you are doing SoS no favours by being belligerent with the people that are trying to help him. From what I gather, you've helped him too, with the design, but it doesn't stop there. He can be most helped by you at this stage, if you would let people who know his niche help him.

Don't let him be alienated (did they conceive this word specifically for YOU?) simply because you think you know it all! You can't be designer, traffic manager and everything else this kid needs.

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

I needed to cut down some of the mis information.

I believe that larger multiple page tours are useful and so are short ones.
But saying there is a substantial drop off from each page?
Is incorrect.

If every monkey did not come in this thread spamming there shit I wouldnt have came in. If I did not step in this thread it would have fucken died with SOS not getting info he could use.
I been around a while man...
Yanking info from people is a science.

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sonofsam

helped with the design? i hope you don't mean i got it for free... and thanks for your concern, mate i've learned plenty from this thread and it has helped me a shitload.... now i just need to wait for nats to get installed and then i can see better what needs tweaking

edit: though i did get an amazing price

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RazorSharpe

We all are what we are WarChild and while I know that SoS "can" tell you to leave his thread alone, did you ever stop to think that he may not because he doesn't want you to think less of him? I don't know you nor Alien nor SoS; I just know that it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside to see someone new actually getting helped by so many people .... especially on this board.

And WarChild, next time please wait for my follow-up thread, its no fun if you post before my follow-up!

Cheers ...

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JOKER

Wise words right here.

90% does the girl, 10% (exaggerated) does the PhotoG ...

I really hope SoS and Julie get to that point where they have that special climate at the shoot...

I too think they can.

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abyss_al

i think its the other way around.... the photog is what makes the magic and guides her to what to do.. sure it helps if shes camera friendly.. but with the right angle, lighting, and proper shot... thats all it takes... she already has the look.. shes never done this so she needs to be guided to what to do.

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sonofsam

yah she slowly is opening up more and more at every shoot... hopefully it can get to the point where you can actually get a feel for the personality through the pics like with arika ames

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RazorSharpe

SoS, i was not making any assumptions but was in fact covering my basis.

1 - if he had done it for free, he "helped you"
2 - if he had done it at a discounted rate, he "helped you"
3 - if he had charged you full price, he "helped you", because God knows with his volatile nature he could just as well have told you to fuck off.

I hope you do well and wish you nothing but success.

Cheers mate ...

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Razor I am not that chaotic.
I am Chaotic but it comes when warranted and asked for.

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My point being: She needs to relax, open up and fall in love with the camera, it does make things so much easier,no offense but SoS is not yet the photoG you are talking about here... he is on the way to it, and it would help both a ton if she had a little more fun doing it

maybe I wasn't choosing the right words for my point

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Rui

LOL...flawed thinking to say the least.......

Manowar

scum scum scum

RogerV

Most guys people are forgeting what they sell

It goes back to how some old school designs still kick ass over the new ones. bu the new school webmasters like to push pretty and new designs.

the design needs to sell the content if it takes away from it, it might make it look to expensive for most.

anyway bets of luck SOS

sonofsam

thanks buddy

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RogerV

Give me a call my info is below or on PornoPushers.

I will take you step by step through your site and show you how to convert 50% better hit me up Monday tomorrow

sonofsam

will do buddy, thanks... as for right now i'm goin to sleep been up all night.... thanks again everyone

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RogerV

No prob everything looks great I'll tell you what you need to do just don't give it away

StuartD

You mean kinda like tawneestone.com, jordancapri.com, naughtyallie.com, etc?

Have you ever even heard of a solo girl site before?

There are certain points where I hate reading this message board and there's been 2 of those times in this very thread alone. Ignorance is so frustrating.

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Donny

I have to stick up for Alien on this one. www.DonnysGirls.com has a 31 page tour. It converts so well that I haven't changed it in a few years. I've tried but the ratios fell to shit and I had to go back to the basics.

And my new tour, www.DonnysCoeds.com converts even better. If you count everything a surfer can get for free on it you'll see that is has an even longer "tour".

There are many ways to skin a cat. I like the soft sell. I give them a lot for free and make it seem like they're not being pressured to buy. I learned the soft sell when selling cars back in college days. The hard sell works for some. Soft sell for others.

Donny

But you will notice I do have a join link on every page. The surfer is going to see something that makes him want to join. I give them every opportunity to do so.

Giorgio_Xo

Some NastyDollars tours go 10 pages long.

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Shooting_Manic

Thats joinpage (form) loads in Paycom stats. That should actually tell you alot. If you are 1:700 off your joinpage then you are getting surfers there, but not converting them to sales. If they are getting as far as the joinpage then they are qualified buyers for the most part. 1:700 off front page hits is about normal, but the ratio should be far lower off joinpage hits.

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baddog

IMHO, it has nothing to do with the number of pages on the tour. The comment made was that every page that you make the surfer wait to find a join link, you are going to lose a % of your buyers.

I highly doubt you have as much traffic on page 15, 20, or 30 as you do on page 1. The people on those pages are jacking off to your samples.

The Other Steve

Nasty Dollars sites have nothing to do with a solo girl site - and by it's very name, nor does Donny's Girls. If you have lots of girls on your site then you can have a million tour pages - but when you have just one girl on your site and you have lots of tour pages the surfer either gets his fill of that girl just from all those freebies - or he gets bored and goes away.

As I said before - a one girl site needs a short sharp tour that get's the surfer to the join page while he's still horny enough to join - not so worn out and bored that all he wants to do is go somewhere else.

But then what the fuck would I know

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Tempest

Flashcash has been using a 1 page tour for... hmmm.. how long... 4 years+??? Must be working for them. I remember way back when I used to think they were insane. Go figure.

sonofsam

flashcash has a 1 tour page solo site?

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Mako

Agree. As with everything, it comes down to quality of content. It doesn't matter if PerfectGonzo sites have one page, 20 pages, 200 pages, they are converting your ass, and that is that.

SoS's site having difficulties has little to do with tour page count, and everything to do with what others here have already said (improvement of traffic source quality, improvement to the girls attitude in pics, improvment to the photography, improvement to satisfying this audience with softer cutesy themes rather than stripper boots, etc, etc.)

Great suggestions in this thread, I know nothing about solo-girl sites, not my area of income at all, but it's great learning for sure.

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datatank

Its nice to see people actually helping here
However Alien you keep bringiing up its converting at 1:700
Come on man you have been around long enough to know that 700 clicks you can not tell shit..

You need to wait it out and make your numbers on a much larger number of clicks.

Hell it could be converting at 1:352 in 2 clicks or not get another member for the next 5k hits


As far as the tour goes I think it looks to polished. It looks like a single girl tour that a silver cash or a porn dollar would come out with.. No offence to those programs

Take a look at some of the phil flash stuff. Or if you can dig it up check out Mike Ai's old tours. IMHO they were some of the best amateur girl single girl sites ever made.

Mako

Yes and no. Remember, these are join page stats. To the main page 700 join page clicks translates out to roughly 3,500.

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justsexxx

If I was you, I won't link all my images to the next tour/join page.

With some clickable images, open a new window with the original image in HQ and a big size. People would like to see some stuff before they buy.


Also I some text like

65 Hi Rez Pics!
GET ACCESS NOW! SEE YA INSIDE!

First of all, get access now is a very small link(make the font bigger) and second the language. It's not the language, that I would trust, and oull my cc for...

Also, this text

Join today, you get all my latest pics and movies. My site is updated weekly

Your site is updated weekly. When you don't update it more then 4-5 times a week, I would not list the frequency at all. We update most sites daily, so we tell them. But some "die hard" porn surfer may dislike the fact of weekly updates, and he has no idea how much weeks you are already in biz. So remove the uodated weekly part.

Also I would remove the trial. You will get less joins, but more income.

Just my 2 cents....Don't see it as attacks, just trying to help ya out.

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datatank

Still no where near enough clicks to judge ratios IMHO

Mako

Hence the "yes" part of my "yes and no" answer.

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sonofsam

Oh of course not man, i appreciate constructive criticism, thanks

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Mako

By the time all of these suggestions are implemented just from this thread you're going to be Steve Lightspeed II, lol!

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Shooting_Manic

So has lightspeed for a few years. Teenrevenue has them also.

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sonofsam

you know... i 'm not planning on starting too many solo sites... the only reason i have started with this one is because that initial startup capitol was quite a bit lower then a reality site for example.. if i see enough ROI from this site to start a reality site this will be my last solo site.... if not.. then i'll start another solo site... and use them to fund a reality site.... but right now i need to focus on getting this site generating some revenue and then i can worry about the rest

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Mako

Listen SoS, no one here wants to hear about your www.mikestrannyfantasy.com POV reality site. Jesus Christ man!!

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Got ya man

sonofsam

Busssteeeedddddddddddddd

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sonofsam

alright, i'm gonna take a different approach.. i'm going to get REALLY drunk and start tweaking my tour....

so far i'm going to add

1.) a flash game
2.) crazy explosions and shit
3.) a section to download ripped games
4.) replace the big picture of julia blue beside the butterfly with a big pic of tupac
5.) replace to butterfly with an uzi

any other suggestions??

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Nathan

SoS...

the 1:700 is, like multiple have said here, ratio of sales to epoch join page hits.

Now, that is rather low, but most likely comes from the traffic source. I would bet that there is a lot of foreign click-happy traffic that just hope to see a pic after each link they click...

700 to join page with such traffic most likely means around 7000-10000 first page hits. Which would be an ok ratio from the gallery really.

So I bet a major problem right now is traffic source. But all the ideas in this thread should give you a bunch of things to do while NATS is getting ready for ya ;)

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ULVideo

I have to agree with that. It's not like we're talking about exit consoles from some similar solo girl site, or a mailer with an ad page in it, or......

Tempest

Solo site.. reality site... cookie cutter site.. That's not the point. The point is that 1 page tours can convert just as well or better than multi-page tours and you can build a very successful program from it.

How many people build TGP galleries that go to their own 1 page self designed tour and they link that to the join page of the regular pay site? Plenty of very successful gallery people do that and have been doing it for as long as there's been the possibility of linking to join pages... And they wouldn't be doing it if it didn't sell.

Do not get caught up in fitting inside the box.

Frankly I don't even know why this whole multi-page tour thread started. The 2 page thing is "fine" and just needs some tweaks as already stated.

sonofsam

Yah i've been told to just stick to my tour, but make some tweaks... and i have lots of time to do that while i wait for nats to get installed.... thanks everyone

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Mako

But it's not. It's really 1:3500 or so to the main page, and 1:700 to the join page.

Example: My TCG stats for the past six months (all from TGPs btw) show my MAIN page join ratio to be approximately 1:455. But my JOIN page join ratio is 1:66....SoS's site's JOIN page ratio is currently 1:700.

Big difference.

SoS is doing the right thing by taking action now, there is definitely something up, and with all this help I'm sure he'll kick its ass.

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200 missing sales....

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