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xlogger · 07-16-2005, 06:42 PM

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The Other Steve · 07-16-2005, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

The numbers do not lie.
Why would I?
Pages have little to do with it.

Explaine Lensman Amateur Pages?

Tons of pages.

If ya ask me it comes down to content.
Perfect Gonzo for example implents several pages and gets very good results.

I am not talkin out of my ass here man.
The numbers do not lie.

Dipshit - I'm talking about solo girl sites - your comparing apples to oranges - solo girl sites are totally different to any other sort of site - surfers quickly lose interest when there is only one girl to see so you have to grab them with text and get them to the sign up page fast - and on the sign page the girl has to smooch with the surfer to get him to sign up - your right - numbers do n't lie - just look at Sams crappy conversions

wargames · 07-16-2005, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kernelpanic

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sonofsam · 07-16-2005, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Other Steve

Say no more - it's the same sort of text on every site like yours - no wonder you're not getting conversions.

what do you suggest?

wargames · 07-16-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I am going to do something I never thought I would do . . . offer some assistance.

Feel free to ICQ 16075497 if interested in hearing it

Very cool of you Baddog jump on this asap Sam

sonofsam · 07-16-2005, 06:49 PM

can we please not turn this into a fight thread.. so far its been a a really great thread with lots of knowledge being shared

Nylz · 07-16-2005, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

but paycom stats shows only 700 uniques... now i don't know if thats join page hits or first page uniques because it doesn't say.. i asked paycom... one guy said it was join page loads... another said it was first page tour uniques... either way those 700 uniques resulted in 1 trial....

(the trial was only added last night to test also)

700 uniques from 50k gallery hits?

that's a CTR of about 1,5% (if we're talking about first page clicks), so I guess they're showing first page hits, otherwise the CTR of your gallery would be REALLY bad!

So if you look at it this way, a ratio of 1:700 isn't bad at all with this kind of traffic..

Correct me if I'm wrong here

abyss_al · 07-16-2005, 06:49 PM

i'm looking at the member's area right now... want me to tell you some pointers here or hit you up on icq?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-16-2005, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Other Steve

Dipshit - I'm talking about solo girl sites - your comparing apples to oranges - solo girl sites are totally different to any other sort of site - surfers quickly lose interest when there is only one girl to see so you have to grab them with text and get them to the sign up page fast - and on the sign page the girl has to smooch with the surfer to get him to sign up - your right - numbers do n't lie - just look at Sams crappy conversions

Well then go back to the beginning of what this threads about man

A solo girl site can only do so much and lets face it...

Solo girls sites are about playing the level of openness with the members and traffic with what they do.

Case and point would be of course Tawny Stone.
A site that gave surfers a sense of "involvement" at looking into the girls sexual life to an extent. A fan site per say.

dropped9 · 07-16-2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by abyss_al

i'm looking at the member's area right now... want me to tell you some pointers here or hit you up on icq?

Ok what does that have to do with his tour conversions?

sonofsam · 07-16-2005, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by abyss_al

i'm looking at the member's area right now... want me to tell you some pointers here or hit you up on icq?

i'd prefer to focus on the tour in this thread, members area can be another thread after this one

plus a couple of people have been really helpful and given me a shitload of info on how to improve retention (thanks joker)

baddog · 07-16-2005, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Other Steve

And from my experience you can count on losing around 25% of your surfers for each new page they have to move to - so if you have a three page tour and 200 surfers hit the front by page two your down to 150 and even less will go throught to the join page.

Actually, I believe it is closer to 50%, but he does have a join link on the front page, it is just too small to see.

BTW, I noticed you guys got a flurry of signups . . . does that mean you are promoting your site again?

Mako · 07-16-2005, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Headless

Ok what does that have to do with his tour conversions?

Was just thinking that same thing.

Stay on topic. Member's Area tweaks for Retention will come later, as I mentioned earlier. Stick to the lack of initial signups question.

abyss_al · 07-16-2005, 06:54 PM

i meant both... tour and members area...

sonofsam · 07-16-2005, 06:55 PM

i do hope those paycom stats are accurate... 1 signup for 700 first page uniques i would be happy with...

and 1.5% CTR sounds about right, since most people on pinkworld are looking for hardcore movies, correct?

webgurl · 07-16-2005, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

what do you suggest?

i suggest you putting an intro trailer on the first page

baddog · 07-16-2005, 06:58 PM

and Alien, I believe what Steve is saying is that you need a join now link on every page. Don't make the surfer hunt around so he can join.

sonofsam · 07-16-2005, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by abyss_al

i meant both... tour and members area...

sure buddy, shoot

WarChild · 07-16-2005, 07:03 PM

I would rather shoot myself in the face and use an image of the resulting mess as a tour than ever hire AlienQ.

Nylz · 07-16-2005, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

i do hope those paycom stats are accurate... 1 signup for 700 first page uniques i would be happy with...

and 1.5% CTR sounds about right, since most people on pinkworld are looking for hardcore movies, correct?

well not sure about that, but if you take a first page -> 2nd page CTR of about 5%, and you assume those 700 hits were 2nd page, that would mean you got 14000 first page hits, which means a CTR of almost 30%.. and that's kinda unreal

Math wasn't my best course at school, but I guess I'm kinda right.. right?

aeon · 07-16-2005, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

i have awstats and webalizer, but like i said i have one guy submitting my url, with no refcode to a shitload of forums/linklists...

I've never used paycom but if you can, mirror your tour for each traffic source...that way you can get a basic idea of what's working until you get better tracking - eg
www.site.com/thehun/
www.site.com/adwords1/
www.site.com/bannerbuy1/
www.site.com/bannerbuy2/
and so forth...dont' got nuts with a billion front ends - for smaller tgps/sources use
www.site.com/tgp/

If you can't, find another processor that has some sort of tracking built in. You'll be pissing into the wind until you can read your traffic. You won't be able to tell what kind of traffic or what kind of advertising works.

sonofsam · 07-16-2005, 07:08 PM

aeon: i just purchased nats, so hopefully that problem is solved now

dropped9 · 07-16-2005, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by aeon

I've never used paycom but if you can, mirror your tour for each traffic source...that way you can get a basic idea of what's working until you get better tracking - eg
www.site.com/thehun/
www.site.com/adwords1/
www.site.com/bannerbuy1/
www.site.com/bannerbuy2/
and so forth...dont' got nuts with a billion front ends - for smaller tgps/sources use
www.site.com/tgp/

If you can't, find another processor that has some sort of tracking built in. You'll be pissing into the wind until you can read your traffic. You won't be able to tell what kind of traffic or what kind of advertising works.

Exactly what I said earlier...

aeon · 07-16-2005, 07:11 PM

Nats is a good program and I'm not knocking it at all - but you shouldn't have done that. Other processors have fairly decent affiliate tracking built in - all you had to do was create inhouse accounts to track the different sources.

Regardless, good luck with things.

abyss_al · 07-16-2005, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

sure buddy, shoot

-make second page a little shoorter, and add a 'next page' at bottom that goes to join
-have all the small pics link to join page
-make join page a little more fuller (there was a recent study done on how people react differently when people are staring at them... pretty interesting:they setup a page where at the end when they clicked next, it went to a pay page.. one had nothing but random pics, they immediately left the site, the other though, had a pic of someone staring directly at them, somehow making them feel bad or uncomfotabel making them join....i would test this out on join page)
-the text is horrible... sounds like every other site out there... make it more personal...
-i dont like her makeup and you should listen to wargames.... make her hair smooth, put less/softer makeup... make her young.... less skanky outfits.. and NO high heels(the stripper kind!)
-make her young and cute... get her to smile more often...
-tell the photographer not to shoot her from top.. ruins proportians, and have him use the white balance on the camera and manual mode... too much tint on the pics...
-definitel have a trailer on each page.. or maybe just one... but have her tease and not show too much... you want the surfer's attention and the feind to join to see more.... same with the tour.. you dont want to show everything all in tour....

i tihnk thats it for now..... i still have more to say about the members area...

sonofsam · 07-16-2005, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by aeon

Nats is a good program and I'm not knocking it at all - but you shouldn't have done that. Other processors have fairly decent affiliate tracking built in - all you had to do was create inhouse accounts to track the different sources.

Regardless, good luck with things.

i don't have any choice of other processors.. i'm in canada so i had to form a corporation in the states just to be able to use paycom..... and i'm lucky i was able to do even that.... ccbill requires the principle owner of the company to live in the states and have a US SSN also...

abyss_al · 07-16-2005, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

I would rather shoot myself in the face and use an image of the resulting mess as a tour than ever hire AlienQ.

please do so and setup a webcam so we can all see u shoot yourself

sonofsam · 07-16-2005, 07:14 PM

abyss: with all due respect, i don't think this model would pull off the cute teen look...

Mako · 07-16-2005, 07:23 PM

Abyss, you're saying that someone staring at them on the join page was better, or worse, than the random pics? The English got a little botched, I missed it. Thx

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-16-2005, 07:27 PM

All in all we are talking about 1 in 700 off of TGP traffic.

That is not bad.

sonofsam · 07-16-2005, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

All in all we are talking about 1 in 700 off of TGP traffic.

That is not bad.

if that is in fact off first page uniques.. and don't worry... i love your design

abyss_al · 07-16-2005, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mako

Abyss, you're saying that someone staring at them on the join page was better, or worse, than the random pics? The English got a little botched, I missed it. Thx

it did better with the pic staring at them... sorry doing ten things at once.... blogs, emails, posting... my grammar and sentece structure is all mixed up

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-16-2005, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

if that is in fact off first page uniques.. and don't worry... i love your design

I like the design myself.
This is some pretty good feedback on one of my designs, my work never is in the limelight that often so I am all ears to make it better of course

Mako · 07-16-2005, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

I like the design myself.
This is some pretty good feedback on one of my designs, my work never is in the limelight that often so I am all ears to make it better of course

Alien being an ass or not, that design is good. It needs some text changes, but the fundamental layout/look is very solid.

Nylz · 07-16-2005, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

if that is in fact off first page uniques..

it should be, don't worry

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-16-2005, 07:38 PM

Seriously SOS give it a go off of some softer traffic sources that might help.

the 2nd page thing Abyss mentioned is not such a bad idea either. I always fight with myself about having a next button that goes to a join page.

Ultimatly it probably would help.

The TGP route though 1 in 700 is no where near what the median would be with TGP traffic. The real median might be way higher. even 1 in 1200, 1 in 4000.

I never been a fan of TGP traffic for the bad ratio reasons alone.
Not to mantion with TGP traffic the traffic is very ravanous requiring a constant influx of content.

Do not give the house away.

Tempest · 07-16-2005, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Headless

Ok... that is why you name your second page tour2a.html and keep it seperate from your "regular" tour... Make it link to joina.html etc etc

This way you can correctly identify what traffic is coming from where with different sources and affiliates

"Old" school shit still works wonders...

Chio The Pirate · 07-16-2005, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nylz

700 uniques from 50k gallery hits?

that's a CTR of about 1,5% (if we're talking about first page clicks), so I guess they're showing first page hits, otherwise the CTR of your gallery would be REALLY bad!

So if you look at it this way, a ratio of 1:700 isn't bad at all with this kind of traffic..

Correct me if I'm wrong here

YARGH! I agree. I think it could be better though. Some tweaks to the design (Shortening the amount of tour pages as The Other Steve Suggested), and a special bit of Chio's magic promotion techniques should help Sam quite a bit.

sonofsam · 07-16-2005, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chio The Pirate

YARGH! I agree. I think it could be better though. Some tweaks to the design (Shortening the amount of tour pages as The Other Steve Suggested), and a special bit of Chio's magic promotion techniques should help Sam quite a bit.

which i am REALLY looking forward to, btw

WarChild · 07-16-2005, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

The TGP route though 1 in 700 is no where near what the median would be with TGP traffic. The real median might be way higher. even 1 in 1200, 1 in 4000.

Chio The Pirate · 07-16-2005, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

which i am REALLY looking forward to, btw

YARGH! You have the initial stuff setup for the first step?

Mako · 07-16-2005, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chio The Pirate

a special bit of Chio's magic promotion techniques should help Sam quite a bit.

Your first mate will help greatly Chio...

natas · 07-16-2005, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by abyss_al

pretty interesting:they setup a page where at the end when they clicked next, it went to a pay page.. one had nothing but random pics, they immediately left the site, the other though, had a pic of someone staring directly at them, somehow making them feel bad or uncomfotabel making them join....i would test this out on join page)

very interesting shit abyss.

thank god for a great biz thread full of solid advice

keep it coming everyone, and good luck with the site sam

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-16-2005, 08:01 PM

Go for it Chio

All tours need tweaking.

Rumor is your pretty experienced in this as well

Nylz · 07-16-2005, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

WarChild · 07-16-2005, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Nylz

Would you keep promoting a sponsor that was 1:1200 or 1:4000? Of course you wouldn't ... Apparently those that's closer to the average for TGP traffic.

Rex · 07-16-2005, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by webgurl

doesn't really need a concept , its just a single amateur girl site .
what concept ??
The other sites you named are different genre of paysites altogether .

It probably wouldn't hurt to get some subniche working for him too....I see alot of these solo girl sites doing some niche content whether it be a foot fetish thing, or some real specific stuff like balloons. This is all just stuff I've noticed while promoting sites for quite some time. I'm no bigtime gonzo pornographer, just a guy who affiliates with alot of different sites.

sonofsam · 07-16-2005, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rex

It probably wouldn't hurt to get some subniche working for him too....I see alot of these solo girl sites doing some niche content whether it be a foot fetish thing, or some real specific stuff like balloons. This is all just stuff I've noticed while promoting sites for quite some time. I'm no bigtime gonzo pornographer, just a guy who affiliates with alot of different sites.

i gave members the option to make requests in the members section

Nylz · 07-16-2005, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Would you keep promoting a sponsor that was 1:1200 or 1:4000? Of course you wouldn't ... Apparently those that's closer to the average for TGP traffic.

I guess we're doing something wrong daymon

WarChild · 07-16-2005, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nylz

I guess we're doing something wrong daymon

No doubt man .. Here I thought you could get 1:100 conversions off of TGP traffic with a brand new site with a great design. I didn't even know 1:1200 or 1:4000 was acceptable.

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sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	i do hope those paycom stats are accurate... 1 signup for 700 first page uniques i would be happy with... and 1.5% CTR sounds about right, since most people on pinkworld are looking for hardcore movies, correct? __________________ I like turtles.

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baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	and Alien, I believe what Steve is saying is that you need a join now link on every page. Don't make the surfer hunt around so he can join.

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aeon Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 470	Nats is a good program and I'm not knocking it at all - but you shouldn't have done that. Other processors have fairly decent affiliate tracking built in - all you had to do was create inhouse accounts to track the different sources. Regardless, good luck with things. __________________ QuickRichClick Backed by the founders of CyberAge.com & UGAS.com.

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sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	abyss: with all due respect, i don't think this model would pull off the cute teen look... __________________ I like turtles.

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07-16-2005, 07:27 PM	#80
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	All in all we are talking about 1 in 700 off of TGP traffic. That is not bad. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

07-16-2005, 07:38 PM	#86
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Seriously SOS give it a go off of some softer traffic sources that might help. the 2nd page thing Abyss mentioned is not such a bad idea either. I always fight with myself about having a next button that goes to a join page. Ultimatly it probably would help. The TGP route though 1 in 700 is no where near what the median would be with TGP traffic. The real median might be way higher. even 1 in 1200, 1 in 4000. I never been a fan of TGP traffic for the bad ratio reasons alone. Not to mantion with TGP traffic the traffic is very ravanous requiring a constant influx of content. Do not give the house away. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Go for it Chio All tours need tweaking. Rumor is your pretty experienced in this as well __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|