This question relates to a lot that is going on right now -- so it is a timely answer to seek. The nearly-imponderable question phrased above suggests the following subsidiary questions, which may prove more approachable:

s -- What is our role as Marketers of a product the demand for which awakens in every human being -- like clockwork -- in early life, and persists till death thereafter -- ?

b -- Is there a model somewhere for the optimal co-integration and balance of the Sex we have with other People and the Sexual Gratification we enjoy by ourselves, within the Sexuality of an Individual -- ? -- if so, what is it -- ?

n -- At a point in the life of every adolescent, his or her psychological orientation breaks away from the Parent Objects -- descends into a Tunnel of Private Passage for several years -- and emerges out the other side, determinedly fixed on lovers and spouses. The role of parents in shaping the Sexual Individuality of their children is undisputed, and it is an accepted truth in virtually all cultures of the world that the damage done to a child by a sexually transgressive parent is profound, irreparable, and disabling. Yet, why is there so little scrutiny and understanding (by the average parent) of the actual mechanics via which parents create their children sexually -- ? -- why is there so little effort given to, so little ability for, so much paralysis in the face of so important and vulnerable a phase in the development of a young human being -- ? A failure of parenting at this time could completely nullify the parenting investment made in the child to that point. Arguably, EVERYTHING for the child is in jeopardy -- but why do our parents always avert their eyes when we begin to sexualize -- ? ? at the very same moment we first seek a deeper, more alone place in ourselves (a place never before discovered or visited) -- ? -- Is this as it should be -- ? -- is this in our nature as Humans -- ? ?or, is it something we have learned in culture -- ?

It is not unique in the business world for a company or an industry to have to offer its customers a message with which to battle-back the guilt they might feel after consuming what they were sold. Generally, these messages reinforce the impulse inside all of us that occasionally shouts: YOU DESERVE THIS TREAT. We are human beings ? essentially beings of pain ? and it is inescapable, it is a part of pain?s own process that we REQUIRE a jolt of hedonistic ?well-deserved? [fill in your own blank], if only just so that we can get up again the next morning and Survive the Day all over again.

Sex is the one item I think we all have on our list ? whatever flavor of Sex you prefer. If a person were caught rubbing expensive Amazonian Green Tree Frogs against their genitals, their shame before society would at least be plausible, if never correct. But instead, why do we all deny each other the enormous friendliness that it would be to say ?Hey, you ? Hey YOU, I see you lusting there ? and that?s okay. For I lust, too -- !? -- ??

That would at least allow adults to be present in each other?s company ? for none could gaze with condemnation at another, then.

What to do about the children is, I think, the most important consideration in anything we do, decide or undertake.

Let me simplify a picture for you, just to be crystal clear:

We know that Sex enters the mind and spirit of Human Beings before they reach the age of 18.

When know that during this pre-sexual phase Human Beings ?flirt? with Sex in ever-bolder explorations, until they are sufficiently overcome by desire to embark upon their Sexually Active lives.

We know, both for remembering our own experiences and because the list of possibilities is very short, that exposure to pornography is common, very common, perhaps nearly universal among pre-sexual Human Beings.

Those are the Givens, and now the Proof:

Decide right now whether you think the break in closeness that occurs between Child and Parents at the sunset of Adolescence is natural or whether it is an artifice, a subjectivity of this time and this place. I think natural, 100%. I think nature knew to trigger that separation, so as to allow the child go off and build independent experience. At the same time, this provides for the parent a manner of relief from the building tensions and the conflicts of will.

If you acknowledge it is nature?s wisdom that must make a child ?go off somewhere? to become an Adult, then that would explain the enormous discomfort that precludes communication and empathy during that phase ? we could offer the answer ?Natural Necessity? to the question ?Why do parents and their children estrange at such an important moment for the child?? ? Because they must.

And, if they must estrange, and if they must estrange to ?flirt? with Sex, what kind of flirtations would we (as parents) wish for them to have -- ?

ANSWER THAT -- ? ? AND THEN ASSESS THE SOCIAL VALUE OF OUR SMUT.

The truth is the First Amendment, while a lifeline for a long-time and a precious link to a higher level of ideology than usually arises in the daily doing of our work, is growing t h i n as a defense. The fact that all it is is a DEFENSE is part of the problem. Every time we are judicially challenged and First Amendment saves our butts, I feel like I'm watching one of those movies where like Denzel Washington is the Father of the girl who's rapist just got off -- on a TECHNICALITY. It feels absent-Justice to many who look on.

Technicalities are the most fragile areas of the Law -- they are, you might say, the proverbial thread from which we hang. At the end of the trial the opposing counsel meet eyes, and they know -- THEY KNOW -- it could very possibly be a different outcome the next time they mEet.

I am begging all of you -- OUR ARGUMENT HAS GOT TO GET MORE COMPLEX THAN IT IS. WE HAVE GOT TO SEEK OUT OR CREATE THE STORIES ABOUT OUR INDUSTRY THAT WILL PROVIDE FOR SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN OUR INDUSTRY, A SENSE OF JUSTICE WHEN WE WIN -- :)



2HP

Very intresting read..thanks for the tips :thumbsup

:pimp

! -- MORE (WTF) -- !

Even if, for whatever reasons, the logic of my argument and the urgency of my conclusion has left you untouched -- consider, then -- not just the future of Adult, but the future of our race -- oh, yes -- !

It's kind of getting absorbed now as a truism that we'll never be the same for the Fundamentally Transformative Advent of the Web -- I know it, and I may read a provocative sentence in Wired every now and then, or hear one from the lips of a very young and very Net-Savvy person I have met -- but I don't really feel y'all are AWARE WHAT IS HAPPENING -- I know my brother Halcyon and Lovely tASSy know -- :winkwink: -- in a short while (a real short while) AIN'T NUTHIN gonna be like it was when Blue Oyster Cult was on FM -- Nothing -- ! -- And what is the direction of this change -- ? -- you may ask -- ? Oh, you know...


Right here, right now, I would say we are are -- and I shit you not -- at one of the most important crossroads our species has yet reached. The Internet is the equivalent of a Mutation in Technology -- it arose from a linear sequence of technological evolution (and yes, I do consider Moore's Law linear by comparison to what has occurred with the Web). The lightning struck, the magic happened -- call it whatever you want, but Homo Sapiens and the Web have only JUST BEGUN their association -- and I'm not saying we're all going to be in Tron, basically, in the next few years -- that's an example of how Sci-Fi actually does reveal the future, but via metaphor -- just like all literature -- for some reason people always take Sci-Fi to literaly -- lol -- what I'm saying is this: more time online, more immersive experiences, more meat-scape social activity diverted e-ward, and a lot more dissolution of the boundaries and definitions that today are still sufficiently solid to make us take any special notice of Chio (much love--:thumbsup).

It's a mass migration -- some fast, some slow, but we're all going -- and SEX is coming with us in some form or other. So, if the current plight of the Adult Biz doesn't especially trouble your sleep, then fight for the future of Human Sexuality -- it's moving online -- MUCH OF IT. How stupid, how wasteful, how -- sadly -- typical , that we should stand ready to have the wildest adventure yet, in a territory so vast, we cannot even touch its edges with t h e o r y . . .

...yet here we are poking into the void with the canes and flashlights our grandmothers used to go down into the basment.

WE ARE, IN THIS INDUSTRY, IN THE UNIQE POSITION OF BEING BOTH THE IDEOLOGICAL STEWARDS AND DEFENDERS OF SEX (VIA LONG-USEFUL AMENDMENT #1), AND, AND THE PEOPLE IN WHOSE HANDS RESTS THE VERY CREATION OF SEXUAL EXPERIENCE ONLINE -- SOUNDS LIKE A HUGE FUCKING DEAL TO ME -- :2 cents:





2HP

Haha... maybe too intelligent for some? Thanks Goodgirl!

Methinks thou dost protest too much :winkwink:

When a person uses fantastical imagery with as much conviction as I do, people get confused -- it's happened before -- :)


2HP

Email sent. :glugglug

Welcome everyone :)

good morning -- gg -- i'm sure you've got lots of people in the industry, who've read your posts wondering -- what TRULY EXOTIC SEO methods must represent the state of your art in mid-2005. We're all wondering -- I'm sure, at least what NEW directions is SEO Science taking -- since, it seems to the comparative layman, that you have dropped a HELLUVA lot of value here for FREE -- what gives -- ? -- Tell us what you can about the Voodoo SEO we won't read anything about for months -- :)


2HP

Great read!

danke schon -- aber vollständig -- !


2HP

No. 'Cause you'll pull my hair. I'm a good girl. :P

The teentropic.com forum is down because i needed the mysql db in an emergency situation, i will be setting the forum up at impoverishednoobs.com today or tomorrow. The database is saved so you won't need to register again and all the posts are still intact. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Hey, you said "no secrets."

LOL -- you can't blame a guy for trying -- there was a "groggy" quality in her post that suggested she might let a few pearls drop, if asked just right -- :1orglaugh -- and, hey, better me than a competitor -- :winkwink: -- no -- ?

And speaking of competitors, I'll bet there's a whole LOTTA people would pay big money to be in a room with gg, a bottle of sodium pentathol, a creaky chair and a swinging bare bulb -- !

Okay -- what the hell is it with me, SEO and the Black Arts -- ? -- on the first page of this thread, I made a reference to "Satanic SEO Masses" -- which got Halcyon & Tala all worked up, and now it's Voodoo -- hmmmm -- it must be that so much of what the best SEO's in the Biz -- like goodgirl -- do... RESEMBLES MAGIC.


Hey, baddog, don't you guys offer customers of GotWebHost like a free seance or something with goodgirl -- ? -- how's that work -- ?



2HP

Well, as I mentioned above, if you had any idea what was going on in the back scenes while her extremely well written, easy to follow tutorial was being written, it would seriously blow you away. Groggy would be putting it mildly. :)



Hence my protective nature with her.



It may look like magic, but in reality it is really just hard work and dedication. Most people would be happy to be #10 out of 48 million, she isn't.


Indeed we do. Anyone purchasing one of our SEO hosting packages is eligible for a free SEO consultation, courtesy of the lovely and intelligent, goodgirl.

Those purchasing a dedicated plan will receive one free hour a month for the life of your contract. Those purchasing a virtual plan will receive a one-time, one hour consultation.

These consultations include discussing SEO problems you need solutions for, link building strategy recommendations, content optimization recommendations, site structure recommendations. While it does not include the actual link building or content optimization, we will suggest and recommend what you can do to improve your search engine optimization, or help you overcome a problem you have or may not know you have.

When you take into consideration the fact that these consultations usually go for $300/hour, it is almost like we are giving the hosting away.

Ay, I sent an email to this address and never got a response. Is it the correct email address?

[email protected]

The Teach is a busy Swan, gliding with grace across the open pond, skimming the ripples of text and images.

Im sure he'll get back to you.

:thumbsup

The e-mail is correct, you have mail and post #300 -- FA -- !

2HP

300......

this can't be over yet

2PH

Thursday, June 30, 2005

I'm very pleased to announce that this evening there will be a Special Guest Discussion:


2HP

Aaron has mad skillz... :thumbsup

this should be interesting

Cool, Ive actually contemplated learning the ropes of photography ... do some work and get some exclusive content...

just a thought.. anyway im game and ready with ears, eyes and mind open

http://forum.impoverishednoobs.com/ - is now up and running so go ahead and register if you haven't already. If you registered at the teentropic.com forum you won't need to now.

AND, he has a big............................















Camera!

AWESOME!! Looking forward to this one, too! :thumbsup

Should be interesting. Can't wait!

Great discussion
I am enthralled

I dropped you a line yesterday, but I'm just postin' to make sure you got the message (from enoch[]erlnetworks.com)

thanx :)

2HP

hmmmm......Now that I am done with work for the day.....I have to write something up.

Back after a bit....... :glugglug

?PORN? That evil word grabs the attention of anybody and everybody who ever hears it outside of our little circle. Most like it but few will publicly admit it, especially in mixed crowds. Most have paid for it at one time or another which creates a supply and demand issue that they then seem to somehow overlook while they are busy passing judgment on those of us who are in this industry. If you think there is a single male in the Bush administration who has never purchased ?porn? in one form or another then you are sadly mistaken.

The days of making easy money in online porn are far gone now. The media has pushed us into the spotlight and in many ways they have even made porn more acceptable. In doing so, they have helped to flood the market more then ever and have made it a bit easier to find willing models as well.


2HousePlague gave me a few suggestions to write about. One of them was Model Recruiting. Since I recently wrote about this on www.kblogger.com I will refrain from doing so again. What I will do is suggest that you check it out.

I will also follow it up by saying that many people thought I was full of shit about recruiting total amateurs in public places. If you attended the San Diego show a few weeks back then you might recognize this girl since she was one of the hotel staff.

http://ampcontent.com/Pikz/SDTestShoot.jpg


Many people tried to get her to work with them but only one actually has the chance?.Although I?ve been way too busy to follow up with her lately. :( She has a good amateur look and is a real sweetheart too. I can?t wait to get back to Diego and work with her.

Moving on??

Producing ?porn? for a living is not as easy as most people think. All the time people tell me that I must have the best job in the world. Oh yeah? Try dealing with models, suitcase pimps, and picky clients. Spend a day shooting then another day or two editing and prepping the content. Then come back and tell me how easy I have it. Don?t even get me started on the marketing aspects of this business. I know 2 very kick ass shooters who post on GFY from time to time and both of them are the typical ?starving artist? simply because neither of them know how to market what they shoot. They have OK ideas but none that will ever appeal to the masses and they don?t even know how to implement their ideas themselves yet they don?t see the value in properly paying somebody else to help them sell it. It?s pretty sad really.



Getting models to do more freaky shit is pretty easy. I learned a long time ago that it?s not what you say but how you say it. If a girl comes in and wants to shoot regular nudes but your needs include masturbation or more, you have to overcome these obstacles.

The first thing I do is tell them what I need. The harsh truth of the matter is that I really don?t give a fuck what the model wants to do, I care about my needs and the needs of my clients. If the model is not comfortable filling those needs then I have no use for her. There is always another model standing in line who will do the work the way I want. The bottom line on this is that if you give anybody the choice of jobs, they will always take the easier job. If these girls could make as much money and not get naked then they would. Forget the bullshit and just cut to the chase. "This is what I need you to do and this is how much it pays. Are you interested?"

Some photographers view this differently than I. I prescreen every phone call I get and most of the girls are prepared to do hardcore B/G work before they even step foot into my office, even if I am not shooting hardcore at that time. These days, it?s rare for a girl to tell me no on the hardcore thing but when they do, if their description is good then I will still invite them in for an interview. By doing it this way, one of two things happens. 1: The girl who will not do hardcore feels lucky that I am willing to work with her. She takes it as a bit of a compliment and is more receptive to my other requests. 2: Most are now prepared to fuck on camera and when they end up doing softcore, they are more relaxed because it?s not pushing their limits as much as they were expecting. Plus, if I do have a hardcore shoot to do?.I now have most of my models who are willing to do it and prepared for me to request it.

I could go on for days about various parts of this business.....But these are a couple of basics for you to consider. If you have any specific questions then I will be more than happy to answer them. :pimp

White Cheech knows star material when he sees it :pimp :pimp

Thank you very, very much, Aaron.

You and I have never really spoken or gotten to know each other, though I have looked forward to the opportunity for a long time. The admiration for your work I professed when we chatted on the phone a few days ago is quite sincere, and based on a quality I see in your images that I think vital to good content, yet lacking from most of what we see.

To put it simply, your models seem happy to be there -- :)

Given that quality in evidence in all your work, I'm curious about -- I guess you could call it -- your Production Philosophy. It seems you remain sharply focused on the product, and always mindful of the "needs of your clients", as you termed it. That suggests -- aloofness & control. Would you say that's true -- versus, a more flirtatious/seductive rapport during a shoot -- ?

Certainly, the world of fine art has many examples of Great Artists known for their dogged, unequivocating pursuit of a Personal Vision. Cinema, also.

In porn, though, I wasn't sure how to account for the *spark of difference* you sometimes see in a piece of work. For me, if there is any indication of boredom or distraction in the performers, it kinda kills it. I always wondered, then, whether the exceptional performances I would sometimes (but, still, too rarely) come across were the result of merely *accidents of circumstance*, or whether there are any photographers or directors working in porn who have a *method* for producing that effect with consistency.

I think the reason the Reality stuff enjoyed such explosive popularity was because the *method* of its making necessarily added elements of spontaneity and reactions and expressions in the performers that those watching could recognize as *real*.

My interest in this relates to concerns about the evolutionary direction our content may be taking. What is next -- ? Where do we go from here -- ? What responsibility, if any do we have to our customers beyond simply meeting their demands -- ? Our society offers so little in the way of Sex Instruction -- many people *learn* sex from us. No one else wants the job, who will do it with any openness and tolerance --perhaps, it IS all up to us, in which case, it behooves us to acknowledge our position.

These questions are "spoken" as if to Aaron, because he was kind enough to provide fodder for the discussion -- but ANY and ALL are invited/welcomed to contribute here.

Let me remind you all the simple Rules of the Thread -- :)

There will be another Special Guest Discussion tonight
:) -- more info on that later -- :)

2HP

K well, i have a small flame growing in me to get into the photography side and possibly video side of this industry, grows bigger everyday with the new opportunities arise, I mean c'mon....beautiful naked women, money, exclusive content....compares to waterfalls and bentleys....sorry...lemme get a tissue...

so my questions off my head are....to Aaron...

Did you get the urge and just get your self out there and do it, or did you fall into the opportunity?

How long did it take you to get known and also be known as professional?

Do you need a crew?

What kind of lighting do you need?

Ive never seen your work done this way, Dont you hate motel content, you know...lame as best western wall paper and boring furniture and shitty duck paintings on the wall HAHAHA i hate that shit, I love your class and realism thats captured in your models and your atmosphere.

I know i got more but heres a couple questions i have lingering..

Awesome info already though, Thank you :thumbsup

I think that's the best pic of Aaron ever. Truly one of my favorites. :)